Congress Asks DHS if they are Manipulating Ammo Market with Giant Purchases of Ammo

In a congressional hearing earlier today, the Department of Homeland Security stated that their procurement of large amounts of ammo had nothing to do with trying to limit the amount of ammo in the hands of American citizens; some law makers seemed to think otherwise.

Top DHS training officer Humberto Medina, denied accusations that DHS was involved in manipulating the ammunition market when he told congress, “categorically that was not a factor at all” in the purchases.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif, told the DHS official that “The idea that you have to have excess rounds, year after year, flies in the face of common sense.” He went on to say that he suspects DHS has either “disposed of,” or passed the unused ammo on to non-federal agencies.

In another heated exchange, Chairman Jason Chaffetz demanded answers on where all the purchased ammo was going.

Ammo Purchases Far Beyond What Department Could Ever Use

In fiscal year 2012, DHS physically acquired somewhere around 103 million rounds of ammunition, which according to DHS was to be used by somewhere around 70,000 DHS officers for both operations and training purposes.

So why now do they need over 10 times that amount? To bring the numbers into perspective, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was using less than 6 million rounds a month, giving DHS a stockpile of ammunition to sustain a hot war for 20+ years.

Congress  skeptical about DHS claims, asks why agency is using 1,000 more rounds per person than Army 

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, told DHS official that their  “math” wasn’t adding up. He argued that it didn’t make sense for DHS to use an average 1300 -1600 rounds per DHS officer , while the average U.S. Army soldier goes through only 350 rounds per year.

What makes even less sense is why DHS would place purchase orders for an additional 1.6 billion rounds, especially since by even their own accounts they had already stockpiled more than 260 million rounds of ammunition as of November 2012. When police departments have to start trading and begging for ammo because of a lack of supply, you really have to wonder why DHS is stockpiling such large amounts of ammunition.

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  1. That’s a lot of frickin ammo, and how can that much go missing form their stockpile? After hearing this, and seeing the militarized police forces close down Boston, I am more convinced than ever that they are planning to go to war with the American people.

    • After seeing Boston, I’m getting the feeling that they won’t have to go to war with the American public. The public’s apparently trained to let the government people do whatever they want anyway.

      No need to shoot at anyone if everyone’s entirely complacent.

  2. And once again the mainstream media ignores what King Obama has done. How is this not headline news on every network in the country?

  3. Reminds me of the Eric Holder questioning. You couldn’t pry a straight answer out of the lying bastards.


  4. It’s just what the name implies. Stockpiling supplies against a day of great need…or against the expectations that the product while not be obtainable in the future. What do “They Know”, that we do not? I have my suspicions….and so do a growing number of people around the world. Ready for a Third Party YET?
    Keep in mind that if 1/2 of the people who don’t vote….stepped up…we could replace every last one of these….at best incompetent Politicians.

    • Ya but who do we vote in instead they r all sucked in by the big corp’s and mind fucked we really need to down size our government probably by about half. Not sure of the #’s just a guess.

  5. I do know that we should be impeach Obama and All of his elected officials and they should all go to court and pay for what they r doing just like every other citizen does

  6. I believe they are gonna keep stock piling ammo for a couple of reasons 1. they are trying to keep rounds out of the publics hands 2. they are trying to provoke civilians to have a small uprising so they can squash the angry thoughts of any attempt at a bigger uprising to overthrow this tyrannical government of ours 3. they are gonna try and drive ammunition company’s out of business thru taxing and bogus lawsuits and last 4. they are gonna attack civilians and attempt to make the USA a police state

  7. I don’t mean to sound paranoid, but 174,000 rounds were hollow points.(figure confirmed by MSM & snopes by googling how many hollow points purchased by DHS) Those rounds can only be used domesticaly because according to international law, they are illegal to use anywhere else for wars. Why do they need that many? If anything it is a horrible waste of the countrys’ resources when we are in a recession. Worst case scenario, they are preparing for when people finally get fed up with how they are running the country and people realise the politians are supposed to be working for us, not dictating over us.

    • That doesn’t even fill their duty belt. If you use the figures in the article of 70,000 officers, if they each carry three 15 round magazines, that is 3,150,000 rounds. 174,000 rounds is only a duty load for 3866 officers and does not even count practice.

      • OK. That makes a little more sense. I am still concerned about the fuss that they are making about answering any questions about it and other things. Everything the gov’t does these days gives the impression they don’t have to answer to the people and if we question them we are “conspiracy nuts”. There seems to be no transparency in gov’t anymore. (if there was any to begin with)

        • I think it is probably more that they don’t under stand that to most people the amound of ammo they buy sounds rediculous. But, when you stop and do the math, it really isn’t and I am sure they try to buy in bulk quantities and have it on hand when they need it. I would really like to hear from some of the ammo manufacturers what the issue is with getting more ammo out. I suspect that between the Gulf wars, foreign sales, government sales and people buying everything that hits the shelves, they just can’t keep up.

  8. 1300 to 1600 rounds of ammo per officer per year is not that much. I use in excess of 1200 rounds per year and imagine most people reading this blog do as well. How many rounds a month do you shoot? I go to the range at least once a month and generally shoot 100 rounds. If you take into account their duty load, which is considerably more than when I was an officer, they may need that much ammo. The fact that the military doesn’t use that much is not a good comparison. When I was in, we didn,t shoot that much either after we left training. Most police officers shoot every month, plus have to qualify.

  9. I dont know what kind of training regimen the DHS uses, or the military. I basically quit going to the range because of the shortage of components, as I reload everything I shoot. But when I was shooting all the time, I went through way more rounds than JAS was, aprox 1000 rds every other week, or 24,000 a year. This is also through multiple guns,(6-10) depending on what I felt like at the time. Comparing regular peoples shooting habits against gov funded training for job I dont think works out in the math though.

  10. IMHO, the simple solution is … dissolve this useless and unnecessary agency! Afterall, how many Federal domestic police forces do we need? FBI, Secret Service, AFT, Social Security, IRS, TSA, CIA (which is not supposed to be domestic?), and probably others that I cannot think of?

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