Was Doomsday Preppers used to convict another Prepper in Court?

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May 29, 2012 Posted by:

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A number of times in the past, I have warned about how dangerous I think T.V. shows like Doomsday Preppers are to the prepping community. In my opinion, these prepping shows do nothing to help people prepare and are designed to do only one thing – To make Preppers look like complete Wackjobs!

I hate to say I was right, but it seems the popular reality T.V. show about prepping is now being used to help obtain search warrants and convict preppers of crimes.

The case in question, involves a man from Kansas who was prepping for an economic collapse scenario. It seems law enforcement officials in Kansas used the T.V. show and images of preppers to not only obtain a warrant for a residents arrest, but also to convict the man of crimes in court.

Aflred Dutton, a military veteran and self-described prepper from Kansas, was convicted last month of making and storing explosive devices. While what he did may have been a crime, this story should serve as a warning to other preppers. USE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT WHEN IT COMES TO PREPPING……The fact that you prep can and will be used against you in the court of law.

The Basis for the Search Warrants states:

Mr. Dutton, a military veteran, has been preparing for the economic collapse of the world. In addition to gathering a large supply of non-perishable items, he also has a modest collection of firearms and ammunition. And he makes fireworks.

During the trial, the prosecution played clips from the popular National Geographic Channel show, “Doomsday Preppers”. The prosecution used images of various “crazy ass preppers” from the T.V. show to successfully paint a picture of Mr. Dutton, as someone on the fringe of society that posed an extreme danger to his community.

When promos like this are used to promote the show, is there any question that prepping will be used against you?

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  1. brett says:

    I am not sure i totally agree with all of this. I mean that video is surely strange and makes preppers look stupid. But the way i see it let people think you are crazy but keep it hidden enough that nobody really knows you are a prepper.

  2. Hugo says:

    This man from Kansas is not the first of the “Preppers” to have problems with law enforcement. Nor will he be the last….

    Prepping in the open does two things. One, it compromises all your prepping… Two, it will almost 100% guarantee that you will be labeled to Wing-Nut…

    People should do some research on what happens to preppers, and groups of preppers who are caught, and or labeled. It doesn’t end will in most cases.

    • DdayPredetor says:

      If you prep you better keep a lid on it. Its not your goverment preppers should fear its doomsday predetors. I am not a prepper. So i stock piled some serious fire power and two vehicals. One “fast” one “large”. My intentions would be to raid a pharmecy and stay on the move looting “preppers”. I am not a “bad guy” I simply do what i know. My area is not condusive to prepping nor is my wallet. Ive been trained to adapt and improvise and thats how i will keep my wife and daughter safe and fed. There is a group of us and preppers need to stay underground or risk losing all your hard work.

      • WOW says:

        Good luck keeping your wife and kids safe, even if you have a 50 cal turret welded onto a big@ss armored truck you and all of your friends are going to be murdered by the actual “bad guys”. If the SHTF seriously you are not going to mad max your way out of it, you will die just like 99% of everyone that decides to go on a violent looting rampage, probably at the hands of other people with the same idea as you. Crap like this makes me really sad…

      • whatnow says:

        Let’s just say you somehow do succeed in looting and keeping your family safe. One day you are going to run out of preppers to loot and realize there is no more food to steal and you have no idea how to obtain more. You will have kept your family safe only to watch them slowly die a miserable death from starvation. Save a few bullets. It might be more humane.

      • mfh says:

        Bring it. I know the people I hang with are all vets. We will own you, take your stuff and share it with others. LOL

      • Trane says:

        …don’t mean to ruin your handle, but it’s Predator…

      • T-Bag says:

        Preppers are going to have to live like the French Underground during WW2. I don’t care what you’re packing, you’re not going to survive walking around like Mad Max or the Lone Ranger. There is strength in numbers and in addition to getting our individual houses in order, we are going to have to form groups or tribes to ward off the have-nots coming after the haves…it’s how the human race has survived for millenniums..

      • Susan P says:

        Wow, you say you are not a “bad guy” yet you intend on robbing, and perhaps killing, honest people who have prepared? What if you had sacrificed to prepare to feed your children in an emergency and a bunch of looters came along and took it by force? You’d be in the right to defend your stores and kill the looters as difficult as that would be for “good guys.” I suggest that you find someone who has the room and some money that can prep and you barter or work for a place to bug out to rather than justifying the acts that you are planning.

      • Defense is the best offense says:

        You can prepare to take what is not yours. Those who prepared will be ready to stop you.

        • sean says:

          Its Law of The Jungle when doomsday happens and u guys arent sure that he doesnt have a “base” where food is being grown and such

  3. Dave says:

    Does anyone else feel like the government wants you helpless. I get so sick of the stereotypical way that anyone with guns, explosives, ammo, stock piles of supplies is somehow a threat to everyone else. I don’t know anyone like this that pose any kind of threat to anyone. They generally stick to themselves. I think that show was to make preppers looks crazy. It’s sad to think you can’t do all in your power to protect your family anymore without being persecuted by the left mainstream media.

    • Jake says:

      Of course they do. We’re cattle to them. They’re not interested in us developing our “critical thinking,” that’s why they’re not big on education. They want dumb, loyal, hard workers to keep their action going. Watch what they come after next…our social security…they will demonize those that will endanger their existence by calling them “nutjobs” and “terrorists”…DHS has labeled Preppers as potential terrorists, while FEMA encourages people to stockpile for emergencies…WTF?

  4. Rev. says:

    I didn’t agree at first but now I do. I thought the show would be a nice “How to” with plenty of tips but it really is just another reality TV hit piece.

    There was a mantra in the 40’s , “loose lips sink ships.”

    Most preppers are preparing for an out of control government. Why then would anyone give their enemy a detailed layout of their “COMPOUND” (Christ I hate that word)? It is like daring them to raid you and they will for no other reason than the fact that they can and they will use their propaganda machine to paint you as a danger to yourself and others to justify any and all actions against you.

    I guess the moral here is that when the government turns the crank on their hurdy gurdy in the form of state run television, DON”T BE THE DAMN MONKEY!!!!

    • Castlemum says:

      My family served in the armed forces and one main thing that was taught to me was… “when it comes to fighting, or protection, don’t let the enemy know your strategy.” Stay in camouflage mode and keep the trap shut.

      These shows were originally made to get a radar on the prepper/survival groups due to the Occupy movement. But unfortunately, the powers that be sugar coated the true agenda. Now we have more shows to contend with and infiltrate, Doomsday bunkers, and two others that are being produced. Not to help us, but to weed us out of the flocks. Keep an eye on those wolves for they will weed out the weak and unknowing straglers. Those weak are the ones who prefer their minute of fame but don’t see the concequences afterward.

  5. Charity says:

    I don’t really know why people went on the show to begin with. Why would you want people to know? Guess where I’m going if something happens…to these preppers’ homes! I don’t understand why you would tell the whole world??

  6. billyBA says:

    Plus they probably monitor who watches the sho

  7. jamey says:

    Preppers have been around way before the tv show ever was. From the show, it helped open a common interest with so many are feeling. For that I belive its a good thing. If you have watched any of the episodes, you didnt see everything these preppers had. They even made that clear. Not to mention the show only showed whst they want. I learned this by having a dicussion from somebody who appeared on the show. However, every story shown you can find knowledge and information, to utilize for your gain. You are always going to have crazies, extremists in any group or category of interest. I personlly would rather somebidy be real, stand up with whag they feel is right and not hide behind closed doors to the publuc and our government. Dont we need people to stand up with they beleve in? Better yet help educate to those unknown with limited resources and knowledge?

  8. Drew says:

    Ignore what the TV show was trying or not trying to do and read the story. That guy was building pipe bombs. He wasn’t arrested for a lot of guns or storing food he was bulding pipe bombs and blowing them up on national TV.

    When I watched this particular episode I asked my wife if I had just seen that correctly, because in my eyes he pretty much signed the search warrant himself.

    • G.I. Joe says:

      I don’t think the guy in this story was ever on the Doomsday Preppers Show. The guy you are talking about from the show was never arrested because the whole pipe bomb thing was staged event by the show producers. They were not real pipebombs but dummy props for the show. The guy on the show is know as Mr. Wayne this guy in the story is Aflred Dutton

      REREAD THE STORY!!! The show was used to make him look crazy by showing clips of various preppers from the show.

  9. Tim says:

    I have maintained from the beginning of this “show” that it was nothing but an attempt to try and snooker preppers into thinking that they had made the “big time”, and to come out more in the open — and thereby ID themselves to the gov’t thugs just waiting to go after such types.

    Of course, I was right, and all of my friends who just *LOVE* the show are wrong. People are sometimes stupid beyond redemption.

  10. ajhnson says:

    This is why I don’t say anything to anybody and I certainly don’t shop at any one specific place for my prepping needs. Always pay cash and use my garage to shield any visual from the public eye when unloading prep-ware. People just have to be smart about these things but unfortunately they aren’t. The way I see it is “whose business is it”? I think a lot of these people just want to be on t.v.

  11. G.I. Joe says:

    I agree, the show is filled with a bunch of people who want to become famous and I doubt most of them are even really preppers. The whole show is staged by the producers and edited to make everyone look crazy.

    You are also right on about paying in cash and never letting anyone know what you have.

  12. M.S. Danz says:

    Anytime you go on a show and say you have got X amount of guns and X amount of ammo for an army, there’s gonna be knock at your door. If you don’t want people to know don’t go on a show and if you do go expect a knock at the door. Fallowed by words ATF we have a warrant

  13. S J West says:

    I knew this would happen! I just knew they would turn this all around and go after these preppers,never trust Hollywood and never forget how much they are in bed with the government.

  14. Tim Harp says:

    OPSEC. That is all I am going to say about this subject.

  15. Selfreliant says:

    Have any of you considered many of the DDAY preppers agreed to appear on the show to awaken the American people?….and it worked. The movement is growing daily by the thousands. Several that appeared knew they would be mocked and agreed to do it despite the blowback. Rather than being fearful about what the establishment tries to portray or impose, ban together. This type of article only perpetuates the fear and criticism. The movement is growing despite Hollywood’s failed attempts to mock… Why? Those that are awake and have half a brain see past the attempts. This blog is most likely monitored…your IP pinged when you posted your comments. Better shut it down — and not comment about anything! “They” will have you exactly where they want you. Silenced.

    • AMEN!!

      • harold s says:

        amen keep quite do your own thing

  16. Selfreliant says:

    ALWAYS SEEK THE FACTS> Mr. Dutton has been charged in the Superceding Indictment with knowingly possessing destructive devices, more fully described as five incendiary bombs (Count I) and nine grenades (Count II), in violation of 26 U.S.C. §§ 5841, 5845(a)(8), (f)(1), and 5861(d).

    The source of information for the storage unit search warrant came from Joe Scott, Mr. Dutton’s ex-wife’s boyfriend. Mr. Scott often came to Mr. Dutton’s apartment to pick up Mr. Dutton’s daughter for her visitation. During these visits, Mr. Dutton and Mr. Scott discussed firearms, fireworks, and other explosives. There have been disputes between Mr. Dutton and his ex-wife Sabrina Dutton. Mr. Dutton testified that she sought sole custody of their daughter. Ms. Dutton testified that she did not seek sole custody of their daughter, but that she did request a temporary restraining order against Mr. Dutton after he threatened her.

  17. stray says:

    ya know i learned alot in my homeless dope addict days – – the govt can take away all my guns my property -my vehicles and a bunch of what ever stores and everything i got left –many would say your phucked at this point we;ll as long as i still have liberty and freedom to travel – i have the knowledge of “how to” i learned were to get cheap or free – and underground or black market – and i learned wear to get food – trnsportation -and also how to operate without cash or money – so when they swoop and im still free after – i will “ghost ” and disapear into the woodwork and – somewhere down the road apear as someoneelse somewhere else and have it together -thats what you learn when you lose everytrhing a few times over . im working on a book called “darker days survival – off of booktango .com it afr from ready – but it will show how a homless jobless person after financial disaster builds up from scratch and not only does this without a job – but also sets up a system to avaiod hard hits again -and when you have everything together -and “crap destroys and takes away eveything you can rebuild again and again and again legally and all without a 9-5 job – and all without goovt aid-wish me luck :}

  18. Prepping Preacher says:

    i think there’s something more damning in all this than whether or not preppers are considered nut-jobs or if the TV show clips are used against someone in court… issue goes far deeper and that is the assembly of case law against preppers in general… think about it, with enough case law behind them, tptb can make prepping illegal from every aspect making every one of us criminals… using TV only taints public opinion which in turn taints jurors decision-making… after all, they saw it on TV didn’t they??? so that makes it true… we’re a very dangerous “fly in the ointment” for them because while the masses of sheeple are included in the phrase “we, The People”, it’s “We, The Preppers” who live by that phrase… discredit and criminalize us and the sheeple will continue to follow the guberment pipers to the fema camps…

  19. Bravo Pete says:

    SO glad that someone else gets it. Reality 101; “Prepping” isnt new…just the metro sexual word replacement for survivalist. (Nothing wrong with metro). They use a Jerry Springer type cross section of American public to boost interest while actually making fun of the folks they deem as “Preppers”. Or else its the slick up and coming business folks that are using this as a (semi) covert product placement. Think about it- a “prepper” that doesnt know basic firearms safety that Cub Scouts can recite?! Not carring any of his own first aid equip (but has a truck load of gear he sells on the internet). Look at all the product placements on many of the episodes. I’m not being negative…(There is NO room for that if your a survivalist.) Just want people to know DOOMS DAY PREPPERS is simply Jerry Springer and infomertials cleverly rolled into one. Its great entertainment..laugh, talk and have a great time with your family while watching it.

    • Bravo Pete says:

      Thanks for reading! Feel free to reply with intelligent comments.

  20. Adam says:

    That’s why you should never speak publicly about anything you do, especially if you’re a prepper. Do not post any videos or pictures online with your guns, ammo, food, precious metals, or make any kind of statements regarding anything. Keep things to yourself, keep your head down, and keep on prepping.

  21. Nam Marine says:

    If you are stupid enough to be on this program, you get what you get!

  22. Kamikaze Cowboy says:

    DUMBASS goes on national tv anouncing what he is doing is ILLEGAL then proceeds to blow shit up in his yard and wonders WTF did I get arrested. STUPID MORON

  23. milsurpgeek says:

    I still dont understand why people prepare for the end of the world, or whatever their goal idea of it is, then say things like “My bunker etc is securely hidden” then they show you their house, town, and where the bunker is. If you go on doomsday preppers and allow your face,real name, town, and serious plans to be shown without first having your identity protected then you deserve looting, arrest( if you are doing something you shouldn’t be), and for everything you worked so hard to achieve to fail. If you think it is a good idea to show where your vehicle is, what you look like, or (in this case) that you are making pipe bombs illegally then you deserve everything you get because you mass advertised it. I know I will make a darn good attempt at raiding any of the doomsday preppers I run into…if the rest of the people who watch the show don’t get to them first that is. :)

  24. 275rangerrod says:

    You have to admit, most of the people they show on preppers are whack jobs. They make the rest of the prepper world look like we’re crazy as shit house rats. If you’re stupid enough to be on the show then you get what you deserve. Amazing how security goes right out the window when a camera is in their face.

  25. Frankly, your blog and others like it infuriates me! You are so committed to your misguided doctrine that you are missing the real issue here. He wasn’t arrested because of the show–he was arrested because he was STUPID on the show–there’s a big difference. And I’m so sick and tired of hearing all of the crap that these people are loons, idiots, and are guilty of violating OPSEC!
    Anyone who believes that has been watching way too many Rambo movies!

    Know this, NO ONE will survive if they do not PLAN to help others and incorporate charity into their self-reliance lifestyle–period! You want less people to take care of, then you HELP more people learn how to do it right, right now. Your diatribe here does nothing of the sort.

    I suppose only the bad guys can use mass media like television and magazines to get their message out, but the good guys who are genuinely trying to help others should just keep to themselves and be hermits?

    And while there clearly were some people who made it VERY easy to be portrayed as whack jobs, the only insane thing about preppers is that they are the odd man out in society in the face of everything that is going on and that WILL CONTINUE to take place.

    • late but catchin up says:

      Your absolutely right, knowledge HAS to be passed on, you just don’t have to be stupid by showing or doing illegal things. Preppers have a duty to try to wake up others and share knowledge. I got info out of the show and am thankful, here’s some more bad news to many of you, the government probably already has info on you right from this web site, including me, I’m not going to live in fear I will live as I see fit, period. Keep up the good fight to the best of your God given abilities!!!!!!!

  26. Kaweah Partisan says:

    I was contacted by the producers of this show. I turned them down with out even giving it consideration. Only a fool holds a show and tell party concerning what he has done to fight tyranny and to survive prepping….with out exception the folks I saw on that show were posers and wannabees with zero wisdom.

  27. JJ Johnson says:

    Great Article! I had not heard about this, but I remember watching the show and saying to my wife “I can’t believe he just made and detonated a pipe bomb on National TV”. Bottom line is that you can have explosive devices but they are currently regulated and you have to register them and get the proper tax stamp through the ATF / etc in order to have them. Whether or not the law is correct is up for debate, but it did look like he broke the law from what I remember. Just my two cents and it’s probably worth less than half that much. Cheers JJ

  28. Barbara says:

    This is a wake up call. What ever we do make sure it is legal where you live. Do it in a way it is legal.

  29. Abe says:

    While I agree with this article based on a number of factors, I also have to sratch my head in wonder. I understand the Natgeo show is on television, but it you read blogs like this, or OWN them than you are in just as much danger as they are. Besides, do you think the banner of this website would be anymore comforting than the tagline to that show? Lets be honest here.

    I don’t know. I guess I might be passed the point of being fearful as to what may, or may not happen, but I do know this. In my opinion people that follow our particular life style may want to think of sticking together a little more. I completely agree with previous posts stating that the information we share amoug each other should be available to the masses. It would be a diservice to take it to your grave, and the more people that are prepared around you the better.

    In the end it is obvious that doing anything illegal is a bad thing. Sometimes though I think that opsec conerns, while valid, are a little overstated in this community. With the attitude that some have here I am surprised that you would even have the internet at all. To maintain true opsec that is what would have to be done, along with the elimination of many other services that most take for granted.

  30. Orcinus says:

    DHS recently bought 45 million rounds of .40 cal HP ammo.

    Think they bought all that to defend you?

    NOW who’s is a prepper?

    • Terry Woebegone says:

      Agreed. All this prep means nothing when the army or SWAT team shows up and tells you to get in the truck. Tubby lady with a hand gun won’t have much of a chance.

  31. Sekretiv Skwirrel says:

    The paranoid and the crazy is strong with many of the posters here.

  32. ener your name here.... ME says:

    I am new to all this and have not even began to prep for anything. I only have about a week worth of food in my house and NO guns at all.No water stored and No way of understanding how to take care of myself or my family in ANY event. THATS MY STORY AND I’M STICKIN TO IT.

    • Jimmy says:

      Man you may not survive the next ice storm that shuts things down. I don’t think that there will be an end to the world as we know it but they will be localized disasters. Take what happened in India with over 600 million people all of a sudden without power. Things do happen.

    • Melissa says:

      Its not that hard to start, I started with making sure we could make it 3 days with no power or heat in the dead of winter if need be. Then I extended that slowly to a month and then 3 months and now I’m working on a year’s supply. I have a very small home with NO storage space other than normal kitchen cabinets. No basement or attic at all. Everyone starts somewhere even if its buying a box of powdered milk, a couple cans of spam, a gallon of water and a box of extra band aids.
      That show does make preppers look like but jobs but they will continue to air it as long as people watch it! The guy arrested was NOT they guy from the show, clips from the show were used to paint a picture for the court of what a “Prepper” is. His stupidity was doing something illegal to begin with and then flapping his gums about it to his ex’s BF of all people!
      You can prep without doing anything illegal and be just fine. Besides you can make that kind of stuff from household products that are not illegal to purchase. Knowledge will be your best asset because if you know how to do things and what you can improvise with what you have. Think duct tape and bubble gum not tanks and grenades! The best defenses and offensives are always the one the enemy does not expect or see coming!!!

  33. Bea says:

    Please understand Mr. Dutton was harmless. The GW County sheriffs department and county attorney just love these witch hunts of people they deem different. Beware!!!!! serve and protect isnt the motto anymore. Which leave one option YOU have to protect yourself and family. Bottom you have the right to prepare however you feel just keep your mouth shut.

  34. Lynnie says:

    Being a more mainstream suburban Mom, I have a very different take on the show. I appreciated it because in conjunction with Katrina and now Sandy, I am starting to think and prepare better for emergencies. Media is sensationalist, even if it is NatGeo, but I have always believed it takes the extreme fringe groups in any situation to make the mainstream think.

  35. Nom Deplume, Esq. says:

    As an attorney and prepper, I was quite surprised at how open so many were with the more questionable details of their preps. In virtually every episode of Doomsday Preppers, I saw obvious criminal and civil code violations. And there are also potential violations that can be applied during periods of unrest that are not presently enforceable. A SHTF scenario doesn’t mean the end of our legal system or its enforcement mechanisms. Further, preppers are viewed with a great deal of suspicion by those in government. All of this should give preppers pause and seek affordable legal advice. Insofar as there are few, if any, resources for such advice, I am toying with the idea of writing a legal guide for preppers. If there are any topics of interest to the prepping community, (many are obvious but some may not be so I am reaching out), feel free to email me.

    • joe says:

      Problem is that almost anything is illegal, in the right situation, if it doesn’t fall in line. Many things that are illegal probably will never be enforced unless you’re unpopular. Which of course you are if you’re the political enemies of the likes of a future Gestapo.

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