Decorated Combat Veteran arrested in New York: Charged with 5 felonies for possession AR magazines

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Army Vet Nathan HaddadIn the latest attack on the American people, a decorated War Hero has been arrested and charged with five counts of third degree criminal possession of a weapon, for having empty 30 round AR-15 Magazines in his vehicle.

On Sunday January 6th Staff Sgt. Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, was driving through Jefferson County New York when he was randomly pulled over for a vehicle check. Haddad, who had five 30 round empty magazines in his possession, was arrested by the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department and charged with five felony counts.

According to Haddad’s brother, Michael Haddad, Nathan thought these magazines were legally made before the New York Assault Weapons Ban. When Nathan Haddad was arrested the new ban had not even been fully enacted yet.

This is not a criminal, this is not some thug looking to hurt people; this is a decorated combat veteran who was recently honored by the Philadelphia chapter of Blue Star Mothers and the Union League’s Armed Services Council for helping disabled vets get back on their feet. What’s happening to Army veteran Nate Haddad is an absolute attack on liberty. Here we have a man who honorably served his country, who was trusted with weaponry that far exceeded anything he was carrying, that now finds himself facing the possibility of spending years in prison.

Still think these gun control laws are meant to stop criminals?

Nathan Haddad’s brother has set up a legal defense fund for his brother who cannot afford to fight these charges on his own. We ask that you share this story with everyone you know so that this attack on Hassad is seen for what it is, an attack on every law-abiding citizen in America.

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  1. Cathy says:

    5 empty magazines and nothing to put them in? Ban not fully enacted? I hope he wins his case and sues!

    • Fred says:

      John T. Burns is the sheriff. His address is

      Jefferson County Sheriffs Office
      753 Waterman Drive
      Watertown, NY 13601

      Everybody let him know how you feel.

      • joe burrows says:

        This charge should be dropped and then sue the law enforcement.

        • Ron says:

          Disagree on suing Law Enforcement,they were only enforcing the law enacted by some numb nuts known as commissioners on the county pay and had nothing else to do. I would first sue the county then work my way up, up, up!!!!!

          • Jay says:

            Disagree with you. If the ban was not fully in effect then the officers had no business enforcing a law that was not a law. They are just as liable for making mistakes as are we. We have to pay for ours as should they

          • chris says:

            What about illeagel search. They randomly pulled him over for a vechile search!!!!! That’s a complete violation of the Constitution. Remember the 4th admendment? Anyone?

          • Mark D. says:

            Sheriff John Burns can chose not to enforce such laws. Is the ACLU going to defend this warrior-I doubt it. Watertown is right next to an Army Post where there are “real assault” combat weapons used everyday in training. We are headed down a very slippery slope. Who is going to challenge this type of law that makes criminals out of most citizens?

          • Nick says:

            I think that the sheriff should know the difference between legal, and lawful, and what his duty is to the oath of office. Norton v Shelby County, 118 US 425, the court said; “An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”

          • ex-Bronxite says:

            The cop and the sheriff had better start putting their houses in their wives’ names, otherwise this guy they arrested will be owning them when this is all over.

          • Danny says:

            Disagree… MANY County Sheriff’s have this situation right… they are saying in written and public statements that they will not uphold the laws that attack the second amendment as they will view them unconstitutional. Suing in court is a VALID action to take when attacked unconstitutionally by the law and by the Feds and other governments who enact and attempt to enforce ILLEGAL laws… that is part of the process to fight back.

          • Jim says:

            @Chris. You have no Constitutional Rights in New York. Not a good State to be living in. New City, you can be stopped and searched while walking down the street. There are cameras in place watching you, they want xray to be able to search you without you knowing it. Sounds like TSA on the streets.
            @ Others. Suing them is quite costly. And the jury will be, residents who like the “safety” provided by the government overlord.

          • Debbi Spencer says:

            He should just be released immediately with a sincere apology and, say $500 a day for every day he was held or considered under arrest. Suing
            only ends up costing us all. It wold be the county or the state being sued, and guess where they get their money…?

          • Enforcing the law says:

            The fact is this officer was making
            an arrest on a law abiding American and the magazine was completely legal at the time of arrest. All these charges will be dropped at once and I’m 100% sure a law suit is permissible against the sheriff department. If the judge decides to not follow the law then you need to contact department of justice and have the judge removed and precede with another law suit.

          • greg johnson says:

            The SS and Germans working the ovens were only following orders too. the bill of rights prohibits the fed gov from infringing on your rights and any order to do so is invalid and any LEO who tries to enforce it is no different than any other thug mugging you

        • Joshua says:

          Forget sueing them!
          WE should be dragging them from their homes and beating them in the street!

          • Neil says:

            I agree with you Joshua!

          • martinconte says:

            Search would be completely legal if items were in PLAIN VIEW!

          • bob says:

            I agree. That is why they are taking our guns.
            Something has to be done before this goes much futher.
            We are loosing our freedom fast as hell with this group in washington.
            They should be the ones draged out of their homes

          • CJ says:

            Martin,
            The fact they pulled him over to check the vehicle is unlawful. They cant see into the car while its moving. This is crap and will continue untill we do something about it. Like Wyoming putting laws into action that make it a crime for federal officers to enforce any law that goes against the 2nd amendment.

        • Ken says:

          I have been an officer for 28 years in a large dept., and I would nix the lawsuit. With this statement “was arrested by the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department and charged with five felony counts” that pretty much tells us that there is a law banning possession of 30rd mag’s in Jefferson County is. My question is why in the hell did this officer feel the need to arrest an army staff sgt., who could have many valid reason’s for those mag’s being in his vehicle. Now my suggestion for letting this officer know that even though he may feel like what he did is on the same level as taking down a drug kingpin, but what would be more punitive than a lawsuit that would never be filed. Would be to have military groups, follow this officer, and video tape his daily work performance while on patrol, which is perfectly legal to do, to see if a person your tax money is paying for is doing what he is suppose to. I am not suggesting anything illegal, just that when he takes an hour lunch, complain, when he takes a very long time on a call, you have it on tape showing he was parked somewhere reading a book, complain. When he goes into a sports store to shop, again proof of his pick and choose “sworn oath” which i’m sure he would drop on everyone upset with his arresting the Army vet.complain It may seem as if I am doing what most officers would consider being unfaithful, but over these 26 years, the quality of recruits has steadily been in decline, and for the officer who arrested this military man, if you happen to read this, you are a turd.

          • Kevin says:

            Ken,
            The law is only for 30 rd. mags made after 1994. Anything before that is grandfathered until 15 Apr 2014 when the new law takes affect.

          • Gunner says:

            Ken….I wore a badge for a long time too. In my neck of the woods we would refer to the arresting offcer in this case as a “jack wagon”. I read the news release from that department, and while the mags are illegal for that jurusdiction, it still don’t make it right to arrest a military veteran under this situation. I have been to NY a number of times, and spent vacation money there. Never again.

          • Rob says:

            Says also that the law had not been inacted yet. So he can take it for all it is worth,

        • terry prescott says:

          b.s. the cop had a choice at the time to charge or give a warning on the spot.

      • craig says:

        He should have performed a citizens arrest as well. There was no exclusion for law enforcement. I’ll bet the police officer that arrested him had more than a 7rd magazine in his gun….

        • Mike says:

          Doc you are correct! If the law isn’t on the books you as an officer can’t enforce it. This is a false arrest and detention. I was in Lawenforcement for many.many years. This officer is not folowing the law. Officers can’t adlib and just do what they want. This man has a legal leg to stand on and should bring suit in the millions for unlawfull detention and arrest. Officers are mandated to know the laws if active and follow through with protocal,this officer did not period. In the end this american hero should make an example to this department and hold his ground and fight this in every way.The next step the DA’s office will try to just drop charges and tell him ,”well we will just drop the charges”, this is when you should send the message and file a class action lawsuit no matter what, they know they are in the wrong but want you to believe your just going to be let off. In the end the fact remains you were illgaly arrested and your freedom was taken away from you on an unlawfull arrest.Do not allow them to get away with this.This arrest and detention is unlawfull period.

          • Jay says:

            I would like to bring up a point…..New York has had a magazine ban for a long time. No 30 rnd mags. Only 10. The new law is seven. I’m sure he was arrested under the old 10rd law. I’m going to go out on a limb and say these cops know what they are doing. That said I still do not agree with this situation, but to jump at law enforcement is not appropriate. That is a law. They are the enforcers. In most states it is illegal for law enrorcement to ignore a crime. Say he oeft the traffic stop with mags and later uses them to hurt someone…everyone comes down on the fficers and they lose their job and get sued. Change the law, but don’t bitch at the officers.

          • SGT Cannon says:

            For all who do not know some military education courses we fake have one item I know of unless changed since 2009 asks that we bring 5 M16 magazines from our own military installations. If I was to have gotten pulled over on my way to one of these schools and had been charged a felon I’d be suing someone for sure.

          • Alex says:

            An unconstitutional law is not a real law

          • rc says:

            hey jay, new york city has had a ban on the magazines but it is still legal to purchase 30 round magazines outside the city limits. the laws differ from city and state.

          • canadianlady says:

            If this is the case, then the guy will get off.

          • Bill says:

            I’m a retired police officer in NY state. How the arresting officer’s supervisors didn’t pick up on the fact that the law was not in effect at the time of Mr. Haddad’s arrest is inexcusable. It sounds like this rink-dink sheriff’s department is comprised of a bunch of buffoons. Even if they didn’t figure it out at the time of the arrest, they had to arraign him before a judge who should have known that the charges they filed weren’t legitimate charges. You can’t plead guilty or not guilty to charge that doesn’t exist.
            I’m certain that when Mr. Haddad finally gets a real day in court, the charges will be dismissed and he can begin his lawsuits. That said, if I were an active police officer, and I encountered a person who had no prior criminal history in possession of empty 30 round clips with the new NY so-called “safe” act in effect, I would find myself in the position of having to balance my sworn duty to uphold the constitution of the United States of America and my sworn duty to uphold the laws of the state of NY. I think I put the Second Amendment ahead of Cuomo and his fascist style of governing our state.

          • Big Dawg says:

            “officers are obligated to enforce the law”….How many CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS with gang tattos went cruising through that check point??? BS Flag thrown. It’s selective enforcement. I am retired LEO

          • Robert says:

            “…randomly pulled over for a vehicle check.” Since when are there random vehicle checks allowed? Isn’t that in violation of our 4th Amendment rights? “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

          • Moe says:

            Jay, it is morally appropriate to attack law enforcement for this. No piece of paper, no written law, ever robbed a man of his liberty. Men do that, men who choose to enforce morally unlawful statutes, codes, laws, etc. There’s a very simple guideline in this case; the policeman is allowed to have 30 round magazines in his patrol rifle (and 15 round mags in his service pistol). Therefore, any citizen should be allowed to have the same. If you’re a moral man, you wouldn’t enfore such laws whether or not you’re a cop. If a man meets a policeman’s violence with his own to defend his liberty, so be it. There’s never ANY excuse for ANY man, policeman or not, for forcing his wrongful will (or the wrongful will of the government) on another man.

          • aOd says:

            The possession of *NEW* 30 rd mags was banned in NY…you could still own PRE ban (pre 1994 AWB) 30 rd mags legally.

          • gary says:

            Any of the police officers on here know that the law in NY has been 10 rounds maximum. 30 round magazine….or high capacity magazines as the law reads, have been illegal in NY since the Clinton era. The law does exempt police officers from carrying 30 rounds only while performing their official duties. Off duty i cannot carry more than a 10 round magazine for mine. The new regulations that many are referring to, have to do with NY banning 10 round magazines starting March 01, 2013…the max one can have is 7 round magazines, with NO exemptions for police officers….the exemption will change before law goes into effect…..as a police officer, we cannot be biased in who is doing something illegal, otherwise our integrity comes into question. The police astced appropriately and will not be sued.

          • Lenny says:

            Officer’s are NOT required to enforce every law? I don’t know where you people got that idea. I am a retired LEO (former department commander) and this is not true. A police officer may exercise discretion whenever the officer thinks it is appropriate. IMO, the only exception to the discretion rule would be in the case of a forcible felony…then and only then the officer’s discretion is limited.

          • Mike says:

            NYS law prior to this new ban is that any 30 rd mag manufactured before 9/94(pre ban) is legal to possess, although you are obligated to only have 10 rounds loaded into it, until now which is 7 lol. Its still unconstitutional either way you slice it. God bless America

          • john says:

            “Random vehicle checks” are legally performed very frequently on the Army Post there called Fort Drum. More than likely, thats where they got him.

          • CJ says:

            The best part is that even when charges are dropped the felony arrest shows up on your record untill you have it sealed. That means jobs, housing, and anyone else will allways see that he had a “felony Arrest” unless he pays to get it sealed…….

        • martinconte says:

          Yea craig, that is real smart. You are a complete moron if you think that you could ever try performing a “citizens arrest” on a Police Officer. As far as the officer goes, he is EXEMPT from the law while on duty and guess what, he will soon be EXEMPT off duty as the law is being revised to exclude police Officers.

      • Doc says:

        Do not tempt me in mailing this fool and letting him know what I think of him, his laws, and his state. This is TREASON! Don’t they have more important things to do like…oh…I dunno stop the flow of drugs entering into the country through their ports, finding major drug pipelines, disbanding criminal gangs, the list goes on and on. This is stupid. I have a degree in criminal justice, and if I remember anything from criminal law class…you can’t enforce a law THAT HASN’T BEEN ENACTED! Furthermore you cannot retro-act a charge either. (For those of you that don’t understand that I’ll explain. When a law goes onto the books, there’s an inaction date, this is when the law is able to be enforced. NOTHING before this date can be enforced pertaining to the law. On the same side, if something was done BEFORE the law took effect, the police CANNOT arrest, or bring charges on the person because of the law not enacted when said action was done. So if he bought these mags BEFORE the law took effect, they cannot arrest him for having them in his possession, or on his person. I would sue the state for being a total dumbass, I’d take this sheriff’s badge, his job, his retirement, his pension, and I would bring him and the arresting officer up on charges of false arrest, false imprisonment, and whatever else I could find on these dumbasses.) There’s safeguards in place so things like this DO NOT happen. I would seriously think about a counter suit against the these people for the actions they have done. Because their behavior and actions are a direct violation of his rights, and he’s been subject to many false allegations. Fight’em, give’em hell, and don’t stop until everyone of them feel your wrath. I might have to write this asshole and tell him how bad he really is, and ask him just how in the hell do you enforce a law that hasn’t been enacted? ‘Give some people a little power and they let it run straight to their head.’ They should be reminded that just because they wear a badge, that doesn’t protect them from the laws they are sworn to uphold, they too have to abide by them, or face the trouble when they break them. Good luck!

        De Oppresso Liber,
        Doc

        • Dutchsays says:

          Our county sheriff knows he would be run out of the county on a rail if he pulled a stunt like that. In our State of Minnesota, there are more guns held by law abiding Americans than there are PEOPLE LIVING HERE, and our law enforceement officers know we are there to back them when they are outnumbered, and to outnumber them when they are in the wrong.

          • Enter your name... says:

            And that’s what the founders of our Constitution intended when they wrote the bill of rights. The right to bear arms was enacted so that the people could outgun the government when they were wrong and at the same time come to arms for their government when they were outnumbered or wrong. Any law, state or federal, making it where it is illegal to own weapons equally powerful as the military or law enforcement is in direct violation of the bill of rights and isn’t a law according to the constitution.

        • Col. Weeno says:

          We agree.

        • steve says:

          why would you start off by saying “Do not tempt me in mailing this fool and letting him know what I think of him, his laws, and his state.” how about contact him and put your money were your mouth is.

          • Tom says:

            I agree with you Steve. He felt the need to tell us he has a CJ Degree, but does not mention what he does for a living. He sound a bit bitter towards Law Enforcement in general. I am guessing he got the degree assuming he would be hired into the business. I am also betting no LE Agency will hire him ( psy test, anger issues, etc) so he is just bitter and of course knows more about the law than any cop…. Just my shot at statement analysis

          • Aaron says:

            Since he ended his post with

            “De Oppresso Liber”

            I’d assume he is in the army Special Forces, since this is their motto. And he signed off with “Doc” which is a common nickname for line medics. I’d have to say he is a 18D, Special Forces Medical Sergeant.

          • Bang Bang says:

            Aaron, you are correct. He is a retired 18D. Had countless jumps and missions as what used to be a 91B (68W now) Combat Medic and also after being assigned to Group for a couple years, went through SFAS. I personally know that man and think of him as one of my heroes as I do with majority of the rest of my Brothers in Arms. So before you run your mouth Steve, why don’t you ask nicely what he does or HAS done. Its more than 99% of America has ever done. Knowing this hardcore used to be 18D, he will write and or call this Sheriff. If there’s anything he loves to do more than his job, its standing up for vets!!!!

        • Bob says:

          It appears that the entire story and surrounding issues isn’t yet out. Better to wait and objectively assess the matter instead of getting overly upset.

        • ^^^ lying about degree says:

          hey Mr, criminal justice degree,
          it is the District Attorney that decides whether to pursue charges or not, not the sheriff’s office. Maybe they skipped that part when you got your degree.
          ugh….

          #firstworldproblems

          • ditch says:

            The DA didn’t arrest Him Jack ass and no they did’nt skip that maybe You should study the law moron.No lie about His degree.

        • pappyc5 says:

          well put!when will we realize what the gov is doing to us ? we will have no rights left if we ignore this fact .

        • Steven Tidd says:

          I like the fact everyone keeps saying ‘This or that’ is the law and we should just obey it. Once upon the time it was the “Law” that you could own another person. Should we not have opposed that “Law”? Just because something is a “law” or “legal” doesn’t make it right. This country was founded by people looking for “Rights” not “Legal”

          • Wani says:

            There are “Constitution-Free Zones”, a 100 mile-wide area that forma a perimeter around the USA, a zone in which our Constitutional rights do not apply.§ 287 (a) (3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, 66 Stat. 233, 8 U.S.C. § 1357(a)(3), which simply provides for warrant-less searches of automobiles and other conveyances “within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States,” as authorized by regulations to be promulgated by the Attorney General. The Attorney General’s regulation, 8 CFR § 287.1, defines “reasonable distance” as “within 100 air miles from any external boundary of the United States.” Jefferson County falls into this area.‘The 100-mile zone absolutely is not a Constitution-free zone,’ said Jason Ciliberti, a supervisory border patrol agent with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection. ‘Those 100 miles are what is said to be a reasonable distance from the boundary from the United States, and the Supreme Court has come down firmly on our side and said that what we’re doing is not unreasonable.’”

          • Jeffrey Dorfman says:

            Well Steven, you are absolutely correct about owning another person, but the law was changed at the Federal level before that law could be enforced. I agree with that law that ALL men are equal, etc. but just because you (or I) think something is right, doesn’t make it “illegal”. This country was founded by people set out to protect our “rights” by making it law. If it’s not a law, “rights” is meaningless. What the Federal Government’s legislation body needs to do is make a federal law, one way or the other, and not leave this item up to the states to decide. All states control their motor vehicle laws, except they all have to meet Federal Dept. of Transportation rules in order to receive federal funds. If they choose to let federal funds go, then they can make their own state laws that conflict with the federal law. This is not true for all laws the state comes up with. Some still must conform to federal law and follow federal rules.

        • navydoc83 says:

          HOO RAH DOC, THEY have no clue what they are doing, they are making us look like the enemy, this administration is opening the door for a foreign military to invade and US vets to take the fall as the bad guy!

        • John says:

          pre ban mags are still legal in NY until april 2014. you are only allowed to have 10 rounds in the mag until april 2013. if these mags are not date stamped then they are hard to identify as pre ban. althought i completely disagree with the ny safe act i have done my homework. if anything else i would love to see the reason of searching the vehicle these cops had!

          • Jefff says:

            Thanks john. Was looking for someone to say this. One of the nazis above wants to say the mags are illegal. Shows not all Law knows the law. There lies the problem.

      • Kyla says:

        It would be the DAs office you would call since they are the ones to decide to charge or not. The sheriffs office just made the arrest.

        • gary says:

          Kyla….The Da’s office are the ones who decide what happens to the charge, the police in NY are the ones who charge…he is charged by the police, and then prosecuted by the Da’s office, if they decide to not prosecute, then the Da’s office drops the charges…it does not mean it was an unlawful arrest

      • Bob says:

        Typical F***ING YANKEE in my opinion.
        I would have ALL military personel leave that POS state.

        • Mike says:

          Bob, NY has one of the largest military Bases in the country, FORT DRUM. Ny is a big piece of shit state though, thanks to NYC

          • ticci says:

            Hey heres a novel idea:

            Everybody in NY—and I mean EVERYBODY in the entire state of NY who disagrees w/ all this Obeyme Admin. gun bullshit….MOVE. I dont care where, MOVE. TELL them WHY YOURE MOVING. SEE how fast they cow down!

      • Roy Tyson says:

        This Country Is Becoming A Joke! Combat Veteran’s Being Arrested For No Real Reason What So Ever! What Is Wrong With You People! What Was He Going To Do With Empty Magazines Throw Them At People?

        • Christina says:

          Roy, my thoughts exactly! Still trying to figure out when it became ok to do random stops and search people without probable cause.

        • Jeffrey Dorfman says:

          No, Roy, he was not going to throw them at people. What a totally stupid thing to say. I believe we should all have (and probably do have) the right to carry any magazine capacity we want. That said, if he were going to load them up and fire on innocnt people, then, of course he would be in violation of the law. At that time, he had no such piece of equipment and had no ammo in his possession. From everything I read, carrying or transporting such a clip is illegal in that geographic area, not just owning them. As for CHRISTINA, random stops have always been legal for the protection of the community. It would be discrimination, if the stopped and searched person was the only one that it happened to, or was of the only type of person it happened to. My local police have resumed randomed traffic stops for the purpose of DUI and other legal reasons that the Judge authorized after a document depicting the reason(s) of the random stops. The police must have permission from a judge to do that. In my case here, they have it. I can not speak for the area this veteran was traveling through. It appears that every Jurisdiction may make it’s own laws and rules and can enforce them if the proper paperwork and Judge, if necessary, agrees.

      • just sayin' says:

        This Sheriff and his department are most likely going to be investigated by the NY attorney general’s office. Recently one of the Sheriff’s was found in his patrol car with an open container of alcohol and appeared to be drunk.

        http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20130130/NEWS07/701309850

        As for the gentlemen that was arrested, when it appeared in the local news, I was shocked. If he truly thought they were pre-ban mags and they in fact were made before 1994, they definitely arrested him for no reason. Until this crap law was passed, it is my understanding, you could own the large capacity pre-ban mags in NY. Not to mention – if they were part of his go bag that he is supposed to have on him at all times, I fail to see the validity of this arrest. It is such an embarrassment for the department – not like they need anything else embarrassing, especially something that is making national headlines. They have enough internal troubles to worry about.

        • Jeffrey Dorfman says:

          TO JUST SAYING: I personally believe it was incumbent upon the police officer who stopped the veteran to contact his Commanding Officer first to find out if he was, in fact, supposed to, or had permission, to have those ammo clips in his possession at that time. If he was, he should never had been arrested. If the C.O. said no, that would be a different story and the circumstances would have changed. How would an officer know when the subject had purchased the clips that held over 10 rounds in the first place? No one normally carries receipts like that with them.

      • Albert Anglo-Saxon says:

        The sheriff did not make the arrest. There are 26 deputy sheriffs and 5 sergeants in Jefferson county. Sheriff Burns is not the guy you need to attack.

        • Dennis says:

          Random traffic stop, where were the mags? in the glove box, trunk? They would need a warrant to open the trunk or open a bag etc. Or where they laying on the seat? Do they think they are the TSA?

      • Jo B says:

        Is his last name Haddad or Hassad? In the beginning of the article it is Haddad and the last paragraph it is Hassad? The aresst was wrong but why different names????

      • James V Courtney says:

        He needs to be released immediately, How is any citizen suppose to know what laws are to follow. He didnt sign anything saying that the law does not allow you to have 30 round clips. I think goverment and city should mail every citizen new laws that are passed on a yearly basis.

      • Fred T says:

        Facts:

        1. Mr. Hassad was not currently engaged in active military service, respectively.

        2. Mr. Hassad was not on a military installation at the time of the arrest.

        3. Mr. Hassad was in possession of Five: 30 (Thirty, Three Zero, 10+20) round magazines, which were outlawed in 1994.

        4. The magazines were marked “Restricted LE/GOVT Use Only” which proves they were issued after 1994 (post ban and illegal since 1994 in NYS) and they also had date of manufacturing proving they were made after 1994.

        5. The new S.A.F.E. law Cuomo jammed down the peoples throats does not take effect regarding 7, SEVEN round magazine capacities until April 2013.

        6. A police officer in NYS has Zero, Zip, Nada, 000, discretion in making FELONY arrests, an arrest HAS TO be made when a FELONY crime is observed regardless of his beliefs about gun laws.

        7. Mr. Hassad was not randomly stopped, NOR at a roadblock, checkpoint etc. He was seen PARKED on the side of a back road, during the night time.

        8. Mr. Hassad was determined to be waiting for a guy to meet him on this back road to sell him the illegal magazines. Why didn’t they meet at a gun store?

        Speculations:

        1. Mr. Hassad is attempting to raise money and profit from his crime and utilize the anger over Cuomo’s new laws and exploit Hassad’s former military career by gaining support from military servicemen and women.

      • Ken says:

        This would be an excellent test case for the courts. Hopefully the Supreme Court would put a stop to this nonsense once and for all. I’m sure that if he set up a fundraising website to hire an attorney he would get plenty of money.

    • Fred says:

      315)785-3075
      This is their county’s government main office px#.

    • brett says:

      What a crock of Shit!Empty magazines??Tax dollars hard at work again no doubt,good grief!How Stupid!

      • Amber says:

        I agree Brett, even if they were fully-loaded magazines, hes a combat veteran. He fought for all of us and who knows if it weren’t for him the world we live in may have been worse than it is now. Come on Law enforcers REALLY????

        • protectthechildrentoo says:

          are you kidding me. So every person who has been in the military can do what ever they want because there is NO WAY that they would ever plan to do harm to innocent people. Not sure if you have heard of Fort Hood military base shooting? Just because you were in the military, once you are out, you should have no need for an assult weapon. You are not in the war when you are retired. get a clue you people and protect our children from these assult weapons that every tom dick and harry can buy-and for no good reasons.

          • Enter your name... says:

            you are one of the cry babies that dont have a clue,if you want to keep children safe how educating yourself before you open you pie hole,16 years in the Armed Forces and 4 combat deployments make me more of an expert then damn near any cop,including being a personal security detail for one of the highest ranking members of the State Department in Iraq,what the hell do you know about keeping people safe ?

          • Philip george says:

            Too protectthechildrentooo……..what do you mean “we are not at war”? Remember the twin towers? That event brought a war to U.S.soil and in my opinion gave every American citizen the right to have whatever weapon he feels is capable of keeping him safe.

          • JD says:

            To protecthechildrentoo – it’s people like you who are a danger to our children. Your ignorance makes you very dangerous. Let’s see – the police have assault weapons and the criminals have assault weapons. The only balance here is for citizens to have them also. Otherwise we become victims – sitting ducks. We cannot defend ourselves, therefore, not our children.

            Get a gun and get properly trained on how to use it.

            I pray to God that the citizens of this country wake up and realize that the government is systematically taking control over us.

            People like you with your ignorance are helping them.

            God Bless us all.

          • mama says:

            to protectthechildrento he is a combat veteran and you should not disrespect him because in doing so you are disrespecting all veterans which so happens includes my father! my brothers and sisters and I grew up around all kinds of rifles handguns etc we learned how to us them and respect them. now I am teaching my children the same that is how I am protecting my children

        • Albert Anglo-Saxon says:

          No American is above the law. Whether combat veteran or civilian plumber, we all have the right to bear arms. This is not an argument that he is wrong to have the empty magazines in his possession but that his military background is no justification. Being American is the only justification we need to express our constitutional rights!

    • OTL says:

      Residents are now restricted to purchasing ammunition magazines that carry seven bullets, rather than 10.

      Law signed in 1999 restricting Magazines to 10 rounds.

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/15/us/new-york-gun-bill/index.html

    • twan says:

      only 5…he was missing 2, for the basic combat load out…just saying.

      • SGT Browning says:

        My exact thoughts. I bet they were part of his kit… This whole thing is ridiculous.

        • pappyc5 says:

          they were voted in and we can vote them out ! next thing they enact puting us to the wall and shoot us ! a sad state of affairs ! did i spend 37 yrs in the mil for this to happen?

          • Jim says:

            Unfortunately it is almost impossible to vote any of the liberals out since they have enough paid voters on welfare and other government programs or government contracts. Those folks are afraid they will loose if they dont reelect those that gave it to them.

      • gpix says:

        Ummm…missing three for basic load out. 8 mags, 30 rds each for the M4. I know many military members who’ve been pulled over and searched with full kit and let off because it’s military issue.

        • SGT Low says:

          A full combat load is 210 rounds…7 mags. The 8th is extra for the weapon.

    • Robert Beecher says:

      Sounds like a 4th Amendment violation. Cop’s have to have probable cause to pull a person over and a warrant to search (unless permission given)I hope he finds an attorney willing to push back.

      • Brutal Chief says:

        While you are correct in theory, that the 4th and the 5th allow a citizen protection against wholly “random” or discretionary searches, random vehicle searches are often conducted by warrant or authorized by statute. Lots and lots of states, counties, and even municipalities have such ordnances, and it has been heard by SCOTUS on a number of accounts and never been deemed unconstitutional.

        That said, I think it’s just as likely that he consented to the search, as 1) the vast majority of searches are conducted based on consent (very few people understand that you must invoke your rights against search, and nothing prevents you from voluntarily waiving that right), and 2) if he didn’t think the mags were illegal, he would probably openly consent.

        • gunnerdogg says:

          Brutal Chief

          “random vehicle searches are often conducted by warrant or authorized by statute”.

          Where did that come from. I’ve never heard of that. I always thought that you needed PC, consent, a warrant or inventory. Sorry, no more incident to arrest.

    • Mickey says:

      He should raise the funds for his defence himself, just like everyone else has to if they were in the same situation.
      All of the information in this article is from one side. What’s the information from the other side of all this?
      Nobody commenting here is making informed opinions, because they are basing those opinions from one side only.
      It’s funny to see all of the hostile comments, knowing they are making themselves look idiotic in the process.
      Ok, you may now start your unimaginative, uninformed, 2nd ammendment-toting comments now! Oh, and maybe use all capital letters. That will indicate to everyone that you are right, and your comments are more important than anyone elses.

      • vette says:

        Fact is if he was charged before the law was enacted then the officer unlawfully arrested him if i am wrong please correct me sir

        • protectthechildrentoo says:

          wrong!
          They said that it was a law back in 99 for that high of a mag- read the others. The new law is for even lower mags restricted but 30 has been restricted a long time ago. And I agree with Mickey- seems like this story is all one sided. And it doesnt even say if he is an Active Militant? If he isnt active-he would not have a need for these in a go-bag. Do I think he should have 5 yrs in prison,no, but I dont think if you want to break a law you can go cry…I am in the military, let me go, either.
          I like how they jump all over the arresting officer when you have no clue what the guy was doing to get searched. How do we know he wasnt being a prick and all cocky to the officer. Again, there is no other side of the story. He doesnt even say what he was doing or why he ‘needed’ to have them in his vehicle. He just thought they were made before the law passed , so he knew there was a law but still chose to break it.
          And get real people. If it wasnt a law that was clearly already in place and he broke it, the case with any lawyer would never of even gone this far. He clearly broke a long standing law and he knows it.

      • Albert Anglo-Saxon says:

        You are right. People forget that individuals join the military for economic gain rather than patriotism. He got in to trouble so he needs to get out of it on his own. Individuals are wrongly charged daily. I was such a case and it took over two years to get the BS charge dismissed. No one made a fund for me nor did I ask for such assistance. He took risks with such paraphernalia such as I did by being in a wrong crowd (e.g., party) which got us both in trouble regardless of how harmless we are as people and what we were doing at the time.

      • ticci says:

        I find it hilarious how all these Obayme Administration “drones” down talk every Pro-2A American, because Obama after all is far more intelligent than any of us. Even the Framers of the Constitution….dream on….

    • Art Ahrens says:

      We in New York State have lived under a No Magazine greater than 10 Round Ban since sept. 1994. I’m sure he has been arrested under this Law not the one that was just written, passed and that goes into effect April 15, 2013. If you have ANY (Rifle, Pistol doesn’t matter) Magazines over 10 rounds that are not dated prior to Sept. 1994 you can be arrested for them. Starting April 15, 2014 the ONLY Magazines you can have on you or in your home will be either 7 or 10 round, if it’s a large body maginze it has to be “not easely converted” back to the original (20, 30..etc) holding capacity. If he needs Defense help he should apply at his arraignment for a Public Defender, thats what they are for, someone who can’t pay for his Defense.

    • SGT Feller says:

      He doesn’t need a legal defense fund. He needs to contact JAG. Every active duty military base has one, along with every state headquarters.

      • Jeffrey Dorfman says:

        Who said he was active duty? No one.

    • kettle black says:

      there was already a ban on 30 round magazines prior to the new law signed 2 weeks ago. only pre-1994 30 round magazines were legal during that time. were these magazines pre-1994? the man broke the law. what’s the problem with him being punished for it?

    • bill says:

      so my question is was he high on meth? was he drunk? why would police pull him over and do an illeagle search and siezure? you have to have probable cause to perform a search or get a search warrent. based on just being pulled over randomly i have to call bullshit on this storey.

      • Albert Anglo-Saxon says:

        They stopped him cause they can. Unfortunately, this is common of law enforcement. Only thing different is those who are stopped are usually profiled and include poor Anglo’s, African-Americans and Hispanics. So they usually cant afford to fight the charges and take a plea bargain or are convicted of a crime from a stop that itself was illegal. That is police corruption for you and it is the norm. We must police the police. Put cameras in your car, your house, everywhere to protect you from the people whose job it to ‘protect’. When you see a peace officer do you feel safe or scared? Well there you go. I rather have MPs on every block than these opportunistic, power hungry cops who are thugs in uniform.

      • Bruce says:

        Law enforcement in northern NY is not interested in anyone’s 4th Amendment rights. There are roadblocks set daily. The Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) and the NY State Police man them jointly. They claim that the Patriot Act gives them the power to deny those rights to us. Normally these inspections are brief-they usually wave me through. There must have been some reason to search his vehicle, but this article doesn’t mention it. The new gun laws are not popular in northern NY.

    • Travis says:

      I use to work as a police officer there 4 years ago. Everyone knows there’s a base there and I have no idea how many times I have seen 30rd. magazines and ammo in vehicles. As long as there isn’t a loaded gun its fine and most officers have no problem. Simply tell them, if it is their personal magazine, not to have it and go on with your business.

      Most of the time these 30rd. mags were located on the soldiers gear. The Army (at least my old unit) issued 30rd. magazines and we were held accountable for them, so there could be a reasonable explanation for it.

      I will say this about the Watertown, Carthage, even the DA police/security there. Those who never served in the Military do not understand what it takes and tend to be dicks to these soldiers.

    • Reyna says:

      When its time for my ownership of my weapons to be a crime is the day I become a outlaw……USMC.

    • Travi says:

      I use to work as a police officer there 4 years ago. Everyone knows there’s a base there and I have no idea how many times I have seen 30rd. magazines and ammo in vehicles. As long as there isn’t a loaded gun its fine and most officers have no problem. Simply tell them, if it is their personal magazine, not to have it and go on with your business.
      Most of the time these 30rd. mags were located on the soldiers gear. The Army (at least my old unit) issued 30rd. magazines and we were held accountable for them, so there could be a reasonable explanation for it.
      I will say this about the Watertown, Carthage, even the DA police/security there. Those who never served in the Military do not understand what it takes and tend to be dicks to these soldiers.

      • I could not agree with you 100%. I was a soldier there for 4 years, and have seen and experience some crazy sh!t from the LEOs there

    • John Franceskino says:

      Ny old law was 10 round mags except buffalo rochester and albany limit you to 5 round mags.

    • James says:

      This is the kinda shit that starts a revolution.

    • richard r densmore says:

      I have been a sworn fulltime police officer for over 30 years and I have preached discretion every year. Apparently discretion is not a main topic in police training any more. Neither is common sense.

    • Jim B says:

      This entire law is unconstitutional both State and Federally. The law was Improperly passed, The Gov. Cuomo kept all of the citizens out of the process which is against NY STATE LAW. ALl these guns and clips were bought legally and are in fact OUR property, yet another Constitutional issue; the Right to our property.ALL of the people in NY need to rise up in peaceful and strong situations to let NY State know we are not complying.These new laws serve no other purpose than to make criminals out of law abiding citizens.

    • Jai says:

      Heck I’m a LEO and hope he sues to make a bank!!! Common sense in NY is GONE!!!

    • Enter your name... says:

      Seems to anyone with half a brain, the sheriff violated 4th amendment which protects AMERICANS from illegal search and seizures from the government.

    • artie o. says:

      This has got to stop!

    • Joy Shivers says:

      Maybe this will be helpful.
      Applying this principle, the Court has ruled that U.S. citizens maintain a reasonable expectation of privacy in the “curtilage” immediately surrounding their home, but not in the “open fields” and “wooded areas” extending beyond this area (Hester v. United States, 265 U.S. 57, 44S. Ct. 445, 68 L. Ed. 898 [1924]). A person may have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the automobile that he or she is driving, but not in items that are in “plain view” from outside the vehicle (Coolidge v. New Hampshire, 403 U.S. 443, 91 S. Ct. 2022, 29 L. Ed. 564 [1971]). Nor do people have reasonable expectations of privacy in personal characteristics (United States v. Dionisio, 410 U.S. 1, 93 S. Ct. 764, 35 L. Ed. 2d 67[1973]). Thus, the police may require individuals to give handwriting and voice exemplars as well as fingerprint samples, without complying with the Fourth Amendment’s warrant or reasonableness requirements.

    • Rich says:

      This is only the beginning of the halfassed law Cuomo has inflicted on the citizens of NY. Then to think about the legal ramifications on the citzens of NY. Then the cost the taxpayers of NY will incur to defend Cuomo’s knee-jerk, senseless and bullying law. Maybe, the spoiled brat will reconsider his foolish and cockey attitude and suspendthe law until a reasonable, practical law can be created.

      • ticci says:

        Rich: Your Governor will not stop knee-jerking, not even when he’s elected President. Theyre grooming his little insignificant ass right now…keyhole turdball that he is

    • SARDOG79 says:

      Wait a minute, NYC council voted to make it one of the Sanctuary Cities in America. Basically telling DHS and ICE agents to beat it, there’s no illegal aliens here. But a citizen with so called banned magazines is the crook??

    • Rich says:

      Unfortunately, prior to the recently published NY Safe Act, NYS PL section 262.02 Sub 8 made possession of high capacity ammunition magazines manufactured AFTER September 13, 1994 a class D felony. There are exemtions to this but this has been in effect for several years now. A magazine alone in a persons possession is not threatening or dangerous to others. What rationale could have been used by lawmakers to make a non threatening weapon part the legal equivalent to possessing a loaded firearm causes me concern. I became aware or this change in the law around 2008 or so. Maybe the law should exist for people who are found to be in possession of HC magazines while committing an underlying criminal act. For example, if a person is found in possession of an illegal, loaded firearm containing a HC magazine then it should apply and they’d be charge with two counts of CPW. Currently, if the individual involved in the Jefferson County incident was found in possession of 3 switchblade knives instead of 3 empty magazines, he would have been charged with 3 misdemeanors instead of the felonies he was charged with. Laws need to make sense. They are supposed to protect us, the citizenry, not to make us paranoid and assist law makers to feel like they’ve made some great accomplishment with a toothless piece of legislation.

    • jack magat says:

      Sheriff Burns should have been upholding the Constitution instead of arresting good Americans.

    • Scully says:

      I find this whole story a bit confuseing ,This law has not been fully enacted in my opinion ,not to mention the last ban like this was a joke because everyone still had pre ban mags and could buy them easily . 5 felony charges ! I would show up for court and tell the whole place they are out of order ! I would defy them to charge me with anything ! And dam sure have every media outlet in the world there filming live ! there is also a 1 yr. grace period to register said guns or get rid of them etc . this whole thing stinks and is either not true or has a lot more to it than reported here . If this guy does not walk on this whole stupid ass deal truely there is something totaly wrong with our world ! Oh and being charged with 5 feloneys ….so he went strait to jail right ? You don’t just get an apearance ticket for that …..

    • Ignorance of the law is no excuse….
      There is no reason for high capacity clips in a civilian’s hands.
      Jail him.

    • Bob says:

      Notifying the Sheriff is a waste of time notify the District Attorney.

    • Chris says:

      I’d be even more concerned about why he was “randomly” pulled over? New York seems to have an aversion to the Bill of Rights as they search people randomly in the streets in NYC already… i just don’t understand how they can justify that kind of thing.

    • Herb says:

      Check out “The Battla Of Athens, TN.”

    • walter says:

      Funny this happens often to blacks, illegal searches
      possession of fire arms even if they are legally owned in another state and nobody cared.. Now a war hero gets caught up and could end up like Plaxico Burress for similiar charges and everybody wants to fuss.. Let him do his time like everybody else who gets charged with illegal possession of firearms in NY

    • David says:

      Actually, in NY there was already a Ban on large capacity clips that had been around for years. The new law in NY changes the law from 10 bullet clips to 7. So, the law was in effect and was valid. Whether you agree with it or not, it was the law. People complain that gun control laws are stupid because criminals will ignore them. What law-biding citizens? Who gets to decide which is a valid law and which isn’t?

    • Mary says:

      What if I had empty shell casings or empty amo boxes, etc? This is just another example of the stupidity of anti-gun activists. What possible harm can empty clips do?

    • ted says:

      How bout reading in the paper next year. Decorated man goes crazy with AR 15. Kills 30 people in 20 seconds. Was stopped a year ago with 30 round AR 15 magazines on him.

  2. J Babin says:

    He needs a military lawyer!

    • FUBAR says:

      He needs his country back. When VETS become treated like common criminals, it’s time to admit this country is in distress.

      • Travis says:

        Just because he’s an accomplished veteran doesn’t mean he’s above the law. Not even the president of the united states is above the law.

        • promethious says:

          “not even the president is above the law” ….i think someone needs to remind him of that ;)

        • Joe Rocket says:

          Yeah, Travis- that’s why he breaks it all the time with unconstitutional Executive Orders, illegal appointments, and generally treasonous and traitorous behavior. Pull your head out, already.

        • firemanice says:

          Travis, this vet is NOT above the law, this is true. But this lot has NOT been enacted. HE’S BREAKING NO LAW. You can’t enforce a law that does not yet exist. And if the law is given an 11th hour repeal, what then?

          • protectthechildrentoo says:

            omg people! NY-no mag over 10rd is the law since 1994! he had 30rd mags!!! he broke the law and he knew it and now he wants people to help him pay to get out of it. Really, like it was said before, if he is an active militant (which it never states), then any military lawyer would get him off if it was in his go-bag and it is required for them to have them, which again, it doesnt state that as a fact either. To be honest, it seems like this article was put in the paper to just get people to do just what they are clearly doing here! Bash on the goverment and on the right to bear arms because it is a hot topic right now. They are doing what the media always does, gives one sided stories and tries to get ratings by people getting pissed off by it all. Way to contribute to the very thing you all say you hate-media drama :)

          • michael713 says:

            your just like these pussies what right do you have to tell a man not to have a gun. the fort hood shit happened bc a crazy Muslim.. protect our children ? the best way to do that is to either trap them in a kennel or buy a gun and let them live life.

        • PensacolaEd says:

          He needs to be David Gregory, then he can get away with it.

          • Ken D says:

            Hitler was all about protecting children to..nice name there dumb ass LIBTARD.Here’s a fact, this administration has pissed on all of our Warfighters and OUR Country.fuck ‘em I say be a real American and stand up for whats proper, fuck any law that limits our 2nd ammendmend rights…Semper Fi

        • Darrell says:

          Just a thought, but how would he think he is above a law that is not in effect?

          • Brutal Chief says:

            The above article is very misleading, the new “ban” doesn’t matter, 30 round mags have been illegal in NY for a very long time. The old “ban” illegalized magazines with a greater than 10 round capacity manufactured after September 4, 1994 under NYS Penal Law § 265.02(6). While the federal assault “ban” was in effect, all magazines with greater than 10 round capacity were stamped with a date of manufacture, and since the federal “ban” has sunset, many manufacturers still use a coded date, and agencies can readily identify the date using identification charts.

            What it comes down to, is he mistakenly possessed 5 illegal magazines in his vehicle. There is a reason we base our law system around an “ignorance of the law is no excuse” standard, people need to know the law. We are all subject to it, we are all responsible for protecting ourselves from it. No attorney will be able to get the case thrown out unless there was procedural error. He broke the law. It’s a pity that he’ll be penalized for a mistake, but veteran or not, the law is the law. There are plenty of people behind bars for 1 mistake.

          • John says:

            He was apparently arrested under the old law as the article states that he thought the mags were pre-94. My problem with this is for one, it is a technicality. What is the difference between a magazine made before 94 and one made after. Well one is legal and one is not. That is the only difference. The law in and of itself is obviously unconstitutional, which should be the main issue. However, the arresting officers lack of discretion illustrates that some officers do not strive to “protect and serve” as much as to make technically legal arrests for any reason. Surely there are better things for an officer to do with his time. Especially given the fact that the mags were empty.

        • kira says:

          to bad the president doesn’t think so , but then if his stupid ass is in there any longer our rights and laws will mean even less to a selfish dictator than they do now

        • Mark says:

          Your right he is not above the law. The law was not in effect yet though. Now the reporter in D.C that had the mag was illegal but no charges ever filed against him and he did it on public television. Is he above the law or an exception??

        • Scott says:

          Hell if he isn’t our dam president isn’t in jail now is he?
          Our government including the president should be locked
          Up for selling full automatic weapons to the Mexican cartel. That killed the boarder agent. But NO one went to jail for that they are above the law. So don’t say they aren’t. They make laws but don’t have to fallow them. This country is going to Hell and fast.

        • Kevin says:

          Travis a nation built on the rule of law is one where laws are not designed to disadvantage one person over another and where law is predictable and thereby will not be violated due to innocent action. We no longer live under the rule of law but under arbitrary action by legislatures and executive who have overstepped their bounds. Sheep like you who follow the powers that be blindly making stupid statements like the one you just made will end up as the first ones in the gas chamber when those same powers that be decide it is you who needs arbitrary punishment and the punishment chosen for you is elimination.

        • Bob says:

          OHHH I must call BULLSHIT on that statement, Travis.
          Call Obumma and ask HIM if he is above the law, or not.

        • Jim B says:

          You cant just pass a law in secret at 11:30 pm and start arresting people right away without sufficient notice and time to implement it in the very least.

        • Don't be an idiot says:

          Don’t make asinine comments like that. Everyone knows the POTUS acts and carries himself as if he is above the law. Do you really want examples of such activities?

        • J. Emerson says:

          Obama thinks he’s above the law. Look at Fast & Furious, now he’s flying around the country trying to get the states to infringe on our 2nd amendment that he has sworn an oath to protect. The 2nd amendment is the law of the land. How many people died because of fast and furious? Why is no one being held accountable? It seams to me Obama is above the law…

    • SNIPER says:

      He needed the rifle and rounds to help clean the gene pool. How much of a dumbass do you need to be to get the job that those not yet a LAW enforement officers have. I allways thaught that to be in law enforement you had to be able to think,,,guess i was wrong.

      • greg says:

        Being able to think isn’t one of the major requirements to be in law enforcement.

        • Gregyoudope says:

          Cops don’t make the laws, they take an oath to enforce them. Dip-shits like you elect the dip-shits that make these laws. Cops don’t have discretion when it comes to enforcing felonies. Keep the blame where it belongs, on the politicians and the fools who elect them.

          • DreDay says:

            Um… Cops have a TON of discretion when it comes to enforcing laws when nobody is being hurt. Cops turn a blind eye to crimes like this every day.

          • promethious says:

            they ALSO take an oath to serve and protect… to uphold the constitution.. and by arresting him, he broke that oath! point blank, he doesnt deserve to wear that badge
            a law that goes against the constitution, is not a legal law and cannot be enforced… therefore that officer chose to break the law and violate that vets rights

          • Saarebas says:

            In this case, most, if not all, the blame lies on the cop who arrested someone for a law that was not yet enacted.

          • Constitution Gal says:

            promethious – (cops) take an oath to “serve and protect…to uphold the Constitution”? While I would agree that they’re supposed to, and there are in fact many “good cops”, there are also many that are just as ignorant of the Constitution, and in fact the very laws they are supposed to be upholding. In your own comments, can you explain to me where the rights of the individual exercising his CONSITUTIONAL rights are? The 2nd Amendment protects the citizens right to bear arms — not specific but rather any and all (that would include up to the very same that the government itself owns and for the reasons of protection against tyrannical government). The Constitution restricts GOVERNMENT from infringing on those rights — READ IT! So, who was the arresting officer “protecting”? Certainly NOT the Constitutional rights of the citizen — which is after all, HIS TRUE JOB!

    • Rico M. says:

      As a retired veteran I can tell you the military lawyers will not represent him in this case as it’s a civil matter. Military will only represent you for military legal matters concerning work or disciplinary actions and such.

    • Mark Williams says:

      No, military lawyer can’t or won’t touch it. He needs the lawyers that love taking apart the wrong doers and winning.

    • Dutchsays says:

      Or an infantry company.

  3. John A. says:

    That is SOOO moronic!! Arrested for having five empty mags despite not having a rifle in the vehicle to put them in!!?? Did the idiot police think he might throw them at someone? All the best on this being thrown out of court asap, Sarge!

    • DEB says:

      Moronic and N.Y. Goverment,,same word spelled differant.

      • joe says:

        Ironic is that a “reporter” recently had the same exact magazines in his possesion on a tv show. The public made a stink and he was not charged. Talk about an elite class.

  4. wellington lemmer says:

    Another example of the devaluing of veterans. First DHS announces that combat veterans should be considered potential domestic terrorist (appox spring 2012). So this kind of activity will continue.

  5. F&CK SOETOR F&CK HIM!!! says:

    we’re going to take it back. we’re sending Soetoro back to Indomesia where his sorry CIA belongs..

    • akabar says:

      What the hell are you talking about?

      Soetero + Indomesia + CIA

      If you’re talking about the conspiracy theorist belief that our president wasn’t born in the US, then you may want to consider “Obama + Kenya” as your statement. I’m not sure where the CIA has anything to do with this, nor, I’m guessing, you mean indo*N*esia, which is not part of Africa in any way. It’s between the Philipines and Australia. You might sound a lot less like a FUCKING MORON if you read a map once in a while.

      • John Klem says:

        akabar, please suck pork bones.

      • That Guy says:

        actually, there is a long connection between Obama’s family and the CIA. it includes both Kenya and Indonesia. Want some dots to connect? Try Tom Mboya and a bank named Bishop, Baldwin, Rewald, Dillingham and Wong… good luck with the bank, all the records have been sealed on ‘national security’ grounds. Obama’s grandmother was a VP at that bank.

        If you had done some research, you might sound a lot less like a fckin moron too.

        • jay says:

          Nailed it!

  6. NWO Slayer says:

    Dox that fucking traitor sheriff.

  7. Edward J. Palumbo says:

    Has NY State lost all semblance of justice and judgment? Mere possession of 5 empty magazines by an active duty military man results in 5 felony counts? It is stupidity like this that convinced me to relocate from New York to the west coast, a decision I never regretted for an instant. Is this what Sgt. Haddad risked so much for? I doubt it.

  8. John says:

    David Gregory not even charged …

    Some pigs are more equal than others.

  9. Enter your name... says:

    Since when did it become constitutional to stop someone without probable cause?

    • akabar says:

      Patriot Act pretty much threw all our rights out the windo,

    • Eleanor says:

      The reason he can be pulled over with no probable cause is due to the “constitution-free zone.” Look here: http://www.aclu.org/constitution-free-zone-map
      (No Fourth Amendment rights for the majority of Americans.)

      • Jay says:

        Well that is something I did not know. Time to move.

        • DreDay says:

          You actually believe anything the ACLU says?

        • SNIPER says:

          Costa anywhere nice this time of year.

      • Tam says:

        There is a constitution-free zone of 100 miles, however; despite the federal law allowing certain federal agents to conduct suspicionless search and seizures within 100 miles of the border, the Supreme Court has clearly and repeatedly confirmed that the border search exception applies only at international borders and their functional equivalent (such as international airports).

        So, the sheriff was not within his rights, according to the US Supreme Court, as not only was it not at an international border, he is NOT a federal agent, merely a state officer.

        • Drumette says:

          Depends on where in Jefferson county. Watertown is about 30 minutes from the border.

    • Eleanor says:

      I have spoken to a few (6 or 8) Americans about the constitution-free zone. None of them knew about it, and what is more disturbing, none of them particularly cared once they did learn about it. “I don’t need to worry since I’ve nothing to hide,” or “It’s for our own good – protection from terrorism.” I conclude that most Americans have not read enough history to extrapolate living without the protection of the American Constitution. Heaven help them – they will have to learn by experience…

      • Dawn Star says:

        Ok now that is something I actually have not heard of! Where is the(se) constitution-free zone(‘s)? And of course that’s what its called too right haha put the word free and people just except it no thoughts about it :-\

    • Dawn Star says:

      They are potential threats because they were there and many of them saw the real truths and realize our government is more like a Mob then a government for the people by the people and we need to get out of there already! Oh ya and that (“Patriot Act”) haha how could they even call it that for Any reason other then a JOKE and so it sounds good to the truly uninformedsheep in our country. Sad people can’t see what’s going on and just get their info from government news channels :-l

      • JrFlipp/USMC says:

        I agree with what you said in your comments Dawn Star. However, there is a difference between then and than. Then denotes time within a sequence: I read your post, then I wrote a response. Than is used in comparisons: I would rather write this post than let you continue to misuse words.
        http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/thangloss.htm

    • Doc says:

      Police can randomly stop anyone they choose for any reason they choose. I know in the state of KY, just because you’re stopped does not mean that you consent to a search of your person, or vehicle. In order to accomplish this, there would have to be probable cause, or reasonable suspicion that he had, or was in possession of said items. If they weren’t in plain sight, and were say..in the trunk, and he did not give permission to the officer to search his vehicle, (this includes the trunk) or the officer didn’t have a warrant specifically stating that they were searching for ’30 round or military style assault weapon magazines’ then he cannot be arrested. If said items were found upon a ‘lawful search’ or if he gave the officer permission to search then they can be use as evidence against him.

      My guess is that when he was pulled over, for whatever reason (I don’t buy the random bullshit) when asked if they could search the vehicle, he consented thinking that he’d be ok, or forgot about them being in there. Either way I don’t think this will stand in court, and if it does, I’m pretty sure it can appealed and overturned. There’s just too much that doesn’t sound like SOP going on here. Just POV.

      • YippIDidIt says:

        You dont get it you have no rights they have been removed and most these assholes are thugs controled like puppets…

      • DEB says:

        Doc I can not believe that you have never been pulled over at a traffic stop,,i allways see them set up here in Alabama they check for DUI,insurance,registration,etc.

  10. Drutch says:

    This is a direct violation of the second amendment. The people of Jefferson county need to arm themselves and mount and march into the sheriff’s office and eject his ass from office. If the sheriff and his deputies resist then the people must do what is necessary to remove by force.

    • john says:

      Also a violation of the 4th

      • Walt says:

        Yes, 4th Amendment prevents search and seizure without a warrant. If New York allows searching a vehicle without a warrant, that violates probable cause to search. It’s a wonder no one has questioned this in the past.

    • Jrflipp/USMC says:

      This has nothing to do with the second amendment since absolutely no firearms were involved. Illegal search and seizure, maybe. Ridiculous, definitely.

      • asllepinthealley says:

        This has everything to do with the 2nd Amendment. We have a God given right to possess any weapon the government has and the 2nd Amendment makes note of this. We are the ones in charge and all we have to do to insure it is to exercise our rights. Stand up for what is yours. Stand up against what you know is wrong and most importantly stand up now for our countrymen as they come under attack from our own government.

        • protectthechildrentoo says:

          I believe it says ‘right to bear arms’ I do not believe is says anything about you having the right to any size magazines, unless I missed that. I believe that each state can make that law no matter how they want to. But yes you can have a gun, doesnt mean you get to have bullets to go in it! Especially in 30rd mags.

        • protectthechildrentoo says:

          by the way, it does not say any and all weapons that the gov’t has access to. Please try to order a nuclear bomb and tell me how far the 2nd ammendment gets you on that one.

  11. Bunky says:

    Let’s have the N.R.A. lawyers bail out the Sgt..

  12. John Smith says:

    That is what you get for traveling or living behind enemy lines —Blue coats run that part of the country— Pack up and run for a “free state”

    • Jeff Botts says:

      Sorry, but I prefer to stay and fight! I will not run from the Libs…..

  13. Enter your name... says:

    On Jan 27 a retired gun dealer on Long Island was arrested and guns confiscated and police still have not given a reason as to why they arrested him. This is just the start of goverment coming to take our 2nd ammendment away.

  14. Apostle says:

    And the sheriffs say; Oh we’re the good guys! Pulleeezzze, If you wear the enemies uniform, you are the enemy.

    • VetCop says:

      Apostle,
      I served my country for six years, I spent 3 years, 2 months and 8 days of that in the Middle East. I am now a licensed Peace Officer in Texas and your comment thoroughly pisses me off. I wear a police uniform and to have someone like you pop off with some off the wall shit like that, is just completely unfounded. Check yourself.

      • Tim Carroll says:

        Thanks for your service VetCop! The vast majority of Police and Sheriff Deputies I have spoken to, fully support our rights to be armed, although that is here in Sunny SoCal. Politicians, are of course way different and should be immediately fired, but thats another topic.

      • Mike says:

        He is talking about “Blue Coats” —-Texas is a Red state —Law men serve the ppl— In Blue states they are bad guys —that refuse to move or to help the common man

      • John J. Potts says:

        Mr. Texas Police Officer,

        I have a spotless record. I retired twenty-two years US Army Infantry. The way I have talked to by police has been amazing. I have been cursed at for politely refusing to give my SS#. I have been screamed at in California, forced to pull up an anchor that I could not lift as I was awaiting a new Windless. Cops have come up to my boat and turned on search lights as my Wife and I were sitting enjoying a class of wine. In New York, two water cops harrassed me for two hours. I broke no law. Once, many years ago I was punched in the kidney by a cop. He did this infront of my son, wife, in-laws, and friends. All I said in a friendly manner was, “Isn’t this private property Officer?” Two weeks back from Nam. If I had been armed, I assure you I would have been put to death. I would have shot them. May I assure you, I will never be beaten by the Police again. Not a blemish on my record.

      • ninjaguy says:

        Thanks for serving, but fuck off with all of the other crooked left Texas peace officers.

      • Craig R says:

        I thank you for your service VetCop, but you need to understand our Sheriff Association recently wrote a letter saying they stand with the citizens of NY and support the Constitution and the 2A. I don’t trust anyone that wears an LE uniform anymore, regardless of what they say their beliefs are. Most are nice guys while you are sitting around having a beer with them, but as soon as they don that uniform something changes in them. I’ve witnessed that first hand. I live in NY and at a recent gun show you could buy those 30rd mags for $65 all day long. No one was saying anything to the contrary. Last year they were limiting them to LE only. Why does LE get a free pass on all this type of armament? Are you guys and gals some sort of special class of people? The laws in NYS are so confusing that even lawyers who are well versed in 2A case law can’t figure them out. Before you go getting all high and mighty, you should think what we are dealing with from the other side of the badge. It isn’t a good time to live in America and try to be a law-abiding gun owner.

      • VetCop says:

        Whoopdedo VetCop…I served my country for over 20 years. Your knee-jerk, tough guy, “pissed off” reaction is exactly what folks here are talking about. So you wear a police uniform, so what…that doesn’t make you above the law. In fact, perhaps a little of the old fashioned humility and “protect and serve” attitude would go a long way to restoring some of the respect law enforcement has lost. Oh, yeah, I forgot … you don’t protect and serve anymore. Us, low life, civilian, citizens are on our own.

  15. Barry McClung says:

    This is the obvious railroading of a decorated hero by pea-brained, badge-wearing thugs is a state where the Libtard politicians have been allowed to ride roughshod over civil rights and to defy all logic in their race to the deepest part of the cesspool. Somebody get this man the best lawyer possible and shout loudly your support for him and his family. Mister Cuomo needs to be unemployed. Soon.

  16. JEFFREY WESTBROOK says:

    ARE WE SERIOUS HERE? Look if you range shoot your gonna have at least 7-10 magazines for the range. I say this because the military has us train for a full combat load. What is a full combat load you ask???? Hmmm… 210 Rounds. And that is 7 magazines. So I’m guessing that he practices with what he can afford, transitioning from the military. If there is anyone to blame for him wanting to protect himself and his neighbors, It’s you, the one’s who have a problem with this individual. An individual, I might add that has had Military experience, knows what is right and wrong, through military standards, and is who defends your country while you sleep. Lets do the right thing for once and say ” NOOOOO, THIS IS WRONG”. Lets arrest those who deserve it, Hmmm, Like the damn criminals that you don’t have a face for. Do not make him your face for revenge.
    Ranger1/75

  17. Dave says:

    I hope that not too many of you LEO’s are this pathetic & this much of a pushover to follow through with arresting citizens for this nonsense.
    What the hell are you thinking?
    Just don’t do it for gods sake!

  18. Bruce p says:

    This is an outrage. The govt. is turning this country to crap.

  19. grayfox114 says:

    This is the problem we will all be facing, or are now facing: The thick headed goons that will do whatever they are told without thinking it through!< I was a deputy, 30+, was always looking at the law in the intent vs the letter manner. Just because it was written did not make it right. These cops and others like them are what Obama and this administration need and like. They should not be wearing a badge, but since they are, I hope it's a big one, because it will hurt a lot more when it gets stuffed up their ass! They are a blight on true law enforcement officers everywhere.

  20. rev. dave says:

    A good reason to spend as little time as possible traversing that state, or in it. New Jersey is notoriously gun-unfriendly too.

  21. BAB says:

    FIRE THE dumb Jefferson County Sheriff! And sue this moron for incompetence in doing his job.

  22. travelo says:

    Most individuals talk smack, most wouldn’t have the guts to pull the trigger and kill another human…Total hypocricy.

    • ticci says:

      Travelo: (or whatever)

      Clint Eastwood: “Go ahead, Make my day!”

      Now, did I mean that comment Mr. HomeInvader?? I forgot myself in all this excitement…

      Try my front door at 3am unannounced in my neighborhood….

  23. Chad says:

    Wheres the probable cause to
    Search the car. And didn’t they find that road blocks and random stops without cause are unconstitutional. I know it is in indiana. And probable cause is needed to search the car.

    • Mike B says:

      With the Patriot Act and the boondoggle that is DHS, your 4th Amendment rights cease to exist within 100 miles of any land, or coastal United States borderline. Somebody up higher in this posting put in a link to a map showing it.

  24. hoosyar says:

    What a pathetic action! The lunatics are running the asylum.

  25. oath keeper says:

    this is Bbut if you want to show us the picture of him being booked or in cuffs and the police report i might feel differently this is to scare the american people.

  26. John Paget says:

    It looks like it almost time to go war. I hope that the true patriots in New York start the ball rolling so we can all join in.

    • NoGunz4U says:

      Time to go to war ??
      True patriots ??

      This guy may as well have had a kilo of coke in his car, the penalty will be about the same now in the eyes of the misguided legal system.

      People with guns cote right ?? Well, too bad, if you voted then you are part of the problem bec you helped these fools get into office and write these laws. I dont even bother with voting anymore.

      Where is the real journalistic integrity about finding out what mind altering meds Adam Lanza was taking and then having a gun ban on all people who have to take these meds ? These questions can be asked at the pharmacy counter :
      Got guns at home ? answer YES – call your doctor, we cant give you these meds til you turn your guns in. After you finish the meds in 3-4 months and the doctor says you dont need meds anymore, you can apply to have the guns back. Simple as that.
      BAN all gun shows from now on, everywhere. People holding & attending guns shows will be arrested and sent to FEMA camps for re-education.

      People buying amunition should be subjected to a drug and alcohol screening.

      Dont like it ?
      Welcome to your new liberal agenda.
      Dont like it ?
      Should have written in Ron Paul on your ballot.

      • Army Engineer says:

        For someone who “doesn’t bother voting” why would tell someone how to vote?

      • jimmy says:

        You dont vote? Then shut your holster and enjoy your freedoms being ripped. You think you are better than anyone who takes our rights away? You’re not, By not voting you are taking a proactive way of saying fuck the country. “waaa I dont wanna vote because they dont like me” Shut your face and get the fuck out.

        • rev. dave says:

          True class there jimmy. You only reinforce the image of gun owners as reptilian-brained dumb-ass rednecks when you write like that. Please stop.

      • purple heart recipient says:

        This country is not worth fighting for

        • DEB says:

          This is truley a very sad day in America when an Honored Purple Heart Vet, says this country is not worth fighting for anymore. I hope that the D.C. crowd somehow sees this post.

      • ticci says:

        Dont give these “drones” any more ideas!

  27. MF says:

    This is why I will NEVER go back to the Peoples’ Republic of New York. They are NUTZ! The cops think they are catching criminals? They vote for that Cuomo? They put a bunch of thugs in high office and in positions of authority? They violated his rights JUST by randomly pulling him over. Since WHEN can you pull someone over just to search his car? 4th Amendment anyone? Do we just not have ANY rights anymore?

    • George says:

      Your rights as you label them are only a theory.

      The people in office want to dismantle the consitution and this has been happening since Bush and the Patriot Act, which has alreayd been written well in advance on 9/11 which should tell you something right away.

      Now you can be stopped for suspicion of being suspicious and it isnt a violation of any right you think you have.

      So MF, the answer is NO, there are no right anymore. Maybe if the US Dollar is utterly destroyed, we will have a chance to start over again. What we have now is totally corrupt, invasive and ineffective.

      If you are actively voting every year, you are supporting the system, not trying to rip it down like you should be.

  28. Rae S says:

    This man should never have even been arrested… The ridiculous Ban wasnt in affect, and obviously hes not some gangbanger out looking to do a drive by… What the heck is wrong with these people?? They have no legal right to arrest this man… If anything he has grounds to sue their butts off.

  29. bob says:

    This doesn’t pass the smell test. The way the law reads, NY’ers are “allowed” to own 30 round mags, and have up to a full year, after the date of implimentation, to dispose of their property. During that time they may be sold to purchasers outside of the state of NY.

    • rev. dave says:

      “…random vehicle search….’ near the border means you have no rights. The sheriff’s dep’t. may have been working with one of the rolling TSA roadblocks, or with Border Patrol. In any case, it’s my understanding that anywhere within 100 miles of the coast or borders is a ‘no Bill of Rights’ zone – they do what they want to do with you. Clearly, the Fourth Amendment wasn’t considered applicable here, or he could simply have refused the search and insisted on a warrant. But of course, in today’s Amerika even insisting on your 4th Amendment rights gets you put on a watch list – and probably on the No-Fly list too.

  30. mec says:

    New York needs to find a pretext to let this man off. The state can do it as it is notoriously deferential to celebrities and those with mod connections.They can surely do it for an American Hero. Then, they need to facilitate the courts getting rid of this stupid law and send that idiot of a governor back to the private sector.

  31. JustTheFactsMa'am says:

    Nice misleading article here. He was arrested because of the 1994 ban on 30 round magazines, not because of pre-employment of Cuomo’s ban.

    • JustTheFactsMa'am says:

      Yes, but the implementation of the law in use here, was 1994.

    • jimmy says:

      You know that law went back to allowing them in 2004. And has not been implemented. RESEARCH and how about a little more support of our brave brothers and sisters.

      • Fert says:

        Hey jimmy, NY law is not the same as federal law. The AWB in NY mirrored the Federal AWB, but did not include a sunset provision, so it is still completely in effect. How’s that for research, BITCH?

  32. nob johnson says:

    Why would anyone want to live in that god forsaken state! Really anywhere on that coast.Hope he gets off them trumped up charges

  33. Joe says:

    Just a couple of thoughts on this….

    1. If the ban was not fully enacted that means it technically was not legal to begin with, but whats worse…..since WHEN can police RANDOMLY pull people over and search them? Though you still needed PROBABLE CAUSE…..the arrest was must be dropped since it was based on an illegal search….any ambulance chaser lawyer should be able to do that much.

    2. WHERE THE HELL IN UNCLE SAM? This is a decorated War Vet!! A person who put his ass on the line for this country and Uncle Sam can’t be bothered to help out with a lawyer at least???

    3. What is our country coming to when gestapo tactics are becoming common place, the people so fear the government that they won’t even stand up for themselves anymore. Have we truly fallen so far……I almost feel ashamed to be an American these days, this nation has lost itself, and the people don’t seem to care….or maybe they are just to scared to try anymore.

  34. Scott W says:

    What the hell? That is an absolute disgrace and is disgusting in my book. As a fellow soldier i hope this is thrown out. Gun control has to end this is a prime example just how full of idiots our government has become.

    • SNIPER says:

      Hey Scott, the military is for warriers, not sissies sounds like you need to quit. Its easy just let go of your friends dick, walk to the jag office and quit.

      • SNIPER says:

        sorry Scott i misread your post before i blew up.

  35. Trisha says:

    This guy was arrested before the new gun laws apparently for breaking the law.

  36. hickory taylor says:

    when I first read this I thought it was just another internet rumor until I found this donor site for his defense. what I’m reading is 30 round mags were already illegal in that awful state and that he thought they were pre 1994 ban magazines. In any event, this is real and the family is asking for help in defending him. He’s retired after 12 years only, so must be some kind of medical issue and he can’t afford a defense. Check this link and pass it on. http://www.gofundme.com/1tkukc

  37. j. Strappe says:

    Where is he being held? Is he still in jail? Sounds to me like he needs to be rescued. This is all coming to a head very shortly.

  38. The Polish Prince says:

    We should all have a million man march on Washington with gun owners and activists. Everyone armed with 1 single empty 30 round magazine held over our heads like freedom fighters.

  39. Mauser*Girl says:

    This makes no sense at all.

    First – for those not aware, New York had a ban on 30-round magazines in place prior to the most recent changes to gun laws. Under that ban, the highest capacity of a magazine legal in New York was 10 rounds. That ban, however, excluded magazines manufactured prior to 1994. If these were pre-1994 magazines legally owned by this individual, they were not illegal.

    Second – the most recent changes to gun laws occurred on 15 January. According to the Governor’s and State Police’s website, all 30 round magazines must either be turned in or sold out of state by 15 APRIL 2014. Yes, 15 April of NEXT YEAR. Therefore, the magazines he had in possession are CURRENTLY LEGAL in New York.

    I am wondering if there is more to the story than we are being told. Are these magazines marked “US Government or Law Enforcement Only”? Are they military property?

  40. sedona2a says:

    Randomly pulled over and his vehicle searched…Stop and frisk….These idiots in NY are out of control!!Have they ever heard of the 4th amendment?
    Good thing for him they didn’t find a 44 oz. Big Gulp in his car!

  41. namvetbiker says:

    I used to live in New York up until 1968 when my family moved to Arizona. I am appalled that the supid, uneducated, folks that call themselves Law Enforcement Officers would do something like this. Especially to a Combat Vet. All I can say is that New York sucks and it will be a cold day in hell if I ever visit that state again.

  42. anon says:

    Ha.pulled over at random.This is what that guy was fighting for,our non freedom.nice to know you can be thrown in prison for carrying some rectangular shaped polymer with springs in it

  43. Fred says:

    America is being destroyed by the lazy, the weak, and the liberals ! I am a police officer. Know that good laws save lives but bad laws lead to lawlessness ! I’m ashamed of how this country is ENDing up! Politicians… Liberals… dumb ass law enforcement … Pray for AMERICA !

  44. Ralph says:

    Yeah, it was ok for david Gregory on media bias news but not ok for a decorated combat vet ,treason in my book these law makers are getting way out of control with this crap liberty will prevail in the end!!!

  45. keldon says:

    power tripping cops.. this man literally fought for our freedom . they go and treat him like a criminal. this has gone way to far.

  46. Mark says:

    Unless the mags were sitting in plain sight, how the hell did the officer make an arrest?? Vehicular stop for misdemeanor traffic violation IS NOT probable cause to search! Did somebody repeal the 4th Amendment lately?

  47. John says:

    What the hell is wrong with NY law enforcement ? I saw where they cuffed a 7 year old boy and interrogated him for 10 hours !!!! REALLY ??? A combat Vet arrested for an empty clip ? Law enforcement like that will cause more harm than good

  48. ScottC says:

    Am I missing something here …. What did he do wrong and why was he arrested ? If he did nothing wrong, then he shouldn’t have been arrested and he shouldn’t have to defend himself in court and have to waste ANY money or time … WTF in going on. Is this still a country where you are presumed innocent til proven guilty or am I wrong ???? Holy SHIT !!

    • Doc says:

      Scott, sadly..no. In the eyes of the law you are guilty until proven innocent anymore. If you believe otherwise you are snorting some major good stuff! It’s a sad sad world we live in. I spent 9 years in the Army, I have bled for this land, and to be honest with you, if I could afford it, I’d go live in the Carribean (spelled wrong I know) where I didn’t have to worry with stupid bullshit like this. I could sit out on the beach and drink as much as I wanted, and tell whoever I wanted to go get fucked, and not have to worry about shit. Pretty sad anymore….

  49. dan says:

    Gun owners in NY ..take notice…all such stops should be in your opinion re evaluated.and dealt with as you see fit…go to jail or go on your way…coming to a town near you

  50. b2144 says:

    what I find as odd is that watertown is outside fort drum. i recently got out of the army myself, and have found empty 30 round magazines in with my extra gear. ar-15, M-4, M-16 all pretty much the same thing. figure a cop outside an army base would put two and two together.

  51. robert Sheeley says:

    I have stated my position on this before. Get the NRA attorneys on thi. They make enough to take this case Pro bono and it helps there cause in the fight over gun control.

  52. JW says:

    First off while I don’t particularly agree with this, the magazines in face were loaded with ammunition. They were found subsequesnt to a lawful motor vehicle stop for a violation of NY V&T Law and this has nothing to do with the new NY Safe Act. In NYS it has been illegal to possess a magazine with a capacity of more then 10 rounds since 1994.

  53. ed says:

    I hope none of you actually think that this happened and are donating to the cause. It’s a scam. The law wasn’t signed until 1/15/2013. It’s not a felony to possess high cap magazines, it’s a misdemeanor. People have a year to get rid of the magazines so if empty, there’s no violation whatsoever. As of 1/6/13, he could have sold those magazines to the cop that stopped him. Don’t let your emotions get in the way of your thoughts. I am a fellow 2nd amendment supporter but I want to know the source of this article. If it actually happened, it would be front page news in every newspaper in NY and the entire country.

    • ed says:

      I am off on that. I misread and it could have happened based on the fact that he is not law enforcement with more than 10 round magazines. Unloaded magazines though? I can’t see this happening either way. Is there another article with the unbiased real story of why he was stopped and searched. I still don’t buy it based on no probable cause to search. There are protections for that. If violated, then go get em! NYS, Making criminals of honest people for years.

      • Jake says:

        ed, you sir are a number one ass. Maybe you should learn to read before trying to spread your bullshit lies. I realize that people like you are paid by the administration to go to websites like this and defame anyone who doesn’t report the government line, but to try to trash an honorable man is just despicable.

        I hope you sleep well at night. And when the government turns there back on you and arrests you for something, don’t come crying to sites like this to report your story.

        It’s amazing how many stupid people there are in this country. Keep up the good work Off Grid Survival, and thank you for reporting what’s really going on in this country. There are a lot of us out here who appreciate what you do.

    • jimmy says:

      I just researched this and yes it has really happened.

    • Floid says:

      I personally know this guy…lived in his apartment for 2 weeks when I needed a place to crash, and yes, Nate was arrested and his brother is behind raising the support…

  54. melloney ward says:

    SAD,SAD, DAY IN AMERICA,MY SON DIED IN IRAQ,WHY SO WE COULD GIVE UP OUR RIGHTS? THERE MUST BE A SERIOUS RUMBLING GOING ON IN HEAVEN ALL THOSE WHO DIED TO DEFEND OUR RIGHTS,DID THEY DIE FOR NOTHING,SO STUPID PEOPLE COULD PASS STUPID LAWS,TREAT A VET,SO DISRESPECTFULLY AND GET AWAY WITH IT,WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY BEFORE WE ARE ALL IN JAIL FOR SOMETHING STUPID

    • DEB says:

      SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS, i think you should contact all of the other mothers of our fallen brothers and start to tell D.C. whats up. Media loves stories from a mother on either side of a idea.

  55. Rob says:

    This is a disgrace & discredit to our nation i have read all these post & agree with most of the more intelligent ones. We should take what is rightfully ours & uphold the constitution if the United States of American for which this fucking country was founded!!! Being sold like slaves to the wolves soon some other nation will come in & with our weakened state of affairs & kill us all with something bigger than clip!!! Can’t all the crippling over paid (paid-off) figures that have the nerve to call themselves statesman/governors/congress/president/CIA/so called bankers find another country to invade!!!!!!…. Totally ashamed of the USA & to live here makes me feel sickened$$%•

  56. Brandon says:

    This sickens me, it literally puts a knot in my stomach. This man is not a criminal, he is not dangerous, he is not someone that should be treated with this much disrespect. This combat veteran has put his very own life on the line so that citizens may enjoy the freedoms that they take for granted. Now back home, he is arrested on completely ridiculous charges. This is NOT the type of treatment our military veterans deserve. This is completely absurd!

  57. Joe says:

    I’ve always been one to question the facts, so I wonder what the specifics of this are. But no matter specifics, the principle of this is pretty messed up. We all know what is happening here though. Every gun owner in America does. The government wants to slowly disarm us. A lot of police say they defend 2A, but what comes first? Their job that supports their family? Or the 2nd Amendment. Those that are smart will be turning in their badges if things keep going the way that they are. I say if they keep pulling this shit, some people in New York are going to take a stand. Any form of gun control is unconstitutional. Some isn’t a bad thing, BUT the government has long been overstepping their boundaries. Keep your rifles close at hand, we might have to use them soon.

  58. ace says:

    You all talk a good game but in this f world we live your all fill of bs when are you guys going to watch up and smell the coffee. Let me guess whe it’s to late cum on ppl stop the bs games and stand up for your rights. The time is now to form a preppers organization.

    • SNIPER says:

      I 2nd the motion.

  59. julie says:

    WTF?!?!?! IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?!?!?! GET THE F@#% OVER IT!!!

  60. John says:

    Welcome to ►BIG BROTHER 2013◄

  61. John says:

    I am moving out of New York with my collection.

  62. robert says:

    This pisses me off, im a combat veteran currently serving in Afghanistan. I keep reading the bull crap that is going on back in the states,this crap makes me not want to come back. What the hell has our country turned into. What am i defending anymore, what am i risking my life for anymore. Its come down to not the country we fight for anymore that has long passed, its only for our friends and family do we defend here now today. Scouts out..

  63. David says:

    When did we start “random” car searches? What about probable cause? Search and seizure laws? Why was this man chosen at “random”? Whole deal sounds unconstitutional to me.

  64. rick d says:

    This sounds like total BS to me. First, the new law wasn’t even signed until 1/15, and the law gives you until Jan 15, 2014 to dispose of existing mags. So the arresting officer must have thought the mags were manufactured after 1994, the date of the original assault weapons ban. But there isn’t any date stamp on mags that I know of, so no way to prove it. I’m a fellow NYer and pissed off about this law, but there isn’t any way this could be prosecuted that I can see.

  65. Tony says:

    Unfortunately those magazines were banned before the latest round of crap they call laws, 10 round magazine have been the limit for sometime now.

    What i do not understand is the “random” vehicle check.

  66. FLIPPITY FLAPPITY FLUPE says:

    ALL COPS ARE COMMIES. ALL COPS ARE TERRORISTS. ALL COPS HATE OUR FREEDOM. ALL COPS SPIT ON OUR BILL OF RIGHTS. ALL COPS WALK ON THE CONSTITUTION. ALL COPS ARE LIARS. ALL COPS ARE COWARDS. MAYBE WE’RE SHOOTING THE WRONG TERRORISTS?

    • powed says:

      AMEN to that!

  67. Mark in TX says:

    I don’t buy anything made in NY, IL, or CA. I don’t travel to NY, IL, or CA. I don’t hire anyone from NY, IL, or CA. It’s a matter of principle. Sounds harsh, but these people created their own mess and if they don’t like their predicament, only they can fix by voting corrupt and tyrannical progressive socialists out of office. If enough people did that, the corrupt statist systems in these states would collapse. When states collapse, there will be blood. The state becomes even more tyrannical in its’ own self-preservation and a countervailing insurgency develops. Guerilla warfare ensues (did they really think the people gave up their guns?). The panicked state overreacts and guerilla warfare spreads into national revolution. Then all these Mussolinis get dragged through the streets. All these Hitlers get the opportunity to commit suicide. All these Tojos and Saddams get hung. Sadly, many among the people die as well during revolutionary war. This is the pattern of human response to tyranny time after time throughout history. It will happen here, too. Did you think we’re immune from tyranny or revolution? Our own history says no. We wouldn’t exist without revolution or bold, principled people. History tells us so. I suggest that it would be far easier to use the ballot box now, before another bloody revolution reshapes our future.

    • DEB says:

      Finally a man that walks his talk.

    • dano says:

      Mark, I take issue with your statement – we in Illinois are outnumbered by the ultralibs out of Chicago (Obama), the Dick Durbin establishment, etc. We get outvoted by the Quad Cities, the Metro East and the Chicago area by sheer numbers. We don’t like it but we’re screwed. Please don’t toss us in with the Constitution busters.

  68. BillClay says:

    GOVT’s gone to far in trying to completely control the people its supposed to serve,its starting to act like a dictalorship instead of a FREE nation.

  69. matt says:

    its funny cuz the us army issuses u 30 rd mags

    • SNIPER says:

      I wonder how many clips of what size does the Secret Service agents that protect Obumble, his kids, his wife and all of the other D.C. croonies?

  70. vince says:

    Is he still in jail, or what?

  71. Roger says:

    So wait. A citizen knew the laws, and broke them.. and now we’re having an outcry party?

  72. brian dingman says:

    All i can say is LAW SUIT!!!!The new law clearly states that you have one year to sell the magazines out of state.

    • Abbie H. says:

      10 round magazines, yes. 30 round magazines have been illegal in NY state since 1999.

  73. Oops says:

    All you gun enthusiasts need to quit committing all the gun related crimes in this country… Tired of getting robbed by hunters and marksmen at the 7/11

  74. Ryan says:

    Considering he was right around Ft. Drum, NY, there should be absolutely no issue of him having these in his vehicle. As a matter of fact, I bet there are many soldiers with empty mags in there vehicles. This is an issue item, and many soldier carry TA-50, along with other issue equipment in their vehicles if transporting them from home to work and vice versa. Jefferson County might as well start lobbying for Ft. Drum to stop issuing magazines, and start issuing candy canes and unicorn kisses.

  75. Thompsonjeremy@att.net says:

    I just left a good voicemail. He’s out until Monday but we can still fill his voicemail.

  76. nopenotyou says:

    the law is the law whether you are a preacher or a thug. Ignorance of the law is no excuse to slide on by.
    If the law is too strict, as written, it will be challenged and defeated.
    But just like prohibition, it might unpopular with your crowd, but it is the law.

    • powed says:

      and your an idiot along with the state of new york!

  77. Darren says:

    Pulled over randomly for a check?? Are we in Cold-War-Russia? This country is becoming what we despised the most! It’s becoming what the second amendment states we should bear arms for. To protect against enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Tyranny, etc. Being a combat veteran myself, I’m disgusted where this country is headed. It saddens me that I can’t stand so much of the country I fought for, got shot for, and would have done anything to protect.

  78. Greg says:

    Where is the legality of the ‘random vehicle check’. Where is the probably cause for pulling a vehicle over. There was no suspicion of a crime having been committed. It was a random and unconstitutional ‘search and seizure’ which we are protected against. If not, we would have a Gestapo-style police force weilding unlimited discretionary power over the populace, keeping them in check with fear and intimidation. I’d say that this soldier certainly does have a strong constitutional case.

  79. Anthony Quatroni says:

    How does someone get randomly pulled over and their vehicle searched? That’s 100% unconstitutional and I hope he wins and sues these morons for everything they have.

  80. Bear Tate says:

    Fools that argue he is a military man instead of search with out probable cause distorts and takes away from what is happening to our constutional rights. At Fort Hood a military man killed others!
    The politician loop hole writers are responsible not the officers following orders. As for as voteing it only means any thing if the elected officials obay constutional law.

  81. Chris W. says:

    The reason he was arrested is this, there already was a ban on any hi-cap magazine made after september of 1994 in NY. The assault weapons ban never sunsetted in the empire state. The only preban mags legal where made before 1994. Now those are illegal too, at a future date.

  82. Mark says:

    What a tragedy in America. The liberal media, specifically David Gregory can possess and flaunt an “illegal” magazine while in Washington DC and nothing happens. But a HERO is charged. This country is in such a decline.

  83. Jeff says:

    Many of you have cited the NY AWB and that hi-cap mags were illegal. You are partially correct in that any hi-cap mag manufactured before 1994 were still legal in NY until the NYSAFE ACT on 15jan13. you simply could not purchase new hi-cap mags.

  84. SE Rutledge says:

    Nathan Haddad’s brother has set up a legal defense fund for his brother who cannot afford to fight these charges on his own. We ask that you share this story with everyone you know so that this attack on Hassad

    Is it Haddad or Hassad?

  85. SoCalKent says:

    6 words is all he needed to say
    “I Do Not Consent To Searches”

  86. powed says:

    new york………………..i hope he sues you and that dumbass of a gov. you have for everything you have.what a bunch of butt wipes. and the jefferson county dept. are all a bunch of idiots

  87. Cpl Chuck Cavender (ret) says:

    As a 31 year veteran as a deputy sheriff I am ashamed of the deputy who made this decision, obviously this deputy is by the book and has not used the desecration and common sence he should have learned in training. Some departments will let this type of officer slip through and it is to bad this hero ran into that 1% er. I hope this man gets his day in front of a conservative and resonable Judge. God bless him

    • Tj Gunner says:

      This is ridiculous. The government can ask this man to protect his country and its interests with these instruments yet they won’t let him have these items to protect his family.As for the deputy that arrested this man, descretion should have been used. Law enforcement and military are suppose to be brothers in arms. We all wear a different uniform but serve in different geographical locations. Law enforcement protect our backyard while we military members serve outside the U.S. Non descretion like this could put a wedge between law enforcement and vetereans in the future if this keeps happening. I hope tax payers dollars are not being used to prosecute this guy. I am a veteran and am totally disgusted by this. It is an insult to men and women of uniform. When the government comes to take your weapons and start to take our America’s liberties, this countries best line of defense are its veterans. Very upset by this!!!

  88. SNIPER says:

    I hope that the people who have started the gun ban has a person reading blogs, because look at all the irate comments that have came from just one arrest for some empty mags, can you imagine if people get arreeted for having a gun in their hom????????

  89. James Speed says:

    I hope he SUES them for over 5 MILLION DOLLARS.. they CANNOT WIN THIS SUIT!

  90. John says:

    For those of you taking the time to call or write the Sheriff, be sure to also let him know what you think of him giving his deputy a slap on the wrist after the deputy was recently found slumped over the steering wheel of his patrol car with a bottle of Red Stag…

  91. Disgusted says:

    A crime has been committed and the real perpetrators belong in jail. So I must ask; when will the police start locking up the all of the co-conspirator public officials? Here in N.Y. we should start with the Governor and Legislators. They have knowingly and with with intent, violated their sworn oath of office.by voting to deprive us of our constitutional rights. The oppressive criminal bastards have infringed upon the law abiding citizen’s right “to keep and bear arms.” Their duty in office was to uphold the most important and sacred laws of our land. Simply voting these criminal public officials out of office is not good enough. They became oppressors and violated the Constitution and are now criminals. Put them in prison where they belong. I’m not saying “Off With Their Heads”. Though that may be what they deserve.

    Americans citizen soldiers have fought and died for freedom. They fought a revolution to become free (1775–83). The next revolt will be to restore, preserve, and protect the Constitution. Hopefully it will start and end at the ballot box. If that doesn’t work the fight could end up in the streets. Hopefully if that time comes, it will be before all law abiding citizens are effectively disarmed by a powerful and growingly oppressive government. Vote the subversive criminal bastards out of office before they undermine the Constitution and start another violent bloody war for freedom.

    Remember Democratic principles never work for long when a majority of voters oppress the minority. Just look at what’s happening today in countries like Egypt. A dictatorial government was overthrown by violence in the streets. A democratically elected government whose intent is to oppress the minority and violate their right to live freely and in peace, was installed by a majority vote. And again there is violence in the streets.

    Criminals and the criminally insane will not obey gun laws. Disarming law abiding citizens doesn’t stop violent crime it creates defenseless victims and makes it easier for this oppressive but democratically elected government to take away even more of my rights as well as yours. Big government, as in America, has become a costly burden and harder, NO! Make that near impossible, to control. Right now we are on the border of impossible. It’s time to jamb hard on the brakes before it’s to late.

  92. Beau says:

    Since I wasn’t present during the arrest, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the odds of him ONLY having the magazines in his possession are very slim. Being a combat veteran myself, my guess is that along with the magazines he probably had other job related equipment in his possession. Not because he felt the need to be prepared for an “imaginary fire fight”, but instead because of the fact that he is an E-6 an likely has off-post housing and must transport a lot of assigned TA-50 (equipment for you non-vets) on a regular basis.
    With that being said, those of you that say it still isn’t a judgement call for the police officer and the officer was merely upholding the law, feel free to report to every law-enforcement office of any & every city/county/state that you have ever gotten away with breaking/bending a law and confess.
    No? Don’t want to do that? How about stop whatever you’re doing right now and rush to the first arm forces recruiting station and volunteer for any branch of service you choose? Still no? Then “At ease the noise!”

  93. Maynard Krebs says:

    I travel to the state of NY as well as NYC twice a month and have so for years. In my waistband was and will be a Glock 19 and two spare magazines. FcKK NY’s unconstitutional laws.
    Totally contrary to the New Yorkers I served with in the Army to go along with this pathetic merde.

  94. Rey says:

    The PD needs to know they can’t do that to anyone and get away with it. Make them an example.

  95. Bruce says:

    Wow, tell me we don’t live in a police state. They had no right to pull you over. They certainly had no right to seacrh your car.

  96. Slvrizgold says:

    I want to add this… Even if this man wasn’t a decorated military vet, this whole situation is an abomination. We are ALL entitled to not be treated like criminals for exercising God-given Constitutional rights.

  97. courtney n. says:

    someone needs to start a petition…if i knew how i would!

  98. Jim M says:

    WTF. Hold off on the debate on laws affecting 2nd amendment for a minute, what about violation of the the 4th (unreasonable search and seizure). Random stops can check for safety related items (license, inspection, insurance, not drunk, etc.), it should not have expand to a search for ‘contraband’.

  99. Sam says:

    Did anyone catch this part?

    “when he was randomly pulled over for a vehicle check.”

    Since when is a “random vehicle check” legal within the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution?

  100. chuck says:

    Hah, nice. This BS story is *ONE* way to make some money. Well played…

  101. Mike says:

    Ha, no sympathy here. Don’t go to New York. Also, don’t work for the largest criminal organization in history (US Federal Government) if you think America has too many laws and not enough freedom. You don’t increase our freedom by working directly for those who seek to infringe upon our rights every day. Once the Feds run out of people who will follow their orders, maybe they won’t be able to control the rest of us as easily.

  102. Mike says:

    With everything stated….being that he is a service member and a Non-Commissioned Officer, he should be held responsible for his misconduct. He is put in that position because of his esteemed trust and confidence that his superiors held in him. Every single member of the military is held to a higher form of conventional responsibility and it is because of this, that when one service member, (regardless of which branch) fails to uphold his oaths and honor, reflects negative on the entire armed forces.

  103. Robert D. says:

    Go for jury nuification, If the jury is convinced the law is unconstituional they can over turn the law making it null & void, similar powers as supreme court! Why don’t people understand this & use it more! Take back your rights! Fight don’t run from it!

  104. Vin says:

    Anyone else wonder just how random that stop/search was. I don’t agree with gun control, and am especially vocal in my disdain for NY SAFE, but I find it interesting that a county sherrif’s deputy(a member of an group that has openly expressed issues with the new law) would “randomly” stop a decorated veteran and arrest them on a jumped up charge(a magazine, legal or not, is not a weapon, therefore, where does the “criminal possession of a weapon” come in). Can any of you devise a more inflammatory situation to create opposition to these new laws? I know, it sounds like I need to put my tinfoil hat back on, but if I wanted to get more people dead set on fighting these laws and legislation, this is the sort of thing I would want to make sure happened.

  105. PD says:

    SPEECHLESS

  106. Pat Nelson says:

    This is just more crazy Obama cr*p. Has anyone noticed how every shooting is now talked about on the news. N.Y. is the craziest state ever. First they ban super-sized soda (Maybe they think we are going to drown someone in them). The school system says it’s okay to give a 13 year old the morning after pill. No questions asked, no parental permission required. (They don’t even care about the reason. It could be because of rape or incest.)
    This is just one more step toward insanity.

    Technically, the way the law was written, the police or the military (Stationed in N.Y.) can not have these weapons either.

  107. Eglyntine says:

    And so it begins… These ppl are not interested in going after the criminals, they only want to infringe on the citizens of the US to push their power hungry agenda.

  108. Free Trapper says:

    NYS passed an “assault weapon law”, which included a 10 round maximum magazine capacity during the Clinton era when the federal “assault weapon law” was enacted. The federal law had a sunset which was allowed to expire during the Bush administration. The NYS law had no such sunset and remains in effect currently.

    After the Sandy Hook school murders the State of New York enacted a more stringent “assault weapon law” which among other things reduces the legal magazine capacity to seven (7) rounds. While passed and signed by the governor, portions of the new law have yet to be fully implemented and are scheduled to be phased in within the next year. From my understanding full compliance with the total provisions of this new law is to be approximately April, 2014.

    As an interesting aside with regard to this particular Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department…

    A complaint was received by 911 dispatch that a marked Sheriffs K-9 unit was parked off a roadway in the county. The engine was running with the uniformed deputy slumped over the steering wheel and unresponsive when a civilian tried to determine if the deputy needed assistance.

    911 dispatched an ambulance with medical personnel, a Sheriffs Unit and a NYS Police Unit to the scene. The responding Sheriff’s Unit found the Uniformed Deputy was indeed slumped over and initially unresponsive. The responding deputy observed a open bottle of hard liquor in the unit, which he subsequently admitted he removed and destroyed. The responding Deputy ordered the ambulance, medical personnel and responding NYSP unit to stand down and leave the area as he was assuming the investigation.

    The deputy reported to superiors the situation at the scene and was instructed by Sheriff Burns to give the incapacitated deputy a ride home. Additional Sheriff’s personnel were dispatched to return the patrol vehicle to the Sheriff’s Department Garage.

    This incident is reported to have occurred in December 2012 but only became public in January 2013 when, it has been suggested, civilian cooperation with covering up the investigation came into question.

    Subsequent to media and public inquiries the Sheriff stated that in mid January 2013 he issued a Vehicle and Traffic summons to the Deputy for having an open container in a motor vehicle. Sheriff Burns further reported he ordered an internal review of the responding Deputy and Supervisors on shift during the incident. It is Sheriff Burns position that after consulting with prosecutors it was determined that there was not sufficient probable cause to lodge charges other than the open container V&T summons.

    The Jefferson County Legislature has recently voted to ask the NYS Attorney General to investigate this and other questionable incidents within the Jefferson County NY Sheriff Department.

  109. just wondering says:

    i do not agree with this its total bs and i agree with a good portion of the comments being made… that being said.. where i live Road blocks and random stops are exstreamly common the constitution has not been in effect in along time why are you all suprised now… do something dont just bitch.. idont think this is bs just bc he is a vet ( who i have the upmost respect for) bc there are alot of vets who comeback from combat with mental issues that could cause people to be in danger if said vet was in possession of fire arms however the mags where Empty obviously he consented to a search bc this would not have happened with out consent it would have been droped or at least delt with by now… but even had they not been empty does he have an unstable mind? does he take meds that could make him unstable? does he have a record? is there anything at all to show that he was a threat to anyone or anything at all…no its not right i am a gun owner i have a beautiful and exspensive collection and dont agree with this shyt at all if there was no reason for it it shouldnt have happened..most gun related crimes are buy people who have illegaly abtained the gun… this is said and i hope that he gets out and something is done to teach people some lessons

  110. WHIT says:

    HEY i am in law enforcement and if i had pulled this man over and he had these in plain sight on the seat beside him. i would ask him what he had them for and what exactly he did for a living. after finding out he is a combat vet and what he had been doing with his life. i would shake the mans hand. ask him if there is anything i could do for him. because he has dang sure been doing things for me and mine. i would send him on his way and pray for him. say what you want. but if and when govt tells me i have to take weapons from law abiding citizens. then they can kiss my a&&… i will not be a part of it.

    • DEB says:

      Thank you for whay you do, and for having a thinking brain. You sir have a good outlook on things, pass it on.

  111. Resist Tyranny says:

    For people who keep saying you can only own 10 round mags for the last 10 years in NY, you are wrong! You cannot own ones manufactured after the AWB date. It is no different than the federal BS law where a mag made one day was “legal” and one made the next day is “illegal”.

    Anyways who cares! When injustice becomes law resistance becomes duty.

    • FreeTrapper says:

      You are correct in your statement.

      However from a practical standpoint a possessor of a suspected banned item is most often arrested and left with the task of invoking an affirmative defense which claims the item in question was legal to possess prior to the AWB.

      Since not all manufacturers continued to document dates of manufacture of 10+ round magazines subsequent to the federal AWB sun-setting it may prove to be a very difficult defense to sustain.

      And even if the defendant is successful with an affirmative defense claim it will be a very costly defense and when/if found not guilty the defendant will experience great difficulty in having any seized items returned. And when they are eventually returned it is almost certain they will not be in the condition they were in when seized.

  112. Ben Dover says:

    1) This should not even go to arraignment,the charges should be dropped by the dept.
    2) This officer needs to reigned in.
    3) Supports the fact that you are guilty until you are proven innocent.

  113. william says:

    folks, think twice about “sueing for millions” in damages talk. 1. those damages do NOTHING directly to chastise law enforcement gone bad. The taxpayers pay the damages. 2. When there is an egregious/willful violation of rights the corrective behaviour should be to fire and/or fine the officer(s) responsible. THIS would drive caution/study where it belongs, on the LEOs. 3. any laws that prevent this should be rescinded/replaced

  114. Tammi King says:

    This is ridiculous!!! I hope that there is a lawyer there that will offer his or her services for free to help this veteran with this. With all the stuff going on in the world this is what they worry about!!! Shame on them!

  115. Stephen Schedra says:

    This article says he was charged with “5 felonies”. The law says it is a class A misdemeanor. It also says that law enforcement should have given him a warning and 30 days to surrender it. One presumes that the Sheriff’s office would know the law, but it being so new and everyone having such confusion about what it really says and when it takes effect, well, I guess if that’s not an excuse for us fine citizens,then its not an excuse for the Sheriff either.

    Printing the actual paragraph from S2230-2013 SAFE ACT might prove illuminating for Haddad and his lawyer. Here it is for all.

    S 265.36 UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.
    IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO KNOWINGLY POSSESS A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE MANUFACTURED BEFORE SEPTEMBER THIRTEENTH,
    NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-FOUR, AND IF SUCH PERSON LAWFULLY POSSESSED SUCH LARGE CAPACITY FEEDING DEVICE BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER
    OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS SECTION, THAT HAS A CAPACITY OF, OR THAT CAN BE READILY RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT,
    MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION.
    AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS A REASONABLE BELIEF THAT SUCH DEVICE IS OF SUCH
    A CHARACTER THAT IT MAY LAWFULLY BE POSSESSED AND WHO SURRENDERS OR
    LAWFULLY DISPOSES OF SUCH DEVICE WITHIN THIRTY DAYS OF BEING NOTIFIED BY
    LAW ENFORCEMENT OR COUNTY LICENSING OFFICIALS THAT SUCH POSSESSION IS
    UNLAWFUL SHALL NOT BE GUILTY OF THIS OFFENSE. IT SHALL BE A REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION THAT SUCH PERSON KNOWS THAT SUCH LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION
    FEEDING DEVICE MAY NOT BE LAWFULLY POSSESSED IF HE OR SHE HAS BEEN CONTACTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OR COUNTY LICENSING OFFICIALS AND INFORMED THAT SUCH DEVICE MAY NOT BE LAWFULLY POSSESSED.

    UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE IS A
    CLASS A MISDEMEANOR.

  116. The Truth... says:

    The reason he was stopped and investigated was because he is of Arabic descent. Hence, “Haddad” is his last name! It’s sad that the very people we are fighting overseas is being allowed to infiltrate our military. We must end this nonsense! So that’s why we put him in jail. And hopefully he’s discharged from the military. Any pure white Christian, that calls himself an American, would certainly agree.

    • vin says:

      Wow…
      Words cannot express how stupid and hateful you come off as.
      A person is judged by what they do, not their name, religion, or the color of their skin.

  117. Sgt Dan says:

    We should all have one standard capacity that 30 rounds. The gov deosnt trust us but they trust Egypt and Mexico. We the people will loose trust in this gov.

  118. emmet says:

    I’m sure they will make a exception and hook him up with a good jag officer. Look at his evals, I bet they’re all excellent. This is a simple case for this soldier.The laws were signed but judgement will be based off the 1000s of constitution violation lawsuits that new york has already been served with.

  119. Blokhayev says:

    I do not live in NYS. However, I found this on the JCSO’s Facebook page. I have posted here a small section of their posting. It seems that NY is charging Mr. Haddad under the previous, existing state law where magazines were limited to only 10rds.

    “” As you have seen and read, the NYSAFE Act dropped magazine capacity from ten rounds to seven, meaning the existing law {PL §265.02 sub 8} already limited magazine capacity to ten rounds. PL §265.02(8) has been on the books, unchanged, in excess of 12 years:

    § 265.02 Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree.
    A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree when:

    (8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device. Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felony.

    Definition:

    23. “Large capacity ammunition feeding device” means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition; provided, however, that such term does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

    “”

  120. Johnny McDonald says:

    Unconstitutional laws aren’t laws.–Corporal Joshua Boston

  121. Tim C says:

    Are you F#$$^n kidding me? Im a cop and THAT is piss poor police discretion. Shame on you!!!!!

  122. BLB says:

    Everyone is focusing on the issue of the magazines, I don’t understand the “roadblocks” and searching vehicles without probable cause.

  123. john says:

    SOOO many idiots on this site. Its scary some have guns. Its irrelevant if the person is or was in the military. The law applies to everyone. PERIOD. I dont agree with the NY law, but they voted on it and its legal. Its been on the books for years. The man was in violation of it, PERIOD. NO DEBATE. The only questions is weather the arresting officer had discretion in the arrest. If so, then tho he did his job, he probably could have let him off. Kind of like getting caught speeding-doing 61 or 62 in a 60 mph zone. A bit petty, but perfectly legal. Kind of scary some of these people replying vote.

  124. Law Student says:

    Aside from the emotional veteran stuff (of which I am a veteran myself)when it comes strictly the law, he does have a clear defense at the appeals level when they review the law of the case. For a crime to have been committed, there are certain rules and elements that apply, as well as defenses. In all of that there are at least two that will eventually get any case successfully brought against him reversed. First, that the arrest was made in error due to crime committed if the 30 round magazine ban was not enforceable at the time of arrest, and two, even if a crime (technically) was committed, that he might have a defense that it was unreasonable for him (or any other reasonable person) to know that the “new” rules were in force. The second is harder to work than the first. In this case, there are several layers of “smart legal folks” that will protect his rights. Now, if he did violate the law, willingly or not, then it is on all of us to VOTE, be active in local politics, and use the American system of representative government to change the laws. From one vet to another, I wish him well.

  125. Right Left What? says:

    All of these complaints about roadblocks, searches, etc. Where were all of you when the Patriot Act was being passed by Bush’s Administration without Congress getting a chance to read it? Then Obama turns around and reauthorizes it!! That Act is a huge part of the elimination of basic privacy rights. Read it.

  126. EO1Moretti says:

    I was detained one time by the TSA, at the airport. I was in my desert camouflage uniform, in route back to Afghanistan after leave…..they detained me because my uniform was detected have gun powder by the sniffers. NOSHIT!

    • Michael Hopkins says:

      I have worked for Homeland Security for 11 years. I retired from the Army with 22 1/2 years of service. I spent 3 1/2 years of my career as an Infantryman in Iraq.
      TSA doesn’t detain people. TSA doesn’t arrest people. They are not a commissioned Law Enforcement Agency. You may have been delayed by them. But you were not detained.

  127. Michael Hopkins says:

    I think we need to shift our thinking here. Police officers are Peace Officers. They keep the peace. When something happens, they get called and they show up and restore the peace. The Courts are responsible for Enforcing the Law by judging whether laws were broken and if so what the punishment should be. The Constitutionality of the law restricting 10 round, and they don’t even make 7 round magazines for ARs, is the next problem. Sheriffs around the United States have stood up and said they will refuse to enforce any Presidential Actions! Because they Infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights. I support the idea of background checks. It should keep Felons and people with known Mental problems from purchasing weapons legally. Since we know a majority of guns used by criminals are stolen or purchased on the black market. And yes in some cases even given away by the BATFE, (if you are a member of a qualifying Mexican drug cartel!) Which brings us back to the Law Enforcement problem! The Justice System is broken! Offenders get 3 hots and a cot, cable TV, a gym membership, and in some cases an education. All paid for by the victims thru a generous donation of their tax dollars! Which makes us all victims!

  128. Mark Koernke says:

    WAr is coming.It is not if,it is only when.The sooner we get this over with the sooner we can get on with building a free country once again.The american interior police of the KGB,DHS,instructs the pea roided up pea brains about how they can make brownie points by attacking people based upon the latest politically correct scam/agenda.they get EXTRA kill marks for peeing on a Vet and a gun owner.The idea is for the shiesters and their meat puppets to use administrative terror against one man to cow the rest of you down.What filth. Organize,arm,equip and train as a Militia/team for MUTUAL defense.Liberty and 1775 is the answer to the problem. MGK

  129. RB says:

    The law is the law…bottom line. Soldiers are not exempt !

  130. John says:

    This story sounds fishy. Any other proof that it actually happened? And if it did, it will get tossed by a judge, if it ever gets that far. Law was not in effect at the time of the arrest. Can’t enforce a law that technically doesn’t exsist yet.

  131. Carrie says:

    Instead of going after criminals they go after Law abiding citizens!

  132. Beth says:

    My son was pulled over in Elmira, NY, DUI and speeding. Unloaded CCW locked in middle console of his truck with 3 unloaded clips. Unopened box of ammo in backseat area of the truck. He pleaded guilty to the DUI and speeding charges. Has been charged with 1 felony for possessing a firearm. He may be charged with 3 more felonies, one for each clip. This is his first offense. He has been working in PA since May. This is a violation of his Second Amendment rights. There are many questionable incidents in this case. There was a friend in the truck who witnessed the events.

  133. CHRIS says:

    Travesty of justice.

  134. Scott says:

    Hit them where it hurts, boycott the entire state of NY, I am. This is bullshit. “Let Valor Not Fail”

  135. Ben James says:

    Point of Fact: There is no provision for pulling a vehicle over for a “random vehicle check”. A police officer can’t pull you over for ANY reason unless he has probable cause to do so. Speeding? He can’t search your vehicle unless he has probable cause to believe you’re violating another law. He can request permission, but without a search warrant, he’s not searching my car. Not that I have anything to hide…….but there *is* that pesky little thing called the 4th Amendment.

  136. charlie says:

    I am shocked and ashamed! Shocked that this happened right here in Watertown area. Definately show the adgenda of the sheriff. I also am ashamed that a local law enforcement did this. Every body in the state knows this was an illeagal bill and the Gov and legislators will answer for this. !st, 2nd, 4th and I’m sure the 5th admendment will be repeadedtly violated. Enough is enough. The law should be embarassed.

  137. Carroll says:

    A decorated combat veteran. Really????? Glad I don’t live there, and now I never will!

  138. Icke says:

    Good ,bad ,or indiferent. I’m glad Ya’ll are pay’n attention. Thank you for that. This so called “Safe Act” is unjust and will not stand {New York Civil Rights Law, Art2,Sec4}. No slam against the patron Saint Of Scotland. St. Andrew will not make it to the presidency due to the fact that like so many others he has attacked law abiding citizens.

  139. Kevin says:

    I would understand if the cops asked if he had any weapons in the car and he told them no, then found these magazines.. That would be a different story! I guess we will find out as more details come about.

  140. Abbie H. says:

    ignorance of the law of New York state is not a defense. Large capacity magazines have been outlawed there for over a decade. As for probable cause, illegal search and seizure, let me make a point. This guy simply experienced what black people, kids with long hair, and other minorities, have been experiencing for 20 years from the war on drugs. Sucks when it happens to your guy huh? While you were approving taking the rights of other Americans away under the guise of the war on drugs, which militarized the police– then the war on terrror, which took away the bill of rights, now you’re all up in arms about some idiot who thought he could carry illegal magazines in his car? Hoo boy!

    • Lance says:

      Amen Sister. You nailed. it.

    • bbbb says:

      dumb broad

    • SGT Low says:

      You are the idiot. For one, this has nothing to do with any kind of racial profiling. Second, there is a such thing as the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Using ones judgement as a law enforcement officer is sometimes more important than strictly upholding every single law. When it is obvious there is not intent to commit a crime or means to commit a crime ( No ammunition ) then you are wasting the courts time, the taxpayers money and causing problems for an individual that is obviously not a criminal or has any kind of criminal intent. Is ignorance of the law an excuse for not following the law, of course not. Any middle school kid could tell you that. Does this officer exhibit questionable judgement? Absolutely. You lady are bitter from some past experiences and on a witch hunt for anything white, it sounds like to me. Get over yourself.

    • Abbie H says:

      Ignorance and misogyny in 2 out of the 3 first replies? You guys are a credit to your cause.

      No one is addressing the 500 pound elephant in the room: Post-ban 30 round magazines are ILLEGAL in NY STATE, it doesn’t matter what the cop stopped him for, post 9/11 a cop can stop anyone for any reason and detain you (thanks Bush!).

      And regardless of what you think, veterans aren’t afforded more rights than the poorest, dumbest civilian.

      The part that grinds your gears is the same people who are now decrying government oppression via the 2nd amendment are the same ones who cheered for stricter drug laws under Reagan, and supported the Patriot act which traded liberty for safety. Now big old bad Obama merely suggests Congress revisit the AWB from 94-04, and your panties are all in a bunch and “we live in a police state.”

      Me thinks you doth protest too much. Is this not what you all wanted? We’ve been living in a police state for 30+ years, sorry you just noticed it now that it affected you.

      -Abbie Hoffmann

  141. Shaun says:

    Are you clowns serious…..? Quick fact check here… If you are in the military then you will have in your possession at some time or another 30 round magazines.. And for all the Leo’s out there that can’t use a little common sense in the U.s.a. Then go ahead and turn in your badge, do us a favor and GTFO of this country.

  142. Jerry says:

    Everyone is over reacting. The true story is this.
    The incident occurred in Mayberry. The deputy sheriff was Barney and Andy was on a day off. Incidentally, Barney could never get in trouble as he only carried one bullet.

  143. Lance says:

    Wise up men. If this dude had illegal stuff in his car and got popped for it, he’s responsible. And if you don’t like the law, change it. If he needs some money to pay for his lawyer, and the fund is legit, I’m in also. Even someone doing something stupid (and being a gun-toting veteran one would assume he has a higher level of understanding and responsibility) deserves help getting out of trouble. But this isn’t anyone’s “fault,” in any other country he might have been shot on the spot, here he has due process. Cops make arrests based on their judgement, sometimes they are way off base, that is life. Not the system. But if this has gone past the preliminary hearing and he was actually charged with a crime, there is MORE to the story than is stated. That is ALWAYS the case.

  144. ronald reagan says:

    “Ours was the first revolution in the history of mankind that truly reversed the course of government, and with three little words: ‘We the People.’ ‘We the People’ tell the government what to do; it doesn’t tell us. ‘We the People’ are the driver; the government is the car, and we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast. Almost all the world’s constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which ‘We the People’ tell the government what it is allowed to do. ‘We the People’ are free.” – Ronald Reagan, Presidential Farewell Speech, Jan. 11th, 1989

    • mom says:

      Iran Contra. Stfu.

  145. Gregg says:

    The law in NYS is that it is illegal to have more than a 10 round mag unless made before the 1993 AWB. The new ban brings it down to 7 rounds and no grandfather clause. But we have one year to either destroy them or sell them to someone outside of NYS. If you have a ten round mag (made before this ban) you may keep it but not load more than 7 rounds in it. These new laws here are the silliest laws yet. The fact that they even included the not loading more than 7 rounds in the law is just absurd. The best part of all is now we need to do a NICS background check just to buy a box of ammo. As if its not hard enough to get ammo right now. Now you need to wait upwards an hour to buy a 20 round box and its now illegal for residents to buy online. These new laws help no one and only hurt people like in this story. I am hopeful that the NRA finds the silver bullet to strike down this law. The state senators were given the law 20 minutes before they had to vote on it. I personally let my rep know that he lost my vote and I will knock him every chance I get, since he voted for the law and he is in the GOP. I told him he should run for his true party next time around b/c I dont think the party members will forget this.

  146. aurelius says:

    FOR THE LONG TERM:
    When will you people in NYS ever learn that you must force your state legislators to pass statute law preempting municipalities from passing any laws pertaining to firearms, or for that matter …taxation.

    New Jersey, Pennsylvania and other states have preemption so only the state can enact firearms laws.
    a.That eliminates hundreds of towns and counties from adding to the confusion.
    b. Gives the voting groups more power to shape the laws.
    c.Lays a groundwork for legal standing in suits against municipalities.

  147. Fred T says:

    Facts:

    1. Mr. Hassad was not currently engaged in active military service, respectively.

    2. Mr. Hassad was not on a military installation at the time of the arrest.

    3. Mr. Hassad was in possession of Five: 30 (Thirty, Three Zero, 10+20) round magazines, which were outlawed in 1994.

    4. The magazines were marked “Restricted LE/GOVT Use Only” which proves they were issued after 1994 (post ban and illegal since 1994 in NYS) and they also had date of manufacturing proving they were made after 1994.

    5. The new S.A.F.E. law Cuomo jammed down the peoples throats does not take effect regarding 7, SEVEN round magazine capacities until April 2013.

    6. A police officer in NYS has Zero, Zip, Nada, 000, discretion in making FELONY arrests, an arrest HAS TO be made when a FELONY crime is observed regardless of his beliefs about gun laws.

    7. Mr. Hassad was not randomly stopped, NOR at a roadblock, checkpoint etc. He was seen PARKED on the side of a back road, during the night time.

    8. Mr. Hassad was determined to be waiting for a guy to meet him on this back road to sell him the illegal magazines. Why didn’t they meet at a gun store?

    Speculations:

    1. Mr. Hassad is attempting to raise money and profit from his crime and utilize the anger over Cuomo’s new laws and exploit Hassad’s former military career by gaining support from military servicemen and women.

  148. DPQ says:

    Do NOT enter a plea.
    If you do then you accept the jurisdiction of the court.
    The govt is de-facto now so make this ‘debt collector corporation’ prove
    a) legitimacy
    b) authority
    c) jurisdiction

    Make them prove that they, as public servants, have taken oaths to uphold the Constitution FOR the PEOPLE of the united states of America and that they will FIRST uphold your natural law rights.

    Good luck

  149. Dennis A. Erkus says:

    Free Sgt Haddad. His arrest is a travesty on honest human beings.

  150. Tony says:

    Ridiculous!!!!!! How about some discretion? If it was a random check. If all credentials were good and all was in order with the Vet other than an error in judgement how about a warning and thanking him for his service. Some laws u can’t overlook but in this case a little common sense would have went a long way. I’m in law enforcement and I go home and sleep well at night knowing I target the real criminals.

  151. Rob says:

    Basically our government is doing exactly what Hitler did just before WWII. The lovely fools are making it easy for the criminals and will do nothing for the law abiding citizens , basic tyranny of the constitutional rights of every american.

  152. Cops77 says:

    As a police officer in NYS for over 20 yrs, I have had numerous opportunities to be in contact with military personnel and from personal experiences, most have been pleasant. Unfortunately I have also had my share of cocky assholes. i highly doubt this guy is the innocent party you all are portraying. I’m sure there is a lot more to this than what is being told and if a felony was in fact committed, discretion goes out the window, highly decorated veteran or not.

  153. Mike Larsen says:

    Sheriff Joe here in Maricopa County Arizona, would not ever arrest a law abiding citizen, let alone a decorated combat veteran. This is the Great State of Arizona where our civilans exercise their Second Amendment Rights with both concealed and open carry.
    Our officers uphold the Constitution, but, of course, this is not NEW YORK!!!

  154. Ellery Gotay says:

    “I,Retired Master Sergeant Ellery Gotay, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”

    • ticci says:

      Hey brother thanks for your svc. but if your planning on following this Obayme crowd until the make it or break it moment…feel sorry for you…if not “good on ya”.

  155. Poor Richard says:

    Greetings, while i disapgree with the assault weapons ban we must relaize that, as with any news article things can be taken out of context. AR-15 magazines are not allowed in NY if they are new than 1984 do not ask me why. I know that I had some to sell and i could not ship them to NY as i could not prove the date of manufacture. in stead of risking B.S. like this I kept them.

    we do not know why this guy was stoopped or what probable cause the officer had to search or if the guy just (stupidlly) gave consent. as an American citizen i absolutey refuse when a cop asks to search me or my car. i do not run drugs or guns but i am not going to let them look just the same. NEVER LET A COP SEARCH YOUR EFFECTS. period. i dont care if “you have nothing to hide” it is just not right to allow them to paw at your stuff.

    we do not know if this guy gave the cop a hard time.
    so when reading this article please realize that there is a lot of facts missing. and no offense to the people who wrote it, journaist have a tendancy to sensationalize a particlular point of view. this happens in about every article that you read in about every news source available. lets wait to see what the facts are before we pass judgement.

  156. Poor Richard says:

    To Rob,
    we do not have even close to what was going on prior to WW2 not even near the mark of Hitler. Hitler loosened gun laws, he wanted an armed citizenry, he needed them to be gun savy. Hitler did not even use body gaurds per se. there was no worry about him being shot by the people. Our type of government far from the type of government gernamy had at the time. not only to we have the federal government we have 50 individual governments. what one state does not make the whole nation . Obama has not outlawed the constituion nor could he. that has to come from congress. and it needs to be voted on by the senate. read the constituion. George W.Bush did more to harm the personal liberties of the American citizen than Obama. Bush gave us Homeland Security ,the TSA the Patriot Act, NDAA and he made the Coast Gaurd part of homeland security. Obama just wants responsible gun ownership. Bush wanted to protect the republican culture of slave labor an arm citizenry woukld threaten that.

  157. Eddie says:

    Well that is life in NYS…thanx Gov Cuomo you now made sure that the criminals of this state will be well armed as they always are no matter what kind of gun ban you enact. Now law abiding citizens who serve there country become targets of these laws…utterly ridiculous. I am ashamed to be a New Yorker after reading this. Most of my family have left this state, & I am determined to join them. I can no longer arm & protect myself as the 2nd Amendment allows & I also carry the largest TAX burden of any citizen in this country, thanx again NYS…but that’s another story.

  158. Bill says:

    What is a random vehicle check? are you just pulled over and searched at random? Sounds like that alone violated his 4th amendment rights before the idiotic arrest.

  159. Harold Swift says:

    After reading article and the comments, I say SCREW NY AND ALL IT’S OFFICIALS.

  160. Ken says:

    This would be an excellent test case for the courts. Hopefully the Supreme Court would put a stop to this nonsense once and for all. I’m sure that if he set up a fundraising website to hire an attorney he would get plenty of money.

  161. perry says:

    So have we now crossed the point of no return, have we realized we are not free anymore? When do we say enough? Why isn’t this nationally known?. But the real question is when are we going to stand up in force, when do we take back our freedoms. Thank God for the second amendment, its the one that let’s us protect our other rights. Please pray because we our heading down a long road. Things are only getting worse.

  162. Nevermissguy says:

    Probably 20 years or so ago, in Southern New York State, a State Trooper stopped a 70’s muscle car for a “routine traffic stop” because he wanted to see the car. Remember always hearing and reading about routine stops/checks? Have you noticed over the past 10 to 20 years, you no longer hear of them? That’s because the trooper arrested the driver for possession of a marijuana pipe, when he saw it in the car. The driver was convicted after trial. An appeals court battle ensued, with the defense pointing out the pipe would not have been seen had the trooper not stopped the car for no reason. The State Supreme Court agreed and tossed it, stating that routine traffic stops/checks, without a violation of law committed, are ILLEGAL. Perhaps this particular stop falls under that. If, after this is tossed, this hero soldier sues under violating his civil rights and wins, the guilty parties involved, MUST pay any awards to him by themselves. Out of their own pockets by law. Thus preventing officers from repeatedly violating people’s rights with nothing to lose. No PBA. City, Village, Town, County, State, insurance or any other entity can fund the award amount, thus teaching those involved a lesson. CHARGE!!!!!

  163. grunt says:

    Tnat is NY ,A ARM PIT OF THE u.s.

  164. Mom2Marine says:

    I don’t believe that his being pulled over and searched was random. This administration is after our true patriots – even more so our patriotic military men.

  165. Jorrg says:

    I think everyone against these unconstitutional laws should protest with an empty 30 rd clip in their hands, and I mean everyone!!

  166. Ben James says:

    Exactly!!!

  167. SGT Low says:

    Well written. I agree completely. Not that it matters whether I agree or not, that’s exactly how it is.

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