Starbucks CEO Says Gun Owners No longer Welcome to Carry in Stores… Are some Gun Activists to Blame?

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September 18, 2013 Posted by:

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I Love Guns and Coffee GraphicIn the latest knee jerk political action, in the wake of this week’s shooting in Washington D.C., Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz announced that guns are no longer welcome in Starbucks stores.

In a letter posted on the company website, Schultz made it clear that Starbucks never really supported the 2nd amendment, but instead was thrust into the debate when Pro-gun activists used their stores as a political stage for media events.

Schultz said on the company’s website:

Today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about what’s happened here. First, by making their stores gun-free zones, all Starbucks has done is let criminals know they can now target their stores, and their customers without fear of repercussion. Gun-Free Zones do nothing to stop crime; they only help criminals get away!

The mixed feelings come from some of the idiotic pro-gun activists (who Schultz mentions in the letter) who in my opinion are only out there to stir up trouble. In no way do I support, or think gun-free zones are a good thing. Unfortunately, there’s a certain segment of the pro-gun crowd that’s making it easier for companies like Starbucks to ban guns altogether.

YouTube is filled with video after video of people who are purposely going out and filming themselves open carrying ar15s, shotguns and multiple handguns inside stores across the country. Do we have the right to do this? HELL YES WE DO, but what these people are doing is in no way helping our cause.

When I carry my guns, it’s not to make a political statement – it’s to keep myself and my family safe from criminals. Unfortunately we have a number of people out there, led in large part by a couple of websites that I will not give any more unneeded attention, that are purposely upping the ante hoping for a response.

Do we have the right to carry? YES, but walking around Walmart with your finger on the trigger of an ar15 so you can, “make a statement” is just idiotic, and it’s going to wind up getting someone killed. If I see some jackass walking through the store dressed in tactical gear with his finger near the trigger, my first thought isn’t man am I proud to be a gun owner, it’s to leave the store because something bad is about to happen.

I think Open Carry is a great thing, something that’s saved a countless number of lives. But again, there’s a difference between carrying a gun for defense, and carrying a gun to provoke a response or reaction. If you don’t know how to safely handle a gun, leave it at home because you’re now a threat to my safety when you carry like an idiot!

People Open Carrying who don't know how to responsibly handle a gun

In my opinion, the people in these videos are provocateurs – some of whom should not own a gun.

Now before anyone works themselves into a full blown fit, I 100% support the 2nd amendment and the right for everyone in this country to be armed. What I don’t support is a bunch of armed assholes walking around with their fingers on the trigger. If you own a gun, you need to know how to safely carry it and use it.

Do the people in the above screenshots look at all responsible? I’m pretty sure pointing the barrel of your rifle towards your face is one of the first things you learn not to do!

In a large portion of these online videos, where people are purposely trying to provoke a response from authorities, I see people that have no idea how to hold, operate or safely carry a gun. Carrying a gun is a huge responsibility, one that 99% of gun owners take very seriously.

Unfortunately, we now have a very small part of the gun community – who I would argue don’t give two shits about our right to carry, and are only interested in getting their 5 minutes of fame by posting stupid videos on YouTube and various websites that are designed to rile people up – who are now making it easier for the anit-gun crown to lump us all into the same group.

I 100% support the 2nd amendment, the right to conceal or open carry, and the right to free speech and expression. That being said, I think we all have to watch out for some of the people who are making it harder for us to do.

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  1. John R Souza says:

    Thank you!!! I’ve been pro gun as long as I could think for myself. I’m a staunch supporter of our Constitutional Rights as well. But, I have said for years that the idiots that you point out in your article are absolutely not helping our cause. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do it, and most of these open carry idiots prove that.

    • SNIPER says:

      I’ll have to say this is not a very good example of our right to have arms, however I do see the point,,,coffee their costs too much anyhow.
      If you look at most of the customers they look like a bunch of winnie babys anyhow.
      NO GUN, NO BUY,,,,,

  2. Matthew Stahlecker says:

    I agree with your statement 100%. I too believe that being a provocateur does not serve our purpose one bit. If you look at the way that the left have used lawyers and the twisting of our language and it’s meaning to push an agenda, we see the only way to get the upper ground in the fight for ALL of our Bill of Rights. If we fought with intelligent common sense, we may find ourselves a Republic based upon the rule of law and not the “popularity game” of political correctness. Using the Starbuck’s story as an example, they have their 1st Amendment Rights to refuse service to anyone. BUT, this is not “no shirt, no shoes, no service” kind of service question. By making their establishment “Gun Free” they are using their 1st Amendment to impede my use of my 2nd Amendment by their will. In doing so, they have effectively taken responsibility for my PERSONAL 2nd. Now, they should give me an armed guard for compete compliance to my 2nd (not hardly). They will claim that 911 is effective enough. BUT, when someone is robbed, wounded or killed by a gunman, they just became liable for the ENTIRE EVENT. By taking away a mans right (any right) you assume responsibility for that right. THATS where the effective countermeasure is for US. We need to make “GUN FREE ZONES” completely aware of the responsibility they have taken upon themselves. WHEN it happens that a bad event happens, rather than gunning up in protest, LAWYER UP and sue them out of business for taking away your rights.

  3. JAS says:

    That’s great. We now have one more gun free business that crooks can hold up and leave the rest of us alone. I carry a gun and will honor their request by not be drinking anymore Starbucks.

  4. CZ75_open_carry says:

    “In my opinion, the people in these videos are provocateurs – some of whom should not own a gun.”

    Never mind open carrying in some states is perfectly legal. The Constitution says nothing about guns having to be concealed. Maybe, just maybe, the point of open carry is it is legal! It amazes me that people, even “pro-gun” people, are shocked at an openly carried weapon. Maybe it’s time our so-called gun culture simply accept weapons are everywhere. Embrace it. Last I checked none of my firearms have jumped out of their holsters and attacked anyone.

    • Common sense says:

      Hey moron the point of the article is people who aren’t being safe and shouldn’t be carrying to begin with. If you can look at the picture above and think those people are acting and carrying responsibly then you are one of the idiots that the articles talking about.

      Personally I wouldn’t want to be within a 100 yards of the idiots in those pictures and videos. If you can’t see the problem you need to invest in taking a gun safety class.

      • SNIPER says:

        I bet you would sing a differant tune if one of them were sitting across the street from your wife and kids that were about to be car jacked,rapped and who knows what else stepped up and saved them,,or you could call the cops and wait twenty or thirty minutes for them to show up and take some information,,,,dumbass

        • Echo says:

          tell you the truth i don’t believe that i would want any of the jerks aiming a gun in the direction of my family!!! even to help. probably shoot my family by mistake or lack of training. cause for sure that blond does NOT inspire confidence!!!

  5. linda says:

    I open carry at certain times conceal at other times. This is disturbing The people in these pictures do not practice gun safety. The women has no clue how fast some one will take her gun and use it on her. She is so tacky to say the least this reflects on all gun owners. Never point a rifle towards your face. Open carry of the 3 guns just makes people who are uninformed nervous.. Carry responsibly set an example !!!

  6. When I think open carry it brings to mind careful carry. None of the people in these pictures are careful. These people are using their weapons to intimidate. The best way to win people over is to just have your weapon as part of you, not the main focus. It shouldn’t be showcased as “look at me, I’m carrying a weapon!”

    Where I live only concealed carry is allowed, which I always do. I will make it a point to not go into Starbucks as I do not purposefully go to places where I’m destined to be a sitting duck.

  7. Frank says:

    This is not a ban in Starbucks on open carry. He says so in the letter. He requests that people don’t open carry but specifically states that in places where it’s legal customers who do open carry will not be turned away. This a request so he can keep his company from being associated with either side of the debate. So don’t paint this as a ban when it’s not.

    They’re a private property owner and have the right to ban guns if they so choose. It’s not a constitutional matter here. So if he was banning guns, it would be perfectly legal and within his rights, just as it’s within your rights to not shop there if you don’t like the company. However, the CEO didn’t ban weapons, he put forth a request to responsible gun owners to help quell the politicization of his company. As a company the stance has always been neutral, and one of abiding the local laws. Some idiots took this to mean they were pro gun, held rallies at Starbucks locations (Again private property) without permission and ruined it for everyone else. And yet the company still hasn’t banned open carry in their stores, but instead has respectfully asked that gun owners don’t open carry there so the stores aren’t turned into pawns in someone’s political agenda.

    Your article has turned a reasonable, responsible, and rightful request into something it’s not, and honestly that bothers me. It’s a tactic used by the MSM and one I would hope not to find here.

    • Off Grid Survival says:

      Did you read the entire article? I never used the word ban, and more than half of the article is about the activists who are helping these companies put policies in place that limit our right to carry.

      The quote that is used in the article comes right from the Starbucks website where he says “we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.”

      By requesting people no longer bring firearms into Starbucks, there are many who will take their business elsewhere. If you legally carry a firearm for protection, why would you ever leave it in your car for a stupid cup of coffee? I think my safety is a little bit more important.

      And as far as a ban goes – this is not an outright ban because doing so would have put his company at risk of lawsuits which he alludes to in his statement when he says, “enforcing a ban would potentially require our partners to confront armed customers, and that is not a role I am comfortable asking Starbucks partners to take on”

      This is all just legal wrangling
      . By saying this is a “Request” they protect their asses in case some employee is assaulted when asking someone to leave the store. At the same time, by publicly releasing this letter they can now legally trespass you from the store. Starbucks isn’t stupid, and neither is their team of lawyers; they knew exactly what they were doing when they released this carefully worded letter.

  8. dave w says:

    First of all, get your story straight…Schultz says many times in his letter that Starbucks is neither pro or anti gun…Second, it is not a ban, it is a request. Guns are not banned at starbucks, they just ask that you please not bring them into their stores. Employees will not ask you to leave if you go in with one. I’m neither for or against Starbucks’ decision, I’m just saying that you should have your facts right.

    • dave w says:

      prior to this Starbucks policy was to respect the states gun laws in which the store was, but the NRA started having “Starbucks Appreciation Days” in which group members would all meet in their local Starbucks with their guns. This is Starbucks way of trying to stop these events without banning guns all together.

    • Off Grid Survival says:

      I guess you failed to read my comment above, or the actual article.

  9. I live in Arizona and haven’t heard anything about this request from Starbucks. Besides, I don’t go their anyway. Their crap is to expensive for me.

  10. Jaime Rosario Justicia says:

    They don’t want competition.

    Their stuff can kill people too.

  11. Brian_427 says:

    I agree with the fact that the gun safety skills of some of these people are questionable at best. However, I disagree with you that under some circumstances we do need to use the right of open carry to provoke people’s thoughts from time to time. That said it should be done safely. We need to stop letting the gun grabbers beat up on us and just us just taking it quietly. We need to continue open protests, like the overpass protests to impeach Obama. Excercise our rights, legally and safely, bring out the truth about firearms ownership, that you have the god given right to protect yourself and your family, and that guns aren’t dangerous its the criminals who know their victims can’t fight back because they are following the law, in places like Chicago and Washington D.C.
    Under most circumstances, i would still prefer to carry concealed, why tip of the bad guys and make yourself their first target.

  12. David says:

    First, I AM a Constitution believing citizen.
    I noticed that it was a “request” by Starbucks…meaning that it probably doesn’t carry any force of “law” behind it. The pictures…well, “stupid is as stupid does”. While I DO agree with ‘open carry’(when appropriate)the vast majority of times ‘open carry’ is well, IMHO, dumb. It lets the criminal, with a gun, know just whom to shoot first. It also makes YOU an immediate target of “law enforcement”. Is Starbucks anti-gun…they say no, but their actions say yes. The FIRST time Starbucks gets “hit” they might just “change their tune”, but probably not. I don’t go to Starbucks anyway…I think they use the stuff that liberals put in “their” koolaid.

  13. Jordan says:

    OK, i’ll start calmly. First: The idiot in the USA shirt, you just look dumb. Second: You give ALL gun owners a bad rep by strutting around like it’s socially acceptable to have a P90 strapped to your chest. And to make mattes worse, that trailer trash girl’s ass is going to tarnish that guns finish, not to mention no holster? It is amazing to me the type of inbred idiots that think it is ok to do more harm than good to our campaign of trying to bring 100% of our 2nd Amendment rights back. All these people are doing is throwing fuel on the fire for the Anti-Gun party. These people scare the public more about guns rather than putting them at ease with the fact that people carry firearms. I guess some people have been one of two things: Either are inbred or were dropped on their heads as a child. Either way some things need to change. Also: Punctuation and Spell check are your friend!!

  14. bohica1 says:

    any chance these morons in the photos are acutally anti gun activists hell bent on making all true gun enthusiasts look bad and promote gun control? recall how there were plans to infiltrate tea party rallies with rioters. i dont put anything by these commies in power

  15. Gary says:

    Just write to Starbucks and tell them how you feel….nicely ! We need to be professional or we end up looking like the idiots in the pictures!

  16. Dark Space says:

    I agree with everything you say, except the first sentence. This clearly is not a knee jerk reaction to the Navy Yard shooting, it was deliberate, well thought out, and is clearly in response to the knuckleheads you allude to later in the story. I don’t think he deserves any negative press over this, and I too am a strong 2nd amendment supporter.

  17. Echo says:

    considering some of the wing nuts i have seen wandering around lately doing an open carry??? i really and truly can’t find it in my heart to blame starbucks. and if the jerks pictured above started making it a habit of going into starbucks under the assumption of total support?? again i can’t blame starbucks.
    you are so, so right that the idiots like those above do nothing to help safe guard the 2nd amendment.

  18. Timothy says:

    Im 18 and very much support the right to carry a firearm but the people in the above photos are not doing a very good job of making gun owners look safe.
    yes it is cool to own such a firearm but I wouldn’t carry that rifle in public during a normal day and I surly would not carry a pistol in the way she has it.
    Those are the people who need a gun safety course

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