Late last night a man dressed as the Joker went into a midnight showing of the movie Batman and opened fire on the crowd. The gunman reportedly entered a Century 16 theater in Aurora Colorado, only minutes from where the Columbine shooting happened, and shot over 70 people in the theater.
Predictably the Media and Politicians are using the Tragedy to push their Anti-Gun Agendas
Within moments of the horrific shooting, Anti-Gun groups and politicians pounced on the opportunity to use the tragedy to push for gun control.
Are Guns Really the Problem?
Think about it, why are these types of events becoming so common in America? If the problem was simply limiting access to guns, cities like Chicago and New York would be utopias filled with peace and love.
Maybe the problem has a little more to do with our current culture of violence and immortality.
While I don’t usually buy into the whole video games and movies lead to violence line of thinking, I do think it’s something that needs to be at least talked about. I mean if the idiots in the media are going to use this tragedy to blame guns, shouldn’t they at least mention the extreme violence in the movie that was playing during the tragedy?
The Dark Knight, the movie that was playing during the shooting, is filled with disgusting examples of how Hollywood celebrates violence and debauchery. The movie includes scenes like a man’s face being filleted by a knife, another man’s face being burned off and someones eye being slammed into a pencil. Worse yet, this movie is being directly marketed to our kids!
Instead of focusing on how evil guns are, maybe the idiots in the media need to start asking why America is so prone to violence.
As we have pointed out numerous times in the past – take the epidemic level of shootings in Chicago as a good example – guns aren’t the problem, our sick culture seems to be the problem. Until the problems with our culture is addressed, this problem will continue to happen.
Is P. Morgan even a US citizen?
People like him are a huge part of the problem. His narrow minded knee-jerk reaction is just appalling.
Why not use his free rant time in a productive manner, such as demanding “something” be done about criminals & their ACTS. The weapon of choice is not ever the issue.
The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.
In the decade following the party’s election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million – or more than two every minute.
The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:
The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz21CaB2CWs
Morgan is just another limp-wristed lefty liberal from a failed state(GB)where everyone is a subject rather than a citizen. GB has one of the highest rates of violence in europe with and w/o guns in a country where guns are illegal-huuumm. And Bloomberg the bloviating gas-bag is just a hypocrite. He’s surrounded 24/7 by an army of police officers yet denies his own citizens the right of self protection. “Just make a police report and we’ll get right on it”. If one person had been armed this may have ended much sooner with far fewer casualties.
See Dr. Suzanne Gratia’s congressional testimony about the dangers of being defenseless. She was survivor of the massacre at Luby’s Cafe in Killeen Tx., but her parents were among the 21 who died because of a crazed gunman. She had left her pistol out in her car because it was illegal at that time to carry, no CCLs allowed. No gun=victim.
The pro-gun comments and the people that have left them are a great example of why the U.S. needs gun control. A bunch of ignorant low-class hicks with no common sense.
Most all U.S. Courts, including the Supreme Court have formally stated the “…individual is responsible for their own personal safety/protection” Citations omitted.
The theater was posted as a no carry zone, a madman found a group of defenseless people to do what The Mother-ship was telling him to do.
He purchased everything legally- NO SYSTEM COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS.
He was DHS’ et al, nightmare come true- The Lone Wolf Terrorist. Get a grip on your own mortality, figure out how you would protect you & yours in a situation like this; it’s reality and you cannot change it no matter what kind of laws are dreamed up. Criminals by definition do not obey laws.
Wow, Diane! That insightful commentary you left just shows how empty the anti-gun rhetoric is. Leaving fantasy land and getting to the facts, States that seriously restrict 2nd Amendment rights have higher rates of violent crime on average. That’s a fact.
What will you do when faced with an armed criminal who is demanding that you hand over your cash/watch/jewelry/life or get in his vehicle? Appeal to his better nature? Call the police? Soil yourself?
The fact that the criminal is attempting to rob or kidnap you shows that there is not much in the way of a better nature to appeal to. I don’t believe that a bad guy will let you call anyone, let alone the cops. Even if he did, just imagine what he could do in the 20 or more minutes it would take the police to get to you. Soiling yourself isn’t really an effective deterrent.
Now imagine what would happen if you were legally armed and able to defend yourself effectively. Chances are, no robbery or kidnapping would take place and you could return safely home. I will opt for this outcome every time.
The USA already has gun control. Too much gun control. There are convicted criminals on record saying how they prefer their victims to be unarmed and helpless. It makes their job so much easier. I prefer not to be a victim. If you don’t like guns, that’s fine FOR YOU. Don’t try to force your liberal agenda on freedom-loving, thinking, patriotic citizens who are willing to stand up for their rights. That includes the right to keep and bear arms.
As it says in the Constitution of this great Country of ours, “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” ‘Nuff said right there.
Stop punishing law abiding gun owners for stuff crazy cowards do, I don’t want to lose more freedom, the 2nd ammendment was put in for a reason, to fight a police state, and defend us from people like this!
Zeph I have been saying the exact same thing for some time now.
Thank you for stating it as well.
Hitler took away the right to own firearms so that his people would be easier to control.
Might want to keep that in mind.
Yes, I agree. Some say the largest world army, except for perhaps China, is the American Hunter. 65 Million gun owners did not shoot someone yesterday, last week, last month, last year, and some never shot a person ever as a hunter, except perhaps Dick Cheney
best estimate is, there are 90 LEGALLY OWNED guns in the U.S. for every 100 civilian Citizens. That is the reason our crime rate is as low as it is. That is also the largest Army in the World. The United States Military is Out Manned AND out gunned in its own country.
I can’t help but think this tragedy would have been averted if the population in the theater was themselves armed.
Dark, My sentiments EXACTLY. The theaters must take ownership of at least some of this carnage, as they as property owners, have created these “gun free zones.” These “GFZ’s” now have become the flavor of choice for the cowards who wish to perpetrate these vile acts on the unarmed population. The police are not in the business of preventing this kind of tragedy, just cleaning up the mess and making the report after. The “Supremes” have noted this fact repeatedly, that the police are not there to protect you as an individual citizen. My heart goes out to all affected.
It’s really awful that people are taking advantage of the situation by pushing their opinions to the forefront in midst of this tragedy. :/ Piers Morgan has no room to talk, he isn’t from here anyway. Also I find it to be pretty unnerving that this man went to the same school as me and graduated two years before me with honors.
Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one and they all stink. The son of a co-worker was at the theatre when this happened. I would bet that when the time comes for the UN Gun Ban Treaty to be addressed (I believe next week), this being a fresh ‘hot topic’ would most likely be used for some level of justification.
Even if 25% of the attendees had their CCW permit, I would venture over half of those would not have the cojones to deal with the issue.
The individual in custody is mid twenties… I’m sorry, real life is not Duke Nukem or Call of Duty video games where you get a do-over…
Living almost across the street from Columbine, where my daughter graduated class of 1999 (yes she was there) and son also graduated from there 10 years later, this incident was located about 30 minutes away if no traffic; so the statement “just minutes away” is technically true, but not a realistic proximity.
Gun Control would not have stopped either of these (or other) instances. If legislation forces registration, or attempts to take away guns from the law-abiding citizens, then only criminals will have guns, making the law-abiding citizen much more fitting to be called “sheep” because the criminals will have guns regardless.
I believe swift capital punishment, in instances of undisputable proof the individual committed the crime, should be in place as a deterrent to such crimes… no appeals, no living in prison receiving 3 meals a day and watching TV sitting on their a$$ for 12 plus years at taxpayers expense… just have the sentence carried out within 30 days.
I would hate to hear anything remotely like this, but with the UN arms agreement on the table, can you see a “False Flag” event here? At the risk of who knows how many innocent victims that the UN sees as slaves anyway. They couldn’t give a shit if everybody was killed there as it would boost their cause.
That thought has crossed my mind also.
Legally armed patrons were not allowed- the theater was posted “No Weapons” the Law Abiding citizenry abided.
A simple solution would be for all Pro-2A folks to not patronize places that prohibit the lawful carry of firearms, and let them know why. The kooks will have their well defined ‘safe’ hunting areas, and those that carry lawfully will have safe places to enjoy themselves.
“Gun Control” Taught in every CWP course.If I had been there, there would only be one death, his dumd-ass.
Sure Gun Control is “taught” at the classes, and as you say only his dumb-ass would be dead… you probably would not have known about it until after the first few have been killed because it occurred during a scene where shooting was taking place (so I hear second hand from the father of a son that was there)… and like I said, ‘maybe’ half of the 25% that could have had a CWP, that would put you in the 10%.
Have you ever had to take someones life before? Do you have what it takes? I did once, it scared the hell out of me then in just a one-on-one situation… there was not a lot of innocent people, including kids running around.
The individual was also wearing body armor, so it would have taken a head-shot… even if I were there, and had the fortitude to take him out, it still would have been after others were gone before making sure a clear shot was available.
THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT NEGOTIABLE!If the second amendment gets repealed because of the impeccable timing of the Aurora shooting, then I solemly swear I will do exactly what the second amendment empowers me to do.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed on.
It means exactly what it says, that the people’s individual right to be armed will be respected and that the resulting armed populace will be secure against tyranny, invasion, and crime. Our founding fathers were careful to construct this sentence in such a manner that there could be no other reasonable interpretation besides the obvious. Anybody with even the most limited understanding of the English language will agree.
Why was it written?
We migrated to the United States to escape oppressive totalitarian government.
The concept behind the United States is that the centralized federal government has limited power over the people (as opposed to the dictatorships from which we came)
The Second Amendment states that in order to maintain a free state, the people must retain the right to keep and bear arms. The presence of armed citizens is what keeps the government “honest”. No government would be foolish enough to impose a dictatorship on people who have the ability to resist.
The Second Amendment does not grant us this right. This right already existed. The Second Amendment merely prevents the government from infringing on.
Why is it still important?
There are those who would say, “The Second Amendment’s not needed anymore because it was written at a time when it was needed. If now isn’t a time when the second amendment is needed, then there never was a time.
Some feel there is no threat of tyranny in our government so a need for the second is no longer valid..
While it’s fortunate that we’ve grown comfortable with our government, we need to remain aware that the only reason we have been able to grow comfortable with it is because the Second Amendment has prevented the government from posing a threat to us for all these years. History is littered with stories of unarmed citizens being taken over by dictators (Germany is one such example). Could that happen here? Not if we maintain the right to keep and bear arms. No other country has the freedoms that we have here in the United States. This is truly the most awesome place in the world to live, and I would like to keep it that way. When politicians take an anti-Second Amendment stance, we seriously need to wonder about their motives.
Each and every amendment in the Bill of Rights is important, but the the Second Amendment is the most important because it guarantees that the others will not be taken away. Think about it. Once the right to own firearms is eliminated, eliminating all other rights (such as the Freedom of Speech) will be a piece of cake. If that happens, what are you going to do? Protest? You certainly can’t resist. All you can do is watch it happen. The Second Amendment is our insurance policy against this. It’s been working quite effectively for over 200 years, and as they say, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!” Even if it means that people like yourself feel it is part of antiquity.
If you gun control advocates still dream of a day when the private ownership of guns is banned and the police are the only ones who are armed, feel free to relocate to the People’s Republic of China, where your dream is a reality.
MILITIA??? Just what is the militia?
NOTE: “Well-regulated militia” does not mean the National Guard. At the time this was written, “well-regulated” meant “well-trained”. If you believe “militia” means the National Guard, you must also believe that freedom of speech is reserved for the U.S. Government printing office.
If you read 10 USC Sec. 311 (That’s Title 10 of the U.S. Code, Section 311, subtitle A part chapter 13) you’ll find this:
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
In other words, if you have a penis, you ARE the militia whether you want to accept that or not!
It is what it is!
Mike.
Even if this bonehead shooter was wearing Kevlar, a hit from anything bigger than a 22 would have knocked him down, giving everyone else an opportunity to escape. That same hit would have bruised his chest, possibly even cracked his ribs. Sure, the body armor would have probably protected him from a penetrating hit, but he still would have been prevented from continuing his criminal actions long enough for lives to be saved and also a follow-on shot by the good guy with a gun to keep the criminal down.
Amen to the last 2 posts. With all the onsite reports from those there “we knew he was reloading when the firing stopped,” in 5 to 10sec SOMEBODY could have at least tackled this asshole, but no, all were terrified sheeple and crowding the doors giving him lots of backs as fresh targets. Makes me sick. I understand they were terrified, but courage is knowing what can happen and continuing on with that knowledge of what “could” happen. Its what happened on the airline that crashed in the Penn. field on 9/11. Not trying to be insensitive here. Just trying to say we need to take control of our own fate as much as we can.
You ask why are these types of events becoming so common in America? Because America has strayed away from GOD.
I believe you have a valid point there. With all the activities removing The Ten Commandments from courthouses, the separation of church and state…
I also believe that the moral ‘majority’ needs to stop turning the other cheek and stop being quite while the more vocal immoral minority try to influence others.
I truly feel the moral majority needs to stand up, “one nation under GOD” and be heard once again. The financial backing of the immoral minority needs to be stopped of their overpowering control over mass media with selective and biased reporting.
Unfortunately, maybe the time has come where the minority “Lot and daughters” can no longer save the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st century.
Stop being quiet, not quite…
They reported that he used the internet to buy some of his stuff. Are they going to make the internet illegal next? Hey Piers, should they make alcohol illegal because people drink and drive and kill people every day. Guns don’t kill people, it is the idiot behind the gun that kills the people. People need to be held accountable for their own actions.
The Dark Knight Rises played in 3,825 theaters on Friday July, 20.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=batman3.htm
Average revenue was around $8,000 per theater. At $10 per ticket, you are looking at 800 people per theater.
So, roughly…3,000,000 people went to see the movie which is commensurate with the population of Chicago, IL
How many people have been murdered in Chicago in JULY? So far…29
http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2012/07/
I just want to show an example of how mathematics and some reasoning might be a little more useful than falling into the trap of emotion. Unfortunately, emotion is what sells newspapers, television advertising and makes unimportant people feel important.
where is the media hype over the 2 armed would-be thieves that tried to rob an internet cafe and an armed 71 yo man stood up agaist them and wounded them both which aided their very quick capture..??? it figures that the “unbiased” lamestreammedia will only tout it’s crony agenda
Sensationalism is the reason. A single armed, elderly man, obviously skilled in his actions to assist apprehending criminals is not able to compete against a overly-hyped story of a demented twenty-four year old that bought thousands of rounds off the internet, booby-trapped his apartment, and performs a crazy stupid act.
Media does not accurately reports news, they report the “sensational” items that increase ratings the of the “sheep.”
A societal problem for sure, up until 1968 you could buy guns mail order. Very few incidents prior to then other than criminals. The gun laws and atrocities keep piling up, each incident resulting in knee jerk reactions to further reduce our civil rights.
Morality and values are what is missing in society, we have plenty of laws already. Just how many ways do we need to be told killing people is wrong, stealing is wrong, dealing drugs is wrong.
I find it hard to believe he just ordered ammo off the internet without it being delivered to an FFL licensed dealer. they make it seem as he compiled all his gear from online with no checks and balances. did JP Morgan and MF global do their crimes on the street or in the open?
You can order ammo in most states without it having to be delivered to a FFL.
It’s called freedom dear heart. Sorry ,but the problem is not ammo or guns, it’s the idiot behind them. You can’t regulate behavior no matter how much you’d like that to be true.
i don’t think guns are necessarily the problem. i actually think if everyone over 16 had to carry a gun everywhere, then crime will go to zero. and this will create a LOT of jobs. by the way, i am not a gun seller.
There are several issues, and it’s not guns. (1) It’s the criminal justice system that doesn’t rehibilitate criminals. (2) The ease for anyone to purchase military specific items from the Internet.
The gun dealers followed federal law. The suspect scum filled out the proper forms and was approved to purchase the handguns.
Unless someone develops the technology to find the crazy people before they hurt others, these horrible crimes will continue, unfortunately.
Men & Women the cover is being thrown over the people of America. Those who wish to stay under “government safety” will realize they were wrong when it’s to late, but the people on this site, the ones who are logical and smart will prevail. The government is seeming to plan to throw in Marshall Law if a disaster hits. Anybody on this site can easily see that. I know how much everybody likes guns (dont get me wrong, I LOVE them) but be prepared when they take your guns away. One way to be prepared and not be defenseless when SHTF while still having fire power is to train in archery. Yes you could get the argument “guns are more powerful and and efficient” but that isn’t always true. Having the skills of archery can help you in many different ways. Bows are silent killers, perfect for hunting (if you practice) and the better you are the less ammo is needed… perfect for budget preppers and those in debt. With guns you can not retrieve ammunition but with skill and accuracy of a bow you’ll never run out.
-Will, Be Prepared, Don’t Die Like An Idiot
WAKE UP PEOPLE….FALSE FLAG!
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates-training-exercise-at-parker
I am hearing many discussions at work and in other public locations about this incident. Most people have been in agreement, with the consensus that they do not want millions of dollars of their tax money to go toward the months of prosecution of this demented individual, a PHD candidate that is obviously ‘acting’ in a manner (probably under attorney advisement) to obtain an insanity plea, let alone the millions of dollars it will take to keep this butt-head alive in a ‘secure’ mental-institution or prison.
He was caught in the act of the crime/murder’s; there is no denying that. Present the case over a thirty-day period, and expedite sentence no more than thirty days after the case has been presented. No need to waste good taxpayers money on this a$$hole. No need to drag this out for those that lost their loved ones, just execute him with ‘two to the chest and one to the head’ and let there be closure. I am sure many would be willing to provide the tools to complete the matter at no cost to the public.
This is other people talking, not me, even though I am in total agreement.
Notice how the lame stream media never give the real statistics on cities or states of crime #s. states that are pro gun laws have less crime then ones that are anti gun. then I hear how people say they need to outlaw assault riffels. well its like the cops who get them to keep up with what’s on the streets. well that’s how a lot of us lawful gun owners feel toward the government. we need to be as well armed as they are in order to keep them in check. not saying grandpa old shotgun won’t work but is like to go to a gun right with a gun not a knife.
Anyone think that this guy could have been brainwashed by say..our government using techniques used in mk ultra, to be able to back there agenda of no guns policy to try and gain more power? Just a thought….
I would not put anything past our government, Including setting up a patsy to drive any of their agendas further along.
My stance on guns is that in the old west where literally everyone but children carried guns the crime was almost null.
That being said, crazies going on killing sprees would happen whether everyone had guns or nobody did. Look at Japan, their culture only ever had a real use for guns in wars and when banned real swords were banned they didn’t fuss much. Yet they still have their share of crazies who kill/injure lots of people using nothing but house hold knives.
Then look at Britain, they blamed their crime rate on guns, banned guns for civilian use and their crime just got worse. Why? Because suddenly the only people with guns were criminals and the small time criminals just switched to knives.
If this country wants to even make it to the 22nd century it needs to stop pointing the finger to blame the symptoms and start focusing on changing the problem.