Marine facing 15 years in jail after New York doesn’t accept his Conceal Carry Permit
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News, Self Defense January 3, 2012 Posted by:
Rob Richardson
Former Marine Gunner Ryan Jerome was in New York on business when he thought it would be fun to check out the Empire State Building. Before entering the building he walked up to the security check point to ask if he should check his gun.
And that’s where the trouble begins.
Although Mr. Jerome had a valid conceal carry permit in his home state of Indiana, New York refuses to recognize permits from other states. He was promptly arrested by police and spent the next two nights in jail.
If convicted Jerome faces up to fifteen years in prison, with a mandatory minimum sentence of three and a half years in prison.
His arrest highlights the confusing mess of concealed weapons laws across our country. What’s perfectly legal in your town could make you a criminal if you cross into the next one.
Take another case that recently happened in New York. An East Tennessee woman, Meredith Graves, thought she was doing the right thing when visiting the 9/11 memorial. Before entering the memorial, she walked up to a New York City Police Officer to ask where she could check her handgun. She was promptly arrested on a single felony count of illegally possessing a firearm.
Now these aren’t crack smoking felons, they’re peaceful citizens who went out of their way to do what they thought was the right thing.
From state to state and even from city to city, gun laws so widely vary that a law abiding gun owner can be imprisoned for what amounts to crossing a line on a map. The hodgepodge of laws have created an environment where gun owners are now more fearful of leaving their house with weapons, than they are of the criminals that they sought protection from.
Think about it this way; what if the inconsistency that exists with gun laws was applied to vehicles?
Can you imagine what would happen if one state refused to accept your license to drive from another state. Do you really believe that our lawmakers would sit quietly and allow people to be imprisoned for driving? I doubt it.
But when it comes to gun laws, our lawmakers seem hell bent on going after peaceful law abiding citizens. These draconian gun laws are a smack in the face to our second amendment rights and put good people in serious jeopardy of losing their freedom.
A word of warning to anyone that’s planning on traveling with a weapon. Although I believe it is our 2nd Amendment right to have and carry a weapon anywhere in this country, please be aware of the local laws while traveling.
In the case of Marine Gunner Ryan Jerome, he actually checked the law online but was given inaccurate outdated information. These laws are constantly changing, please do not take something you read online as fact. Before traveling double check with the local municipalities to verify your information.
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why doesn’t NY arrest the cops they carry guns
That’s pretty dumb…
yea i agree but so is arresting a MARINE WITH A GUN…..HOOORAAA
1. No way to initially tell that he was a Marine
2. NY state does issue CCW, and even NR CCW, but does not recip with other states.
3. I believe there is something in NYS law which allows concealed carry for NR if you enlisted, have a federal permit, or are LEO from another State, for legal purposes.
1,2&3….my point if a thug with a gun tells you to put down your weapon are you going to comply…..if the US.citizen doesn’t have the right to have in his position a fire arm then why is it legal for the officer to have one…my point the pot calling the cattle black
I’m gonna puke now.
Just ridiculous, but it is the law. Unfortunately that is something as an individual we are responsible for is to know the laws of where we are going before traveling there with a weapon. It’s tough because I think they ought to acknowledge the permit as you mentioned with a driver license, but I also believe in smaller government and states being able to pass their own laws.. so it’s a mixed bag.
Yea I agree that people really need to understand the laws especially if you already have a CCW. I also usually believe in smaller government and state rights, but when it comes to being able to carry a weapon in defense of yourself and your family I don’t think any government state or federal should have the right to tell you not to.
But until we can get a nationwide CCW passed, people really need to be aware of what the laws are when traveling with a weapon.
Doesn’t that just reinforce people to not want to tell them they are packing heat? Stoopid
In my opinion his own stupidity got him arrested. I carry concealed and whenever leaving the state you ALWAYS check the local gun laws for the place you are going as well as the ones you are passing through.
It was the stupidity of this government who spends millions of American Tax dollars to support and instill their communist agenda in this country. For those of you who are to young, or do not know the constitution, as citizens we are have God given rights which include the right to protect ourselves. This government now creates their own laws, and says screw the American people. We will do what we want. It is sickening. And our cops now days forget who is paying their salary. Most have become militant jackasses.
FYI laws are not god given….they are man given. I agree it is absurd. The different laws from state to state, city to city, and even from county or town to another. I am a proponent for a nationwide CCW. Every state, city, county, and town.
Actually, FYI, the fundamental construction of the constitution is “natural rights” which are inalienable and come from God and which government has not the power to take away – these are Security (Life), Liberty and Property – and “non-natural rights” those granted by society as part of a social contract of citizenship – to enter into contracts, to petition government, to due process, to vote, etc.
If our rights are God given (which they are), and they are exercisable in the manner of the day (which the SCOTUS has said they are), then we do need a permit to move above freely on public rights of way nor defend ourselves. In other words, if I am free to walk on a sidewalk without a permit then I am free to drive on a road without a permit. And, if I am free to defend myself with my fist without a permit then I am free to defend myself with a firearm without a permit. States, and the Fed, can regulate but they cannot infringe. So both those who say this is a States’ Rights issue AND those who call for a National CCL/CCW permit are wrong. Permits are issued for privileges, not rights. So, if we properly understand the definition of “rights” then we don’t need a permit from the state or the fed to exercise our rights to carry firearms or drive a car or protest, etc. A National CCW Permit is not the answer, it is only giving away more of our rights. We should a) follow the laws we have now, and b) work to remove all CCW and carry permits. Two states (at least) already recognize the truth of what I say and require NO permit to own or carry (open or concealed). Why not the others?
Great Point Kayser!
Kayser and Off Grid Survival,
After reading Kayser’s post I have to agree with him 100%. If the second ammendment protects our right to bear arms why do we have to APPLY and ASK permission??? I am personally disgusted by the actions of retards at the Empire State Building, they are cousins of the TSA staff. Why didn’t they just tell him to walk away quietly? Because they wanted acknowledgement from their bosses for “doing a good job” protecting Americans from a MARINE?? Give me a break. I should be so lucky to be in this MARINE’s presence. I wish HE could accompany me (and protect me) if I ever (doubt it, not interested) visit New York City again. I was born on an Air Force Base,and if my Dad was ever treated like this I would also be mad as heck. Out of my “COLD DEAD FINGERS”!! Nurse Amy: a CCW carrier and second ammendment rights supporter until I die.
I posted this on my facebook too! I want everyone to see this post on offgridsurvival.com!!! Thanks offgrid for talking about it.
http://www.facebook.com/drBonesandNurseAmyShow
Thanks Nurse Amy
Unfortunately, the right to keep and bear arms is not the same right to carry it around town. This argument has been going on in our great country since the 19th century, during our Manifest Destiny days. Town were trying to maintain the peace by limiting the use of firearms in the city limits.
Bottom line: you can own guns, you just can’t carry them around when and where you want.
OK whatever sheep, I’m sure it didn’t stipulate that anywhere. The government just feels they can get away with these little things, because they control us with fear. Our problem in this country is that we don’t stick together and demand these things be abolished. Everyone walks around with the mentality that if it doesn’t effect them, then it doesn’t concern them. If we all stuck together and would start having each others backs, hell we might actually start getting somewhere…
Uh, that’s what “bear arms…” means. To carry. Look it up.
I believe if everyone that wanted to bear arms did so, the crime rate would dropped immediately, ask yourself would you rob a store if you knew everyone else COULD be armed ?
Sorry but that’s not true either (at least in New York),You need a permit just to OWN a handgun,this is not a cc permit ,it’s just to have a handgun in your home! And believe me it’s not easy to get. I live in NY(unfortunately) I moved to Virginia and had a cc permit there but I had to return to NY to care for an elderly parent. I know what I am talking about. If you own a handgun don’t bring it to NY!
I agree totally. These people needed to check the laws, and double check, before traveling even if the laws are unconstitutional. The constitution can’t protect you if the lawmakers don’t allow it to.
Kayser, Several excellent points!!!
I have been arguing that point with the police for 30 some odd years now…And still don’t have a conclusive answer….just dam…
Your logic while sounds good is sort of ridiculous. By your logic then if we drive 1 mph we should be able to drive 100 mph.
should have said “…then we do *NOT* need a permit to move above freely…”
Last September I had to go through a metal detector while in San Francisco. I pulled out my CCW permit and showed it to the guard. He was confused…after all, San Franciso has a total of eight people with CCW permits. He wanted me to take out the bullets before I went in. I did, then put them back into the weapon right after I walked in. Not much good having a weapon in one pocket and the ammo in another.
After being convicted of a felony in New York, these people will not be allowed by the feds to own a gun.
It is your responsibility to know the laws of the state in which you travel. It is like saying you can do something at home and expect my state to let you do it here. I live in the last state to join the carry club. If I leave the Land of Cheddar I am damn sure I am aware of the carry laws of my destination. For the record, I am a Certified NRA Instructor for Pistol, Personal Protection and other disciplines.
NYS is so messed up, the gun laws here vary from county to county. Make sure you check the county you will be in also. I believe, if I’m not mistaken, NYS is one of only a handful of states that will not recognize other states pistol permits. Be careful when you visit.
Won’t ever visit NY again. Their laws are screwed up, their mayor, governor, senate can all leave this country today and make it a better country.
Here is a handy site that I use for trip planning:
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Boycott New York till the gun laws change and the Marine facing 15 years in jail is freed/ (after New York doesn’t accept his Conceal Carry Permit)
I Pledge to Never vist/buy from New York again till their gun laws change….P.S. nor will my family
I agree. NEVER, will I set foot in that state. The cop should have had his butt kicked for what he did. He is an ass as well. These men protect our country, come home and get treated like this. If they don’t trust them with guns, let the cop go to war. The pussy’s.
Moral of the story, know the law.
The moral of the story: Never step foot in New York city. The send men to war, and arrest them when they get home. Screw New York.
The law is subject to change at there whim…one can not know the law if the other side changes it contently…..
The People’s Republic of Kalifornia, New York, and Chicago are all dumps that have trashed our rights and $@%^ all over the Constitution. I don’t conduct business in any of those dumps, at least not until they get themselves under control. Eventually, they’ll all hit rock bottom as more and more businesses move out of the state and into business friendly states. Once their big government programs end because there’s no businesses or wealthy people to steal the taxes from, they’ll be practically begging for people to return. Who knows, you might even get a Sig or a Glock if you agree to move back!
a better comparison to the concealed carry permit is not a drivers license but a commercial (truckers) license. with interstate commerce what is legal in one state is not always legal in. another. these specialized permits show they you are educated and capable of properly handling something that can easily kill other humans. your rights end where others begin. if we’re going to ask for small government and protect the right of the states then we’re going to have to abide by the laws we dont agree with too. as folk love to say love it or leave it
solution …. put everyone that doesn’t want to own a fire arm in NY. an let em live in peace…and the rest of us take back our country by force…..problem solved
Amen to that
In NY City they don’t even recognize NY pistol permits. You cannot carry a pistol in NYC unless you are a police officer from NYC or port authority. They don’t even allow off duty police officers from other agencies under LEOSA to carry guns. It’s crazy
Civil Disobediance:
In states like NJ, NY, CA… upon entering a ‘no guns allowed’ zone, and NOT carrying, ask politely where to check you sidearm. After the hullaballoo, they misunderstood you, you meant if you were carrying….
Yeah that will get the little bastards going hahah
Folks this was pased in November 2011:
H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act.
The U.S. House of Representatives has passed an important self-defense measure that would enable millions of Right-to-Carry permit holders across the country to carry concealed firearms while traveling outside their home states. H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, passed by a majority bipartisan vote of 272 to 154. All amendments aimed to weaken or damage the integrity of this bill were defeated.
“NRA has made the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act a priority because it enhances the fundamental right to self-defense guaranteed to all law-abiding people,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “People are not immune from crime when they cross state lines. That is why it is vital for them to be able to defend themselves and their loved ones should the need arise.”
H.R. 822, introduced in the U.S. House by Representatives Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.), allows any person with a valid state-issued concealed firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms for lawful purposes.
This bill does not affect existing state laws. State laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within each state’s borders. H.R. 822 does not create a federal licensing system or impose federal standards on state permits; rather, it requires the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize drivers’ licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.
As of today, 49 states have laws in place that permit their citizens to carry a concealed firearm in some form. Only Illinois and the District of Columbia deny its residents the right to carry concealed firearms outside their homes or businesses for self-defense.
“We are grateful for the support of Speaker Boehner, Majority Leader Cantor, Majority Whip McCarthy, Judiciary Chairman Smith and primary sponsors Congressmen Stearns and Shuler for their steadfast support of H.R. 822. Thanks to the persistence of millions of American gun owners and NRA members, Congress has moved one step closer to improving crucial self-defense laws in this country,” concluded Cox.
Title 18 of Chapter 44 is amended to add the following:
1. No state may restrict or regulate the possession or carrying of a firearm by any person who is otherwise not disqualified from doing so by the laws of the United States until such time as Congress passes legislation authorizing states to do so.
This Is how the law of the land should be!
People forget (and states ignore) Article 4, Sec. 1 of the Constitution:
“Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.” This means:
1 – A marriage license granted in one state will be recognized in all other states.
2 – A driver’s license granted in one state will be recognized in all other states.
3 – A divorce granted in one state will be recognized in all other states.
4 – A firearms license granted in one state will be recognized in all other states.
But… who follows the constitution anyways. To the left, it is an obsolete document that is to be used only when it benfits them. Indeed, the current president ignores it when it goes against his agenda.
Not my president. He is a communist, America hating puppet. The sooner he goes back to Kenya, the better. He mocks the constitution, he is an arrogant prick who thinks he is something special. He is the worst president we have ever had. He has destroyed more rights, freedoms, and the economy of this nation more than all presidents combined. I hope people research the truth and rid ourselves of this destructive man.
If i am on the Jury this marine would be found innocent .. He should appeal all the way to the supreme court if need be. clog the court systems with these frivolous gun laws. We have a right to defend ourselves in this country .
This is just another example of people being divided. Most of you are not able to view the larger picture, and how our “rights” come into play.
We have a Constitutional RIGHT to carry a weapon, and therefore we should not need any type of permit whatsoever. Why should one need a permit to exercise a Constitutional right? Does that make any sense?
Permits are issued at ALLOW you to do something that you normally cannot do. You are always allowed your rights, therefore logic says that these types of laws are WRONG. Not only wrong, but blatantly stupid. And it is people like you, who are giving up their rights daily, because of your own stupidity and lack of understanding.
JiggyPotamus, are you a complete idiot?
I ask this because you (among others that have posted here) act as though runing a background check before issuing a permit is a bad thing. I liek teh fact that the only people allowed to carry concealed or legally own firearms have submitted to this process of proving that we are law abiding citizens, it’s people that refuse to go through this process that I worry about. I know I passed all the tests and I also know that I am fully trained in the use of my firearm, I can not say that of everyone out there carrying firearms. At least with the permit we know that the individual in possesion of such a document has been cleared of any criminal acts in their past and is not a threat to my safety.
That’s some bull! That’s why i will never live in that fuk up state. It have some of the craziest people in the world, and you can have a handgun. I will never move out of the south.
Doesn’t mean anything, allthis talk about how he got wronged or how jacked up the laws are unless we do something about it. Write a letter to your local congressman, protest outside a courthouse.
People if we don’t wake up, we will have NO rights at all.Obama has already proven that he doesn’t give a damn about our amendments.or our american way of life.Everyone in Washington DC needs to be voted out of office, they have stolen from the americam people far too long. Its time to take our country back.
Well you can bet your sweet bottom i will never step foot in NY or spend a dime in that state
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I would add CA and IL to that list.
You Americans are crazy, I dont know a SINGLE person who owns a pistol, I am Canadian, and we have the same ammount of gun owners per capita as you guys… and just so ya know our murder rate by a fire arm is WAYYY lower per capita.
and for your protection argument, learn to fight with your fists guns are for pansies
Ktron…i know several Canadians that have hand guns…many more have rifles …shotguns…
i also am Canadian.
i respect the U.S. right to bear arms.
The way I read it…as JiggyPotamus says:
“We have a Constitutional RIGHT to carry a weapon, and therefore we should not need any type of permit whatsoever. Why should one need a permit to exercise a Constitutional right?”
It is their Constitutional right to bear arms.
period, I say.
S e.baker Says:
“Title 18 of Chapter 44 is amended to add the following:
1. No state may restrict or regulate the possession or carrying of a firearm by any person who is otherwise not disqualified from doing so by the laws of the United States until such time as Congress passes legislation authorizing states to do so.”
It MUST be the same in every State. Period.
I support all Americans in their fight to protect their Constitution!
It seems to me that the Land Of The Free…is in trouble.
Americans are slowly losing their rights.
The U.S. Constitution is the most incredible document in the World.
It truly deserves respect…and may Free men and women always fight to keep Her safe….and free!
P.S.The comment about “Pansies” is your opinion …Mate…it is real easy to put down anyone …here “online’…
and i do respect your right to free speech.
but show some respect…i say…for this extremely serious issue…and for our southern cousins.
By the way…I believe Canada should have the same right to bear arms.
I live in Florida now and have a concealed weapon permit.I am also a retired NYC Police Detective with 23 years of service.I also have a permit granted by the United States Congress ( HR 218)giving retired police officers from all over the U.S. Permission to carry a concealed weapon in any State in the U.S.
However, NYC has been fighting this Federal Law and promises to arrest “anyone”) not carrying a concealed weapon permit from NYC only.I called the NYC Police Dept legal Division a department loaded with Attorneys.I asked about HR 218 and could not get a direct yes or no from anyone.So I too risk arrest if I carry my service revolvers while in NYC.I certainly would not walk up to a NYC police officer and ask if they honor my HR 218 Permit.
Just a bunch of Politicians with control problems.
I think I’ll just stay in Florida.