Missouri Government caught sending Private Data on Gun Owners to Department of Homeland Security

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The Missouri Department of Revenue, who issues concealed carry permits in Missouri, may have been caught transmitting private information on Concealed Carry Permit Holders to the Department of Homeland Security.

Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder held a press conference to announce his involvement in an attempt to stop the Missouri Department of Revenue (DOR) from transmitting this private data to the Federal Government. The data transmission was discovered after a Missouri Resident Eric Griffin’s Concealed Carry permit was denied when he refused to let the DOR scan and transmit his private data to the Feds.

According to LT. Gov. Kinder, this information is not only being turned over to the fed, but also to a private agency in another state. Both actions are specifically prohibited by State Law, and seem like yet another attack on law-abiding gun owners.

Kinder, and the Stoddard County Prosecutors, filed legal actions against the Missouri Department of Revenue; late today that action resulted in a temporary restraining order being issued that will force the DOR to stop transmitting this private information to the Feds.

Kinder released a Press Release that said:

“This case has issues of statewide importance implicating serious privacy concerns for law-abiding citizens. These folks have followed the letter of the law and been approved for concealed carry by the proper authorities. They must not be required to share that information with any third parties or the federal government.”

In my opinion, this is just another example of why gun registration is a very dangerous thing to allow. Nowhere in the Constitution are we required to register our weapons, or apply for any sort of permit to carry them. In fact, the second Amendment itself should be our conceal carry permit.

The Orwellian nature of this Missouri program highlights our need to be vigilant when it comes to suggestions of further gun registrations and legislation. The farther we allow them to go down this road, the easier it becomes for them to implement their ultimate agenda of gun confiscation.

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  1. Jim says:

    As disturbing as the reporting to DHS is, the reporting to “another private agency in another state” is infuriating. Mwkes you wonder which other states are doing the same underhanded crap.

    • Molen Labe says:

      Exactly!!! I hope this launches a large scale investigation because I have no doubt this is going on in more than just Missouri. The article is dead on and is the exact reason I will never apply for a conceal carry or any other form of registration.

      • Den says:

        I took the firearms training class but haven’t applied for the CCW permit for exactly this reason. The Constitution is my carry permit. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

        • Deb says:

          Mine is at the Sheriff’s office already approved and I’m freakin’ scared to go get it! Bama is Conservative but MY county is not. We just knocked down our mayor’s effort to be able to take guns as she sees fit. IF we went by our Constitution, we wouldn’t even NEED a permit to carry anyway. WHY did we all ever start allowing them to make us get permits to start with?! They have brought all this on us a little at a time and now we are in a world of mess! “O” is gonna see to it that Christians and Conservatives are enemies of the state, one way or another so we may as well just carry our guns anyway!

          • Allen says:

            You must be in Guntersville?

    • Illhunter says:

      50 to 1 its Missouri’s gun hating neighbor Illinois. Oh please let it be so, another target for Illinois Gun Owners Wrath. Expost the bastards, prosecute the criminals and extoll the whistleblower.

      • Jon says:

        Look how well Chicago gun laws are working for our good neighbor! How’s that list working for them. Criminals don’t care about laws do they.

    • Bob says:

      Jim. Will the FEDS be required to destroy this info. and if so who will oversee the destruction?

      • Umpa Lord says:

        Ahaha surly you jest. Once they have e-copies its permanent. I support enterprise backup solutions and once on disk/tape its there forever.

        • SunwolfNC says:

          Then surely you don’t know how what you say you support works.

      • Dave B says:

        The movie Red Dawn depicted an invasion by a hostile nation hell bent on taking the U.S. over. One of the first things the commander ordered was to “go to the sporting goods store and collect all of the form 4473′s. That will give us a list of all the gun owners”.
        Those forms are supposed to be destroyed after 3 years, but we all know it is a federal form and the feds want to know.
        Let me digress a moment… The other day I was watching a ‘fair and ballanced’ news program. They showed a clip of a woman who’d survived being raped who held a ccw permit but her piece was at home because it wasn’t allowed on the college campus where she attended. This was in Colorado and was speaking to the state legistature. The state representative (female, name escapes me) D-Co was giving the young woman a dressing down about how it would be irresponsible to allow guns on campus. She then later apologised to the young lady in the hallway. now let me see if I got this right. The representative got her left winged opinion on the record so her constituancy is satisfied, and then got her true self unseen by the cameras, recordings, etc revealed to thr young lady in the form of a hallway apology.
        going back to the forms… I beleive this administration has proven time and again, tell them what they want to hear then do what you want anyway.
        There will be no destruction therefore no need for oversight.

        • Andrew C says:

          The Rep was Evie Hudak (d) Westminster. There is an active recall movement against her. Those hearings were nothing but a dog and pony show…

    • hambone says:

      Think Big Picture. This is proof that DHS is compiling a secret National Gun Registry.

    • Joe Clark says:

      I would love to know who from the government ordered this.

      • Ronnie says:

        I beleive it was Truman that had a sign on his desk saying.. “The buck stops here”.
        They say the captain goes down with the ship. Who’s the captain of the US America? 3 guesses, the first 2 don’t count.

    • USDL says:

      From the YouTube video: “… and to a private vendor in Atlanta GA”

    • jerry says:

      i bet nobody gets fired for these unconstitutional invasions

  2. Craig says:

    It’s to bad the main stream government propoganda machine will never let this be properly investigated or reported.

  3. deerie says:

    I would like to know where these two actions are prohibited by state law. When I write my congressmen, I want to be totally informed and able to cite where it is written.

    We need to be politically active, but we need to be more informed — heresay will not work, we need evidence and data..

    • Cynthia says:

      Google it! The laws should be available online for free, along with any addresses you might need. BUT, I’m sure every citizen who sends a letter will go right in some other data bank showing them as dangerous 2nd amendment supporters. There may not be a law protecting you when you mail unsolicited documents to a state representative. Hmmm

      • Illhunter says:

        Screw that fear of lists, get on every list, everyone! I know which list I will never be on, the list of corrupt government officials!

      • victoria says:

        FYI there is no need for those laws as they(the fed government) are all ignoring thier own law which makes it FEDERALLY ILLEGAL to have a registry of any gun owner or sale or transfer or any of the like. And yes I have a reference it is Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926

        • Tom says:

          Note that at one point the law was amended to alter the reference “Secretary” to “Attorney General”. That change may not have been senseless years ago when we had a sane AG, but with Holder or his successors under this President, that makes this law effectively of no use because the current justice department has demonstrated their contempt for the rule of law. They would certainly not want to follow this one given their current crusade against gun owners.

    • cls says:

      Deerie, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! NEVER just depend on others to do what you as a citizen should willingly do and know! You are correct that we must ALL be informed. Make it your priority to inform yourself!
      The more we know, the more liberty we can re-gain!

      • Ken M says:

        re-gain liberty ? never happen ,we let it go to far now . I’m 70 and have watched it wittled down over the years , fighting it all the way to no avial.

    • Gonzo says:

      Section 571.101 Subsection 8 of Missouri Statutes specifies that all personal information collected as part of the driver’s or nondriver’s license shall have the same personal protection.

      The legal question hinges upon whether DOR has the right to send DHS all driver/nondriver license information. That section of statute is far more complex than I can casually research. The federal DPPA has an allowance for such transfers for “the purpose of the government agency’s carrying out its functions” but state law prohibiting could supersede that, or they could demonstrate that keeping a list of law abiding citizens doesn’t fit the purpose of homeland security.

    • ARIZONA says:

      deerie,TRY reading “THE DICK ACT OF 1902″ it forbids any and all gun laws,not only that,but it can’t be repealed,it can’t be changed and goes on forever,all government officals know it,this law was written to protect americans from the government who would take their NATIONAL GUARD to fight in foreign countries leaving them at the mercy of foreign invaders attacking america,and a reinforcement to the 2th amendment of US constitution,thats why it can’t be changed,or removed,and ANYONE VIOLATING the dick act is guilty of treason,ITS been hidden from americans for years……………..

  4. L SHANKLES says:

    I THINK THIS GOVERNMENTIS THE MOST DISPICTABLE BUNCH OF FOOLS IN THE WORLD. THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED TO THE EXTENT OF THE LAW. THEY ARE BREAKING THE PRIVACY ACT LAW AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF SORRY BUTT TRASH. THEY SHOULD ALL BE FIRED AND JAILED.

    • James James says:

      Thank you, paid shill who tries to make gun rights folks look bad.

  5. ML Duffy says:

    Homeland Sec.?????? Ours in AL is sent to FBI for background checks, but Homelnd. Sec??? Who in D.C. has less business with this info?

  6. Mike says:

    This pisses me off extremely! The only 3rd party I can think of in Georgia is a national data base used by insurance companies. So what better way for the insurance companies to already know what you have, in case Missouri tries to enact a law requiring you to carry liability insurance on each weapon you own. Just think outside of the box; universal background checks will not work unless they have universal registration.

  7. Mabel says:

    What “private data” are you talking about?

  8. terry says:

    Privacy is finished. Before Roe v. Wade there was no such Right as privacy. The “Right of Privacy” was invented out of whole cloth and in the shadow of a penumbra because Harry Blackmun’s daughter had to drop out of college to have a baby.

    The only Right that they might stand up for and recognize is your pipsqueak right to remain silent, but if you invoke that they withhold your right to work, to shelter, to government services, to healthcare, to travel on common carriers or get license, send children to school, do business with a bank, a brokerage, or an insurance company, buy a burial plot, or leave anything to your heirs. Nice Privacy Right we have, my fellow Americans!

  9. rick hihath says:

    love your country but dont EVER trust your goverment

  10. Patricia Lawson says:

    Funny thing……nobody has ever even mentioned KNIVES! How many people are stabbed to death & not shot every day? Perhaps we need conceal/carry on our butter knives too! LOL The fed gov may need to think about this! I can see getting pulled over & my lunch box searched for my butter knife, then hauled off to jail for carrying a concealed weapon! Just saying….

  11. Roger says:

    The back room and back door deals that are made are traitorous in all cases. These and all traitors deserve prosecution and hanging. Giving your information is traitorous and the leak has to be found and removed. WHO did this?
    All of the gun owners need to declare themselves to be members of their states militia. The militia members super sceed the DHS, DOJ and all police forces. We are not accountable to anyone but we are responsible to care for the citizenry of the United States especially the state inwhich they reside. Look up “state militia requirements” on the internet but don’t use Google. We are being invaded by politicians that pass laws that have no right to pass because they exempt themselves from the laws. The Storm is forming, form a militia if none exists in your area. Each citizen when not in their group is still a militia unto himself. Resist tyrany!

  12. Burt Broadway says:

    Can you tell me if South Carolina shares it’s concealed carry permits with the Department of Homeland Security?

    • Always Assume the Worst says:

      I wouldn’t doubt it and it wouldn’t surprise me. They are putting together the largest database of gun owners that has ever existed. Then they will systematically begin confiscation.

      This is just the beginning.

      • Jon says:

        The darkest day in American will be that day and this nation will be no more.

  13. enough is enough says:

    get to work

  14. Juanita says:

    Homeland security has enough weapons for an arsenal. Now they are getting our gun permits and probably registration. So they know where to focus first. Why do we have that department. Expand the FBI and get rid of this department and save millions. I do not trust any of them.

    • reiser says:

      Registration? What registration? Are you talking guns,if so why are you registering your guns and to who? When you go buy a gun that isn’t registration, that’s a background check on you to see if your legal to own said gun.

      • Dad says:

        Every time a firearm is purchased you have to fill out paperwork recording the Serial Number, Make, Model, Calibur, Purchaser name, address, date of birth and so on. If that isn’t registration then what is.

        • JT says:

          It’s not being registered. When they do the background check, the FBI is only told whether the firearm is a pistol or rifle. The retailer keeps the paperwork with the serial number for their records.

          • Dan says:

            That info must be kept by the seller in order to keep their FFL and must be available at any time for federal inspection . FFL sellers must be able to account on paper or private collection where every gun they have purchased has went and your info will be on file . However it is not to be used as a national registry but the info is there for the taking nonetheless .

        • John Sitton says:

          the registration at time ofpurchase is only describing the long or short gun. those records are to be kept for length of time. sorry for my buddy but his shop burned to the ground and all my records with it

          • sherman says:

            If new guns are not registered then why is a test round fired and saved with the serial# of the weapon attached? And no that empty casing you got with the gun was not to prove that it works!!!

  15. Doris Pierce says:

    The 2nd Ammendment is our gun permit–”The right to keep and bear arms”! We have the constitutional right to carry a gun for protection and self-defense of ourselves and our loved ones.

  16. rick says:

    i sure hope everybody will make an undetered effort,next election ,to know where you candidates stand on all issues,and vote these bastards out,who insist on ifringing on our rights.

    • Spiritof1776 says:

      I absolutely agree Rick. The only sure result of the 1994-2004 awn is that every elected official that voted for it was voted out of office in the following elections. They seem to have forgotten – we must remind them it seems. Local elections are what matter the most and I will never vote on a candidate if I am not informed of their positions on the issues that mean the most to me.

      • Spirit of1776 says:

        AWB*

  17. SNIPER says:

    What these far left gimme what you got gun stealing tax raising sobs, do not understand is that we are not going to give up our guns. They seem hell bent on starting a war they can not win. Permit or not i will carry my gun.

  18. Don Courtney says:

    What with this, expect answers

  19. Susan says:

    If there a revolution; we wont need a permit

  20. johnjack says:

    they all need to go. revolution, revolution, revolution by any means be it by vote or phisical rebelion. do not elect any lawer, seek out mathmaticions. How I wish Thomas Sowell was our president. A black man with more common sense than anyone I know

  21. Won't be long now... says:

    States seem to be folding left and right around the offer of federal money in exchange for stiffer gun laws and gun registration. I suspect every state is doing the exact same thing. Matter of point, I would assume each state is doing the exact same thing.

    It’s getting close. I wonder how much more the American people will take.

  22. Aaron Miller says:

    “The data transmission was discovered after a Missouri Resident Eric Griffin’s Concealed Carry permit was denied when he refused to let the DOR scan and transmit his private data to the Feds.”

    So, they asked a private citizen for permission to transmit his information to the feds. the thing they were supposedly doing in secret. Why hasn’t any other CC permit applicant been asked this, ever? Something doesn’t add up about this story.

    No comments from DHS. No comments from MODOR.

    Lastly, Peter Kinder. The guy that doesn’t go to strip clubs like the Diamond Cabaret in Saint Louis because he’s a Christian – oh, he just stopped in to take a pee and have a glass of wine, that’s why there’s pics of him with that stripper.

    • Clear as mud says:

      What dose this have to do with the argument?? Sounds like your another government paid crony, trying to character assassinate. Worry about the bigger picture.

    • A conservative says:

      I agree Aaron. A little research makes this story very suspect.
      * The earlier versions of this story make allegations, but this makes it sound like fact.
      * If you’ve renewed your license recently, you know that licenses are now printed by a vendor in the state of Georgia.
      * Look up a copy of the lawsuit (its public) – the third party in Georgia is just the vendor that prints Missouri driver licenses – of course they need the information, and they’re required to keep it confidential.
      * If the Georgia vendor were to share it with federal agencies, as the lawsuit alleges, I strongly suspect the Georgia vendor would be the one in violation of the law.

      This story looks like allegation and conjecture blown out of proportion.

  23. dan says:

    the whole dept should be fired and tried in court for violating state law…and again…. we are ALL on a list some where already…if you have ever bought a gun,been in the military,been arrested…or voted…as we see various events unfold around the nation…even a blind person is getting ready…for many will go out standing tall…the rest will be on their knees….God bless the Republic

  24. church says:

    YOU know I think………I would like some more chicken stew …dam I’m a good cook….

  25. Rabid Cat says:

    Something very wrong in modern America. Judging by mainstream global media (cept perhaps RT et al) of US events, you’d think everything is just fine stateside. Much evil afoot. Cheers from the South Pacific.

  26. Nalejbank says:

    When will enough people wake up and get involved in running for office, helping to select good candidates to run, take control of one or both major political parties from the entrenched collectivist forces and help get elected the right members to Congress and even White House?
    Reach out and educate! Work with others for good!
    Thank you Lt. Gov. Kinder!!!

  27. Joehale says:

    As a commercial truck drive I can tell you we go through exstensive security checks.and one of those is checking for firearms.from the time the dot stops for a check the first thing they ask is weapons issued.we are already in the system.before they ever check your id.they know everything about you.and now ive noticed the truck stop points cards also know all your info and your name when they slide your card.its not a secret anymore.

  28. Roger Ruth says:

    This is a very DANGEROUS act that this state has (is) doing and I’m very glad to see the TRO issued. What Missouri is going to accomplish by doing this is cause a backlash that none of them want to see. It’s time that the law abiding gun owners stand up and say “we’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore”. I live in a very close neighboring state to Missouri. Next thing I will be hearing is even though I have a CCL, fully registered by my state, I will be prohibited from carrying my weapon across the state line into Missouri. It sounds like their LT Governor has more sense than anyone in the entire Federal Government. Folks of Missouri. If this continues or God forbid get worse, your option then is leave state and move to a neighboring state then let them cry for not getting the tax dollars they once did. I would like to say this though. Their LT Governor should be the one to be president.

  29. Tom says:

    This on top of the DHS just ordering 2700 mine resistant armor protected vehicles. Look it up, it happened, and they are for domestic use inside the United States. That’s 54 vehicles per state. Couple the armored vehicles, ammunition shortage, drones and a nationalized list of gun owners. Hmmm. Anybody remember the movie Red Dawn?

  30. Mike says:

    I read alot of rhetoric here………. how many of you will actually go down “guns a blazin’” when a group of SEAL trained commandos are kicking down your door? I would like to believe I would be one, but you never know the “shit my pants” factor until the time actually comes.

    • IcantCARRYyet says:

      @mike and @Tom. I’ll be the first to agree that the GOVT is actively disarming us. One thing to remember, however, is that we have more guns..and certainly more manpower. Via SIAD(obviously GOVT controlled so numbers are what they are. If you combine the TOTAL number of personnel from Military,Civilian, and OCO(active soldiers stationed overseas on contingency OPS)
      M=1.5MIL**(1-31-13)
      C=800,000**(2-8-13)
      OCO=200,000**(2-8-13)
      **I chose to round these numbers up to the nearest 100,000 to make addition easier for dummies.
      -When you add these numbers together(Which I have already “inflated”) the USA reportedly has 2.5 million trained killers stationed in US among many other countries and regions. 2.5 million does not include Special Forces/Ops personnel(No telling what the true definition of this position is)
      -Assuming that the head count for a countries military is not completely accurate, I will greatly over-estimate the number of “special forces/ops personnel” that the Defense Dept. is not required to disclose.
      -I will use the number 10,000,000 to represent “special forces/ops personnel” I have no facts to support this number, however, I am quite certain 10MIL is a gross over-estimate.
      -Lets assume every single US Police Officer would join the military in this so called “tyrannical takeover”. +700,000
      -Next lets say every single US Detective and Investigator joins in. +200,000
      -Last but not least, the First Line Supervisors of US Police and Detectives are on board. +200,000

      This come to 13.6 Million well-trained “govt soldiers” to hypothetically strong arm and control the country by force.

      In this scenario I took the total US population(2011) less the 13.6MIL(for tyrant soldiers) and 115,287,491(Or 37% of the Total Population that make up the sum of US citizens either Under 18 or older than 65 years of age)

      Were looking at 13MIL soldiers attempting to take control of 183MIL civilians.
      47% of Americans stated there is a firearm in the house they live in.

      If only half of the remaining civilians can easily obtain a gun, you will find 91,500,000 armed civilians.

      ***Moral of this scenario is that Mathematically the citizen is still the overwhelming majority. As long as we stop allowing the alienation of our rights, and attending “Don’t ask don’t tell” gun selling events…We will continue to have the manpower and hardware to protect ourselves from a hypothetical “Tyranny”

      PS. The Assault Weapon ban has nothing to do with public massacres…It has to do with containing us to only small arms. Slowly but surely, if Americans don’t snap out of it, we WILL disarm ourselves.

    • Clear as mud says:

      1.Train, get out of the house off your ass an train to fight back
      2. Involve your family (if you have one)
      3. Stock up on food an water (can’t eat bullets)
      4. VOTE THEASE FOOLS OUT
      5. If all else fails an you are still at home when “they” come calling… Take some with you.

  31. D. Phillips says:

    If I was a Missour citizen, I would demand from my elected officials to find out who authorized or allowed this release of private information, and mandate those responsible not only get fired but criminal charges are brought upon them as well. If the elected officials did not do this, I would start a rally to get people involved to get someone else elected for those positions. I am tired of people not taking responsibility for their elected positions.

  32. Jim Higginbotham says:

    What i would like to know is if any of my information was given to D.H.S, and if so I would like to get a class action lawsuit against the State of Missouri for violating my second amendment right of the constitution of the United States of America and the Missouri State Constitution. I will be sharing this information.

  33. Chad says:

    So what is gonna happen now!?! NOTHING!!! The information has been sent and will be a permanent record somewhere. The damage has been done! Time for a lawsuit.

  34. ding says:

    soon, the USA will be quite different, both geographically and politically. It’s not going to be pretty or fun. Large thick lines are being drawn in the sand, every hour now. Come a (very soon) late Friday after noon, in the cloak of “we know your prepping for your beer drinking/football coma weekend”, they’ll decide to do the big ugly, and when you all wake up the next bright beautiful crisp Monday morning, all the birds are singing.. a river of tears will begin to flow.. there will likely be an event which has taken place..maybe a mini bank holiday or something..it will quickly and horrifically snowball from there.

    They already know the when and the what.

  35. larae says:

    Where is the proof that this is true? The state changed the way drivers and i.d.s are processed. So is this a fact or assumed that is whats going on?

  36. Todd says:

    Oh yeah, that restraining order will stop them….just like that state law did!! If they really wanted to stop criminal activity they’d first lock up everyone at the offending agency that had a hand in it and hold them over for trial, one count each for each resident with a permit…..secondly they’d get rid of their permit system and go to CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY, where anyone legal to own may carry open or concealed at their leisure; currently only four states have it: Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming,

  37. Lynda Jamison says:

    The DMV in question was an independent run office that had allowed the software to be added. When we got our certificate in passing the course, we were instructed by the sherrif’s to go to a state run dmv, their computers are more secured according to him. Call and ask if they are independently or state run.

  38. david s Metts says:

    If there ever were a case for a class action suit, I believe we have one here. Any committed lawyer interested?

  39. Gerry says:

    Why am I reminded of all those emails from the White House and Dick Cheney’s office that were mysteriously destroyed and lost? Come on, they are all in it together.

  40. Norman Laws says:

    I live in Missouri and this was on the local news last night. For those saying, “If this is true” just what part of “Kinder, and the Stoddard County Prosecutors, filed legal actions against the Missouri Department of Revenue; late today that action resulted in a temporary restraining order being issued that will force the DOR to stop transmitting this private information to the Feds.” do you not understand? I’ve had my CCL for 5 years but wonder if my info was sent too? We need to band together and file a law suit over this. If we don’t stand up for our rights then we don’t deserve them!

  41. Ernest Iversen says:

    Lt Governor Perer Kinder of Missouri is to be commended in standing up to the Missouri Department of Revenue and stoping the illegal transmission of private info to the Feds. Those who installed the spy software should be arrested along with those who allowed it in Missouri. How about Warrents for those who illegaly ordered it from outside teir state?

  42. cajun grandpaw says:

    I dare them to come to southern Louisiana and knock down my door for our guns. We do not call 911, my home protected by the 2nd amendment. Unless you can run faster than my rifle bullet can travel chances are you won’t make it past the threshold of my front door. Try it feds. there is a hell lot more of us that are legal law abiding citizens that are well armed than they are feds. I have filed a complaint with our local senator, congressman and the governors office and will continue until washington gets the message. DO NOT TREAD ON US.

  43. mike Cochran says:

    Strangely..ppl now..supposedly the law abiding citizens of the USA ..and defenders of the 2nd Amendment which states “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” have little understanding what they are reading or why was written so.. Ppl appear to believe only reason for private ownership of guns is hunting or personal protection of your neighborhood thugs. Not so. The primary purpose of private gun ownership was seated in the duty to use those guns for forcibly overthrowing a tyranny just as Britain was in the Revolutionary War. In those days every “patriot” was a criminal. The charge of treason applied. The part “shall not be infringed” means no denial of ownership irregardless ..whether felon or not..no registration or checks. Yet now..felon denied guns. You so called law abiding citizens have no problem with.this cuz don’t effect u. Actually if you were law abiding citizens u wud have not waited until ur rights were under attack to fight back but done so long ago when felons denied ownership. There’s also no denial of guns to felons under 2nd amendment. Thomas Paine..speaking on 1st amendment said mite not agree with wat u sed but wud fight to the death right to say it. U also law abiding citizens fought not political correct speech. Two example of how UNlaw abiding you so called citizens are. The US Constitution is not a constitution of convenence. U shuda grown ur balls long ago n not waited until it was u now being back in a corner cuz now ur all that’s left and the rest of us can’t help u cuz u never stood up for us. U spent our lives and freedoms and rights without care as if were urs to do with as u wanted but they weren’t urs…and now soon ..ur rights won’t be urs anymore either becuz u were cowards then and cowards now. Even a rat will fight when cornered. My bet is ull give up your guns without much resistance ..probably be racing to the police station to turn em in as soon as ALL guns illegal. A lot of talk..no action that have guns n cudnt use it to save ur own lives when it matters long ago relying on self righteousness as law abiding citizens just to be cowards.

  44. mike Cochran says:

    Oh..and just a foot note..all these horrible crimes with children being murdered in schools receiving so much publicity ..of all of them..NOT ONE WAS BY A CONVICTED FELON. Of all the other highly publicized crimes which have fueled this anti-gun legislative attack…NOT ONE BY A CONVICTED FELON. On the other hand…not only were these crimes not commited by convicts..was more important ti note was LAW ABIDING CITIZENS …AND AN LOS ANGELES POLICE OFFICER! In the entire history of the ban or fed registration of full automatic weapons in USA ..the only legally owned full auto weapon ever used in a crime was by a police officer robbing a bank…not stolen by a convict n used..not by a cowardly (un)law abiding citizens ..but a cop. Bible says u sow wat u reap..and now u are. If u really had ne guts now and wanted to redee ourselves ud go out and buy a couple guns for the felons u know and apologize cuz ur.gonna need us felons now or .. well figure it out.(

    • sherman says:

      Mike you can,t spell for shit but you can stand beside any time,(and carry one of my guns).Seems like there aren,t enough balls to go around these days.

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