Is living off the Grid now a crime?

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Off Grid HomeApparently living off the grid, off the land, and without government assistance is now a crime that can land you in jail, and cause you to lose your home.

Government officials across the country are forming so-called “nuisance abatement teams” to intimidate people into giving up their land, or conforming to the governments demands and hooking back into the grid. Counties across the country are actually jailing people for living the way they want to live.

I was alerted to this video by a reader, and was troubled and sickened by what the poor people in the California Desert are being forced to deal with. From being threatened with jail time if they don’t hook back into the grid, to being thrown in jail because the county didn’t like the look of their homes, the people in the deserts of Los Angeles County are being terrorized by their government.

It’s a sad day when living off your own land becomes a crime. Please spread the word because cases like this are increasing at an alarming rate.

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  1. Dean Weber says:

    After watching the movie Garbage Warrior, the doc on the earthships, it makes you wonder how government gets anything done.

    • zac says:

      why dont you look at the violations the people that run this have in there home. bet they cant win em all

    • Vicki Lemke says:

      So where are the people’s RIGHT’S ? How is this the legal ?

    • mike says:

      daniel 2:44 in any bible teaches that all gov’s of this world will be destroyed by our creators new gov. that will last forever.
      the ancient hebrews lived off their land with no pesticides or chemicals for thousands of years and were healthy and the enviroment stayed clean.
      now the greedy gov’s and corporations take and destroy lives and the land for money,which was never part of our creators(yawaw)plan. MONEY WAS NEVER TO BE PART OF LIFE!
      let yawaw be the judge and as his word teaches,he will destroy anyone that is part of the world.

  2. moonglow says:

    SO STOP B I T C H I N ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!

    • don says:

      just what can poor people do get a lawyer , can;t get one no money ,

  3. A Discerning Fellow says:

    I think one of the biggest problems all people face is people believing so strongly on any particular issue that believing and/or living any other way but their way is unacceptable to them, and people who think that way believing they have to do something about it rather than just living their lives the way they want. Live and let live and individualism seem to be ideas many people cannot accept. However, it is my belief until individualism and live and let live become dominant ideologies, perhaps even the foundation of law, then nobody will ever be truly free because someone else will always be trying persuade, force and/or otherwise make their beliefs and ideologies dominant and superior to those of another.

    • Wil says:

      Naive. Freedom is a relative term.

  4. morris momii says:

    This really strange, the video. I live in Lincoln NE and here we have a city/Fed Gov project called Antelope Creek project. The city uses eminant domain to get business’s and home owners to move. Expensive project, and on this newly aquired land, city park, multi-story insurance building and parking garage. Privately owned buildings torn down and replaced with city parking garages, hotel/apts. No votes, no city counsel approval, just said and done by a few individuals. Something is rotten here and may out in the desert too!

  5. qwerty says:

    I feel bad for these guys because they have been there for so long and are now getting harassed. But for all you new off the grid people, keep this in mind when buying your property keep out of Blue Democrat states they like to regulate and control you and your property. Republican states are a lot friendlier to off the grid living.

    • Char says:

      Have you been to Florida? ????

    • Seth says:

      Texas is a republican state and they banned off the grid living.

  6. deroche says:

    Republicans? as in the people who.are for war?, guns?, not being able to have rights for your own body and unsupportive towards same sex marriage because they believe in so strongly in something that isn’t there? Its funny how I read on comments of “supporting” off grid yet half of you people commend the Republicans? That’s even more funny then how I.sit and think that the only real people who should be complaining are the Indians who owned this land and respected this land long before the real immigrants (greedy English settlers) came here! Its insane to think that all this mess was in fact created by the blood lines of english settlers! And I commend the Indians who didn’t mouch off their land. They actually traveled and in doing so replenished the earth.

    • Rolanda says:

      well from the perspective of a Mi’kmaq who is more likely to vote republican than democrat in the presidential election I have to say we are really choosing between the lesser of two evils. I hate war and don’t think it’s any of our governments business who pairs up with who, or what we do with out bodies. However, if you try to see through all the smoke and mirrors you’ll see the real issue all of america needs to combat is the size and scope of our government agencies. We lock up more of our people than any other nation on earth.Our poor, meaning those who can’t afford to pay thousands to lawyers, have NO rights in our judicial system. We the people keep paying more and more out of our paychecks, in addition to our groceries,and to keep our homes and vehicles, while our politicians are busy making more laws.
      Speaking as a native american that yearns to live in a world that respects Mother Earth and allows men to live free of the soul crippling fences we have established at every turn and every decision OUR government is too big. Whatever smoke and mirrors they want to wave around us please do not be deceived. We can love whom ever we want to and the republicans are not going to stop it.

    • don says:

      blue democrat states do you mean communist states that is what democrats are to me communist

  7. Raul says:

    Zoning regulations are powerful means of controlling how structures in an area look. And neighbors do not mean adjacent neighbors. Anyone can complain about anything when it comes to Zoning ordinances. Clearly, there is an interest in clearing private property of undesired structures which is using the law against poor people. Clearly the land owners cannot afford to change and that is the weapon. The land owners should find a clause (loophole) that allows them to remain as they are. Maybe they can be called caretakers of their land instead of residents because they structures are not recognized as homes.

  8. TheBoze says:

    Everything is going up. Oil increases rapidly which accounts for increased inflation. Off the grid is the way to go. It is getting cheaper and cheaper to remove yourself from the grid. No one wants everyone to know its possible so they are making sure people are not off the grid. I live in Africa, and we are being forced to be on the GRID. Even if you move off they will charge you for serives you don’t need and can take your property away if you dont pay. There are standard services we all have to pay for. If you dont use them you still have to pay.

  9. peck says:

    Let’s see, “team” starts with a “T”, and so does “terrorist” and “target”. I shoot targets, I will shoot terrorists, and I will shoot “teams”, no matter what costume they are wearing if they trespass on my property and I feel threatened.

    • MeHoff J says:

      I respect the fact that you say you will shoot any “T” member, in any costume.
      But, in all reality, when the come knocking, and your standing behind your door with your AR……you then realize that they are all around you and you cannot risk your family’s life, in the other parts of the house

  10. Rolanda Aden says:

    California is not the only place this sort of police state activity is being reported. In Chicago IL our political system has just squelched a committee designed to investigate police brutality along with multiple reports of torture to get US citizens to confess to crimes. Everyday I read another article, usually buried on the last page, about somewhere else that some aspect of the US government is trampling the rights of the people. I’m not one to buy into conspiracy theories, nor one to jump on the band wagon of every sob story that comes along. That said, evidence is everywhere that our free country has been turned into a police state. In my personal acquaintances I encounter a man that is now serving time in prison for hunting raccoon. This poor man was injured, taking a bullet to save someones life, and lost his ability to work. He turned to the only thing he had left to care for his family which was hunting, now he’s in prison and four kids don’t have a dad. It is absolutely insane that we the people, at least the majority, are doing nothing. Is this really all just craziness? My own daughter, a very conservative young lady, has told me she wants to move out of the US when she graduates from college…Is there really anything we can do?

    • Onestar14 says:

      First off write your friend in prison and give him my sincerest apologie he is locked up for killing a raccoon, but having hunted raccoon before I know them to have one of the foulest meats on the planet so I’m forced to assume he didn’t intend to feed his family with his kill.

      Second off tell him, if he didn’t break the law, he would not be incarcerated. Plain and simple.

      Third, where were you when this man was so destitute? It appears you are right YOU the people are doing nothing, except blame everyone else for not helping you or you friend with our tax dollars.

      Give me a break people, quit whining and become a productive self sufficient person. Quit blaming the government or the so called police state, quit breaking the law.

      I’ve been a cop going on 16 years and the only people I have ever met who complain about law enforcement are those who have been arrested, had family arrested or knew only the arrested persons side of events when they made their mind up. Grow up people

      Take responsibility for your own actions for once in your pathetic lives

      • Wil says:

        Amen.

      • don says:

        i knew when you open your mouth that you are one of them that are or worked for the communist state , i bet that you brake the law all the time by speeding and i bet that you will lie , make up shit to make it harder for some one to get out of jail , and i bet if the communist do ban guns in this country you will be the first one to break the constitution that you sworn to up hold

      • CW says:

        I agree, that if you break the law, you should not complain about the consequences. But I also know that, not all laws are enforcemed e we equally. And being that the people breaking the law are human and therefore imperfect, so are the people making the laws, and the officers enforcing them. So to blanket every situation with the same reply, without knowing, is short sited, and closed minded. This world has and is changing. This change maybe good, but not without a lot of pain, death, and destitude first!

  11. lil says:

    This makes me so mad! anyone should be able to live off THEIR OWN PRIVATE land the way they want (as long as they are not doing harm to others, like real harm, not just being a ‘nuisance’ to ‘neighbors’ that are ten miles away. that’s bullshit right there)even if their own private property is in the middle of a fucking city! I have been dreaming of going off grid and i feel like more people should. we need to get the government out of our private lives. seriously, if people are not harming others than we should be able to do whatever we want on our property. this pisses me off…especially how the government is coming onto these peoples properties with force and showing their guns to frighten these people into submission

  12. Wil says:

    Wow….I love reading this crap !

  13. Matt says:

    The biggest terrorism and “terrorists”, that have ever been, have always been a large centralized government! America is taking these known characteristics!

  14. Wil says:

    Reading these comments is hillarious, and equally frightening. Living off the grid should be legal.
    That means not connected to a power company grid.
    But, the paranoid and delusional ,comments from the fringe weirdos, that mention things like FEMA camps, agenda 21, EMP blasts, total choas and breakdown, government conspiracy, collapse, nukes,and others… is just nonsense, and ridiculous. Did these people forget to take their medication before they clicked on submit ? This crap reads better than “The Hunger Games”.
    Is everything a government plot?… Maybe if people were less delusional, with utopian views and psychotic anger, the concept of off-grid living would be better accepted by the masses. Reading the comments is an eye opening experience. It is utterly amazing that humans can reach these viewpoints, given the opportunities we have at our disposal: the internet, lessons of history, ethics, and law. Here, there is much to glean…and screen.
    There is no universal consensus here, only random rants. It is fascinating to imagine what the bloggers look like….what people they contact frequently, think about them, or what a live conversation with them would be like.
    The best part is that it is free….and entertaining. The worst part of it is accepting the fact that people think like they do. It is really scarry. The content here could be the basis for a great made for TV movie.

  15. sanjosemike says:

    This is another reason to vote for Romney. The Socialist agenda is openly practiced,selected and promulgated by Obama.

    I’m NOT advocating illegal tax avoidance or avoiding property taxes. There are so many ways to LEGALLY reduce taxes, it is insane to try to do it illegally.

    But we have a RIGHT to live unbothered by Government as long as we pay our bills. If we select a geographic area without CC and Rs. then we are governed by local ordinances.

    We must politically fight against intrusive ordinances. A way to do this is to NOT vote Democrat, picket local Governmental agencies and hire lawyers to assist us.

    sanjosemike

  16. TED BLACKWELL says:

    Remember Masada. They believed in their freedom enough to die as free men. The government has no control over the dead and they pay no taxes to Caesar.

    • Wil says:

      Okay….mass suicide….W/T/F!

  17. Lorena says:

    So I guess it is wait till things finish cracking down where I am at then go off to government land in the forest and use camo and do your thing from there. I see and have seen for awhile things that have shown me the signs of whats coming. Government control and prisons or death for those who will not conform. I am sitting here learning survival skills including things that will have a value when things are at it’s worst.

    • Wil says:

      Hunger games ?

    • Wil says:

      Okay Lorena….so, you are going to squat on National Forest or Park Service property, “use camo” and hide ? You think the ‘Government’ is going to control you, with prison camps and death?
      Instead of survival skills, why not seek counseling; to sort of…you know…approach reality…it will be okay. There are really good medications now….unlike years ago. No,no,no….the maryjane is just going to make things worse….Have you seen the movie “What about Bob”?…Baby steps…you know, like Dr.Leo Marvin suggested.

  18. jeremy paul hansen says:

    change the name from washingTON to washingNONE!!!

    estrogen soy milk for vegan punks…. that soy that turns to pesticide in your gut… in the school lunch line

    “no I dont have adhd.. i am just a fuzzy bunny”

    • Wil says:

      whaaatdeeefaaack???

  19. jeremy paul hansen says:

    facadism bares the traumatic experience of an alter… what are you trying to prove.. that your the worlds mightiest enemy? what have you got to die for? what have you got to live on….. what are we doing here? watching our friends die

    • Wil says:

      wwwwww/ttttt/fffff/???

  20. jeremy paul hansen says:

    bb you wanna come bring me a cloudy day?

    • Wil says:

      whutt daaa faackk….

  21. jeremy paul hansen says:

    they want me to drink the soy milk… turn down the porn… and pick up testy pills… oh yah.. and keep taking my ritalin?

    • Wil says:

      wutdafuk….

  22. georgie says:

    Fortunately, in Arizona, you’re allowed to live off the grid. Three of our northern counties have lots of people off grid. It’s a bit tough for them when they go to put a manufactured home on there because those are regulated by the federal gov’t, but after it’s installed, owners pretty much do what they want. The county building dept’s and small town leaders have generally been there a long time, so they communicate with those folks a bit differently than city and town folks. But then most of Arizona natives are against heavy regulation of anything. It’s the transients to this state that screw everything up, like from California who try to make Arizona into another California. Probably why most AZ natives are NOT Cali fans. If you haven’t heard, us Arizonans are a bunch of gun toting wild west red necks from the OK Corral. I guess I could say that I resemble that remark! I do love my state, it’s the goobers here I question.

  23. Georgie says:

    I forgot to comment about the video. I find it apalling that they have not rpovided anything in writing as to why they are doing this to residents. It’s pretty clear that it’s harassement to get people to sell their lands for development. I completely agree with that assessment. When leaders don’t communicate honestly and openly, they leave stakeholders and constituents to only assume that there is a hidden agenda.

  24. 14/88 says:

    Let. The. War. Began

    • Wil says:

      What deee frickkk…..Began?…as in past tense?
      So….you want war? Who would want war? WWWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!
      OMG….

      • Wil says:

        Okay…what part of crazed fringe weirdo, doomsday predicting, war promoting, off the wall(grid)…off the planet, out of touch with reality, etc….are we not getting?…Again, I repeat…WTF?

  25. Clearwater says:

    3 words: Follow The Money.

    • Wil says:

      Good….an intelligent response, and a move in the right direction…..

  26. pking says:

    Where in the hell is the ACLU? This is exactly what they exist for!

  27. Alex says:

    I am an American because I was born in this country, and I truly believe that this country belong to the people of the United States. With that said the government can not force people to live where they tell them to, or to be part of their society. The Declaration of Independence, states that if the government fails the people, then it is the peoples right to take back the government. So, I will leave you all with this: If the day came that I had to go into the forest, woods, or just leave society I would like to see the government try and stop me, or even try to arrest me. I am an American, and I will fight for my freedom at what ever the cost.

    • Wil says:

      Alex: You are right….unfortunately, if you break the law you will be arrested or worse. Who in the government would tell you where or how to live ? Be specific. Cite a legal statute or locality. Define society. Freedom is a relative term. Whose forest or woods will you be going to ? National Forest or Park?…Save yourself. Work within the system to make it better. The government IS the people. The national forests belong to the people of the USA, true. But, you cannot run there and live there….it is illegal. Now if you own some nice woods to escape to, that would be okay. What is worth fighting for…and losing?

  28. kc says:

    They are stealing land,so they can make money for themselfs.I hope that more people can ban together and protect their land.

  29. Onestar14 says:

    While I’m not off the grid yet, I’m working at it. From another view point, I’m in law enforcement and have. only seen places (homes) like this being condemned by the GOV as you say when it becomes a health and safety’ issue. Usually this involves children living in such filthy conditions to cause health concerns or a location of such poor repair as to cause an immediate threat to their safety. No water means no hygiene, and no drinking water (essential for healthy life). As far as electric goes, Most all cities have or ordanances requiring electric to be tied into the grid. Butt most all counties and states just require you to have electric power. We have tons of off gridders in my jurisdiction and most of them are great, but some of them shame the off grid movement with their bullshit like this story.

    What this story fails to show you is the overflowing feces on the floors, toilets overflowing with feces, trash everywhere, homes, RV etc in such poor repair and so disgustingly filthy any decent person wound not enter without a steril body suit and gas mask. Children so dirty, mal nourished and in many cases affected by their so called parents drug use. Or the frequent theft of other peoples utilities.

    These are the reasons code enforcement types and law enforcement usually come into contact with people living like this, not to mention the vast numbers of them being on some form of probation or parole. This is not insinuating all off gridders are like this of course. Many off gridders live very healthy happy lives, but others live in squaller which can be a threat to public health, enviormental health and good common sense.

    The other thing to think about is these people are not being targeted for living off the grid, as there is no law anywhere I can find which states off grid living in any state is illegal that is as long as you pay your Taxes). They are being targeted because their living conditions or living standard are so poor it has been deemed a detriment to themselves, their children and the environment they live on. Not to mention the trespassing / squatting on property belonging to others, and or building / parking your trash heap of hepatitis infested fire trap of a home along with all the other desert rat trap homes right next to a neighbor who has to deal with your unsanitary conditions and safety code violations threatening his home property and family.

    There is a living standard in the law which requires (access) to basic utilities.
    1 water: city water, well water, spring water, etc. you get to pick.
    2. Heat: for winter, wood stove, fireplace, forced heating and air. Again you pick.
    3. Waist removal: city sewer, septic tank, composting toilet, or just about anything else that doesn’t involved your uncontrolled sewerage from contaminating the ground or water system.
    4. Electricity, while highly recommended is not generally a requirement, unless it is needed to facilitate you water and or heat and for most people it does. Even then it can be : city power, solar, wind, hydroelectric, generators etc.

    The key word is Poor. Their just poor, and I for one do not judge them for that, because there was a time in my life prior to becoming law enforcement, where I was a homeless man, who happened to be poor as a door mouse. I feel for the poor because I know how much it sucks to feel your will to live and your pride seep from your body as you try to keep warm. I was lucky enough to fix my situation, let’s hope these men women and children can do the same.

    Bless all preppers, all off gridders for we will have the knowledge and fortitude to continue on in case (insert disaster here) ever befalls this world and this great nation.

    And people please quit bagging on the government, because it does no good. The Gov isn’t set up to help us out of every jam, nor were they intended to help us from anything other than protecting us from foreign and domestic enimies of this nation. Every other thing the government provides, student loans, aid relief, disaster releaf, welfare, list goes on and on, is all a bonus. In fact great men who founded this country and it’s ideals fought against providing these types of services to the citizens because they believed the citizenry needed to be self reliant and not dependent on their governing body for basic life.

    It is our fault as citizens if we feel the government has become too intrusive, because we allowed it to happen out of our own greed, and we’re to lazy to remain self sufficient.
    The government is not broken, we the people are, the government has spent the better part of two centuries trying to make the people happy, and we keep wanting more. When does it stop?

    Just my thoughts on the matter.

    • Wil says:

      Amen…..thank you for the intelligent, and common sense comment. God bless you Onestar 14.

    • Joe C. says:

      My takeaway: we need to change these laws that require people who are living in rural areas to meet all these “quality of life” standards that you listed.

    • MK says:

      To alleviate poverty, How about providing people with a decent minimum wage, decent unemployment and veteran benefits and help finding them employment, decent schooling in the first place, including vocational education. Most of all, affordable high quality state – provided health care. Re the latter, the greatest cause of bankruptcy in the US is because of medical bills. To many of you, this would be ‘socialist’ or ‘communist’, but this is quite normal for most other western nations. The trouble with Americans is that you have been brainwashed by the greedy and by the corporates, who have no concept of a decent democratic society or ‘the commons’, or even of the long term good. They only ever think about making more and more money and ever increasing profits. They pay minimal tax. Americans, especially those of the south and Tea Party orientation, love to think of themselves as Christian people and yet their over- obsession with individuality and individual rights means that they are conned into voting for politicians who have no concern for the poor or underprivileged or fairness in the system. Those politicians are financially supported by the elites and corporates, who,through the mass media and advertising, spread fear, materialism and self centeredness. Not that other western countries don’t have problems or greedy individuals or organizations, but they are generally much better places to live, work and raise families than the US in its present state.

    • Hologrammar says:

      Nice thought, but oversimplified. I have yet to find a county that doesn’t force you to have a sewer or septic hookup. Composting toilets are sometimes allowed, but you still have to hook up to these expensive services.

      Also, why should anyone be forced to install heating, even in a cold area? If you build a home out of the right materials (e.g. earthbags, maybe even with extra scoria insulation) or build your home partially underground, there is no need for heating at all. Even if does get cold, it should be within my rights to be cold if I so choose. Rocket stoves are an extremely safe, efficient way to heat anything, and yet building departments, because they don’t know what they are, are afraid of them and won’t allow you to use them.

      Same with running water. Setting up traditional plumbing can get expensive. If I want to run out to a well and pump water every times I want it, that should be my right. A bucket and a sponge is all you need to clean yourself from head to toe.

  30. Joe C. says:

    People who want to live off the land and who really believe in freedom to the fullest need to JOIN TOGETHER and COMMUNICATE. Just something as simple as having meetings, volunteering to teach each other tips and lessons gained from our different experiences.

    We can defend our freedoms: we should start meeting and forming a community of like-minded individuals, maybe eventually we can get lobbyists who can go represent our interests in DC.

    • Wil says:

      Yeah….thats what we need…meetings,and lobbyists in DC. Oh…and change the laws. Right. here is a novel idea for you cup of Joe…How about obeying the law?…PRETTY SIMPLE HUH!…Who in the government is going to bother you,find you, or care;…if you are living simply and following the law. You can live off-grid-legally….Cite a statute that says differently…Swat teams, etc..only show up when laws are broken…there is more to the story in the video. Paranoid fringe weirdos predicting the doomsday need a reality check. Start by obeying laws. Off-grid means only to be disconnected to a power grid. It is legal. Everything else here is speculation, uninformed, juvenile, and out of touch with reality. Not one blogger has cited a law saying where or how it is illegal to live off the grid. Not one. Show me the law. Show me the money. Put up or shut up. You can’t poop all over the ground….there are health laws….you have to have water. Heat is easy….It is not illegal to NOT have AC!…The entire premis of this blog site is out of touch with reality, fueled by paranoia, and an isolated case/video that isn’t showing all side of the truth. Come on. What does it take?…or more importantly…WTF!…I am waiting…reading…ready.

      • EllieMae says:

        I have a Travco RV which is a class A motorhome. Fully self-contained and green. The water from the large fresh water tank which is used by the kitchen sink, bathroom sink and shower drain into a grey tank and this is the water used to flush the toilet instead of wasting fresh water for flushing. This even larger tank (black tank) is pumped out about every month and is always well below 1/2 full. It has ac, heat, a frig and a hot water heater all of which will run off DC power or the 6000 watt generator. I am on my own, paid for, land and I’m being threatened with a fine or up to a year in jail if I continue to live in this RV. So it would seem You Are Wrong and might want to do some research.

      • EllieMae says:

        I forgot to mention that I’m on over 6 acres of mostly wooded rural land well outside any city limits, is free of trash, and a well maintained yard.

  31. RFB says:

    He went looking for America…..

    ….and couldn’t find it.

    “It’s difficult to be free when your bought and sold in the market place”

    “Well it doesn’t make them running scared”

    “No…it makes them dangerous”

    “NEEEK NEEEK NEEEK…SWAMP”

    • Wil says:

      What the phuk is this? Are you kidding me…”NEEK NEEK NEEK”…WTF!…Diagnosis:AFU. Report to the nearest ER.

  32. Steve says:

    Those were some of my neighbors pictured and it is actually much worse than what you have read about. Ranch owners come under attack all the time by Los Angeles County NAT. NAT, comes in around 5:30AM and does a swat style raid and goes after homeowners for anything and everything; right down to the number of chickens roaming the ranch and what kind of vehicles you can have on your land.

    They leave little old ladies out in the winter cold for hours and then leave with the house ripped up and huge fines they know the owner could never pay; then they seize the property.

    You would think that living out in the middle of nowhere you would be left alone, not in LA County!

  33. Blake Wood says:

    I was extatic to find this page. I had no ideas that there were so many people out there that felt the same way as I do. There is far too much goverment for us to really live. The fines, the fees, the permits. There is so much nonsense. I could write for days about how much BS there is in our country. My girlfriend got a ticket a few months back because my 11 year old dog still has his balls. Apparently you need to have a permit both for having a dog and for their balls. This is just a small example of what we’redealing with.

    In short, I’m fed up. I’m ready for a change. I’m ready for a battle, war or peaceful demonstrations.

    Either way, something has to change.

    We live in a connected world. We can communicate. We can organize. Locally, nationally, worldwide… We have that power. Why aren’t we using it?!?!

    • Deb says:

      We ARE using ‘inter-connectedness’, Blake. Amazingly enough, Egypt actually started some of the first Occupy Wall Street protests. Our people over here have been in contact with their “organizers’ for quite a while. But Americans are ‘soft’ compared to the Egyptians, who have had to deal with violence and government oppression all their lives. Peaceful American protesters have been maced, shot and beaten. The riot police have alot of big bad weapons and they know how to use them. Most us folks just want to live a peaceful life and be left alone. I’d hate to have to spend all my time training to shoot a high powered gun…I don’t want to kill anyone. I don’t want my own limbs blown off, either. I think the most effective way of fighting is with your money. Don’t give it to them! That’s one of the main reasons they are trying to snuff out all the self efficient folks…we don’t NEED the government!

  34. Aguarose says:

    Hey I have been searching for a community of people that want to go out in live off the earth, growing gathering, and hunting all the food and medicine. or already have a community out somewhere where they own the land. Where can I find these type of communities?

  35. A PISSED OFF VETERAN!!!!! says:

    I’m ready to stand up!!!! I have been ever since I got back in January 2010 from and 2009 deployment. I realized that I was nothing but a pawn in a big corrupt game of money and power. I realized that I was helping to kill my own fellow soldiers.
    I just received a letter from the IRS on Monday the 27th 2012 stating that they need information from me because the stupid fucking Department of Defense can’t send them a simple little letter stating that I was in fact deployed in 2009. So now I gotta dig out my DD214 and send it to them. Plus I’ve been paying off part of my sign on bonus for almost a year now even tho it states in my contract that I earned every little bit that I got. I tried to straiten it out but all they do is feed me a bunch of Bullshit saying I needed to meet some other requirement to that’s not stated in my contract.

  36. one that's doin' it... says:

    The only difference between doing it and not doing it is…doing it.

    We’ve been off grid since 1984, built our house with native materials…grow, hunt, fish, gather about 80% of our food, trade for the rest. We still have and foster community, treat others well and lend helping hands. We aren’t friggin’ islands…and the county sheriff knows I’ve got his back.

  37. Bettina Lynn-Mulle says:

    What is ironic is that these county inspectors can enforce “aesthetic” codes meanwhile coal and oil companies are tearing up the earth and oceans and destroying the environment and they go uncensored and unrestricted.

  38. I remember says:

    I have seen this kind of nonsense before and i guarantee that they are being systematically forced to relocate because the city officials are in cahoots with developers who want that land for their own development purposes. What they DONT want is media exposure. They dont want their constituents to know what they are doing because they are dealing under the table and they could lose everything. So to help out those folks, the city must be forced to pay for their land and relocation at a good price for the potential future market value and make sure there is plenty of media exposure on the proceedings. Their goal is to get the land virtually for nothing and make a huge profit on it. The citizens goal is to play their game only do it one better.

  39. Austin says:

    start a petitions its is the governing body of the area that adopted National Zoning Laws ,so how the live in new York is under the same law as the middle of the desert… well what works in New York don’t work in the desert and visa versa and from town ship to town ship and state to state, that is why there shouldn’t be a National Regulation or law for any thing if you don’t like it there is very little escape this type of thig should never happened if you don’t like one town or counties laws you are free to move to a different town or county if it is a State law you don’t like then you could move to a state that is more liberal or conservative but when it is national there is no escape from legislation that you don’t agree with “You Will Conform Or else ”

  40. Deb says:

    Yes, this is true. I have relatives who live near these folks, and the places are way out in the middle of No-where. They wren’t bothering ANYONE. What BS. I think the government is testing and training local authorities in the art of harassment and control of American citizens. They know these “desert rats” have no friends, family, or communities to rise up and come to their defense. So the “authorities” will learn the feeling of success in their bullying of the American people. Sort of like how dog fighters and cock fighters do. They steal a gentle dog and force it to try to defend itself against their fighter dogs (same thing with cock fighting) and the fighter dog can kill the gentle dog easily. The fighter learns the feeling of winning and can’t wait to kill it’s next victim. Eventually, the fighter dog is ready and eager for greater challenges. In this case…bigger communities of people who will give them more of a fight…which they are certainly ready for.
    I am sick to death over this

  41. Kacey66 says:

    The people who don’t know what is going on are too afraid to face what is coming at us. That is what the illuminati, AKA 1%, AKA insiders, always known as the assholes of the world want. Now their plans are so close to completion they don’t care. There was an audio recording of one of them boasting about the culling, the mass murder of 90% of the population and that they can’t be stopped. What gets me, is that governments, including ours is going along with it in the name of protecting the earth from the overpopulation. But they have been planning this and trying to accomplish it since the early 1900s if not before.

  42. Morri says:

    >>>”I am from the south and I do not want the goverment to own me. The people in the north are the ones that will starve when big daddy says so. As I told my yankee husband he will never starve because I can hunt,kill skin,cook meat and this also goes for my garden.”<<

    Oh my. I don't know why all southerners seem to think that us Yanks only know how to sit around reading the NYT and sipping Latte while our nail polish dries. lol

    I hate to disappoint you, but all the Yanks I know not only have your 'skill set", but also have the education and technological know-how to do a great many other things, which would come in mighty handy should the need arise.

    Considering that the North is full of forests, game, mountains, caves, clean water, farmland, ocean, natural fuels and foods, I can assure you that a great number of us would not be starving. ;) I know it might mess with your preconceptions a little bit, but I have attended embassy events in Washington DC, poured my own lead rounds, am quite skilled in bow use, trapping, animal lore, horsemanship, alternative power sources, etc etc. I can ALSO read the NYT and sip a latte. We are the sons and daughters of the original settlers and revolutionaries, in addition to the descendants of the forebears that kicked the South's colelective arses. Don't make the common mistake of mistaking kindness for weakness. You'll be skinning a mangy rabbit for dinner & sweating to death in the summer humidity on your peeling porch while we'll have wind-powered running water, herds of animals, crops, cave sanctuaries, numerous levels of security -and most all the comforts of home.

    Heh. (You knew someone had to say it.)

  43. coldcoff33 says:

    No offense to these good people, but from what i’ve seen all my life you have to either not give a crap about freedom or be out of your mind to live in California..

  44. Mary Pevehouse says:

    Ask the president for help. Contact your congressman and ask him to help.There is a fine line between upholding the laws and harrassing citizens of this country. People that have found a way to survive without harm to any other persons should not be pushed around by any government. The officials there are creating homelessness instead of helping to stop it.

    • wil says:

      Wow….a hail mary…”Ask the president for help”.
      WTF….are you kidding me ? Ha Ha Ha…LOL…Hello. Which president are you referring to ?…There is a fine line between naive and stupid.

      • wils bully says:

        f off wil the intel troll….the system is built for you not to be able to escape it…everything we fight about is exactly what they want…us being good slaves and fighting about all THEIR rubish..which includes new age,gov politics,racism,religion etc etc…all of which are control nodes…moving to a sustainable life style is about the closest you will get to freedom except for going full tribal type living roaming like the natives on untracked land which is to rough a lifestyle for most. Back out of the system… youtube “the dream of life 5d” these people were physically threatened for backing completely out of the state in austrailia..I mean giving up there dl’s and all documents and being a free people..they had 12 death threats and one was shot at…ITS NO F’IN JOKE wil!!!!!!!

  45. Dan says:

    Wow, all I was looking for was info about living off the grid and came across this page. The dialog is evidence that my thoughts about government and it’s power to divide this country and it’s people are solid and hold a lot of water. In my sixty eight years I have lived in a few countries and numerous states. I have seen much discourse and hate. The governments around the world are winning and will realize their goal of making slaves of everyone. If you doubt me, check out UN agenda 21, which by the way, is supported by the current administration. In closing, I would suggest, all should channel this energy into constructive rather than destructive conversation.

  46. Enter your name... says:

    Rolla missouri.. cita law to accupy a building you must have the powerhooked up and on but you can choose not to use it .I know i just wont roundup with the city hall about it

  47. aileen potter says:

    Decades ago, while pursuing my Botany Degree, I had a wonderful book that I lent to someone, who never gave it back shame on him. It was a book describing every type of moss, bush, tree, flower, root that was edible, in the northeast of the U.S. and it was amazing that practically every thing is edible. Knowing this, how to build a shelter and start a fire, I believe is important as general knowledge, something kids should know, not to be afraid of getting one’s hands dirty. I live on a saltwater marsh, so I have even more plentiful resources. Let the mega-wealthy live where they desire, if money becomes obsolete, I’ll make a salad from weeds, eat veggies that I grow, dig clams, fish and survive. The prospect of a comet hitting our planet is a greater risk than most people realize.

  48. Dave says:

    You live in a fascist police state, get used to it or leave while you still can.

  49. no job says:

    I understand and appreciate these people. Leave them alone and let them live the life they want, in the house they want. Freedom without government control should be our number one priority. You better stand up for these people. You’re next..

  50. NormaJean says:

    Wow, where I live, I have been forced to live off the grid, because I refuse to go so deep into dept that I would never get out. I actually enjoy living the old way. I never get bored, there is always something to be done.

  51. Andy says:

    I have read every comment on the Page down to the bottom and with All the Ranting and Raving and other Strategies that have been laid out and Argued about,,, NOT ONE of you ” OFF THE GRID ” supporters,, Have Realized One ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS FACT,, Being Unbelievably OVERLOOKED in your Plan…. And that is the Simple FACT that you are on the “INTERNET” which is my friends,,,, THE GRID…. UNDERSTAND ??? How do you intend to be OFF THE GRID and SWIMMING THROUGH IT in all your SHINY WELL LIGHT HERE I AM ADVERTISING BILLBOARD SPLENDOR ??? REALLY ??? OFF THE GRID MEANS ,,, OFF THE GRID. Without exception PERIOD >>> Sheesh !!

  52. Robert says:

    These idiots who are killing children and shooting up theaters,should be a little more constructive and kill and shoot up these idiots who bother people that aren,t doing any harm to others. People such as Mr.antonovich ,and other so called elected officials . These are the ones who are making it hard to live life as we choose. They will always find ways to make you leave your home, you fix one thing ,they find something else more expensive for you to change. Just wait until the start putting in whatever it is they want on the land and start tearing that down.

  53. Raymond says:

    A major error in thinking appears to be very common. The GOVERNMENT is your neighbors. Each and every one of these stupid or brilliant things the GOVERNMENT does is a decision made by an INDIVIDUAL person. When people think that the government’s LAW has power they fail to recognize that these laws are meaningless until someONE chooses to act according to the law or punish someone else for not acting according to their law. The way to stop the GOVERNMENT

  54. tired of others trying to control what I do! says:

    I stumbled across this sight looking for why I am being kicked of my own land because I am tenting on it for the summer. Full disclosere my house was foreclosed on but the adjoining property is mine that I am tenting on.
    jimminy rickets what going on folks?

    Bookmarked this page as I want to help.
    As for me ? I don’t know
    A person just can not live with out someone tugging on someone elsess way of living.

    I don’t like the word wish as it pertains an empty gesture.
    With that , I look foreword to see positive outcome on your respects and contact for tryanything I can do for you.

  55. JJM says:

    We the people will not fail. Those who choose to do the bidding of the government are no better than the puppets of a Nazi regime. They made their choice.

    Well. We made our choice as well. And I for one would KILL anyone who tries to take it away. The only way the government can promote its agneda is through the actions of individuals. And I certainly hope they think its worth it when they come to my land to take something and end up with a bullet in their head. I would bury his ass 25 feet underground and nobody would find him.

    Case in point. The government does anything and all they want to scare you, force you to give up what you have. Treat them like the cancer they are. Tell the world about it. Be ready to film those who bother you and put them on the Internet for all to see. Take names. Make them the embarassment they have become. And most of all, be ready to literally fight for what you have.

    We don’t need the power companies. We don’t need the water companies. And the list gets long. I for one am well versed in how to live in the 1800s. I know how homes were designed for combat the weather elements without need for electricity or fossil fuels. Grow your food. Make your supplies. Live in peace. Become wiser. And best of all, be fully convinced that those who love money suck and want you to work for them to make more of it! Tell them to F off and go about your life. Educate others about what is going on.

    CONSUMERISM NEEDS TO DIE A PAINFUL DEATH TODAY.

  56. bob denver says:

    You really shouldn’t use that title for this article. It is deceptive. California has always been outside the law. Just because they do whatever they want there doesn’t mean its the same everywher else. Yeah. There are whatever number of cities or states where its typical for local officials to harrass and annoy Off The Gridders. But it isn’t illegal to do so. You need to change your title.

  57. living off the grid says:

    I almost never comment, however i did some searching and wound up here Is living off the Grid
    now a crime?. And I do have a couple of questions for you if it’s allright. Is it only me or does it look like a few of the responses appear like coming from brain dead visitors? :-P And, if you are writing on other social sites, I’d like to follow everything fresh you
    have to post. Could you make a list of the complete urls
    of your community pages like your twitter feed, Facebook page or
    linkedin profile?

  58. Some dude says:

    the government sadly doesn’t know what the word PRIVATE means (facepalm)

  59. al resauit says:

    in nj it’s call imminent domain they just come to your home and tell you to leave so they expand a road or put in new power lines or anything thay want!

  60. Olen says:

    If the county has been charging for ‘residential’ taxes, then they may be subject to litigation due to presently declaring the properties as not residential. I live in a different State and witnessed a successful use of this strategy. It may be possible to sue retroactively plus interest. This can add up quickly and is surely worth exploring. Also search for old agricultural laws, sometimes owning a couple livestock animals can change things as old farm laws may allow a number of things. Example, some counties in some States have old laws never removed from the books allowing farm help to stay on site 24/7, or even to reroute water sources, etc. Just some suggestions I have seen implemented elsewhere.

  61. Joe says:

    I’ve heard some utility companies are actually paying citizens with solar etc for power back to them…

  62. Rhett says:

    I wish the Syrian Government will intervene. Or even the UN…

  63. James says:

    Can I hear you say A G E N D A 2 1 ?

  64. Mark Veil says:

    I would suggest inviting large numbers of visitor residents –especially those who have had their properties taken away. Have them stay, fix up the premises, so that they look more conventional. Make and sell survival videos. Also, I agree with Discerning above, but do not give up your property so easily; do survival instruction, yes. Have you looked up wesites with the SPECIAL SEGREGATED WORD –GANGSTALKING. It means state attacks using state of the art electronics and unlimited military resources ie employees and materials against innocent citizens. There is also illegal covert sedation, kidnapping and surgery.

  65. Jeremy says:

    History repeats itself, our human nature ensures that to happen. You have to think about how the majority influences events in history. The majority always rules. There are ignorant people in the world, lots of them, I am only stating a fact. The corrupt have used the ignorant as their own tool for supremacy. History teaches us this, so does the present. There is no formula for a answer to today’s problems. They are ever evolving, but the signs of the times do look very familiar don’t they. Now, there are GOOD people out there, but few. These people try to take a stand. have you seen them? No. Why is that? Read between the lines people. The thing that makes those in power fear the most at night is loosing power, and control. How do you control the majority? You turn up the heat very slowly, let them get used to it, then more. A tried a true method for the ages. Am I making sense? People… we were free once. How do you measure freedom? Ask a revolutionary. How can you fight the majority, AND fight the corrupt? If you are looking for answers to today’s problems you need not look any further than your fellow neighbor, but placing blame and pointing fingers puts all back even more. I’m not saying I have the answers, I am saying I may have the right questions. I think that is a hell of a step in the right direction towards shifting the balance of ignorance, shifting the majority. You have to also think several steps ahead, go ahead and try to live off the grid and see how long before some official steps into your life. Doing what you want (freedom) is not wrong, I’m not saying so at all. It is our birth right. Just be informed, and plan ahead. I don’t want see the need for people to make martyrs of themselves, I want to see people wise up and shift the majority before it’s too late.

  66. Jonathan says:

    I hope this is of some use to you and you will read carefully. Every time you have someone entering your property, it is a business transaction. You can accept their terms if you wish or you can set your own!! If you set terms and conditions on your entrances to your property (via SIGNS) and DECLARE them when people come on your property such as “All rights reserved” and “Any and each violation of my rights will incur financial penalties of (state your terms in $1m) and personal penalties of $1m. These terms and conditions are final and non negotiable. Entering the property deems acceptance of these terms.”

    You might just see a change in them, because they are personally and the business is now liable for any violation of your rights. This is a simply stating a contract between you and the businesses, which is what they are trying to do with you.

  67. Leslie Fish says:

    Obviously LA county is planning to “develop” that land, probably by selling it to some corporation — possibly foreign. The obvious solution is for all the victims to band together, hire a good lawyer with a track record of beating govts. in court, and sue the county. It would help if they could hire a good investigator who could dig up the dirt on just whom the county is planning to sell to.

    If you want to go off the grid these days, the one link you can’t afford to break is a cell-phone and the phone number of a good lawyer.

    Other tricks I’d recommend include 1) building an underground house that the “inspectors” can’t find, 2) planting some of the ground with crops and declaring the land an “organic garden” — and hooking up with the local environmental-protection groups so you can howl “anti-environmental!” at the particular govt. office, 3) make anything that can be called “artwork”, sell the same at local arts-and-crafts fairs, link up with local artists’ groups, and then howl “anti-art!”. In any case, plan your defense in advance and keep tabs on current govt. trends through your lawyer.

  68. let freedom ring! says:

    Hi, i hope i don’t offend anyone, or get rude comments back. I am a firm believer that people who are suffering under the nations government need to come together. The goverment isn’t just torturing the people of California, it’s all over the country and it’s not just land or housing either, it’s families too. Since i was little i knew, i had a sense that the world wasn’t right, way before i even started school. As i got older my compassion and love for people grew. And now in my late 20’s i can’t begin to tell you the things I’ve seen or the traumas my family has faced. I am an old soul, returning time and time again until we fix this. In all this the encounter i had with the government and it’s hunger for my children really woke up something inside. I see the hurt in people, the fear, it comes in all shapes and sizes, but they all are equally traumatizing. A nightmare we op we wake up from while clenching our hands over our heart. A dark feeling. BUT we have a choice, minority? Everything once started as minority, it’s the courage that drives out the fear, it’s not the falling IT IS the getting back up. Come together,support and encourage eachother , wake up warriors and fight. The Government didn’t give you life, God( or what you call) did! I am young, but i have fight and i believe.

    • Bling says:

      HEY BOYFRIEND….YOU ARE A OLD SOUL TO WRITE WHAT YOU JUST WROTE….RIGHT ON….I JUST SPENT 2 HOURS WRITING MY COMMENT AND LOST THE WHOLE THING….BUT IT WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAID….HAVE YOU EVER SEEN RED DAWN?????or JACOB’S LADDER?????RED DAWN WITH PATRICK SWAYZE….THAT WAS FILMED IN 1982….JUST SAW THE NEW VERSION OF RED DAWN….BOTH ARE NOT TOO FAR FROM THE TRUTH….KEEP UP WITH THE RIGHT THOUGHTS…WE HAVE TO UNITE AS ONE AND TAKE BACK ARE RIGHTS…..BLING

  69. Taylor Farms says:

    I live completely off the grid and very comfortable with no problems at all from the government. I even sale my electricity to the municipality.

  70. Wanting to learn says:

    Some information about me. I am 20 years old, going to school and working. My parents more or less grow up in a substistence lifestyle where they took care of themselves, but now we live in the Dallas fort worth metroplex and there is no need to depend on yourself. My parents haven’t really been able to teach me these necessary skills so my question is…. how do I learn these off the grid skills? I’ve read books, watched shows, but is there any classes people know of where i can practice these? I have this gut feeling about september 2015… something is coming. I don’t know how huge of an impact this will be and I don’t really know what. If you look at the pattern though it will be coming in a year and a half from now. I’m anxious and I want to be prepared. So anyone have any tips or know of classes in the dallas/ FT worth area?

  71. Norma I. Lujano says:

    Any green communities out there that are in place? Looking to build my off the grid home in a peaceful place. Contact me plz. contact me only if you are serious plz.

  72. james says:

    the only reason these ppl are getting jail time is simply b/c they do not own the land in which they intend to live off grid.

  73. Dave says:

    Another one of your rights is the right to confront your accuser

  74. tinyoak says:

    there is another option to completely cut yourself off from relying on government. The good old fashioned barter system among neighbors. I see it all the time in the UP of Michigan. One neighbor needs a few potatoes and another is short on milk so they trade and everyone benefits. Neighbor looking out for neighbor…we need to get back to that.

  75. craig maple says:

    I guess all of this is good if you want to go back to living without modern conveniences. the problem i see is that we can think and speak freely, but not act freely or live freely. the best, most feasible solution is first to get politicians use of 501c charities banned or made public information. stripping government bodies of the power they have accumulated. Instituting true democracy wirh available technology and reducing the roles of elected representatives. finally i believe consolidation of departments and cost reductions will be necessary.

  76. Susan says:

    I think of this every time I am researching candidates looking for the one with the most logic and the least amount of BS:

    After the 1787 Constitutional Convention, as the delegates emerged from Independence Hall, a Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

  77. Heather says:

    In my opinion, people are too scared to fight back against the gov, There are more of us than there are of them. Yet, people have become so dependant,they are scared.If only they knew.

  78. CW says:

    I agree, that if you break the law, you should not complain about the consequences. But I also know that, not all laws are enforcemed e we equally. And being that the people breaking the law are human and therefore imperfect, so are the people making the laws, and the officers enforcing them. So to blanket every situation with the same reply, without knowing, is short sited, and closed minded. This world has and is changing. This change maybe good, but not without a lot of pain, death, and destitude first!

  79. Jeanine says:

    what happened? I just read the posts now and it’s been 3 years, were you able to hold your lands?

  80. Jeanine says:

    I just read the posts now. What happened do you still have your lands and are you still living on it as you were before? any more intimidation tactics?

  81. MackDK says:

    I would love to get every poster to this thread to commit to banding together to pioneer a Resistance Survivalist Town somewhere where we choose to live in defiance of local, state, and federal edicts together, barter for everything, supply own needs for survival, live off-grid, and take care of our own. I know there are many people who want the govt off their backs and have lamented the downfall of independent living but few ever do anything about it, or they settle for what they can do for their own family. Why not be the spark to start the movement to take the country back? Do it well, and others will follow and as the old adage goes…there is strength in numbers.

  82. Freedom Fighter says:

    When are the “PEOPLE” of this country going to wake up? We are sitting on our hands and letting the government “DICTATE” to us, every move we make! This is not a dictatorship, YET, but if we don”t do something instead of talking and complaining about it, it won”t be long before it will be!

    • john jones says:

      Let’s start it not any more talk

  83. Susan says:

    I am about to be evicted from a house I lived in for 21 yrs.My parents had it built and they are selling it asap. They don’t give a crap about me.SSD is planning on giving me 600 a month to live. Whee. Live in my car is about all I can do with that. But no they will need an address. LOL I have wanted to live in a cabin in the woods for 30 yrs now.I raised 2 great kids and am now on my own about to be homeless. My stuff is packed and there is no where to go. I was always against government and bs society. Now I have to find out where the hell I am supposed to live. I don’t and never have gave a crap about technology and phones and all that crap. I just want to wake up in a cabin,go out cut firewood,shoot my dinner,and live. I LOVE building firepits and handy things. I have to find a spot NOW.Like right NOW.

  84. Mike says:

    What you are is hilarious!
    ;)

    Thanks for the laughs!

  85. gus says:

    America-the land of the Free…
    as long as you do EXACTLY as you’re told!

  86. thetruthshed says:

    to right dont follow the sheep and now your rights, i may not be american but the struggle the off grid goes on and for our freedom..!!!!

  87. anabata says:

    i hear ya bill. i am 29yrs old and i am sick and tired of landing a great job and then oops company cutbacks. through no fault of my own just simply some rich fuck whats to make even more money i get forced over and over to start again from nothin. who the fuck do these people think they are to take my life away?? i cant even walk in a public park anymore without some fuckin kid hired by the town to stop me and say “hey thats 5bucks to walk in these woods”! what the fuck is that??!! fuck the government!!! they wonder why people are acting out with all these shooting and crap. if your an average joe like me your never gonna make a ton of money but they have no problem charging more and taxes for the same shit you had at a reasonable price 15years ago. its slavery at its darkest is what this country and possibly world has come to.

  88. Brian Rooney says:

    Everybody is a sheep, it’s all a matter of what you pursue

  89. Another Bill says:

    Ya gotta admit, those home are ugly…

  90. Pete says:

    He who laughs first does not always laugh last! Look in the mirror to see something really hilarious! They who laugh at self sustaining people…Just might be a parasite and a non producer…when they get rid of the useless eaters you will probably be one of the first to go! ;-)

  91. Jessica says:

    You won’t be laughing when the day comes and you can no longer just run out and buy food. We will be the ones laughing then.

  92. Logan says:

    What you are is naive and clueless, which is good because fools like you SHOULD be slaughtered.

  93. butch says:

    There’s one of the mindless sheep now, his name is Mike. I know a lot of guys named Mike and all of them are mindless sheep!

  94. thetruthshed says:

    ho the hell are you mike and what the hell are you doing here if its all some joke?!!!

  95. RUeasy says:

    Learn anything Peat? You look like a prissy city boy. I been off the grid for over 40 years Peat and I bet my net worth is more than you ever dreamed. You just keep working for the food stamp lovers and feeding them and I’ll stay off the grid and be happy. Did you get that suit by standing on street corners with your sign Peat? We know how you people work. You say you work for a living but your really the worlds biggest bums. Your looking for peace but you will never find it because you think having the great American dream job is the road to be on. How will you ever survive without the help of you beloved government? Fluck you Peat…

  96. secretlivin says:

    It’s rediculous, unnecesary, and we won’t put up with it! thats what we need to tell the government. Before long, they will control even more if ‘we the people’ don’t put a stop to this! They already control way more of our lives, our money, and our property than they should. Maybe we need to take more drastic measures than just whining about it…

  97. Logan says:

    Unless you’re an illegal alien. Then you can get free housing, healthcare and all sorts of goodies

  98. anabata says:

    right!!! not only state to state but listen to this crap, i cant even walk down the street at say 2am-5am without a damn cop askin what im doin and demanding my ID. what is that crap? i cant go for a fuckin walk? i tell them my momma said not to talk to strangers so sorry officer please leave me alone and this time i get a “what did u say boy” then frisked and held for 3 1/2 hours for no reason! bull shit!

  99. Jessica says:

    Go on…

  100. Dale says:

    People we need a voter revolution. If you want freedom and want to take your government out of the hands of the banks, large corporations, and unions you must stop voting for the two parties that are owned by those same people. If you vote for a democrat or republican you are voting for the same people that control both parties. You are being given a false choice. If you want your vote to count you must vote for a third party candidate not controlled by those people.

  101. Phil says:

    You mean ridiculous?

  102. Phil says:

    Come on people….slippery slope. Just do what you want and stop worrying about the government. They’re not as organized and calculating as one would think. They are mostly incompetant baffoons. Think of who goes into government service. Odds are if you live off the grid they won’t even find you.

  103. Enter your name... says:

    Interesting point… and feasible; but watch those contingencies!

  104. Brian says:

    I’m not sure what the actual time frame is but I remember reading about how the United States only has enough food to last months if we stopped importing it from other countries. It would be so easy for the government to “tighten up” the importing of food and make us all come crying to them. It’s pretty sad when we can’t even feed ourselves. -BM

  105. Billo says:

    Don’t laugh at him please!! he DOESN’T have the brains to understand. He will have his day on laughing on himself one day. THEN he will realize his life’s worth. in a FEMA camp… like a parasite about to be put in a coffin of plastic without a ritual.

  106. bob says:

    i am a over the road truck driver and just 2 weeks ago delivered a load of the disposable coffins to a fema “logistics center” in columbus maryland next to a big fed prison and a homeland security compound. locals say they dont kno what goes on there but trucks are in and out all hours of day and nite it looks like an abandond factory with barb wire and about 200 small house trailers hum makes you wonder

  107. John says:

    Wow, laughing at starvation and poverty. I bet your a classy lady.

  108. Wil says:

    jessica:WTF….Wow….you are so smart…you will eat and laugh, and the dumb ones will starve…You have everything figured out- except the fact that the zombie escapees from the FEMA camps will get your food too….or maybe the boogy-man!..Or the EMP blast, or the doomsday zombie herds…or the government nazis who will take your land and food and herd you into a FEMA camp….Okay, i’ll say it again..just for you…Wut De Fack!

  109. Another Bill says:

    Well, the “other people” are the ones who, instead of living off the grid, make the technology to allow you to have these forums…about living off the grid…on the grid.

  110. melvin says:

    Why don’t you look at yourself mirror. From what you’re picture shows you are a joke! LOL!

  111. tina says:

    hey sorry these non griders dont respect your lifestyle i admire your self sufficiency more people should think as you do its a shame we are all so over depended upon the government none of us are free our current government owns us!

  112. butch says:

    Phil, you had better start paying attention, you are right we shouldn’t worry, we should do something, lest our country become a dictatorship. The basically outlawed the super size, now drinks over 16 ounces in New York City, made smoking illegal, made online gambling illegal. What’s next? It should be a crime to buy anything made in China, it is all junk anyway, that’s why you can buy the crap at Dollar Tree for a buck.

  113. LadyTwoCrowns says:

    Except those illegal aliens are slaves with all that, right? Their free urban housing (that is garbage) and the goodies with all those strings. They’d be better off finding a decent piece of land in mexico or wherever and staying the fack away from this place…. i’d love to see people pool together and help those people replace their homes with some neat old fashioned desert adobe, then fight that “hook up to the grid” bit in court. I’m SURE it’s not legal, and with enough time, you can defeat it. It sure isn’t constitutional. take it to the supreme court. a stand should be made in one of these type of communities in exactly this way.

  114. Wil says:

    Great…..fools that should be slaughtered….WTF kind of comment is that…wanton killing of other humans…so, naive and cluless people deserve to be slaughtered…great!…What is next- euthanize the mentally challenged?…Feed the Christians to the lions…exterminate the ‘mindless’ sheep ?
    This comment gets a gold plated..”WTF”.

  115. kok says:

    kok

  116. MIKE says:

    Come on bro… Im far from a mindless sheep. That hurts my feelers LOL! For real though… down with Mikes haha! I prefer being called a Sailor anyhow

  117. Mike says:

    I resent that comment . This “MIKE” knows it’s coming and is in the process of preparation for not only off the grid but under the radar too using a paddle-wheel turned Gen and windmill so far back in the hills where there is no grid. ZOMBIE SHEEP WILL BE SHOT. (and eaten if necessary) .

  118. unitedstsofbs says:

    American people have been blindly brainwashed by main stream media . Its very sad these so called elite are getting exactly what they want. Meanwhile the American people are disltracted by the next new gadget also used. As mind control. WAKE THE F*** UP PEOPLE!!! Stop letting these Assholes screw us. Think for yourselves.

  119. Msry says:

    I am using my hands to type today — forgive typo’s etc. I have disabilities, but I am still a very good writer/playwright. I see this as a novel first — than a movie.

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