Hunting on Public Lands at Risk: Feds to consider Traditional Ammo Ban

The U.S. Department of Interior is currently reviewing a plan presented by the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) to ban traditional lead ammunition on all public lands. The traditional ammo ban would effectively ban hunters from using one-fifth of the total land area in the U.S.

A similar ban was signed into law last year in California that banned all lead ammunition, making California the blueprint for a nationwide effort to ban guns and hunting by limiting ammo because of “environmental concerns.”

Last year, California Governor Jerry Brown signed AB 711 requiring that the State adopt a regulation to ban lead ammunition no later than July 1, 2015, with full implementation of the ban to occur no later than July 1, 2019. At the time, California Assemblyman Tim Donnelly warned the ban was nothing more than a de facto ban on hunting.

“This is a ban on hunting that is disguised as a lead ammo ban,” Donnelly told Breitbart News. “It would force people to go non-lead bullets, but non-lead bullets are considered to be armor piercing, and if they can be fired through a handgun they are illegal to own. It is a breach of federal law to own arming piecing ammunition for handguns.”

“This will effectively end ammunition options for hunters, ending hunting in CA as well,” he explained. “And this makes no sense because hunters help us manage the wildlife population. And through licenses and other fees they actually pay the state to let them do the management.”

The Humane Society of the United States doesn’t care about banning lead; their intention is to ban all hunting throughout the country. In fact, the head of HSUS, Wayne Pacelle, has been very vocal about his goal and how he plans on banning hunting in the United States.

As far back as 1990, Pacelle was busy laying out his plan:

“If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would.” (The Kingman Daily Miner, 30 December 1991).

“We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States. We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.” (Full Cry Magazine, 1 October 1990).

take it state by state.” (Full Cry Magazine, 1 October 1990).

The bill passed in California was only the first step in their campaign to ban hunting in the U.S.

The HSUS playbook, which the NSSF helped uncover earlier this year says, “We have intentionally chosen to concentrate first on banning the use of all lead ammunition for hunting in California and pursuing a ban on federal lands owned by the Department of Interior in order to build momentum for the campaign and to spur change within the various ammunition manufacturers and state wildlife agencies.”

They also brag about how they have infiltrated federal agencies and are actively shaping policy when it comes to the use of ammunition.

The HSUS has close working relationships with state wildlife agencies all across the country.  Our wildlife department staff and state directors regularly attend state wildlife agency meetings where they have presented to top level agency officials and developed close working relationships with wildlife law enforcement officers in the majority of states.  Our state directors attend department and commission meetings and have developed long-lasting relationships.  We are regularly contacted to participate in stakeholder meetings and asked about The HSUS position on pending proposals.  In fact, many of our staff serves on state wildlife agency appointed boards and commissions.  These existing relationships will go a long way in our campaign to end the use of lead ammunition.

Hunters and all gun owners need to be aware of what’s going on here. We have an administration that has no regard for the traditions of this country, and based on past executive actions and policies put in place by this government, it might not be long before the California ban on Traditional Ammo gets passed on the federal level.

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20 Comments

  1. The humane society should do the rest of society a favor and stay in california. Hunting either by rifle,handgun ,compound bow,recurve bow or primitive hunting is not only a nessasary part of life for many people but it is a tradition that has been passed from parent to child baning traditional ammunition is not going to save the little fury bambi so they can drive there smart car along a road with the windows up to see one in california if they empose this ban people who hunt to live will starve and another american pastime with be crushed to death by poitical correctiveness ( washington Redskins )

  2. The other intent of this foolishness is that if hunting is banned, then there is no need for scary weapons! Second Amendment repealed! America (the real patriots and citizens) please stand up! We can’t allow the sacrifices of our forefathers to be in vain.

    • Also if they banned hunting, that means more control for the government by controlling the food. They want total control. Food, water, medical.

  3. I have no problem with this if ONLY applies to waterfowl and maybe upland game birds. So in other words for shotguns. The banning of lead bullets for deer and other big game hunting is an issue.

    • Travis, you’re the problem, You have NO PROBLEM if it’s only waterfowl?? You have the right to exclude waterfowl and upland birds? Giving an inch is how it all starts, give them an inch they take a mile! The answer is NO, you will take NO hunting rights from me!

      • Lead shot pollutes the environment.
        I said nothing about taking away rights.
        If you were a hunter you would know lead shot is on the way out and steel shot is where it is going.
        Calm down and think.

    • What the above post should say
      I have no problem with this if ONLY applies to waterfowl and maybe upland game birds. So in other words for shotguns.
      The banning of lead bullets for deer and other big game hunting is an NOT issue.

  4. Any organization the wants to ban all hunting is environmentally and conservationally retarded and has no business being involved with the context of it.

  5. Frankly, I don’t know of anyone in California that is paying attention to the boys & girls under the dome. There are only so many BLM and state park rangers. Most hunters are going deep woods. Get the damned camo off the Jeep, and have some convenient hidey holes for moving meat. Stop screaming “I’m a hunter”, get your OPSEC on, and be polite and grey to the powers that be. They will remember 5 guys in spec ops uniforms but Mike Milktoast and his 4 college hiking friends will fade from memory pretty quickly. Can you say mountain bike?
    Yes, this is all about banning guns and stopping hunting. When the big spark goes off, none of this will matter.

  6. I am a proud member of PETA (people eating tastey animals) so all of you tree huggers eat bark, poop paper and write book called HOW DUMB WE ARE.

  7. Seems to me that when they outlawed the hunting of Mt. Lions in CA the Lions started a new group AETP(Animals Eating Tasty People).

    • your kid is playing in the backyard, a lion comes walking in, quick what do you do,,,people in cali call a phone number and ask for help,,i shoot the cat and then call someone come get the body.

  8. These “banners” ought to ban animals wearing body armor, then this argument would make sense! Lol. Funny how putting lead back into the ground, is considered polluting…. It’s not depleted uranium or an Obama speech!

    • I am bored and just wanted to point out that most Lead isotopes are in fact the final decayed form of Uranium 235 & 238 or Thorium 232. So technicallly it is naturally depleted uranium. Just a little science I wanted to share :) But on a note related to this article, steel shot bounces of greater canadian geese, I loathe it! And the non-tox shot is so ridiculously expensive it isn’t worth spending $3+ per shotshell. Altho on the flip side I have had good luck with the copper rounds for the rifle, I don’t think the deer can tell the difference between the copper and lead because they go down exactly the same.

  9. Lead bullets in the environment are not a problem. Lead is lead and a natural mineral. Case in point – at Camp Perry where the Nat’l Matches (& many more) are held, the impact area for over 100 years is into Lk Erie. The water and fish are tested with no lead migration or contamination. It is an excellent Walleye fishing area (when no shooting is going on of course)!

  10. The anti-hunting groups have used the endangered species act for leverage to use against hunting. The hypothesis used to establish the ban on using lead bullets in condor habitat was based on the premise that lead core bullets had to be the sole source. The California legislature bought the idea prematurely. The latest toxicology report from the US Fish and Wildlife Service indicates that even though lead bullets have been banned in condor habitat since 2008, more condors are being found with high levels of lead in their blood. OOPS> How are the so called scientists going to wriggle out of this one?
    We should also note that some of the animals fed to condors in the artificial feeding program were apparently shot with lead bullets or had lead shot imbedded in their hides.

    I also noticed that most of the Audubon’s Society chapters backed AB711. Jean Jacques Audubon was an avid hunter and outdoors man. He is frequently pictured holding his favorite fowling piece.

    I really hate this kind of hypocrisy.

  11. So here in Cali they have banned lead for hunting, and now there going after copper as armour piercing … Sounds like an ammo ban to me. Smells like one too.
    Stealth spaniel has it right look like a tree huger, dress like one and hunt like a Indian warrior. For the record. .. There some boys here in the mountains of Cali that knows what what.

  12. The people that are behind this pending anti lead bullet are clueless. Non lead bullets are and have been very common for many years. If this is an effort by PETA and the SPCA to stop all hunting because they have got the lead out so to speak are in for a rude awakening We will just switch to Barnes or Hornady ammo. As for non lead bullets being armor piercing, that is nothing but bovine scatology. Armor piercing ammo has either a depleted uranium core or steel and are not legal to own or shoot anywhere. Barnes and Hornady bullets are all copper and are hardly armor piercing.

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