Finding the Ultimate Bug Out Property or Survival Retreat

When things go bad, having a dedicated bug out location or survival shelter can really help put your mind at ease. Not only will you have a place to go, far from the chaos and dangers associated with urban survival, but you will also have a place where you can safely store backup supplies and equipment.

Log Cabin Survival Lodge

Bug Out Location Checklist

Here are some of the top considerations that you need to keep in mind when looking for the ultimate bug out property.

Distance should be a big Factor in Choosing a Bug Out Location

United States Map

When it comes to buying a survival retreat or bug out location, location really is the key.

How far is the land from your current location, and are you able to safely make it there during a crisis?

If you’re purchasing a piece of property to serve as a bug out location, then you really need to consider how far that property is from your current home. Unless you have a good refueling plan, you need to really think about any piece of property that you can’t make it to on a single tank of gas.

While having a bug out location far from the danger zone is important, making sure you can safely get there during a time of crisis is essential.

How far is the land from high-density population areas?

If you’re looking for a full-time survival retreat, distance isn’t really a problem. In fact, I would think the farther you can get away from the major cities, the better off you’ll be during a major collapse or SHTF situation.

Population Density – During a crisis situation, areas with the highest population densities will experience the most crime, the most social unrest, the highest likelihood for epidemics, and the highest death tolls due to lack of resources and sanitation.  When choosing a bug out location or survival retreat, we suggest staying as far away from high-density population areas as possible.

Water Availability & Water Sources

Natural Spring Water

A good reliable water source is one of the most important considerations when choosing a bug out retreat. From fresh water springs and rivers to underground well water, the need for a clean and renewable water source is the number one factor to consider when looking for survival properties.

  • Is water available independent of any municipal supply or source?
  • What water sources are on the land, and what water rights will you own?
  • Are they renewable, and will they be there year round?
  • Is the property graded in a way that allows for a pond or cistern to catch rain water?

Hiding in Plain Sight: Keeping your Shelter Concealed

Home hidden in rocky hills

The ability to conceal your site may become necessary during a SHTF Bug Out situation. Having a place that provides adequate resources to conceal your living quarters might be another factor in choosing your location.

  • How easy would it be for someone to wander on to your land during a bug out situation?
  • Do the natural features of the land help conceal and shelter you, or are they an obstacle to using the land? This will be a difficult balancing act!
  • Can you easily secure and defend the land?

Self-sufficiency: The Ability to Live off your Land

Small Farm with a Pond

Picking a location where you can sustain your lifestyle is another important consideration. From having enough sunlight to support a solar system, to picking a location that provides a good amount of firewood to heat your home, the ability to sustain your lifestyle needs to be one of the top concerns on your BOL checklist.

Natural Resource – Another important factor in choosing your property is the area’s natural resources.

  • How easy is it to grow food on your land?
  • Does the area support a decent size population of wild animals for hunting?
  • Can you easily raise livestock on the land?

Consider the Cost of Living and Threats from Government Bureaucrats

Private Property

Cost of Living Issues – Unfortunately, the country is set up in a way that guarantees you never really own your property. From the government seizing homes over zoning issues to having to pay taxes on a property that you already own free and clear, it seems our government always has its hands in our business.  When considering your location, the cost of living needs to be factored into your plan. Property taxes, cost of local goods and your ability to keep up with your payments are all things that must be considered.

Zoning Issues – As we mentioned above, the government at every level has a way of really screwing with your plans. Make sure you thoroughly investigate local zoning ordinances and find out exactly what you can and can’t build, what permits are needed and how much trouble local zoning officials have been to local residents.

Consider Location Based Threats & Natural Disaster Patterns

Natural Disasters

From tornadoes and hurricanes to earthquakes and droughts, natural weather patterns and environmental threats need to be thoroughly researched before deciding on a property. Make sure you know exactly what threats you will be facing, and how the local climate will affect your ability to grow food, hunt and obtain resources throughout the year.

  • Look at the areas historical data to better get an idea what the location might look like in the future.
  • Take into account things like droughts, flash floods, tornadoes, and earthquakes.
  • Look at crime statistics near your potential property and within a 50-mile radius of the property.


  1. Jon Beatty
    September 27, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Sounds like a perfect description for the mountains of western NC, where I live.

    BTW I also am a Realtor…………..:)


    • Robert
      September 27, 2012 at 9:55 pm

      Jon, I too have a nice property in the area. going to list it soon…drop me an email so we can talk…
      17ac, full time creek, secluded, good sun, soil, game. Oak cabin @200k $$ 90 miles from Charlotte

      • Frank
        January 7, 2013 at 8:39 pm

        Robert…did you ever list your home? the wife and I may be interested.

        • jeff
          October 29, 2014 at 9:55 am

          have 5.5 acres in Pamlico county nc across from river very secluded and round house elevated with full shop underneath 1500 sq ft well and septic 800 foot gated drive cant be seen from rd

          • Thomas Smith
            July 30, 2015 at 12:35 pm

            Jeff please send details & pictures if interested send details on how to get in touch with you

          • Tracy beasley
            September 22, 2016 at 2:20 pm

            Call me please I am interested. 843-307-0344 Tracy in sc

      • Thomas Smith
        July 30, 2015 at 12:15 pm

        Would like more details on land & home also pictures If likes need way to contract you

      • Chris Rogers
        July 4, 2016 at 12:54 am

        Did you sell property? I know this was from 4 years ago. I am interested in looking at this property. If sold, do you have any other properties for survival purposes? First off, my name is Chris Rogers and I am from Maryland. I am looking for a place away from wash dc for obvious reasons. I would realistically like to get into a property that has some like-minded people. I have some very unique skill sets as well as lots of good equipment, security gear, etc. I am 43 and have been self-employed (General Contractor of Residential/commercial structures) for over 20 years, hence the equipment.. I have a lot off Bobcat / Skid steers / Backhoes/full-size hoes/trailers both open and closed. Which I am more than capable of setting up and using to build cabins, underground concrete bunkers, trailers and shipping containers for storage. I have the skills and tools for framing structures as well as the lumber from my uncles sawmills (which are located in Olean NY), not to mention ATV’s and trucks. These are just things that I am looking to set up on whatever property that I get involved with so that I can start to work on setting up a well-fortified and hidden prepper’s camp. I am a very well educated individual with very high knowledgeable IT Systems and communications equipment. I actually do some serious Cyber Security and Ethical Hacking for DOD, so setting up automated systems that secure structures and implementing data card, facial recognition, eye retina scan, or biometrics for security is nothing for me set up. I also have a huge, (very huge) arsenal of everything that one can think of along with ammo and I reload, as well as gunsmith my own technical weapon systems. Sorry for writing you this book I am really serious about getting something together in the next few months so that I can spend this winter setting up things. Please reach out to me. Thanks Chris Rogers 301-523-0567 call/text

        • tam
          July 13, 2016 at 7:51 pm

          I don’t know about the mentioned property but I have a great forty acre property super for homesteading or prepped lifestyle. Some open for farming, some wooded. In the middle of the Isothermal Belt of western NC. Portion very secluded. Neighbors private and prepper minded. Between Charlotte and Asheville. No zoning in the county. Good well area and all will perk. 8 miles from town. $5,000 per acre with owner financing. No trailers except wood sided. Can be split into ten acre’ve parcels, buyer pays for survey. I am a r e broker but this is mypersonal land.

          • Walter Ostarly
            August 13, 2016 at 7:39 am

            I’d be interested in more info

          • Walter Ostarly
            August 13, 2016 at 7:40 am

            On the land for sale

          • bryan gullette
            February 20, 2017 at 9:56 am

            my name is Bryan Gullette. very interested in buying land in that area.

        • D. Gurley
          July 14, 2016 at 4:35 am

          If I may be included in any real estate information I’d appreciate it. I saw your message and am in a slightly similar situation. I’m looking for something out from Atlanta. I, too, work for the govt. have been really wanting to figure out where I might get a property set up that I can get to away from Atlanta. I don’t have your skillsets and am 61 so I need something reasonable as far as labor and upkeep.

          • Chris Underwood
            August 23, 2016 at 3:07 pm

            I have a rustic log home on 0.98 acres hiden into mountain in Franklin NC asking 215,000.00

        • Val Shaw
          December 6, 2016 at 2:27 pm

          Hi Chris, I saw your reply and wanted to know if you want to talk about me joining the group you set up. I have skills too and am working on getting an EMT class so I can be of even more help. God bless!

    • Mayda
      April 12, 2013 at 9:30 am

      Hi Jon,

      Please email me your realty website. I will be in western NC in May looking for property.


    • Rick
      March 30, 2014 at 9:15 am

      Sorry, but I have a cabin in that area as we’ll and it’s probably one of the worst places for a bug out location, as it’s basically in to the “Smoky Mountains” region! Why is that region called the “blue ridge or the Smokey mountains”????? Because it’s the perfect environment for trapping harmful gasses, biological, or nuclear fallout, etc. if any city south or west of here is attacked, the fallout will drift to and settle right over your secluded bug out shelter as you breath in that fresh mountain air!

      • Daphne
        June 5, 2014 at 7:11 pm

        Rick, I am currently living outside of Spartanburg, SC but have been looking for a piece of property either in northern SC or western NC. I am trying to make sure I understand what you are saying. I understand that nuclear fallout blows to the east and have looked at all the nuclear plants in the area and 50 mile ranges which leaves very little area to consider. I would appreciate any guidance so that I do not make a bad decision. Thanks in advance.

      • Marty
        May 14, 2015 at 8:02 pm

        Bull #&*#!

      • OledihardEnter your name...
        April 8, 2016 at 5:14 pm

        Rick; Gee it sounds like no one is interested in listening to what you have to say and that’s a bad decision on their part. We’ve just learned in the above article how important it is to find a safe refuge. Can you tell us more? I know coal shafts litter the landscape. Is the mist that rises coming from underground coal deposits heated and venting? I’ve read of people living there getting Black Lung Disease who never worked the mines.

        • Robin
          August 14, 2016 at 12:46 pm

          No coal in western NC/Appalacians, that’s in the Cumberland plateau: TN, VA, KY, etc. Also the air here is fine and you are protected from radiation and fallout by the terrain. Base your search on research not emotional response and off the cuff commentary and you’ll be fine.

      • Shonda
        September 22, 2016 at 4:39 am

        I knew it

      • Ann
        January 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm

        Yeah, you are so right. Keep looking for a suitable tract.

    • david
      August 6, 2014 at 2:57 am

      jon can you reply to me before 8-13-14 I only have this at work and will be in your area by sept. to look for properties. reply to e-mail
      thanks david

    • marvin bradsher
      August 13, 2014 at 2:38 pm

      Hi Jon,
      I’m looking for a small piece of land in that part of the state. Good running stream would be nice as far away from people as I can get. looking to go completely off the grid.

      • NC Mtn Man
        November 17, 2014 at 7:08 am

        Marvin, I have 3 acres near Spruce Pine that’s ready to go with buried storage tanks and a 40 foot shipping container that is not visible from the air or road. It also comes stocked with lots of food stores. It has two streams running through it with crystal clear water year round. Many extras are included. Will accept best reasonable offer. Well over $60,000 invested.

        • Dee
          December 24, 2014 at 2:16 pm

          NC Mtn man~where is your property located exactly?

        • Graham
          February 20, 2015 at 5:47 pm

          Marvin, do you still have property?

        • Charlie
          October 3, 2015 at 4:01 pm

          NC Mtn Man, I know its been almost a year, but any chance your place is still available? I will be in North GA and NC weekend of 10-24 looking for an off grid/survival property to buy. If yours is still available let me know. If anyone else has something available, please respond to me here. Thanks everyone,
          and God Bless!

          • david
            May 3, 2016 at 3:18 pm

            Tennessee off grid property for sale.

          • Jacqui
            November 4, 2016 at 8:22 pm

            Interested if you still have. Please send me info.

        • Ghost
          December 3, 2015 at 8:42 pm

          Is this still available?

    • The Guide
      September 17, 2014 at 6:51 pm

      I have 64 acres in Graham county western NC, at the end of a dirt road 4000ft elevation boardering 10,000 acres of remote national forest. This is probably one of the most remote spots east of the mississippi.
      The population density is very low.
      I have been at this for 30 years.

      • John P.
        September 18, 2015 at 11:07 am

        Are the 64 Acres in Graham County still for sale. I live in St. Louis, MO and I am looking to relocate in your area immediately. I am
        interested in seeing your property or similar in North Carolina or
        possibly Tennessee if you, or anyone else out there would like to
        get back to me. Looking to spend under $600,000,

        • david
          May 3, 2016 at 3:19 pm

          Tennessee off grid river property for sale.

          • mike
            June 4, 2016 at 9:24 am

            can you send some details?

        • Robin
          August 14, 2016 at 10:53 am

          I have a house with around 32 acres in remote Graham County NC. There is running water, forest, standing timber and arable land for crops and pasture along with fruit trees. Easily accessible yet away from the paved road it is a perfect retreat location. I can be reached at: therobinhode at

    • Adriana
      October 12, 2014 at 8:27 am

      Can you please email me your email address.
      I may need your services for a property I own.

    • Johnathan
      November 7, 2014 at 3:35 pm

      I am wondering if there is anyone with land or know anyone who has land near clinton Oklahoma, or weatherford Oklahoma? I can help turn it into a bug out property. Thanks,


    • sharon Jandak
      February 12, 2015 at 8:28 am

      Have 40 acres for sale on the western slope elevation 6000 ft and is great for preppers since you can see the valley below south side borders blm and national forest has springs and trees it is a great preppers site if interested give me a jingle

      • sandra
        September 21, 2015 at 7:34 pm

        where and how much?

      • Charlie
        October 3, 2015 at 4:03 pm

        Same question, where is it located, and price?

      • Ken kerr
        November 10, 2016 at 7:17 pm

        Where and how much

      • Ann
        January 7, 2017 at 8:10 pm

        I am concerned about the National Parks being given to China last year by the Obummer Admin. due to us not having any ‘money’ to pay China back.

        What happens when they just decide to build apt. buildings on these national parks areas?

        I went to see Yellowstone this summer moving back to East Coast and a Vietnam Vet told me about the giving of the parks to China.
        I knew my Dad always used to say China wanted to run and own the world but since we are deeply in debt to them and they rely on Americans buying cheap crap from them forever, Trump is getting them angry saying he’s taking their candy away from them.
        Get ready for land grabbing now……

    • avietnamvet69
      March 21, 2015 at 6:55 am

      I think it is impossible to live completely off the grid for too long because there are certain things we need to survive that forces us to go into town. Medications, life-saving medications without which the person will die without. Certain food items, utility needs etc. For me the challenge is in finding the most remote, concealable, productive land will it perk but still be close enough to a small town that can supply me with those life essentials but not too close as to give away my position. Also, think about transportation in and out of your BOL. Where can you park so it won’t be accidently discovered by some roaming

      • Catherine Munkelwitz
        October 19, 2015 at 8:52 am

        Just about to list 30 acres, secluded, surrounded by forests. Well on property, already perked, good hunting, firewood galore, shed. Within 15 miles of two small towns. Low property taxes, no restrictions, home site cleared. Good land for garden, livestock, solar, mild winters. Tennessee.

        • John l
          January 31, 2016 at 7:18 am


          Is this still available? Can you please email me more details? Price?

        • Walter Ostarly
          August 14, 2016 at 8:47 am

          Looking for land like that

          • TrudyBruinsma
            August 14, 2016 at 11:29 am

            I am soon offering my beautiful 2acs of sacred Indian land [InscriptionCanyon Prescott AZ] goodwell/septic 2miles in at 4500′ elev 2 room T111 building available w/Porch/kitchen/BR/tile shower. OK but small. Also 2006 travel trlr ground set. AC both/propane lease. 2 more sheds for storage use. Can still build cabin/site bilt home or mobile home. Fully fenced with top quality no climb fence/automatic gate. Limited livestock like horses,chickens,beef Dogs must be kept on property. Native trees & big boulders w/shaded slate patio. Very pretty setting. Recently Appraised

    • Ken
      August 13, 2015 at 3:47 pm

      I have three Acres in TN/NC border in the mountains . In national forest and in a Bear preserve and great game hunting. 1400SF Two bedroom on 3/4 basement with flowing spring in basement. Completely remolded inside and the outside could use siding …It’s vinyl at present or leave as is for lower Taxes…. Also have a NEW 45K Generac if the deal is right.

      • ken
        October 3, 2015 at 4:00 pm

        My number here in TN 423 791 1785

      • Charlie
        October 3, 2015 at 4:08 pm

        Hello Ken,

        I would like to get more info from you, I will be in TN and NC in a couple of weeks looking for property to buy. Let me have your email or number.

        • Greg Hodges
          December 14, 2015 at 8:50 am

          I am not an real estate broker. I have nine acres that rises from the bank of watauga river to about 900ft. in elev. Its near a small town, semi secluded. Its an easy to defend bug out place, and has been in the family for >40 years. Sadly I lost my leg and so my plans have changed considerably, hence the sale. The land is great for development too. Anyway, I am asking 8k an acre which is a bargain.

      • chas
        October 7, 2015 at 3:24 pm

        asking price please cc.

      • charles
        July 23, 2016 at 2:41 pm

        Whats your asking price.

    • Angie
      August 20, 2015 at 9:49 am

      I have a get away that would make a great bug out for someone looking to get away from the city. It’s located in Folkston GA. (5 miles out of town) I am on the backside of a 40 acre lake, house is on the lake with an acre of land for outbuildings, garden etc. This property is surrounded by 800 acre tree farm and woods. Call or text me for pictures, you can look at google earth, address 0 Stokes Lake Rd. Folkston Ga. Price $55000

      • Angie
        August 20, 2015 at 9:59 am

        Forgot to add my phone number! 321-501-8051

        • Michelle Decker
          August 20, 2015 at 10:26 am

          Please send me pictures of your property if it is still available.

    • Harry
      September 13, 2015 at 9:06 am

      Jon I am looking for a similar land parcel to go off the grid in these areas. Please reply with what you have available ASAP!

      Thanks Harry

    • John Plewes
      December 5, 2015 at 8:02 pm

      Jon – Please send contact info so we can communicate about locations and opportunities / properties in NC. Thanks, John

    • OrganicMum
      February 5, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      Lol. No…but there are pleanty of empty million dollar homes here in the winter or atleast half-time to squat in! NC has taxed anyone NOT from Miami out of the system. Nonetheless, the forests will be filled with clueless morons from Florida.

    • OledihardEnter your name...
      April 8, 2016 at 5:20 pm

      Tennessee and the Carolinas have had bad weather; animals, especially the Black Bears, have been dying of starvation this past 2015. Trees and fruit bearing plants didn’t produce well for a few years now and wildlife is endangered.

      • tam
        July 13, 2016 at 8:05 pm

        I don’t know where in NC you are referencing but our area of NC is perfect for a survival lifestyle. Geothermal belt location great for growing food, no hurricanes or tornados, secluded, no zoning, mostly food animals for wildlife. Climate is super important for easy survival.

        • bryan gullette
          February 20, 2017 at 9:59 am

          hi there. is there any more land available in that area?
          i’m temporarily in blueridge while looking for land.

    • SUSAN
      May 7, 2016 at 6:35 pm

      WESTER NORTH CAROLINA IS PRECISELY WHERE I WANT TO MOVE!!!!!!! please email me so i can give you my #

      • tam
        July 13, 2016 at 7:57 pm

        I don’t know about the mentioned property but I have a great forty acre property super for homesteading or prepped lifestyle. Some open for farming, some wooded. In the middle of the Isothermal Belt of western NC. Portion very secluded. Neighbors private and prepper minded. Between Charlotte and Asheville. No zoning in the county. Good well area and all will perk. 8 miles from town. $5,000 per acre with owner financing. No trailers except wood sided. Can be split into ten acre’ve parcels, buyer pays for survey. I am a r e broker but this is mypersonal land.

      • Robin
        August 14, 2016 at 10:57 am

        I have a house with around 32 acres in remote Graham County NC. There is running water, forest, standing timber and arable land for crops and pasture along with fruit trees. Easily accessible yet away from the paved road it is a perfect retreat location. I can be reached at: therobinhode at

    • Lana
      July 4, 2016 at 2:10 am

      Having visited from Hawaii I agree you have the most beautiful State of any I have visited with the best tasting spring water there I have ever had in my life. I am going to hide out on a private island in french Polynesia with a lagoon in the middle of it. No water but enough catchment and coconuts looking into deal. Lots of sunshine for solar.

  2. Ty Moore
    September 27, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Sounds like just what I’m looking for in the NC mountains.

  3. J Campbell
    September 27, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    I have 58 acres for sell, great survial place…Ozark mountains, Arkansas~

    • Kim
      September 29, 2012 at 12:19 am

      I am interested in hearing about the property you have for sale in the Ozarks.

      thank you

      • Evan
        September 11, 2013 at 7:36 am

        I have 30 acres for sale in Hot Sprngs Arkansas National Park area. One road up the side of the mountain and maintain by the county. This property has an old building 40 by 240 feet long where they cut whetstones for sharping knives. It has the old pit mine that would make a great shelter for you and alot of your friends (include me). PS. The radiation is coming !

        • Daniten
          November 11, 2013 at 1:28 pm

          How much do you want for it?

        • Len
          December 15, 2013 at 8:47 am

          What’s the MLS? Or is it in Craigslist?

          • Jimmy
            August 15, 2014 at 5:46 pm

            If you are looking into the Ozarks as a refuge then you may want to consider that it is located very close to the New Madrid Seismic Zone. google it. Admittedly it was my first thought for BOL since I have family ’round ’bout there. However if Yellowstone were to go then New Madrid would most likely follow suit. It all depends on what event will take place.

        • sandra
          September 21, 2015 at 7:33 pm

          what are you asking for it?

    • William Terry
      January 17, 2014 at 10:45 am

      Interested in the 58 acres!

    • doug bushong
      April 27, 2014 at 6:04 pm

      where is your land located

    • JD
      February 20, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      I have a spot offered to me in Clarksville, Arkansas.

      I have a few water ways. Is there a way to look at flood maps for that area?

      Also, how would someone dig a underground shelter with all the dam satellites around and google images.

    • avietnamvet69
      March 21, 2015 at 7:05 am

      I love the Ozark Mountains, they are beautiful and would make a great place to setup a comfortable Bug-Out location.
      I’d build my cabin somewhere deep in the middle of that land but still leave myself a way to get to a town or place I can go to purchase the things I need if at all possible. Being these towns are far removed from the epi-center of a disaster or nuclear attack, it would take a while to get to my location high up in the Ozarks. Easy place to build a comfortable log cabin style home. Need to learn to be as self-sufficient as possible. Grow my own vegetables, have small chicken coup raise a few chicken and rabbits for meat and eggs. There must be plenty of reliable 365 day water sources.

    September 27, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    gps mappingdevice become a nomad constantly on the move become aquianted with great areas know your land the government cant seize or scruw with u do huntin dont use highways if possible by horseback crosscountry far from people

  5. With respect, people, you should be looking for a bolthole outside your own country. I have written two short posts on my blog with the title “Looking for boltholes”, about my own options, and they don’t include anywhere in the US. It’s really not too, too radical a solution, I think

    • Late but catchin up
      October 6, 2012 at 12:41 pm

      When the SHTF, how can anyone be SURE of getting out ? Plane flight, train’s, buses, will all be shut down. Think about driving across the border, I’m sure we’ll be welcomed with open arms, well maybe ar’s, ak’s, or the like !

      • chrissy
        August 11, 2014 at 7:17 am

        Hi there. I’m looking for a survival place with some source of water year round it will be used to live in,looming for something with owner finance as I will. Not deal with the banks. Thank in advace

        • l.morgan
          August 2, 2015 at 4:40 am

          we have 9 solor poweredhomes on our 20 yearorganic farm two miles of clean river,31 springs 3 mile driveway,all houses have gravity flow water county pop. 7000. selling two 10 ac. tracts along river but don’t flood.615 545 7241.

          • sandra
            September 21, 2015 at 7:28 pm

            where is your land?? does it have a house on property by river?? what are you asking??

          • Charlie
            October 3, 2015 at 4:14 pm

            I’m interested, where is your land, and price?

          • Maria Cremer
            December 7, 2015 at 5:50 pm

            are you still selling lots?
            where is the property located?

    • Just Spitballin here
      February 5, 2013 at 10:10 am

      Gordon, I like the idea of fleeing of fleeing to another country if the situation occurs that ours is simply unfit for survival. My only hang-up is that if the crisis is worldwide, all cultures and countries are historically (and even presently) inclined to blame “foreigners” for many of their problems: Roman Palestine, Nazi Germany and the universal immigration issue. So I would conclude that IF you are able to safely escape to a foreign country, it’s imperative that you are able to COMPLETELY blend in

      • timber
        January 24, 2014 at 5:54 pm

        going to another country blind don’t seem like a plan. how about a remote summer getaway,under 100mi. away you can develope

  6. rev. dave
    September 29, 2012 at 6:17 am

    Thinking in print here…. It seems that no matter where you are, the more remote you are the better off you’ll be in a crisis. Government is not likely to commit big numbers of men, equipment or dollars to go out in the country where they are easy targets, and where their targets are widely dispersed – especially when the ‘control bang for the bucks’ are in the cities, as well as the biggest need for control.

    Also, think about the notorious guys who successfully hid in mountains – Eric Rudolph is one, hiding in NC for about 8 years. And that Serbian guy – Mladic was it? – he hid in the mountains basically in open sight while merely keeping a low profile.

    Gordon – I think your idea about boltholes is worth considering, and I read your posts. But I think there is a limitation on that idea, as would be true of most ideas. It seems to me that an out of country hideout will only be of real value if you face a crisis in your country that isn’t everywhere – or if you’re in a place like you are where you don’t have options to lay low because you stick out or because of the small size and difficulty of getting away unnoticed.

    In the event of a world wide crisis however (banking crash, oil supply crash, NWO takeover attempt, pandemic) if you are able to have an ‘in country’ remote location prepped, you may be better off. First, because if it’s a world wide problem, it will exist wherever you go. Second, you’re still a ‘local’ even if from far away, as opposed to someone who can’t speak the language or is of an obviously different race or culture – so it should be easier to ‘fit in’ and not be noticed by any authorities.

    Those are my current thoughts. What do you folks think?

    • Mike
      September 29, 2012 at 6:53 am

      I would concur. Fleeing to another country, while it may sound like a good idea to become an ex-patriot, there is no assurance conditions will be any better wherever you migrate to, and unless you have lived there for years you would still be considered an ‘outsider.’

      Additionally, if you were to fly to your foreign location and your timing was off, if the event had resulted in an EMP, you and everyone on your plane would become a statistic.

      I certainly would not want to be deep inside a metropolitan area; the outskirts would at least be better than midtown, giving you a head start before the masses congest the exit routes.

      Hide in plain sight, keeping a low profile, have an appearance of a non-combatant or otherwise not an individual to be considered will most likely be the condition to get by on. Be ready to respond if conditions warrant, but a complacent outward ‘appearance’ may be your saving grace.

    • Mike and Dave: Being an outsider in a Police State might have some advantages, in a worldwide crisis. Outsiders would not be perceived as a threat to the establishment (they virtually never are, in Police States), and a bit of judiciously placed cash might buy favours that it wouldn’t do in one’s own country. I don’t want to come across as a heartless cynic, but we are speaking of a world in which civil conduct is turned upside down.

      Prior exposure to foreign countries and cultures is important, of course. I really do recommend that US residents check some places out before the likely SHTF event.

      • rev. dave
        September 29, 2012 at 11:55 am

        Gordon – more info please. I’ll buy that some cash might buy favors, and coin or jewelry might buy more. I might (maybe) even consider that you’d be less a target of the police state.

        But what makes you think that your outsider status wouldn’t at the same time make you a ready target for the locals to rob, kidnap, or whatever? As you say, civil conduct is turned upside down. It seems to me like breaking even on protection vs. crime is your best bet this way, and you’re out the cash. Staying ‘home’ with a low profile in a remote area is to my thinking equally safe.

        • Dave. The main target of robbers will be preppers with food. In a seriously chaotic world, actual cash money might lose most or all of its value.

          Also,I used to “travel poor” – though more in my youth than later (read the travel-tales on my blog), and even now I exude an aura of ineffectuality rather than of wealth.

          Our son has never lost all his hippy ways, and ten years ago lived for a time in a tree-house with his girlfriend and her baby. Later, he lived on the streets of a major town. Nobody ever thought to kidnap him for his parents’ money. Maybe he and we have just been lucky. We’ll find out soon enough, I guess…!

          Finally, you have to consider my age. At over 70, I don’t have as many years to survive the chaos as you probably do.

          • rev. dave
            October 1, 2012 at 7:19 am

            Thanks Gordon. I don’t have those experiences myself, so I wouldn’t have that view of things. Which means I’ll accept your explanation and try to integrate it into my thinking for the Hegelian synthesis it’ll produce.

            It sounds as though your experience is that a ‘low profile’ helps more than I expected, though I am in agreement about low profile. I suppose one could do prepping quietly, in small increments, and keep it hidden somehow to avoid being a target. And not looking too well fed, clothed or armed is apparently one way to keep it hidden, based on your comments. That doesn’t mean ‘un-‘ any of it, but merely that one be discretely so. Is that a correct understanding, or is your point more that one only needs minimal anything to get by? (I would agree with that too.)

            As for age, I’m 63. But I’m trying to set things up to offer safe haven to the kids and theirs, and also just to be sure I’m not a ‘casualty’ of the event simply because I did nothing to avoid that status. You know, choosing to NOT BE an easy victim of events or people.

          • mortarman11c
            May 2, 2014 at 9:03 pm

            There are two ways to travel in the first few days of a SHTF scenario. First is to travel with very little so that you look like a waste of time to mess with. Second, is to get any and all of your prepper friends together and move as a single unit armed to the teeth. If you have a group of 30-50 depending on who makes it like I do that target is too big for most roving bands in the beginning. I would like to move to my BOL with 30 of my closest friends armed well. just a thought

    • Ragnarocker
      October 2, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      I am part of the NWO and we don’t want to take over so much as just lol at these comments. Worry about a Mexican invasion, oh wait, it is going on…

      • J.J.
        October 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm

        Right now as I write this a wall is being built on our southern border with Mexico. Do you think it is to keep out the Mexicans? Or maybe to keep us in? Get out of the USA my fellow Americans. The USA has been targeted for termination because we are the only country still standing in the way of the NWO. The southern hemisphere looks good to me.

  7. Midknight
    October 1, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Guys, I see some of you guys own good property, but I don’t have the money to be able to rent out or buy the land. What would you guys suggest?

    • Trenton
      March 10, 2014 at 6:17 pm

      Find someone who needs help and time invested in their property and make an agreement.

      • Crikeythecowsareout
        June 12, 2014 at 7:40 pm

        I second that. People who need the man hours will probably repay the favour in kind. Labour is so expensive and any hours and trade you can offer will be an asset.

    • mortarman11c
      May 2, 2014 at 9:07 pm

      Most people with land will need others to make it work. If you can help with the buildup in the beginning and offer skills they dont have that will work for you. You can also offer to help with security during the SHTF. Nobody can make it alone

  8. Grannylou
    October 1, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    If someone lives in a rural area on 90+ acres, ponds, woods and fields, 5 to 10 miles from a town of about 300 population. Place is paid for, pretty good start on prep however house frontage on main county road, 30 miles from larger town/city, large family nearby, plenty of hunting, fishing, local gardens, would you guys recommend leaving for an isolated bugout place or just hunkering down?

    • rev. dave
      October 3, 2012 at 7:36 am

      Grannylou, there are a lot of variables to consider, and many are based in your own preferences and confidence. You sound pretty well set for long-term living already, so it’s mostly the crisis situation you’d need to worry about.

      My first thought is whether your 300 pop town is between you and the bigger one, or on the other side of you from the big one – any trouble coming from the bigger one might be mitigated by the smaller town if it’s between you and the big one.

      You can do ‘landscaping’ to make your home more secure. Cattle guards in the driveway for warnings, thorny hedges along the road – set back enough to let them grow big and ‘wild’ and look like there’s nothing behind them. Roses climbing flimsy arbors on your porch, or under your windows – flimsy so no person can climb them. Hawthorn trees, cat briar, thorny locust, etc. are good hedge materials. Look at the european style of building hedgerows too. Check local / state laws – you may be able to unroll some barbed wire in the hedges too. If you have weapons, you can landscape your place to direct any unwanted visitors into areas with no protection for them but good visibility for you to defend yourself.

      Can you afford or do you have some animals? Guinea hens and geese are pretty noisy and territorial. Several small dogs are good alarms too – and harder for intruders to hit, kick or shoot (my mini-dachs rescue dogs are VERY defensive of their homes, eat little, and can bite like a dog 3 times their size – I know because they are rescues and I have the scars to show).

      With 90 acres, you could create a ‘bunker’ home of sorts back where it’s entirely hidden from view, and in the event of a crisis just move there. Make sure your stores are there, not in the main house.

      So there are lots of options, and you’ll have to think of what works for you, in which kinds of situations they will work (not all crises are going to require shooting, not all are going to require heading to the hills, and is some you might be ideally situated to help local folks and make a big profit too), and how much you’re willing to invest now in planning for an uncertain event.

  9. Omegaman
    October 2, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Check out the FEMA nuclear target map posted on the “resources” page of It will make you think harder about where you may want to live…

    • Mr M
      October 7, 2012 at 2:07 am

      From what I know from military friends, it seems much more likely there is going to be a double or triple attack. I’d guess a man-made tsunami similar to the 2004 Indian Ocean tsumani and the more recent 2011 Fukushima event. Both have irrefutable evidence of sabotage. Joe Vialls wrote about the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami before he met an untimely death and could upload Part 2, but recently ex NSA contractor Jim Stone has done a fantastic job with the Fukushima evidence. Seems it was a matter of nuclear sabotage because of a pending uranium deal with Iran for energy purposes. His blog is still up at if youre interested.

      In any case, aside from 1 or more unnatural disasters, it seems there is much training going on for a bio attack. THere’s been a blatant censorship of the many anthrax, swine flu, synthia, & even the plague epidemics that are currently going on throughout the US & Western Europe. I’d keep this in mind as much, if not more so, than a nuclear threat. If there is a nuclear event, I’d imagine it would be an EMP attack from altitude, and/or an “accident” at another reactor.

      • NOLAPREP1
        April 23, 2013 at 5:02 pm

        There’s a reactor in Taft, Louisiana that would effectively close down the mouth of the Mississippi River. There are numerous oil field refineries there also. It would make it impossible to move barges or ships into the Gulf of Mexico. It’s not too far from New Orleans where we flood over a little rain. Not a good place to be.

    • John
      November 29, 2013 at 7:28 pm

      …You realize that if even 1/3rd of those targets were ever actually hit it wouldn’t matter where you are? Unless you’re in a bunker 1000s of feet behind solid granite for about 170years. Herp derp. You got water for like 3 months?

    • Charlie
      October 3, 2015 at 4:41 pm

      Great map, thanks for the info.

  10. Andrea
    October 4, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    I live in Central Florida, it’s rural and only takes 5 minutes to find yourself deep in the woods or surrounded by acres upon acres of cow pastures. While I hate the Florida climate, it provides for a never-ending growing season and we have never had the need to heat the house in the winter. Plenty of wildlife, if you don’t mind the occasional gator steak. Some of our surrounding counties are very laid back with their code enforcement. Seems that you can pretty much do whatever you want on your land. Solar panels are the best way to go – it’s called the Sunshine State for a reason. Drilling a well is a piece of pie, you’ll hit water after only a few feet.

    • John
      November 29, 2013 at 7:30 pm

      Florida will not exist as the ice caps continue to melt. You can stay there, but you might want to consider making a house boat.

      • J.J.
        October 29, 2014 at 10:24 pm

        John, A house boat won’t work because of the Great Earth Changes that are coming. Perhaps a submarine would. Every year we see The Global Super Storms increasing getting larger and larger. Mother Earth is tired of these fleas that keep biting her in the back…soon she will shake these fleas off by rolling over on her axis. Are you prepared for mile high tidal waves?

  11. Schwenkydave
    October 15, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    I wonder about the diversity of areas & populations in this country. What will the masses do? What will the government do? Specifically as it pertains to city / urban, suburban, rural and ‘wild’ areas. I worry that every city and suburban dweller is goingto rush to the mountains and I wonder to ehat extent the govenment will try to contain populations in rural and suburban areas. What do you all think?

    • Off Grid Survival
      October 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm

      Prepping for a flood of people from the cities is definitely something you have to keep in mind when choosing a location. In my opinion the farther you can get away from a densely populated area, the safer you’ll be. While I think a lot of these people will “head for the hills.” Most of the don’t have the skills or the planning in place to get very far.

      • Echo
        April 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm

        my kids and i have been speaking of this lately. i have told the kids that even tho we are at the edge of the smoky mountains here in tn i would feel better about it if we were all in the mid to western states because of population density. the ozarks sound mighty good as an area to move towards. less population, water sources and hunting opportunities.

  12. Schwenky. I think “the masses” will sit tight and rely on handouts from the authorities; think “the proles” in Orwell’s “1984”. Relatively few will head for the hills, where their main enemy will be shot preppers with guns. Those who somehow survive in the countryside and become self-supporting in spite of everything – well, think of how the European settlers in America dealt with the natives with smallpox-infected blankets. Think diseases, deliberately spread.

    The sociopaths in charge of the US (and other countries) have studied history; they know what happened in Cambodia and Soviet Ukraine. They also know what is happening now in Haiti and Palestine. Both urban proles and rural refugees will be sitting ducks for the authorities’ gangs.

    Two recent blog-posts of mine tackle the topic of bolt-holes. The posts offer only the most general and superficial of comments – far, far, inferior to stuff in this Offgrid site – but they might not be a bad place to start.

  13. evone
    November 16, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I live in northern az and we have no way of digging in so to speak as we are on a mountain. If you can dig 3 ft it would be a miracle. I am very concerned as to where to take refuge. Just thinking here that even if you have a small dwelling out in the woods they can scan and find a dime on a side walk from space. I think we should try and find a underground dugout, but again we are out of luck there. I was also hoping for a cave but believe it or not there are no caves… ahhhhh very frustrated does anyone have any ideas how to be safe here?

    • Jay
      May 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm

      Evone, I live in Flag. Perhaps we should meet and discuss things.

    • J.J.
      October 29, 2014 at 10:34 pm

      evone, follow the lead of the Hopi Indians, they are going underground. But the problem is you can’t stay down there forever. When you pop back up the air will probably kill you, just look at the Chem Trails over your own head now days.

  14. Joker
    December 4, 2012 at 12:16 am

    I have a plan that i am comfortable with for when SHTF. Granted i don’t own any property, but i do plan on going very far away and starting over. My question to all is. During the inital phase of total chaos, do you think the military will play a major role in trying to keep people locked doen to the local areas?

    • Camron
      December 15, 2012 at 4:32 pm

      If at all, not at first. I am in the military, and i know it takes a few days to mobilize the regulars. as to the national guard, i do not know.

      • J.J.
        October 29, 2014 at 10:47 pm

        There is no where to run to really. Satan knows he has lost the war with God, but he is so stubborn he says “if I can’t have it, nobody will want it”. He plans to destroy everything. Armegedon is just around the corner…so there is no where to run to, no where to hide. This is it, this time of the end that the Mayan Indians wrote about thousands of years ago. We have been living on borrowed time since December 21, 2012

        • Grace
          November 23, 2014 at 5:18 am

          J.J. You are right that there is no place we can truly hide.However,if G-d protects us and reveals to us safety measures he wants us to take, we will find no greater safety.

          But, before we rely on HIM we,
          Christians must right themselves with G-d and follow HIM. No matter what horrors are going on around us HE will take care of HIS children.

  15. Bret
    December 4, 2012 at 6:20 am

    I live in East Nebraska and am having problems finding an affordable piece of ground – finding the perfect spot as described is not in the budget so I am trying to find some ground that is 1) secluded 2) wooded 3) relativley close to water all the rest I will just have to deal with. I have been looking but can’t find anything……..any ideas or help?

    • Scott grimes
      March 22, 2013 at 5:36 pm

      Is it still available.

  16. madelyn
    December 8, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Strategic Relocation: North American Guide to Safe Places by Joel Skousen takes every U.S. state rated on a scale of 1 to 5 with 5 the safest. Answers all the questins here and more. Also l hr. video on youtube.

  17. Brian Schmuhl
    December 16, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Good plans when you have the money. But what about budget BOL I have a 60×20 concrete garage on my property that my kids and grand kids will bug out to if needed. I would like to know how people are setting up their bunkers to survive SHTF senarios or post some bunker layouts to help others with their BOL bunkers for new or seasoned preppers

  18. Loretta
    December 22, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    I know of a perfect spot for a medium group for a retreat, if you are interested let me know … It is located in Bridhewater, Ma. and it has acres of land A hugh house perfect for group, and I could even send the wevsite for you to see
    Hope to hear from you! Loretta

    • EZ
      September 16, 2013 at 5:01 pm

      Hey Loretta,

      I am interested. Please let me know how I can get more details from you.


      E Z.

  19. Dan Carroll
    February 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    We have a 100’x100′ property in the town of Butte, NE pop.326 with a 1978 20×66′ 3B/R, 2 BA MH on it. Utilities in, 2 car garage, shed min.20×20′. MH sits on 20×66′ concrete basement with approx. 8′ headroom. Tons of potential. Can send pics.

    Asking $24,500. 2012 taxes $217.

    • Rick Strickland
      February 8, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      Is your property still available?k
      I currently live near Kansas City.


    • Rick Strickland
      February 8, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      Is your property still available?k
      I currently live near Kansas City.
      If property is still available would you please e-mail me.
      I’m looking for remote property within 200 miles of Kansas city.


      • rick
        January 11, 2015 at 4:59 pm

        I’ve purchased a wonderful mountain property with solar electricity, good well, cool summers, ,not too bad winters in Mexico. Super stealth underground bunker (750 sf) and 1200 sf cabin 1200 feet away.
        good hardwoods, pines, deer, fish, spring fed 2 hectometer 12′ deep pond on property. Next door neighbor, retired American 60 year old Doctor and wife only half a mile down mountain road.

  20. Denis Dufrenne
    February 27, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Anyone have any thoughts on buying a small log cabin kit? Strategic Relocation: North American Guide to Safe Places by Joel Skousen suggests a location east of Lubbock, TX. Anyone know of land 30+ miles east of Lubbock? We have a local vendor that makes some of the best cabins in the US.

  21. Brenda Stickney
    June 19, 2013 at 6:29 am

    Google properties in Andover Maine and on Craigs List. Its at the end of the road!

  22. jack-of-all-trades
    June 19, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    I live in a small country in the northern part of Europe, called Denmark, the entire country is only 5 million squaremeters, the entire population is 5.2 milllion people.
    And even though we are almost half the population of we have more than 20 different dialects.
    To the east of Denmark, lies Sweden. I have less than 20 miles to the Swedish border, og approximately 100 miles due south to the German border.
    The swedes I can understand, its almost the same language, give and take, but they would know instantly that I’m a Dane.
    The germans too, but this time its a completely different languages, the only goodside is that our languages originates from latin, and therefore, possible to make one another understand.
    Where I’m going with this, is that you guys, as Americans have a huge country, loads of space, different environments, and possibilities to stay, in your country, maybe not your county, but still…. the language barrier wouldn’t be a problem.
    Unless TSreallyHTF and you have to head north.
    Would you be able to change the American HUH, to the Canadian EH ???
    Just kidding ;-)
    I believe that if you stay clear, of the big cities, your survival chances are that much higher, and that moving to another country, to speak a different language , and try to fit in, will only help for so long.
    Because when all comes to all, we tend to care for our own. And if you’re not it, youare left worse than before you migrated.

    • Terrie
      September 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm

      But there are so many little villages seperated, which could help in buying some time. And I don’t believe, Scandinavian countries are on a high TSHTF list. I know my second home is in Sweden, however, being able to get there if or when TSHTF, here could be a major problem.

      I’d think for you, Sweden, would be the better option due to the language. German, to me is sooooo different. :)

      Yes, here we have much more land, but most live in highly dense areas, and getting away from those dense areas can sometimes take hours.

  23. anyone looking for partnership?
    July 12, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Have a property in rural northern pennsylvania. Still have a mortgage and looking to partnership with someone to get mortgage down but share as a bug out location. Plenty of water and natural resources. Well hidden and nestled within a very respectable township community.

    • Jerome
      September 8, 2014 at 9:04 am

      I am looking for a bugout location.Would love to have a partner

      • J.J.
        October 29, 2014 at 11:08 pm

        Jerome, I believe Ezekiel was the only one who got away from Earth. He may still be zooming around the Universe in that UFO? A pardner won’t help. You need to look into the eyes of a wolf…there you will see your own soul…hope you like what you see. Instead of scurring around like a bunch of mice knowing the cat is gonna get us..lets get right with God first. I don’t mean to preach just stating a fact. After all this is the bottom line isn’t it?

  24. Evan
    September 11, 2013 at 7:38 am

    I have 30 acres for sale in Hot Sprngs Arkansas National Park area. One road up the side of the mountain and maintain by the county. This property has an old building 40 by 240 feet long where they cut whetstones for sharping knives. It has the old pit mine that would make a great shelter for you and alot of your friends (include me). PS. The radiation is coming !

    • Jason
      September 14, 2013 at 11:10 am

      Evan, I’ll be in Hot Springs next week, can you email me directions so I can check out the property? JasonBellJr at gmail dot com

  25. tim
    December 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    130 acres in central west Virginia. One hand dug well, tested good water, two natural springs, not close but are on the property. Just started the cabin. Working on solar energy, wind or something that takes me off the grid. heat is wood stove I built. Came a long way, but seems to be a long way to go.

    • EJ
      July 13, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      Hi Tim! How are things developing in W Virginia? I had a similar interest in building a bug-out home in W Virginia. Any tips?

  26. Len
    December 15, 2013 at 9:05 am

    What’s the MLS? Or is it in Craigslist?

    • Anthony
      January 5, 2014 at 12:31 pm

      Not on market yet with Realtor. Best of both worlds. Ultimate WTSHTF survival retreat w/o being a 2-3 day drive from East Coast or so secluded that you’re bored out of your skull. Henderson County, North Carolina Mountain Retreat. 3 private acres with flat growing area for greenhouse or garden. 3 sources of water (including running stream and deep well on property), 3 sources of heat, 8KW Generac generator, 500lb. propane tank in ground, sited in to be nestled with a ridge protecting the North & West sides of the home (think Nuclear blast) and to maximize sunlight in home to the South & East. 6 bedrooms, 4.5 baths, 3 fireplaces, over 5,000 square feet, oversized garage, 2 level custom home built in 2008 (all new) with great storage space. Within a 1 day drive from most cities but not too close. Highly defensible property. Gated to prevent vehicle access when you want or need this. Asking only $950,000 (will negotiate for a cash offer). Divorce causes sale or I’d keep the home forever. Call Anthony at: (828) 489-1940 for more info.

  27. David
    January 6, 2014 at 10:33 am

    2000 sf. log home 3/1/2, 20 miles outside Fairbanks AK on 5 wooded acres with a well where you can still legally burn wood in a fireplace or stove without getting a ticket like on the rest of the west coast. You can buy/sell firearms without registration and carry open or concealed w/o a permit…welcome to freedom. $125K

    • Rick-D
      December 10, 2014 at 5:28 am

      Is the place still up for sale?

  28. Larry
    February 11, 2014 at 9:53 am

    I live in illinois across from St Louis, Mo. Not sure where a good place to hide living here. Any ideas?

  29. tdusmc
    February 25, 2014 at 10:14 am

    looking for remote area in pa. if anyone has any for sale or tips where to look please feel free to point me in right direction

  30. patricia dankiw
    March 4, 2014 at 7:19 am

    I have a 121 acres in southern Vermont on the side of a mountain. There is a stream that borders the property. It has a logging contract, but it can be bought out. I would like a 150,000.00 or best offer.

  31. Dwayne
    May 12, 2014 at 11:40 am

    highly defendable end of road property. outsider vantage point 7 miles away.560 acres+- 400 deeded 160blm lease.180-200 tillable acres. 3 good deep wells,1 with operating windmill and storage.3200 sq.ft.home 1600 living and 1600 heated garage, 800 attic easy convert to living. 3200 sq ft. steel building for storage. 10k propane generator, 800w wind turbine and battery bank w/6k inverters.plenty of wind for expansion. 2500 gal. propane storage. 4types heat, wood stoves, pellet stoves, propane, and heat pump. home 9 years old… perfect permanant bug out for larger fam. high desert se wyoming. 307-331-4496 serious only 800k.for info.

    • jennifer
      May 21, 2014 at 12:27 pm

      the number listed abouve is no longer in service .. any serious inquiries please call 307-331-8388

  32. Jesse
    June 9, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Montana, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine. Great gun laws in all four. Rugged terrain and great rivers in all four states no hurricanes, tornados, great soild for growing. Low population densities. Tough winters for the unprepared so most people will head south. During a disaster. In fact VT, NH, and Maine are far enough from urban areas but close enough for occasional visiting. Ocean and large lakes nearby. Lake Champlain in VT connects to the ocean in both directions. Plus numerous islands and same with NH and ME.

  33. Anne
    June 11, 2014 at 10:50 am

    I will try this again. Our family is stuck in Kissimmee Florida. We have no means to leave this place for a safe haven. We have started food cache.

    We can’t leave here because of my husband job, at times I get the attitude from him and he does not understand the dangers he is putting family in. When it happens, we have no firearms or nothing, no bug out place. I have to tell you, I am so darn scared of what is going to happen when one of these idiots pushes the wrong button and emp where we are then? No lights, water, protection. I refuse to go into a fema camp. That from what I have been reading would be a death sentence.

    What can I do to make it safer, where in Florida would be a safe place to go. I believe in what you are all doing and couldn’t agree more.

    Thanks for your time.


    Have you ever read anything about free unclaimed land?

    • Ane
      June 11, 2014 at 10:55 am

      Sorry about the grammar issues, it was hard putting my fears in print. I just don’t know where or what to do from here. It looks like all the things I am doing for my family will got to thugs on the prowl, who didn’t prepare. The out come scares me.

      • J.J.
        October 29, 2014 at 11:29 pm

        Hi Anne, Try not to worry. It only makes things worse. When you worry you can’t think straight. Are you worried you might die? That’s a worry we all have because we don’t know what is beyond death. I have died and got to come back because my work was yet not finished. You know it is really nice over there. Heaven was so peaceful I didn’t want to come back here to this reality as it really is hell to live this life. Know that we don’t die, only our body dies. Our spirit lives on. When we die, we just go home that is all there is to it.

      • Charlie
        October 3, 2015 at 5:17 pm

        Hi Anne, I’m in Florida too, but I also don’t think Florida will survive, there’s just not enough elevation anywhere. That’s why I’m looking for something in the mountains. I also think that you’ll have at least a couple of years to convince your husband. Good luck to you Anne.

    • pat
      April 30, 2015 at 4:07 am

      i live in kissimmee also and looking for a bug out location. there has to be somewhere but i think we may have to get an airboat and head for some of the islands that are located between kiss and melbourne which are surranded by march land. gatters no problem as i have grown up around them and know how to kill them also they make a source of fresh meat. i have firepower and 40 years of shotting knowledge. i have 5 family members all ouer 23 one has medical knowledge and is also a chef. all we need to get is more food supplies and an air boat. i am working on both. and then we will have to build a building to live in. i have physical limitations so there needs to be some men with us to help. i am currently getting my funds out of my 401k before september of this year before i loss it all to big o.

      • Nicole
        June 14, 2015 at 2:41 am

        We are currently in the same boat per se as we’re still living in Lake Wales. I hate being the bearer of bad news but there isn’t anywhere in Florida that you’ll be safe, your best bet is to get to higher ground as we’re trying to do. My husband is a combat veteran who was an environmental compliance officer both before and during his military career. I’m afraid the reason that there are so many incentives for veterans to move their families here right now is because they are trying to do the same thing that they did in the 1920’s in the Keys to the veterans. They were sent to the Keys as a plan by the government to gainfully employ a bunch of men they had amassed and taught the ways of war to after there was no longer a war to fight and they were no longer needed. This mass discharge from the military caused a social problem (like today’s PTSD). So they were sent to the Keys to start working on Hwy 1, thousands of men in canvas tents with no warning were left to face the storm of the century, against a storm surge that moved steam engines off of their tracks and made the highest points of the islands disappear underneath 15ft of ocean water. The History Channel did a great piece on it. After you’ve searched for the full story, then research the Florida budget geared towards getting as many vets to move to florida as they can today. Plus Florida is already home to the largest number of combat veterans both young and old. Now take your storm of the century and make it biblical; not poseidon little g godlike, but in fact 4 horsemen, apocalypse, Revelation, the one and only big G. That is your climate change; Florida is a giant sandbar, if you’ve travelled the coastal triangle you can see the depth of the water is roughly 10′ for miles and miles. Storm surges or rising sea levels from the melting ice caps move sandbars and wash them away. We’ve been pumping sand into South Beach for years to keep that sand bar. If this sounds a little jumbled up I’m sorry trying to type as fast as my husband is talking. He said that if anyone would like more information he’d be happy to email you. He’s been researching this stuff extensively for the better part of 4 years now and has no problems giving his references. If interested please contact address provided in place of website.

  34. Dennis
    July 6, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Very defensible remote 80 acre former cattle farm in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula (Keweenaw). 100 yards from Lake Superior, 1/2 forested with pine, mixed hardwoods, sugar maples, birch. 1/2 cleared. Wild strawberries and blueberries everywhere – you might have to fight the bears over them! View of lake possible with selective tree trimming. Property is catty corner to large swath of state wilderness which has been basically untouched for 75-100yrs. Old farmhouse and out buildings on the parcel are not safe for entry but the possibilities for refurbishment are plentiful. Modern well (plus old well) in place might need attention. EXCELLENT hunting, fishing. Michigan has good gun laws. Tough winters, shorter summers but growing seasons can be plentiful if you know how and there’s always ice-fishing! Excellent area for wind turbines (US windmaps will confirm this). Asking $115,000, serious only. Look on for: 41036 Red Rock Rd, Lake Linden, MI 49945 for more info.

  35. K
    July 13, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Any property in Oregon…anyone?

  36. Joyce
    July 23, 2014 at 11:23 am

    Anne from kissimmee. No problem. Hurricans,need to store food and water for emergancies. Kids, join boyscouts,girl scouts or campfire girls. Need camping supplies for kids. Look up home made bows out of pvc for project for kids groups. Survival training for kids, haa. Don’t tell husband your plan. I live several hours from u. Hunting, fishing excellent in your area. Get copy of florida state parks. Its free. Use google earth to view large open areas to camp fish, ect.. Get whole family involved in the out doors. Camp eq can be found garage sales, thrift shops and cheap. U can prepare as a family and yo ho husband will not have a clue!!

  37. Jim B
    July 29, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Great article. I live in Omaha, Nebraska. Based on this I am screwed. However it appears to be a pretty good list of things to consider for a BOS. On second thought, I can see how this is even useful for me. Hmm.

  38. DonnaInVegas
    August 23, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Looking for peppers in the Vegas area. I am alone, disabled, 59 with a therapy/service pet. Looking for others who are like minded about bugging out, getting off the grid, hiding in plain sight….just getting into prepping…could use some help.

  39. Mark
    October 16, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    I have 200+ acres for sale near winnemucca Nevada great location

  40. Mark
    October 16, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    I have 200+ acres near Winemucca Nevada, roads have been cut, great location lots of potential. Priced to sell !

    • B Jean
      February 14, 2017 at 11:11 am

      do you still have property for sale?

  41. Le
    October 21, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Does anyone know of a good area to buy land for a bug out location in georgia? I’m from Atlanta and have been reading your posts lately and you make a lot of sense. Can you help point out two locations?
    1. one location that I can drive to with one gas tank from Atlanta? that has good resources
    2. another location good for survival as well a few hours away from Atlanta for long term survival?

    • NC Mtn Man
      November 17, 2014 at 7:04 am

      Le, I have 3 acres near Spruce Pine that’s ready to go with buried storage tanks and a 40 foot shipping container that is not visible from the air or road. It also comes stocked with lots of food stores. It has two streams running through it with crystal clear water year round. Many extras are included. Will accept best reasonable offer. Well over $60,000 invested.

      • NC Mtn Man
        November 17, 2014 at 7:06 am

        It would be just under 4 1/2 hours (248 miles) from the city center of Atlanta – obviously less if you are north of town.

      • Rick-D
        December 10, 2014 at 5:36 am

        Would love to look at this property, I’m in spartanburg south Carolina.

    • Rick
      August 4, 2015 at 12:46 pm

      I have a 27 acre property in NC mountains near Spruce Pine and Burnsville. 4 hours from Atlanta. Off grid log cabin with solar power. 800 feet of river frontage on N. Toe River. 2 springs on property Asking $309,900. Let me know if you are interested.

  42. Steve
    October 31, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    I would like the author’s thoughts on fire danger considerations as well. Is there a source for past incidence and scale of forest fires by area?

  43. NC Mtn Man
    November 13, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Hey Everyone, I have 3 acres near Spruce Pine that’s ready to go with buried storage tanks and a 40 foot shipping container that is not visible from the air or road. It also comes stocked with lots of food stores. It has two streams running through it with crystal clear water year round. Many extras are included. Will accept best reasonable offer. Well over $60,000 invested.

    • Rick-D
      December 10, 2014 at 5:40 am

      NC MTN MAN I’m interested in the property you have in Spruce Pine…Let me know if still available,look forward to hearing from you…..

    • graham
      February 20, 2015 at 5:59 pm

      do you still have property?

      • Patty
        March 29, 2015 at 1:46 pm

        I have land for sale that would make a great bug out/ prepper property. It is just a few hours from major cities like San Antonio, Dallas and Houston. This property has been privately owned by the same family for generations and is currently the only property for sale located directly on the San Antonio River. Description:77.097 high quality agricultural acres with frontage on the San Antonio River (which is perfect for water collecting and fishing) Fenced with access via private road. (Easily barricaded private road with only one way in and out). 2 Stock tanks (1 with pier built and ready for catfish). Plenty of grazing grass for livestock (Once held cattle, and horses for over 50 years and has been previously farmed for corn and hay, now deer roam freely). Mostly level with nicely wooded area at river end of the property. Natural Texas boar and wild turkey are abundant in this area. This preppers paradise is located on the border of the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone and the Artesian zone; where water collected from the Edwards aquifer recharge zone is pulled by gravity and becomes “trapped or held” within. The Artesian Zone has been be a great source of clear, drinkable water for the surrounding area since 1891, and will continue to support drinkable water for 100 more years to come. Utilities (gas, water, electricity, and telephone access avaliable). Water well property avaliable for sale seprately. No fault line, nuclear or population threats. This is truly a preppers paradise. Take a look or call David George 210-422-1767

  44. royce barker
    December 7, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    I am a Realtor in Wyoming, if someone is looking for secluded property there is lots to choose from. I recently made a deal on 60 acres with well and electricity for $80K there are good properties if you know where to look.

  45. rick
    January 11, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    Forget it,
    I’ve purchased 80 hectors and 1200sf cabin in the mountains of central Mexico.
    Super good people, very accommodating, ample clean water, fish and wildlife. Soil and water tested cleaner than any of the top 10 rated bug-out areas in U.S.
    Paid less than $25,000 USD turn key.

  46. Charisse Smoller
    February 12, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    Anyone know of a bugout property off of 17 between San Jose Ca and Santa Cruz Ca? Do people think that would be a good place? I’m afraid it might be too expensive but is there something small out there?

  47. Southbound
    February 17, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    It happened today. I was taught basic survival from age 9. I am former AirForce. I don’t have a degree but common sense flows like sweat. Why is it I can’t find a half acre in Ga, Tn, Nc for say 6000.00 dollars? What happened today? The State Department issued a statement. “Let’s offer ISIS a ” jobs program”. I need a place to go. Why is land for sale in only large tea tracts? I am female, I can survive but I can’t find a speck of land in three states for under 7000.00?

    • Southbound
      February 18, 2015 at 4:51 pm

      Again. No small parcel for 7000.00 or under? Really?
      I can protect a smaller parcel with less than a bigger tract.Maybe buying mountain land is like the government I can’t support, bigger is better and smaller is obsolete, its all about money even with preppers. Good luck to all.”Unapologetically American.”

      • Mary Smith
        May 19, 2016 at 7:27 pm

        Southbound-still looking for land?
        Contact me. WV property

  48. David
    February 24, 2015 at 6:11 am

    I have 2 propertys in nortern New Mexico. The first is 20 acres surronded by 1000 acre + private ranches . It has 2 homes that have proven to be very economical . It also has a private road from hiway private bridge across year round mountain stream., also three ponds with rainboww cutthroat & brown trout Elk Mule deer Turkey Bear& Cougar.
    The second is 10 acres not quite as secluded year round stream shares private road with one 3 acre property also share a pond power is also on site.

  49. Larry
    March 26, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    We already are set up with seven families in northern California at 2500ft elevation, a tank of gas from a large city, and 10 miles out of a town of 6,000 w/hospital etc. But, for a fall back location, should we be eventually over run…. We have scouted BLM and national forests lands, 20 miles further out at slightly higher elevations. Each family has a travel trailer and we could use them to live on free government land?

  50. patty
    March 29, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    I have land for sale that would make a great bug out/ prepper property. It is just a few hours from major cities like San Antonio, Dallas and Houston. This property has been privately owned by the same family for generations and is currently the only property for sale located directly on the San Antonio River. Description:77.097 high quality agricultural acres with frontage on the San Antonio River (which is perfect for water collecting and fishing) Fenced with access via private road. (Easily barricaded private road with only one way in and out). 2 Stock tanks (1 with pier built and ready for catfish). Plenty of grazing grass for livestock (Once held cattle, and horses for over 50 years and has been previously farmed for corn and hay, now deer roam freely). Mostly level with nicely wooded area at river end of the property. Natural Texas boar and wild turkey are abundant in this area. This preppers paradise is located on the border of the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone and the Artesian zone; where water collected from the Edwards aquifer recharge zone is pulled by gravity and becomes “trapped or held” within. The Artesian Zone has been be a great source of clear, drinkable water for the surrounding area since 1891, and will continue to support drinkable water for 100 more years to come. Utilities (gas, water, electricity, and telephone access avaliable). Water well property avaliable for sale seprately. No fault line, nuclear or population threats. This is truly a preppers paradise. Take a look or call David George 210-422-1767

  51. JOE
    April 15, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    i dont know why everyone thinks teh n.c. mountains are the best place for a bug out- when the 150 million people from the coast will flee for the mountains as well… well actually i am gladd you are going there– you are my 1st of several lines of defense b4 they can find me!!!thanksa

  52. pat
    April 30, 2015 at 4:28 am

    looking for other preppers located in or near kissimmee, fla.

  53. kycountrygirl
    May 14, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    I thought I was doing good till I read some of these. Thanks for the eye openers. Ive got a lot of work to do!

    • Richard Dwyer
      October 20, 2016 at 10:01 am


      Any prepping is better than no prepping.

    June 5, 2015 at 11:21 am

    We have property in The Bahamas for sale and might have what you are looking for.

    We have an affordable, very safe, and resourceful location on what is called a Family Island. It is a fairly remote location with only a few other neighbors that share miles of beach and rolling hills. The property has spectacular views of ocean and the beach is just steps away.

    The Island consists of mostly fisherman and farmers: Locally grown food (with a 12 month growing season), wild game, and world-class fishing are the way of life. We have all modern amenities with out all of the modern problems.

    The property is ready to build with roads and utilities, also perfect for off-the-grid. We can help you with building approvals and other needs to help your transition to the Island and getting your new home built.

    We are willing to work something out for you to secure this property (if it is what you’re looking for) while in transition. We also provide two weeks free at our Vacation Rental Beach House for property buyers.

    If you would like to know more about this property and what we can do for you then please contact us.

  55. Robin
    June 8, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    Looking to join other preppers in Franklin NC. Also looking to buy or rent off the grid house, cabin. Maybe something secluded. Is there anyone out there that knows of something. Don’t have alot of money, live on s.s.

  56. Rick E.
    August 20, 2015 at 6:23 am

    I have the perfect SHTF property in NC Mountains. The property is 27 acres of riverfront property on the N.Toe River outside of Burnsville, NC. The extremely well built log cabin was designed by a LEED certified green architect. The cabin is 1,000 s.f. with 2BR/1bath. Very secluded. Powered by 3 solar panels on roof with lead acid battery storage. All lights in cabin are 12VDC + 3 inverters. Refrigeration is a Dometic 3-way 12VDC/propane/110VAC. 3 small cleared areas suitable for gardening or small scale pastures. Gravity/spring fed water supply. Have back-up spring also. 2 buried into mountain 20 ft. shipping containers I use for storage. Road system from river to top of property. Elevation between 1800-2300. Small creek borders West side of property. Property listed on Zillow with pictures and price. Look under Roses Branch Rd. Bakersville, NC

    • Charlie
      October 3, 2015 at 5:29 pm

      I’m interested, but can’t find it. Do you have an MLS#

  57. David Chura
    September 7, 2015 at 8:02 am

    What happens when the ground shakes? Your assuming your going to live in the mountains, You will have volcanic explosions with lava flow,
    Consider living near a lake or river, What happens when the ground shakes, as another scenario, The land shifts, the water from the lake splashes violently and there goes your home, similarly near and water such as a creek or river, your water could be gone or take your house and in all these assumed survival homes, You have to consider those going under ground, It is possible if your living in the mountains or anyplace, if the ground shifts, which is expected, SOON< as pointed out on the west coast and east coasts, they expect a tsunami and or an earth quake of possibly 9 or higher, Do you think all these assumed hideout will protect and save your family or your life,
    You will probably be better off living in a simple home, away from the cities, where you can access food, such as wildlife, that come and go as on the prairies,
    But what about energy for yourselves,? You think fossil fuels will be around after the next disruption by accusing others as your problem marked by war? Not a chance, It is also a known fact that Governments and the elite are seriously concerned about this, and have headed many of them to their hiding places even underground
    But unfortunately these people are not god fearing people and will entummed themselves in their glorified shelters,

  58. Mark
    November 5, 2015 at 2:44 am

    I have 200+ acres out side of Winemucca Nevada, great
    If interested contact me

  59. January 4, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    I have a great Survivialist property listed near Hawkins Texas. Would love to know how you guys feel I should Market it.

    • Vern
      August 22, 2016 at 9:02 am

      Laurie. See if you can qualify on Survival Realty. They will probably direct you to a local agent, as they did me, but so far there is not a lot of effective database information in the search engines for people to look at. The agent they directed me to was in Southern Colorado and they had no license to list in New Mexico. I know that here in Northern New Mexico and Southern Colorado the agents are “savvy” on such properties, but I was told Cragislist is the best method out there now.
      This is pretty lame if you know the truth.
      Realtors should really take this to task.. I think Realty Trac, Zillow, ect… all of them should have a selection “survivalist property” for buyers seeking them.
      Texas is going to be an interesting place to move to soon once the succession from the Union of most of the former Confederate States happens. It is a fact the first serious steps of succession have begun.
      D.C. is having fits about Oklahoma insisting they are a Sovereign State and not beholden to anything the D.C. crowd are attempting to force on the State! The Lone Star being a leader on insistence of States rights is very well known, and I would not be at all surprised to see a State Congressional bill in Austin begin Constitutional Amendment for States rights of Succession. In fact..Texas is the only State that has had active political persons working to include a Succession Amendment ever since the War between the States. The original U.S. Constitution has no such language. If this were to happen I would suspect a lot of SHTF families will be looking at Visa requirements and then becoming citizens of Texas.

  60. Ali
    April 4, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    This topic has been seriously stressing me out lately. We have young children and live in a highly populated area (SoCal). I can’t for the life of my figure out where we should chose as a plan B, or bugout location if/when SHTF.

    • Vern
      August 22, 2016 at 8:37 am

      Ali..much has to do with how your kids will grow up. My wife and I own 50+ acres in a totally off grid home and no where near a major hiway but we are close enough to Taos it is not a problem reaching services or goods. We have to sell our cozy Earthship which has two Yurts and a Shop/garage next to it in order to provide care of my wifes Mom. Her mom lives outside of the States.
      Anyway..all of the folks in our village are preppers of some kind or another, and many are from California or Texas. Lots of Professors live here. I myself hold a Masters in Aerospace Engineering and retired from Boeing Everett in 2013, so I know exactly how city life will drive you crazy. Good decisions are hard to make when you are under constant stress!! It has taken me 15 years to build our safe island in the world but I have no choice but to move on for my wifes mom sake. We’re asking $185K in a place where the closest neighbor 1/2 mile away bought for $900k, but he is not off grid. He’s all electric!! Ouch! Last I heard he is a part time resident.
      Our taxes are $900 a year (which includes the annual trash dump fee) on the 50 acres and our utilities are… well..we have one and that is backup LP to the solar radiant floor heat and hot water heater. $100 a year max. Phone and Satellite Internet access ($120 a month). No need for a 4 wheel drive..I drive our 1965 Corvair in and out most of the time. We have a mid 80’s 2wd Dodge 3/4 we use for chores (not pretty but it does the job). Less than 20 minutes drive is Ojo Caliente spa/resort. As a resident in the area you can go to Ojo for half price during the week (fewer people there then too). The waters are fantastic. You’ll sleep like never before after your visits. Again.. pace of life is about quality..much lower stress.
      We look over the only hard surfaced road through the village and we are adjacent to a national forest at the end of our own road. Free firewood in other words. No one can “sneek in”! Folks here raise cattle, goats, chickens, horses. We have a small Aquaponics system in our attached greenhouse (separate from the living area) so we also have fish.
      Less than 5 miles away is the Rio Grande river which in our part of the State is pristine. Good fishing and lots of activities to do. World class skiing or hiking is not far away.
      No Deed restrictions of any kind. No one cares if you want to shoot your guns, ride your ATV or dirt bike, or yell at the top of your lungs just because that is what you want to do.
      What you and yours do on your property is your business. FREEDOM in one word is reality here. We have a stream that is seasonal on the land but we do not need a well because of roof collection into the cistern. We are not in a drought at all here. I filled the cistern once 15 years ago when new and we have never been without water since. We filter the rain/snow melt water with commercial filters and then use reverse osmosis for final drinking. Our toilets are not to any “code” but they are almost water use free. We use composting (humanuer) methods adopted from the Hunza peoples of Tibet. Living here is a much less stressful life than you can probably imagine now. I remember the I-5 nightmare rat race every day. Not good.
      The way the kids are educated here makes all the difference. Trust us on this.. you HAVE to get them out of the mess! Most children here are home schooled, and they score very high on SATS once they are ready for University education. One young lady of 14 has already learned 3 languages fluently besides English (Spanish, French, Latin) and my wife, who is Russian by birth, is planning on teaching her the fourth language. The attitude held here by the kids is than any Public School is nothing more than a training ground for street thugs, and the kids here could care less about body piercing or weird hair color jobs. You and your family must to get to a place of living in peace, not constant fear. The decision is made when you actually go and see for yourself, just as I did 2 decades ago. No location can be perfect in every respect..but the place that fits you and your family you will know when you are there. smeshno1(atsymbolhotmail,com

  61. alice
    May 22, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    Dear Ali…………..can you leave that state permanently? Just too much going on there and around it.
    Surprised no one is looking into West Virginia. My feeling a definite plus to be

  62. Ross
    August 15, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    Looking to find land int he NC western array. Have cash need like 6 to 9 acres but some what level ground as we have a big 5th wheel and semi truck. lets see what you guys have for sale thanks

  63. Larry
    August 24, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    I Have 282 acres outside of McAlester Ok. 3 bedroom brick house & barn 4 large ponds lots of grass and large creek running through. Great deer, hog & turkey hunting. Sits over old closed coal mine. $600,000.

  64. ali kram
    September 14, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    Nice commentary – I was enlightened by the facts . Does someone know where my assistant would be able to get a sample Condition Rental Property Checklist example to type on ?

  65. jim Lea
    October 21, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    I am looking for a piece of land in North Carolina in the mountains for a bug out place. Please help Me. Phone is 870-476-8189

  66. Zhailaa Rei
    January 20, 2017 at 11:35 am

    I have an awesome off-grid home and property for sale in northern Idaho. Home, storage structures, orchards, gardens, greenhouse all set up.

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