Is living off the Grid now a crime?
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Apparently living off the grid, off the land, and without government assistance is now a crime that can land you in jail, and cause you to lose your home.
Government officials across the country are forming so called “nuisance abatement teams” to intimidate people into giving up their land, or conforming to the governments demands and hooking back into the grid. Counties across the country are actually jailing people for living the way they want to live.
I was alerted to this video by a reader, and was troubled and sickened by what the poor people in the California Desert are being forced to deal with. From being threatened with jail time if they don’t hook back into the grid, to being thrown in jail because the county didn’t like the look of their homes, the people in the deserts of Los Angeles County are being terrorized by their government.
It’s a sad day when living off your own land becomes a crime. Please spread the word because cases like this are increasing at an alarming rate.
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After watching the movie Garbage Warrior, the doc on the earthships, it makes you wonder how government gets anything done.
why dont you look at the violations the people that run this have in there home. bet they cant win em all
SO STOP B I T C H I N ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!
I think one of the biggest problems all people face is people believing so strongly on any particular issue that believing and/or living any other way but their way is unacceptable to them, and people who think that way believing they have to do something about it rather than just living their lives the way they want. Live and let live and individualism seem to be ideas many people cannot accept. However, it is my belief until individualism and live and let live become dominant ideologies, perhaps even the foundation of law, then nobody will ever be truly free because someone else will always be trying persuade, force and/or otherwise make their beliefs and ideologies dominant and superior to those of another.
Naive. Freedom is a relative term.
This really strange, the video. I live in Lincoln NE and here we have a city/Fed Gov project called Antelope Creek project. The city uses eminant domain to get business’s and home owners to move. Expensive project, and on this newly aquired land, city park, multi-story insurance building and parking garage. Privately owned buildings torn down and replaced with city parking garages, hotel/apts. No votes, no city counsel approval, just said and done by a few individuals. Something is rotten here and may out in the desert too!
I feel bad for these guys because they have been there for so long and are now getting harassed. But for all you new off the grid people, keep this in mind when buying your property keep out of Blue Democrat states they like to regulate and control you and your property. Republican states are a lot friendlier to off the grid living.
Republicans? as in the people who.are for war?, guns?, not being able to have rights for your own body and unsupportive towards same sex marriage because they believe in so strongly in something that isn’t there? Its funny how I read on comments of “supporting” off grid yet half of you people commend the Republicans? That’s even more funny then how I.sit and think that the only real people who should be complaining are the Indians who owned this land and respected this land long before the real immigrants (greedy English settlers) came here! Its insane to think that all this mess was in fact created by the blood lines of english settlers! And I commend the Indians who didn’t mouch off their land. They actually traveled and in doing so replenished the earth.
well from the perspective of a Mi’kmaq who is more likely to vote republican than democrat in the presidential election I have to say we are really choosing between the lesser of two evils. I hate war and don’t think it’s any of our governments business who pairs up with who, or what we do with out bodies. However, if you try to see through all the smoke and mirrors you’ll see the real issue all of america needs to combat is the size and scope of our government agencies. We lock up more of our people than any other nation on earth.Our poor, meaning those who can’t afford to pay thousands to lawyers, have NO rights in our judicial system. We the people keep paying more and more out of our paychecks, in addition to our groceries,and to keep our homes and vehicles, while our politicians are busy making more laws.
Speaking as a native american that yearns to live in a world that respects Mother Earth and allows men to live free of the soul crippling fences we have established at every turn and every decision OUR government is too big. Whatever smoke and mirrors they want to wave around us please do not be deceived. We can love whom ever we want to and the republicans are not going to stop it.
Zoning regulations are powerful means of controlling how structures in an area look. And neighbors do not mean adjacent neighbors. Anyone can complain about anything when it comes to Zoning ordinances. Clearly, there is an interest in clearing private property of undesired structures which is using the law against poor people. Clearly the land owners cannot afford to change and that is the weapon. The land owners should find a clause (loophole) that allows them to remain as they are. Maybe they can be called caretakers of their land instead of residents because they structures are not recognized as homes.
We have letters that help you protect your rights for FREE!!!
Everything is going up. Oil increases rapidly which accounts for increased inflation. Off the grid is the way to go. It is getting cheaper and cheaper to remove yourself from the grid. No one wants everyone to know its possible so they are making sure people are not off the grid. I live in Africa, and we are being forced to be on the GRID. Even if you move off they will charge you for serives you don’t need and can take your property away if you dont pay. There are standard services we all have to pay for. If you dont use them you still have to pay.
Let’s see, “team” starts with a “T”, and so does “terrorist” and “target”. I shoot targets, I will shoot terrorists, and I will shoot “teams”, no matter what costume they are wearing if they trespass on my property and I feel threatened.
California is not the only place this sort of police state activity is being reported. In Chicago IL our political system has just squelched a committee designed to investigate police brutality along with multiple reports of torture to get US citizens to confess to crimes. Everyday I read another article, usually buried on the last page, about somewhere else that some aspect of the US government is trampling the rights of the people. I’m not one to buy into conspiracy theories, nor one to jump on the band wagon of every sob story that comes along. That said, evidence is everywhere that our free country has been turned into a police state. In my personal acquaintances I encounter a man that is now serving time in prison for hunting raccoon. This poor man was injured, taking a bullet to save someones life, and lost his ability to work. He turned to the only thing he had left to care for his family which was hunting, now he’s in prison and four kids don’t have a dad. It is absolutely insane that we the people, at least the majority, are doing nothing. Is this really all just craziness? My own daughter, a very conservative young lady, has told me she wants to move out of the US when she graduates from college…Is there really anything we can do?
First off write your friend in prison and give him my sincerest apologie he is locked up for killing a raccoon, but having hunted raccoon before I know them to have one of the foulest meats on the planet so I’m forced to assume he didn’t intend to feed his family with his kill.
Second off tell him, if he didn’t break the law, he would not be incarcerated. Plain and simple.
Third, where were you when this man was so destitute? It appears you are right YOU the people are doing nothing, except blame everyone else for not helping you or you friend with our tax dollars.
Give me a break people, quit whining and become a productive self sufficient person. Quit blaming the government or the so called police state, quit breaking the law.
I’ve been a cop going on 16 years and the only people I have ever met who complain about law enforcement are those who have been arrested, had family arrested or knew only the arrested persons side of events when they made their mind up. Grow up people
Take responsibility for your own actions for once in your pathetic lives
Amen.
This makes me so mad! anyone should be able to live off THEIR OWN PRIVATE land the way they want (as long as they are not doing harm to others, like real harm, not just being a ‘nuisance’ to ‘neighbors’ that are ten miles away. that’s bullshit right there)even if their own private property is in the middle of a fucking city! I have been dreaming of going off grid and i feel like more people should. we need to get the government out of our private lives. seriously, if people are not harming others than we should be able to do whatever we want on our property. this pisses me off…especially how the government is coming onto these peoples properties with force and showing their guns to frighten these people into submission
Wow….I love reading this crap !
The biggest terrorism and “terrorists”, that have ever been, have always been a large centralized government! America is taking these known characteristics!
Reading these comments is hillarious, and equally frightening. Living off the grid should be legal.
That means not connected to a power company grid.
But, the paranoid and delusional ,comments from the fringe weirdos, that mention things like FEMA camps, agenda 21, EMP blasts, total choas and breakdown, government conspiracy, collapse, nukes,and others… is just nonsense, and ridiculous. Did these people forget to take their medication before they clicked on submit ? This crap reads better than “The Hunger Games”.
Is everything a government plot?… Maybe if people were less delusional, with utopian views and psychotic anger, the concept of off-grid living would be better accepted by the masses. Reading the comments is an eye opening experience. It is utterly amazing that humans can reach these viewpoints, given the opportunities we have at our disposal: the internet, lessons of history, ethics, and law. Here, there is much to glean…and screen.
There is no universal consensus here, only random rants. It is fascinating to imagine what the bloggers look like….what people they contact frequently, think about them, or what a live conversation with them would be like.
The best part is that it is free….and entertaining. The worst part of it is accepting the fact that people think like they do. It is really scarry. The content here could be the basis for a great made for TV movie.
This is another reason to vote for Romney. The Socialist agenda is openly practiced,selected and promulgated by Obama.
I’m NOT advocating illegal tax avoidance or avoiding property taxes. There are so many ways to LEGALLY reduce taxes, it is insane to try to do it illegally.
But we have a RIGHT to live unbothered by Government as long as we pay our bills. If we select a geographic area without CC and Rs. then we are governed by local ordinances.
We must politically fight against intrusive ordinances. A way to do this is to NOT vote Democrat, picket local Governmental agencies and hire lawyers to assist us.
sanjosemike
Remember Masada. They believed in their freedom enough to die as free men. The government has no control over the dead and they pay no taxes to Caesar.
Okay….mass suicide….W/T/F!
So I guess it is wait till things finish cracking down where I am at then go off to government land in the forest and use camo and do your thing from there. I see and have seen for awhile things that have shown me the signs of whats coming. Government control and prisons or death for those who will not conform. I am sitting here learning survival skills including things that will have a value when things are at it’s worst.
Hunger games ?
Okay Lorena….so, you are going to squat on National Forest or Park Service property, “use camo” and hide ? You think the ‘Government’ is going to control you, with prison camps and death?
Instead of survival skills, why not seek counseling; to sort of…you know…approach reality…it will be okay. There are really good medications now….unlike years ago. No,no,no….the maryjane is just going to make things worse….Have you seen the movie “What about Bob”?…Baby steps…you know, like Dr.Leo Marvin suggested.
change the name from washingTON to washingNONE!!!
estrogen soy milk for vegan punks…. that soy that turns to pesticide in your gut… in the school lunch line
“no I dont have adhd.. i am just a fuzzy bunny”
whaaatdeeefaaack???
facadism bares the traumatic experience of an alter… what are you trying to prove.. that your the worlds mightiest enemy? what have you got to die for? what have you got to live on….. what are we doing here? watching our friends die
wwwwww/ttttt/fffff/???
bb you wanna come bring me a cloudy day?
whutt daaa faackk….
they want me to drink the soy milk… turn down the porn… and pick up testy pills… oh yah.. and keep taking my ritalin?
wutdafuk….
Fortunately, in Arizona, you’re allowed to live off the grid. Three of our northern counties have lots of people off grid. It’s a bit tough for them when they go to put a manufactured home on there because those are regulated by the federal gov’t, but after it’s installed, owners pretty much do what they want. The county building dept’s and small town leaders have generally been there a long time, so they communicate with those folks a bit differently than city and town folks. But then most of Arizona natives are against heavy regulation of anything. It’s the transients to this state that screw everything up, like from California who try to make Arizona into another California. Probably why most AZ natives are NOT Cali fans. If you haven’t heard, us Arizonans are a bunch of gun toting wild west red necks from the OK Corral. I guess I could say that I resemble that remark! I do love my state, it’s the goobers here I question.
I forgot to comment about the video. I find it apalling that they have not rpovided anything in writing as to why they are doing this to residents. It’s pretty clear that it’s harassement to get people to sell their lands for development. I completely agree with that assessment. When leaders don’t communicate honestly and openly, they leave stakeholders and constituents to only assume that there is a hidden agenda.
Let. The. War. Began
What deee frickkk…..Began?…as in past tense?
So….you want war? Who would want war? WWWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!
OMG….
Okay…what part of crazed fringe weirdo, doomsday predicting, war promoting, off the wall(grid)…off the planet, out of touch with reality, etc….are we not getting?…Again, I repeat…WTF?
3 words: Follow The Money.
Good….an intelligent response, and a move in the right direction…..
Where in the hell is the ACLU? This is exactly what they exist for!
I am an American because I was born in this country, and I truly believe that this country belong to the people of the United States. With that said the government can not force people to live where they tell them to, or to be part of their society. The Declaration of Independence, states that if the government fails the people, then it is the peoples right to take back the government. So, I will leave you all with this: If the day came that I had to go into the forest, woods, or just leave society I would like to see the government try and stop me, or even try to arrest me. I am an American, and I will fight for my freedom at what ever the cost.
Alex: You are right….unfortunately, if you break the law you will be arrested or worse. Who in the government would tell you where or how to live ? Be specific. Cite a legal statute or locality. Define society. Freedom is a relative term. Whose forest or woods will you be going to ? National Forest or Park?…Save yourself. Work within the system to make it better. The government IS the people. The national forests belong to the people of the USA, true. But, you cannot run there and live there….it is illegal. Now if you own some nice woods to escape to, that would be okay. What is worth fighting for…and losing?
They are stealing land,so they can make money for themselfs.I hope that more people can ban together and protect their land.
While I’m not off the grid yet, I’m working at it. From another view point, I’m in law enforcement and have. only seen places (homes) like this being condemned by the GOV as you say when it becomes a health and safety’ issue. Usually this involves children living in such filthy conditions to cause health concerns or a location of such poor repair as to cause an immediate threat to their safety. No water means no hygiene, and no drinking water (essential for healthy life). As far as electric goes, Most all cities have or ordanances requiring electric to be tied into the grid. Butt most all counties and states just require you to have electric power. We have tons of off gridders in my jurisdiction and most of them are great, but some of them shame the off grid movement with their bullshit like this story.
What this story fails to show you is the overflowing feces on the floors, toilets overflowing with feces, trash everywhere, homes, RV etc in such poor repair and so disgustingly filthy any decent person wound not enter without a steril body suit and gas mask. Children so dirty, mal nourished and in many cases affected by their so called parents drug use. Or the frequent theft of other peoples utilities.
These are the reasons code enforcement types and law enforcement usually come into contact with people living like this, not to mention the vast numbers of them being on some form of probation or parole. This is not insinuating all off gridders are like this of course. Many off gridders live very healthy happy lives, but others live in squaller which can be a threat to public health, enviormental health and good common sense.
The other thing to think about is these people are not being targeted for living off the grid, as there is no law anywhere I can find which states off grid living in any state is illegal that is as long as you pay your Taxes). They are being targeted because their living conditions or living standard are so poor it has been deemed a detriment to themselves, their children and the environment they live on. Not to mention the trespassing / squatting on property belonging to others, and or building / parking your trash heap of hepatitis infested fire trap of a home along with all the other desert rat trap homes right next to a neighbor who has to deal with your unsanitary conditions and safety code violations threatening his home property and family.
There is a living standard in the law which requires (access) to basic utilities.
1 water: city water, well water, spring water, etc. you get to pick.
2. Heat: for winter, wood stove, fireplace, forced heating and air. Again you pick.
3. Waist removal: city sewer, septic tank, composting toilet, or just about anything else that doesn’t involved your uncontrolled sewerage from contaminating the ground or water system.
4. Electricity, while highly recommended is not generally a requirement, unless it is needed to facilitate you water and or heat and for most people it does. Even then it can be : city power, solar, wind, hydroelectric, generators etc.
The key word is Poor. Their just poor, and I for one do not judge them for that, because there was a time in my life prior to becoming law enforcement, where I was a homeless man, who happened to be poor as a door mouse. I feel for the poor because I know how much it sucks to feel your will to live and your pride seep from your body as you try to keep warm. I was lucky enough to fix my situation, let’s hope these men women and children can do the same.
Bless all preppers, all off gridders for we will have the knowledge and fortitude to continue on in case (insert disaster here) ever befalls this world and this great nation.
And people please quit bagging on the government, because it does no good. The Gov isn’t set up to help us out of every jam, nor were they intended to help us from anything other than protecting us from foreign and domestic enimies of this nation. Every other thing the government provides, student loans, aid relief, disaster releaf, welfare, list goes on and on, is all a bonus. In fact great men who founded this country and it’s ideals fought against providing these types of services to the citizens because they believed the citizenry needed to be self reliant and not dependent on their governing body for basic life.
It is our fault as citizens if we feel the government has become too intrusive, because we allowed it to happen out of our own greed, and we’re to lazy to remain self sufficient.
The government is not broken, we the people are, the government has spent the better part of two centuries trying to make the people happy, and we keep wanting more. When does it stop?
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Amen…..thank you for the intelligent, and common sense comment. God bless you Onestar 14.
My takeaway: we need to change these laws that require people who are living in rural areas to meet all these “quality of life” standards that you listed.
People who want to live off the land and who really believe in freedom to the fullest need to JOIN TOGETHER and COMMUNICATE. Just something as simple as having meetings, volunteering to teach each other tips and lessons gained from our different experiences.
We can defend our freedoms: we should start meeting and forming a community of like-minded individuals, maybe eventually we can get lobbyists who can go represent our interests in DC.
Yeah….thats what we need…meetings,and lobbyists in DC. Oh…and change the laws. Right. here is a novel idea for you cup of Joe…How about obeying the law?…PRETTY SIMPLE HUH!…Who in the government is going to bother you,find you, or care;…if you are living simply and following the law. You can live off-grid-legally….Cite a statute that says differently…Swat teams, etc..only show up when laws are broken…there is more to the story in the video. Paranoid fringe weirdos predicting the doomsday need a reality check. Start by obeying laws. Off-grid means only to be disconnected to a power grid. It is legal. Everything else here is speculation, uninformed, juvenile, and out of touch with reality. Not one blogger has cited a law saying where or how it is illegal to live off the grid. Not one. Show me the law. Show me the money. Put up or shut up. You can’t poop all over the ground….there are health laws….you have to have water. Heat is easy….It is not illegal to NOT have AC!…The entire premis of this blog site is out of touch with reality, fueled by paranoia, and an isolated case/video that isn’t showing all side of the truth. Come on. What does it take?…or more importantly…WTF!…I am waiting…reading…ready.
He went looking for America…..
….and couldn’t find it.
“It’s difficult to be free when your bought and sold in the market place”
“Well it doesn’t make them running scared”
“No…it makes them dangerous”
“NEEEK NEEEK NEEEK…SWAMP”
What the phuk is this? Are you kidding me…”NEEK NEEK NEEK”…WTF!…Diagnosis:AFU. Report to the nearest ER.
Those were some of my neighbors pictured and it is actually much worse than what you have read about. Ranch owners come under attack all the time by Los Angeles County NAT. NAT, comes in around 5:30AM and does a swat style raid and goes after homeowners for anything and everything; right down to the number of chickens roaming the ranch and what kind of vehicles you can have on your land.
They leave little old ladies out in the winter cold for hours and then leave with the house ripped up and huge fines they know the owner could never pay; then they seize the property.
You would think that living out in the middle of nowhere you would be left alone, not in LA County!
I was extatic to find this page. I had no ideas that there were so many people out there that felt the same way as I do. There is far too much goverment for us to really live. The fines, the fees, the permits. There is so much nonsense. I could write for days about how much BS there is in our country. My girlfriend got a ticket a few months back because my 11 year old dog still has his balls. Apparently you need to have a permit both for having a dog and for their balls. This is just a small example of what we’redealing with.
In short, I’m fed up. I’m ready for a change. I’m ready for a battle, war or peaceful demonstrations.
Either way, something has to change.
We live in a connected world. We can communicate. We can organize. Locally, nationally, worldwide… We have that power. Why aren’t we using it?!?!
We ARE using ‘inter-connectedness’, Blake. Amazingly enough, Egypt actually started some of the first Occupy Wall Street protests. Our people over here have been in contact with their “organizers’ for quite a while. But Americans are ‘soft’ compared to the Egyptians, who have had to deal with violence and government oppression all their lives. Peaceful American protesters have been maced, shot and beaten. The riot police have alot of big bad weapons and they know how to use them. Most us folks just want to live a peaceful life and be left alone. I’d hate to have to spend all my time training to shoot a high powered gun…I don’t want to kill anyone. I don’t want my own limbs blown off, either. I think the most effective way of fighting is with your money. Don’t give it to them! That’s one of the main reasons they are trying to snuff out all the self efficient folks…we don’t NEED the government!
Hey I have been searching for a community of people that want to go out in live off the earth, growing gathering, and hunting all the food and medicine. or already have a community out somewhere where they own the land. Where can I find these type of communities?
I’m ready to stand up!!!! I have been ever since I got back in January 2010 from and 2009 deployment. I realized that I was nothing but a pawn in a big corrupt game of money and power. I realized that I was helping to kill my own fellow soldiers.
I just received a letter from the IRS on Monday the 27th 2012 stating that they need information from me because the stupid fucking Department of Defense can’t send them a simple little letter stating that I was in fact deployed in 2009. So now I gotta dig out my DD214 and send it to them. Plus I’ve been paying off part of my sign on bonus for almost a year now even tho it states in my contract that I earned every little bit that I got. I tried to straiten it out but all they do is feed me a bunch of Bullshit saying I needed to meet some other requirement to that’s not stated in my contract.
I am trying to find some good developer tools for iphone / android / smartfone. And not just a dev tool kit I also need the translator to convert to iphone / android / smartfone. I am interested in making apps for all new phone models. If anyone is interested in dev projects hit me up please. I have an idea about developing a cellphone app that will upload video instantly to a website with password for secure viewing at a later time even if the cellphone is confiscated.
The only difference between doing it and not doing it is…doing it.
We’ve been off grid since 1984, built our house with native materials…grow, hunt, fish, gather about 80% of our food, trade for the rest. We still have and foster community, treat others well and lend helping hands. We aren’t friggin’ islands…and the county sheriff knows I’ve got his back.
What is ironic is that these county inspectors can enforce “aesthetic” codes meanwhile coal and oil companies are tearing up the earth and oceans and destroying the environment and they go uncensored and unrestricted.
I have seen this kind of nonsense before and i guarantee that they are being systematically forced to relocate because the city officials are in cahoots with developers who want that land for their own development purposes. What they DONT want is media exposure. They dont want their constituents to know what they are doing because they are dealing under the table and they could lose everything. So to help out those folks, the city must be forced to pay for their land and relocation at a good price for the potential future market value and make sure there is plenty of media exposure on the proceedings. Their goal is to get the land virtually for nothing and make a huge profit on it. The citizens goal is to play their game only do it one better.
start a petitions its is the governing body of the area that adopted National Zoning Laws ,so how the live in new York is under the same law as the middle of the desert… well what works in New York don’t work in the desert and visa versa and from town ship to town ship and state to state, that is why there shouldn’t be a National Regulation or law for any thing if you don’t like it there is very little escape this type of thig should never happened if you don’t like one town or counties laws you are free to move to a different town or county if it is a State law you don’t like then you could move to a state that is more liberal or conservative but when it is national there is no escape from legislation that you don’t agree with “You Will Conform Or else ”
Yes, this is true. I have relatives who live near these folks, and the places are way out in the middle of No-where. They wren’t bothering ANYONE. What BS. I think the government is testing and training local authorities in the art of harassment and control of American citizens. They know these “desert rats” have no friends, family, or communities to rise up and come to their defense. So the “authorities” will learn the feeling of success in their bullying of the American people. Sort of like how dog fighters and cock fighters do. They steal a gentle dog and force it to try to defend itself against their fighter dogs (same thing with cock fighting) and the fighter dog can kill the gentle dog easily. The fighter learns the feeling of winning and can’t wait to kill it’s next victim. Eventually, the fighter dog is ready and eager for greater challenges. In this case…bigger communities of people who will give them more of a fight…which they are certainly ready for.
I am sick to death over this
The people who don’t know what is going on are too afraid to face what is coming at us. That is what the illuminati, AKA 1%, AKA insiders, always known as the assholes of the world want. Now their plans are so close to completion they don’t care. There was an audio recording of one of them boasting about the culling, the mass murder of 90% of the population and that they can’t be stopped. What gets me, is that governments, including ours is going along with it in the name of protecting the earth from the overpopulation. But they have been planning this and trying to accomplish it since the early 1900s if not before.
>>>”I am from the south and I do not want the goverment to own me. The people in the north are the ones that will starve when big daddy says so. As I told my yankee husband he will never starve because I can hunt,kill skin,cook meat and this also goes for my garden.”<<
Oh my. I don't know why all southerners seem to think that us Yanks only know how to sit around reading the NYT and sipping Latte while our nail polish dries. lol
I hate to disappoint you, but all the Yanks I know not only have your 'skill set", but also have the education and technological know-how to do a great many other things, which would come in mighty handy should the need arise.
Considering that the North is full of forests, game, mountains, caves, clean water, farmland, ocean, natural fuels and foods, I can assure you that a great number of us would not be starving.
I know it might mess with your preconceptions a little bit, but I have attended embassy events in Washington DC, poured my own lead rounds, am quite skilled in bow use, trapping, animal lore, horsemanship, alternative power sources, etc etc. I can ALSO read the NYT and sip a latte. We are the sons and daughters of the original settlers and revolutionaries, in addition to the descendants of the forebears that kicked the South's colelective arses. Don't make the common mistake of mistaking kindness for weakness. You'll be skinning a mangy rabbit for dinner & sweating to death in the summer humidity on your peeling porch while we'll have wind-powered running water, herds of animals, crops, cave sanctuaries, numerous levels of security -and most all the comforts of home.
Heh. (You knew someone had to say it.)
No offense to these good people, but from what i’ve seen all my life you have to either not give a crap about freedom or be out of your mind to live in California..
Ask the president for help. Contact your congressman and ask him to help.There is a fine line between upholding the laws and harrassing citizens of this country. People that have found a way to survive without harm to any other persons should not be pushed around by any government. The officials there are creating homelessness instead of helping to stop it.
Wow….a hail mary…”Ask the president for help”.
WTF….are you kidding me ? Ha Ha Ha…LOL…Hello. Which president are you referring to ?…There is a fine line between naive and stupid.
f off wil the intel troll….the system is built for you not to be able to escape it…everything we fight about is exactly what they want…us being good slaves and fighting about all THEIR rubish..which includes new age,gov politics,racism,religion etc etc…all of which are control nodes…moving to a sustainable life style is about the closest you will get to freedom except for going full tribal type living roaming like the natives on untracked land which is to rough a lifestyle for most. Back out of the system… youtube “the dream of life 5d” these people were physically threatened for backing completely out of the state in austrailia..I mean giving up there dl’s and all documents and being a free people..they had 12 death threats and one was shot at…ITS NO F’IN JOKE wil!!!!!!!
Wow, all I was looking for was info about living off the grid and came across this page. The dialog is evidence that my thoughts about government and it’s power to divide this country and it’s people are solid and hold a lot of water. In my sixty eight years I have lived in a few countries and numerous states. I have seen much discourse and hate. The governments around the world are winning and will realize their goal of making slaves of everyone. If you doubt me, check out UN agenda 21, which by the way, is supported by the current administration. In closing, I would suggest, all should channel this energy into constructive rather than destructive conversation.
Rolla missouri.. cita law to accupy a building you must have the powerhooked up and on but you can choose not to use it .I know i just wont roundup with the city hall about it
“Is living off the Grid now a crime?” ended up being a pretty pleasant blog,
. I hope you keep posting and I’m going to continue following! Thanks for your time -Kaylee
Decades ago, while pursuing my Botany Degree, I had a wonderful book that I lent to someone, who never gave it back shame on him. It was a book describing every type of moss, bush, tree, flower, root that was edible, in the northeast of the U.S. and it was amazing that practically every thing is edible. Knowing this, how to build a shelter and start a fire, I believe is important as general knowledge, something kids should know, not to be afraid of getting one’s hands dirty. I live on a saltwater marsh, so I have even more plentiful resources. Let the mega-wealthy live where they desire, if money becomes obsolete, I’ll make a salad from weeds, eat veggies that I grow, dig clams, fish and survive. The prospect of a comet hitting our planet is a greater risk than most people realize.
You live in a fascist police state, get used to it or leave while you still can.
I understand and appreciate these people. Leave them alone and let them live the life they want, in the house they want. Freedom without government control should be our number one priority. You better stand up for these people. You’re next..
What’s up, its fastidious article on the topic of media print, we all know media is a fantastic source of data.
Wow, where I live, I have been forced to live off the grid, because I refuse to go so deep into dept that I would never get out. I actually enjoy living the old way. I never get bored, there is always something to be done.
I have read every comment on the Page down to the bottom and with All the Ranting and Raving and other Strategies that have been laid out and Argued about,,, NOT ONE of you ” OFF THE GRID ” supporters,, Have Realized One ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS FACT,, Being Unbelievably OVERLOOKED in your Plan…. And that is the Simple FACT that you are on the “INTERNET” which is my friends,,,, THE GRID…. UNDERSTAND ??? How do you intend to be OFF THE GRID and SWIMMING THROUGH IT in all your SHINY WELL LIGHT HERE I AM ADVERTISING BILLBOARD SPLENDOR ??? REALLY ??? OFF THE GRID MEANS ,,, OFF THE GRID. Without exception PERIOD >>> Sheesh !!
These idiots who are killing children and shooting up theaters,should be a little more constructive and kill and shoot up these idiots who bother people that aren,t doing any harm to others. People such as Mr.antonovich ,and other so called elected officials . These are the ones who are making it hard to live life as we choose. They will always find ways to make you leave your home, you fix one thing ,they find something else more expensive for you to change. Just wait until the start putting in whatever it is they want on the land and start tearing that down.
A major error in thinking appears to be very common. The GOVERNMENT is your neighbors. Each and every one of these stupid or brilliant things the GOVERNMENT does is a decision made by an INDIVIDUAL person. When people think that the government’s LAW has power they fail to recognize that these laws are meaningless until someONE chooses to act according to the law or punish someone else for not acting according to their law. The way to stop the GOVERNMENT