Is living off the Grid now a crime?

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Apparently living off the grid, off the land, and without government assistance is now a crime that can land you in jail, and cause you to lose your home.

Off-Grid Home in Los Angeles County, California

Government officials across the country are forming so-called “nuisance abatement teams” to intimidate people into giving up their land, and force off-grid home owners to conform to the government’s demands and hook back into the grid. Counties across the country are actually jailing people for choosing to live the off-grid lifestyle.

Living off the grid declared Illegal in many areas of the Country

In the deserts around Los Angeles County, California, Off-Grid residents are being targeted, arrested, and intimidated into to hooking back into the gird.

I was alerted to these videos by a reader, and was troubled and sickened by what the poor people in the California Desert are being forced to deal with. From being threatened with jail time if they don’t hook back into the grid, to being thrown in jail because the county didn’t like the look of their homes or land, the people in the deserts of Los Angeles County are being terrorized by their local government.

Instituted in 2006 by Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich, the Los Angeles Board of Supervisors’ Nuisance Abatement Teams have been targeting and jailing residents for victimless misdemeanors and code violations.

Code enforcement teams have been hitting unincorporated areas of L.A. County hard, leaving local off-gridders unsure of what the future holds. Local residents are freighted that they may lose not only their homes, but their freedom as well.

It’s a sad day when living off your own land becomes a crime. Please spread the word because cases like this are increasing at an alarming rate.


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  1. If we are self sufficient, then we don’t depend on the government, and if we don’t depend on the government, they cannot dominate and control the people. Their whole “spread the wealth” game is to make us dependent upon them, so they can therefore control the population. History teaches this ploy goes on all over the world.

    • Thiago Martins says:

      There is one more thing to do, to take back the control from the government. STOP FED! STOP USING DOLLAR! And start using Bitcoins TODAY!!
      Bitcoins bring the Off-The-Grid concept to our currency!! Gotcha?! ;)

      • DOirate says:

        Bitcoins ARE the grid, pal.

        • jockie says:

          need to start using caps lol

          • Wil says:

            WTF ?

          • FlippinBiscuits says:

            I think it’s a reference to that video game “Fallout” where the main means of currency in the post-apocalyptic game play is bottle caps.

          • Pfarthing6 says:

            Ha! Totally! Where’s my pulse rifle!!!

          • Enter your name... says:

            silly? try living without one.

          • kel says:

            pogs =-)

          • sophie says:

            people need to stop using money all together and start growing there own food period. Go right back to food bartering or trade goods …fuck money and the gov. U.S. makes me sick, freedom has become nothing more then an allusion and has been for many many years now

          • Bitcoins, caps, it’s all money. We need to think further ahead. Money is a lazy way to establish and maintain order. If you want to make a difference, begin by banning any and all forms of money. Work purely on the basis of exchanging personal favors.

            There’s an expression about making money work for you instead of you for it. People get rich that way but they also end up producing very little if anything of actual value.

            Here’s an idea. If you cannot achieve the end rather than the means with your own personal hands then it’s not something you should do. Fix your friend’s roof in exchange for some carrots but don’t use ‘money’. Be it caps or anything else, the moment you do that you’ve already started to become part of the problem.

          • David says:

            Off grid living is an awesome concept, but claiming that a piece of federal land is any one persons home an living on that site for months, or years is something that a lot of us would love to do. But is still on public lands so my taxes, and everyone who is not living ‘off grid’is paying their rent. We do not have a “homesteading” act in this country anymore, and a majority of off griders seem to think that they have some right to keep people off “their” land when they have absolutely no right to claim it in the first place. Recently, in North Idaho in the Selway wilderness I was shot at by a pair of “off Griders” that claimed I was trespassing. This is an issue that the Government need to address because along with claiming land for themselves they hunt, fish, and build wherever and whatever they want. If only a few are getting away with it and then Network Television propagate it and glamorize it like they are, the numbers of off griddes “getting away from it all” is seen as a way to leave all responsibility behind and “live a dream” that for most ends up being a terrible mistake. So unless you own, or lease, or have permission to live in OUR national forests and Wilderness areas, get a job. Join the human race, and when you save enough money to legally own the property, get the hell out. You have a right to live in permitted areas for a set number of days, then you must move your camp site. But no one has the right to claim areas of Public lands as their personal property where they pay zero taxes, and impact eco systems, in a negative manner, and do more harm than good….good for them, bad for everyone else.

        • Michael says:

          Bitcoins are the the precursor to the One Name System Doesn’t take a financial mastermind to figure this one out; only spiritual slumbering. Don’t allow others to deceive you in this THINK about it, bitcoins don’t require any printing press, no ink, no paper, no stamp-plating; and identity theft is one of the most financially lucrative and most oft perpetrated crimes committed online today. The ONLY way to curtail this crime is by monitoring the account holder’s DNA and completely eliminating ALL non-virtual forms of currency Holy Bible believing Christian theologians and adherents of Christian scripture, who believe in the biblical eschatology refer to this dna stamp encoding as receiving the “Mark of the Beast” For the Love of God and the Sake of Your Mortal Soul, WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

          • Michael says:

            One Number System*

          • Vincent the Conqueror says:

            Government is evil, but that has nothing to do with anything ‘mark of the beast’-related. The mark of the beast is mankind itself. YOU are a beast.

          • who knows says:

            I want to know how many of you smart college grads know about the act of 1872? Stop telling me and everyone else the law and go FUCKING study your books.

          • who knowsEnter your name... says:

            sorry that’s the act of 1871.There is no national forests or parks. Just because some asshole in the white house sad so doesn’t make it so.

      • Jia says:

        I am a survivalist interested in trecking the appalachian trail…please contact me.

        • Vernon says:

          Jia, still looking to trek the appalachian trail?

        • bob12321 says:

          Stay on the ” Long Trail ” in Vermont.
          Vermont may be seceding from the Union soon.
          Good Luck. Plenty of old apple orchards along the trail.

          • Marc says:

            Please stay out of Vermont. I live here and want as few people here as possible when everything goes bad! ha ha

          • Margaret Gibson says:

            Vermont to succeed for the union would be like Washington D. C. to become a state. It will never happen and you know it. Even Texas with all it’s resource could not Survive long by itself in these modern times. The only way it would work as if everyone in the state in question dearly sacrificed to do it. I mean it would be very expensive to man an Army, Marines, Navy and Air force even if it could be done it would take years to arrange. I realize both state have ex military but that would not be enough and both states have federal lands and a lot of it. So what would the states do take it from the USA? I don’t think so! The U.S. goverment would sent in troops from other states just as Connecticut did in the late 1700’s by sending troops into PA to quail riots there. I think for many reasons it would be foolish to try now days. The best option is diplomatic and with the full support of our States population behind our Governors, Legislators. We have the power in our states to force the Governments hand we just need to state using it and take back our country before someone else takes it away from us with out a fight. George Washington said we should have a civil war every 10 yrs to keep the Government in check. All the President have warned us that this could happen but no one reads our history anymore. The Presidents power to Veto congress was a bad idea when Reagan asked for it and it still is with Obama and has been abused by every President since. We the people need to take back our country now! on the state level and then we need to do it on a federal level. We need to get back to a common sense nation and stop all this BS! We the people means all of us Black, White Hispanic, Filipino, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, African etc. we need to work together for the greater good of us all. No religion, no biases, no prejudices toward the LGBT communities of any kind. We are all in this together so it is time we work it out once and for all. I pray for that day. When we come back to being a Nation with integrity, and values other then drugs and video games and self indulgence.

          • Paul says:

            Margaret G. is incorrect — Texas can at anytime and hopefully soon will be able to do so. As a republic — Texas has the option annually — it is just a matter of time

          • Nic says:

            Paul, the Texas state constitution prohibits it from ceceiding, fyi.

          • Ted says:

            I just recently purchased a building lot at a lake community. It’s gated, PA and all. Turns out, I have to have a building permit to even stay on the land. Then, it’s only for a weekend until my structures built. I plan on drawing up a plan for a home w basement. I figured I would winch my RV INTO the basement and go completely solar and self reliant on water and composite toilet system. Now, there is a neighbor to the lot. I don’t want them ratting on me to the codes enforcement dude and being homeless. In reality, that’s what I would have. I need to be there for a couple seasons to gather data on sun, soil, etc.. How can they damn me for staying on a lot I just paid for, if out of sight? Confusing.

        • Aharon says:

          Ever make it out to the Appalachian trail? I’m a survivalist to been looking for my next adventure lol.

        • bob says:

          Hey! Did you leave yet?

          • Micheal Kuhlenbeck says:

            how long are you expected to venture out and is it total rustic, no cabins right? Just nylon tent between us and nature

        • jackie8504 says:

          hope u have not left yet

        • Jim says:

          Jia I to am a former US Marine and survivalist. I’ve been looking for a partner to take on the App Trail for a long time.

        • Enter your name... says:

          Hey, North Korea is looking for people. So is Iraq, and Afghanistan, Somalia, Columbia, Russia, Africa and many more countries that will let you live without spending a dime because they have wonderful social programs, and awesome heathcare. NOT, you will be in a work camp living on piss, and worms ifyou are lucky, and maybe only get Malaria,afew times…. If you hate this country try India, especially if you are female…they have SOOOO many rights. Or try most any European countries where owning a firearm will get you thrown in jail. I can not believe I served in 26 years fighting terrorism, being sent to every shit hole you can think of to bring warmongers, Drug kingpins, human smugglers, and terrorists to either an end, or Federal Prison. So sticking your head in the sand, and hating your country is due to ignorance. Until you kill people in the name of Freedom and human rights, or accompany a Special Forces Group to take out the people around the world who are trying to kill American by TERRORISM or IMPORTING tons of Heroin, cocaine & meth, also killing tons of AMERICANS… please stay whereyou are

          • not getting brain fucked says:

            Hey Enter your name. What country do you live in? The U.S is getting just as bad as the others. You cant take a shit here without paying for it.

      • YA MAN says:

        why do not you wipe your ass with stone or leaves too??

        • Norma I. Lujano says:

          Pff!! Some toilet papers aleady feel that way :/

      • Jackee McDavee says:

        seriously, bitcoins are such a joke…
        there is no off-grid…we are all doomed to die with a government stampon our head…

      • Al says:

        At first did not like it but starting to like this bitcoin idea…but…don’t you have to be on the grid to be using a computer and using bitcoin. Perhaps barter is better.

    • robin macquarrie says:

      I’m all for an Occupy your own land movement which
      would include, the right to camp there, have a trailer, live in a cardboard box and be buried there. As long as what a person does, does not create a safety hazard to their neighbor then they should have a right to do so on their own land.

      • I agree, for freedoms sake, but especially now, given all the financial problems, homelessness, etc., In my area of the NW, white people homesteaded Indian land in 1910, so our history here is not that long. From then until the 1970s, rural folks could build what they needed to in order to survive. If you didn’t do that, you were considered a loser.

      • David says:

        That’s part of the problem, they want to do it on ANY land, but mostly on Federal Land, where they think that they have the right to cut out a little piece for their own, then protect it from trespassers like they own it. Freedom is not just for the disenfranchised. No one ever gave me public land; even after Serving 26 years in S.F.Group 6, and killing and watching my American Brothers being killed, blown up, losing limbs, going blind, and sacrificing lives so people at home could use Bit coins, monopoly money,r whatever they use. Come sere a year in a third world country or an old
        Testament Muslim region, or a country where 3&4 year old girls are “circumcised” and married off at the age of ten. America has many problems, but we are light years ahead of 95% of other countries. If you have running water, a toilet, a roof that don’t leak, the ability to eat more than once every other day. And a Government that has ran pretty good for decades. You are living in a Paradise!!! When tens of thousands of immigrants attempt to make it to OUR country we must be doing pretty well. Not too many folks trying to sneak into Russia…even now…or Mexico..or anywhere in the middle East, or most European countries, have even a few fraction of Human rights we enjoy, So, don’t let the U.S.Flag Hit you in the ass on the way out.

    • Harry says:

      If our government is attacking it’s own people right here in the United States, then something is wrong, this is not a democracy, it’s a dictatorship. All everyone has to do is to band together and defend themselves, I mean everyone. There are more decent people here in the U.S.A then corrupt officials, think about it. Be smart, don’t let our government enslave us all. I would think this is worth dying for. In case you are not aware, it was our government who at first, made the Indians move further out, away from their control, then they wanted to expand the land, and look where they are now. They have no rights whats-so-ever, and why is that? well that’s because they didn’t get together and defend themselves as a group. So, come on people, get smart.

      • Jimmy says:

        That won’t happen. It’s fact, that folks like us that would rather dePend on our own skills and survive by simple means, are the minority. We can’t even prevent corruption on a local level, let alone try and influence the average joe to climb aboard and support our rights, libertys, and plain independance. So, this will be just one more freedom taken away and later forgotten. Like immenant domain, or heirloom farming,etc. it’s very simple! You rock the boat, they make an examPle out of you.period.

        • I lived in a town of 280 people on one square mile and you’d think it would be small enough to control corruption, favoritism, etc. But no. I thought, if we can’t do it here, how can we take on the state, fed or UN? That crazy little town is now charging the people — most of whom are poor — $200/month just for water.

        • Freedom Fighter says:

          This is the whole problem…people like us are the ones that pay for the big wigs to trample all over us. They do as they damn well please as long as we don’t rock their boat, and when we do, well, we suffer however they want to “punish” us! I for one am damn tired of it!

      • verna says:

        I am from the south and I do not want the goverment to own me. The people in the north are the ones that will starve when big daddy says so. As I told my yankee husband he will never starve because I can hunt,kill skin,cook meat and this also goes for my garden.I feel sorry for the demos that believe that present goverment is for the people better watch out we will have anothe hitler but the who will help us

        • Wil says:

          I love the Who…..I am glad they will help us. Love that band.

        • Just Sayin' says:

          What you think only people south of the Mason Dixon Line know how to hunt, skin, cook and raise a garden? Wow you are intelligent. Yep Geography has everything to do with intelligence and skill. LOL

        • travis says:

          ever been to Montana, Idaho, or even northern California, Verna? ever been anywhere north? Im guessing not. There are folks everywhere that are able, prepared, and skilled enough to survive, and thrive, self sufficiently. DUH.

        • Skin Cooner says:

          I kin go to the grocery store and get a lot of food…

      • anabata says:

        welll not that they didnt defend themselves but more so like they got the shit kicked out of them by guns and bombs then raped and robbed for what was rightfully theres. our country was founded on the fact that white man almost completely wiped out an entire culture of beautiful people. there guns were just to much to handle. even the bravest of worrior can be put down by a little bitch with a gun if u get my point.

        • D says:

          You’re wrong. Disease killed most of the American Indians before there were any hostilities. Afterward, they were coaxed into giving up much of their land before any violence took place. Bows were more effective in combat than smoothbore guns. People who think that the guns of that day were that overpowered need to do some reading. It was disease that destroyed them, not guns. Study early gunpowder combat, then speak about guns and “bombs.”

          • Original American says:

            Yes. The white man was kind enough to bring us small pox. That was a great help.

          • Northman says:

            N. Am Native Smallpox outbreaks happened before the bacterial and viral theory of disease existed. You assume giving blankets was malicious, not need-to-keep-warm sympathy/charity based behavior of Western-Civ Americans.

            Original American: There’s no need to expend effort to keep you down, when you crush yourself and drag down any possible in-group achievement. Thank you.

        • NubianChikk says:

          Your absolutley right!! fukk Whitey !!!

          • jal11180 says:

            How about you go fuck yourself instead? Seriously, your comments are shit…they are just plain shit. You need to get your stupid basic bitch ass in the damn kitchen, you need to be making some mother fucking sandwiches, and you also need to be having a cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP, both you AND Original American, because, contrary to what you historical revisionist trolls of Lucifer might think, you are equally as guilty of doing those deeds to other people and even among the people that inhabited both your native lands AND worldwide. You also EQUALLY contributed to being slave owners, slave drivers, slave masters, AND slave mistresses, not to mention that you ALSO spread diseases among yourselves LONG before the so-called “white man” appeared on the scene, so you can take your bigoted, hypocritical, immature, judgmental, and elitist attitudes and you can take them and shove them up sideways up your roody poo candy asses like you two take dildos, vibrators, and dicks in them in your lives!

        • Please Stopthis says:

          The Indians did pletny of raping and torturing and killing themsleves.
          Too damn bad, they lost.
          but now they have the casinos!!

      • Marc Stanley says:

        We have to band together and destroy England and all its Barristers and all its mercenary lawyers it has infiltrated against the Constitution for the United States of America.

        • Gman says:

          So very true, the Brits always complain about how our country is to free, they are just jealous.

      • Alex says:

        I’m only 21 almost 22 and i already see what you all r saying and i happen to agree alot but to be honest i saw all this happening when i was around 13 or 14 years old, who knows maybe when i was younger. I really saw it when i was in the army 3 to 5 months before i got out and it really gets a little frighting when u never know who is going to get hit next with these so called GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL stupid people. So always ask for a warrent and look up any and all laws even the lesser ones because you never know when the knowledge will come in handy.

      • Jesse Long says:

        It is the right of every American to live whatever lifestyle they want to and go with nature and avoid unnatural foods. This meat in the grocery store has stuff in it that is bad for your health and nobody has a right to force such a thing on anybody.

      • john jones says:

        We should all rise up and throw out the government and live free from dictatorship I live on this earth as I want not how they want me to I would love to have the big nob in a closed room and show him what a dictator is

      • Vincent the Conqueror says:

        It’d be better if we didn’t have a democratic system. Democracy is why we’re in this mess.

    • xiran says:

      You are right about it. It is getting worst; believe me, people who lived 30 or longer in countries ruled by dictators had more freedom than today’s people living in small towns or large cities. In some countries the water was free running all day long from the public and private fountains. I know , because as a child I saw my mother and my whole community having all the free water they needed. Then in middle seventies the guys from the “new government” came over to install water meters in every and single house; the beginning of government imposed “slavery” began. This is a true fact that happened in a small place in Western Europe. Back then everybody had their own house, it could be a very small house, but they had a ceiling; nowadays many people are living in rented rooms, even couples with small children, because the average wage is not enough to pay the rent of a whole apartment or house.

    • doug says:

      you need to do this out on an indian res where they will leave you in peace, understanding what you are doing is harmless and no problem..

      Many places you can do this but never own the land, just occupy it as long as you need..

      • anabata says:

        please if anyone knows of places were u can live free with some other peaceful people let me know. i cant stand this way of life, i feel enslaved and dream of freedom every second of the day. to my knowledge its against the “laws” to live free although i can hunt, trap, track, plant, and build. without help there isnt free land to do so as far as i know. im so sick of living in fear of when some junkie or something decides to kick in my door and kill me for dope or what have you. in my eyes, people are not ment to live like this, we have all been programed to serve in the destruction of our beautiful planet and it sickens me. when i look at most all day to day people and in there eyes all i see is does my ass look good in these jeans or is my car better than your ect….am i hungry, warm, happy is all u need to worry about. no wonder shrinks live so well, the government makes us all insane with trivial this were programed to think we need. for the love of life what the fuck is goin on in this world?

        • Nan says:

          Standing ovation! Well said, anabata.

        • debbie says:

          You are so right.

        • tracie says:

          I agree, Well said. If you dont mind surviving in a cold climate Alaska has alot of land that is not that expensive. My property is off grid as far as water and electric but close to a road, a fresh water supply from the mountain and an electric pole if I decide I want electric. Its not mandatory as of yet. Many areas of Alaska will not accept government help of any kind.

      • debbie says:

        Good to know.

    • Matt says:

      If we remain resolute that we do not need a government to dominate us… they become more overbearing and destroy themselves because they eventually make the majority (the people) mad.. History teaches us this too.. The more overbearing and power hungry; the closer to any particular governmental body’s demise. The timeline is the only uncertainty… The pages of history tell us that can be decades, hundreds of years, or even thousand.. The pages of history prove that the collapse always comes and for a period of time afterward; the people have choices once again…, some wise and some unwise…
      When a governmental entity (such as america) dumbs you down until it begins to deem it knows best, that is when you have a problem. When all so called “decisions” are coerced, regulated heavily, or optionless but to an end that stays within a systematic approach as to change nothing that matters really.. that is when your duty as a human being is to overthrown your government due to the people’s overwhelming power through population, we always prevail over any system of slavery.
      Our founding fathers did and so shall all of the people. The struggles are real, painful, and are hard; but are always won:)

      • Matt says:

        When a light is shined upon a bed-bugs retreat; it runs… The way to beat these power hungry naifs is to return fear for fear. When the robot enforcers and all of their leaders have a real threat outside of their jobs; they begin to become preoccupied and think differently.
        This is a time tested method of fighting fire with fire! If you must be paranoid all the time and watch out for our own personal property, rights and privacy… you must return the favor. you must begin to make these people uncomfortable in their own personal “comfort zones”, so to speak, one by one.. This is the way of human psychology and domination!

        • Matt says:

          Pick them out.. Latch on like a tick… Follow the chain.. Step outside of their box of a system! (Remember; one by one-pick them out… one by one wake up your brothers and sisters at the same time… There are never any rules!)
          You see, the illusion is… you have to fight them outside of their systems! You cannot win with their “guidelines”.

      • Original American says:

        I don’t think you will have to wait a thousand years. Your Gov has is clearly getting very worried……for example…..they just made Marijuana legal for recreational us in Colorado and Washington…..yes, you can get high in your nations capital. The are afraid so they want the angry 20 to 40 year old high and happy rather than frustrated and organizing!! Get guns, keep 100% sober at all times!!! Without your health and your mind you will be lost.

        Good luck…..proud Navajo

        • Phil says:

          Washington state..not to D.C.


          • jaibella says:

            One of the first things we need to do is quit calling each other “dummies” and stupid and all those unneccesary putdowns. We’re all in the same boat. Some have been here longer than others but we need the new ones, even if they say or ask dumb questions, at least they are here and want to learn and are awakening to what is really going on. We should nurture them and help them not insult them.

          • rabbit says:

            Wrong dc has decriminalized marijuana. Do some reading before commenting.

          • Do you know says:

            THATS THE PROBLEM D.C.
            You people don’t know D.C makes the laws but those laws only exist in D.C. The Constitution Of the United States Ws the Constition For The United States read about the act of 1871

    • Zephirus says:

      Thomas Jefferson said the government should fear the people instead of the people fearing the government. Knowledge of American history is an essential part of being a good citizen or a good government official. Too many people are completely ignorant when it comes to history these days…

      • Aussie Mick says:

        Wow. I am a little puzzled as to why there is so much animosity between bloggers on this page. Where is it stemming from? How has the American calture come to this? Surely one persons viewpoint is as valid as another’s as long as that person is not harming anyone. Imagine if we could nurture one another.

        • Rob Greene says:

          I agree with Aussie Mick!!

        • kymykat says:

          that sounds so great. we all need kindness don’t we. yeah the name calling and put downs aren’t needed. We all ARE in the SAME BOAT. we all have things to learn but also each has unique things our own to share with everyone. one day the people are going to wake up to a computer clitch that wipes out everyones cash. that day is coming

    • Dale says:

      People we need a voter revolution. We need a return freedom.

      If you want freedom and want to take your government out of the hands of the banks, large corporations, and unions you must stop voting for the two parties that are owned by those same people. If you vote for a democrat or republican you are voting for the same people that control both parties. You are being given a false choice. If you want your vote to count you must vote for a third party candidate not controlled by those people.

    • Enter your name... says:

      I think the best thing for the middle and low-class to do is to take up plenty of arms. Too scared to fight, then just stop baring children. Stop your DNA dead in its tracks and never return (reincarnate) to this planet. That way you also will never put any would be future family members in the harms way that you know is coming. Caucasoid are ruthless, uncaring creatures from another dead planet and are here to exterminate all people of color and any undesirable European, while using the best of their destructive technologies against us. They just want to gut the planet and you of all its resources for themselves and move on to the next one.

      • debbie says:

        You got it. Stop reproducing. Your birth certificate has a number on it which makes the kid the property of the government work force. Follow L.A.H. on Twitter. Law Abiding Human. There is nothing on this destroyed planet that I want. I’m in revolt mode now. I don’t worry about stuff I have been brainwashed to believe in the past. Just that alone has given me more peace of mind.

      • norma says:

        You are wrong, not all Caucasian / white people are bad, there are good and bad in every race, don’t judge anyone because of color or race, just judge each person by their actions, everyone is different, you are alienating people that would help you because of your hatred or frustration. God bless you and touch your heart and mind with peace and whatever your problems may be help you to find a solution that will greatly benefit you.

        • kymykat says:

          im white and I resent your evil hating comments about me because you dont know me. I would never look at your skin color and hate you or harm you. i would feed your children if hungry. its people like you who make things so ugly for the rest of us.

    • Pat says:

      Have you looked into dehydrating all your foods? I have enough fruit, veggies, jerky, dry goods dehydrated and vacumm sealed to last a family of four for ten years. Dehydrating shrinks down the space needed and vacumm sealing extends the shelf life at least ten years depending on the product. For example I took 40 lbs of corn from my garden off the cob after blanching, dehydrated and vacumm sealed in 10 one quart jars. Imagine four pounds of corn in a quart jar. I also use vacumm sealed bags to store many lbs of food. From mushrooms to pineapple to tomatoes, to potatos, to squash, to tofu, to refried beans… you name it, I have it stored for the future of my family

      • debbie says:

        So admirable. I love to know there are real humans out there like you.

    • Thomas says:

      I totally agree.
      It is becoming more evident.
      Money has never been the answer, it has always been the cause of the problem. A tool to control our lives and
      Rob us of our freedoms.
      Used to keep the ruling class in power.Land should be free.resources should be free.The only contribution to our society should be a honest days work.To produce and provide what we all depend on for our survival and to make our live better. share it equally. Not allowing someone have control over it. It is better to work with your fellowman than it is to work for him.Treating each other with equal respect. not as ruler and server peasant.

    • robert tubear says:

      they hollar green house gasses harms the environment . but when we do something good to help reduce it they go ape . a bunch of greedy liars and theives

    • S.Hammer says:

      Ablesolutions, wrong we are without a doubt, always controlled by the government, local regulations, county regulations, ordinances, etc….and if they don’t have one, they will make one up. I have some very good true examples, My husbands friend went through a divorce, of course, California State law allowed her to keep the house, the car, the kids, even though he paid for them, and a piece of land,(in the high desert of CA.) He got to keep the motor-home, well, he lived there with solar panels, grew his food dug his own well, etc. local authorities had to find a way…that he must have utilities installed if he wishes to occupy his own is totally paid for, taxes are up to date, or he must leave his own land. This man is ill, on oxygen, diabetic, It is horrible .
      The government finds whatever excuse to get their own way,local or otherwise, bend over a little further, huh, more to this injustice. But I will leave it at that.

      S. Hammer

      • Steve T says:

        I bought land in high desert for that very reason, I’m 55 and see what is coming and want to live with all I have which is not much. I can’t afford well so wanted to bring in water and live in small built cabin. Can you tell me where in high desert in California? I i have a 40 ac parcel and two one acre parcels. I pay 200.00 a month total so I can afford it. But it may be in one room cabin solar, no water, remote, thank you

    • Enter your name... says:

      If we allow it to happen there, it will be happening to all of us. Our forefathers carved this nation out of the woods, and OFF the damned grid. Why are we now better?

    • mark says:

      Don’t blame the government it is the corporations that are the ones that steel your property and take what they want it is the corporations that want you to depend on them i am sick of you people blaming the government for what the corporations do .

      • JW says:

        Mark I agree with you on the corporation!
        And as far as currency goes we have to have currency for the scum of the inner-city will filter out into the suburban and into the farmlands taking from simple people who are trying to live a simple life. And as far as living off grid there has been people in this country for years living off grid just go look at your Amish communities. A lot of these people that are living off grid are not getting in trouble for living off grid but they are getting in trouble for other things and blaming it on and off grid living.

    • Andy says:

      Join Rainbow family @ Thank you.

    • says:

      I’d like to know about living off the grid and using a barter system instead of money. I was raised on a ranch and I moved to town and things didn’t go like I planned.

    • Howard says:

      This has nothing to do with spreading the wealth, it is concerned with stealing wealth from others and concentrating it into the hands of a few corporate and/or government thugs.

    • Canaan priceEnter your name... says:

      Very true people need to wake up and make a stand for their self freedom

    • Saeleveigh says:

      I have always dreamed of living off the grid. It takes work, ingenuity and old fashion know how. Just think if they were to out law off grid living, can you imagine all the welfare, SNAPS, ETC programs would go broke. Government can’t stand not being in control of everything. I wish I could find somewhere to live off the grid.

  2. kloathis says:

    Land of the free and home of the brave my ASS. Economic slavery is at hand, you will all be serfs to corporations and their puppet government. It will be a crime to be poor, it will be a crime to live off of your own land without any corporate “sponsorship”. YOU ARE NOW A NUMBER IN THEIR LEDGERS!!
    This whole building code thing has gotten a way out of hand and you can blame it on the civil court system allowing ridiculous litigation because some jerk bought a home that wasn’t up to “code” and wanted something for nothing when he could have paid for a pre-purchase inspection and went and found a different house. WHY IN THE WORLD DO I NEED A PERMIT TO PULL AND REPLACE WOODEN DECORATIVE TRIM ALONG MY WALLS!?!?!?! Or a bedroom door that the hinges have gotten a little beat up and the rest of the jam is a little shoddy. I mean really, the replacement opens and closes but no they want their $45 permit fee to replace a $60 door and if you get caught doing it without the permit you have to pay the permit fee and a fine. Pretty soon in order to shop at HOME DEPOT you will need to show your permit at the door before you are allowed to buy anything. Or even better, locally you already have to buy a permit from the city to sell your house and in order to get the permit you have to have the home inspected and have to bring it up to code before they will issue you a sale permit which on average runs about $6000 to fix all the violations with work that must be done by licensed contractors. THIS ARTICLE ABOUT THESE FOLKS’ PLIGHT INFURIATES ME TO THE CORE OF MY BEING!!!

  3. Looks like they’ve got him over a barrel. If only he had a few million to spare on top notch bulldog lawyers.

    • jim marcum says:

      or afford a top notch lawyer.

      • Jessica says:

        Or a really big privacy fence.

        • jon says:

          why they would just come in and tear the fence down and say they are terrorists.

  4. jason says:


    Think you might be mistaken. There isn’t requirement for permitting on repair work. Ask your building department to provide you with the code citation or municipal ordinance showing that. They must provide you with the citation, that’s law everywhere I know, although not necessarily with a copy of it- you can look it up on your own. Call a local licensed architect and ask them to explain it to you if you are getting mismatched/confusing info. A decent architect will gladly talk to you for 5 minutes over the phone without needing some kind of fee.

    While permitting fees and indeed most of ‘what’ requires a certain permit can be altered and changed from State to State and municipality to municipality, one thing is universal -or so I think and could be wrong in a few isolated/unique cases- permits are only required when there is a matter of life safety or technical prowess. Permitting is not a tax, it is a service that is designed to protect the public and those businesses taking on construction tasks.

    For example, doing work on your domestic incoming water line could be bad if you don’t know what you are doing. You may inadvertently set it up so that water will backflow into the main and contaminate the entire system from your point of entry down. Might not sound like a big concern, but there have been plenty of cases of septic water leaking out to water supplies. Pretty unsafe risk to the public, so you’ll need to get a permit for that. It’s a hard case to prove concern of safety or other reason for trim (new or replacing). Same with doors and any other essentially cosmetic work. Research the International Code Council who are the people that put together the codes the majority of States adopt. Your State probably has some implementation of the 2009 or 2006 versions.

    Also, not sure what State you are in, but my understanding is that building departments are not paid for by tax dollars. They only have as much money as they generate in fees to pay salaries, etc. This is most likely the motivation behind the inspector demanding permits for work ordinarily not requiring it. Contact your State Department of Consumer Affairs, which at least in States I know about, handle the oversight of local building departments. You can ask them if your construction official can do that and if not file a complaint in writing, then demand a refund.

    Best of luck, for I believe you have been wronged.

    • joe tomicki says:

      just make your home power not grid compatable. if everything in the house runs of 12volt. no problem

    • butch says:

      The pioneers did okay without permits!

    • Linda says:

      Our county told us that because my father owned the land 22 acres and i owned the mobile home if my father so much as changed the door knob on my trailer there would be a 5 thousand dollar fine and a 250.00 dollar a day fine until a licensed contractor corrected the work.We live in fl.and it has never been legal to live on your land in anything except a mobile home or site built house,no r.v.`s or campers.i feel as if i am chocking to death.Also there may be an insurance scam going on.Insurance company`s cancel your home owners ins. for small reasons so you will lose your mortgage and if you can`t pay off your mortgage then you lose your home.Farm Bureau canceled my parents because they have dogs.Very well fenced house dogs.and today my sisters was canceled because they said they have to many credit cards even though they have nothing on them except a refrigerator at Lowes.You can`t get insurance unless you have credit and if you use the credit you get your homeowners ins.canceled !

  5. jason says:

    Oh one other thing municipalities have been doing to increase revenues, require a construction official inspection at the sale of a house. The reasons for that are to check for any work that wasn’t permitted and not just collect the building department fee that would have been, but to reflect the improvements at the tax assessors office. Redo your bathroom and the tax assessor wants to know about it. They get updates from the building department.

  6. Tim Harp says:

    Glad I live in Kentucky. My house met the code in 1901 when it was built. All the extra sounds to me that they want to fill the coffers with more of the tax payers money. The city of Lexington, Kentucky is as bad. My uncle needed a permit to add a roof onto a garage that had the walls already up, just needed a roof on it and added a concrete floor. After 3 inspections and several permits later he hired a lawyer and got back alot of his money. Sad day for Americans.

  7. Lisa says:

    Thank you thank you thank you Rob for posting this! I would encourage anyone who finds this disgusting to email the green blog editor at the NY Times and ask him to get involved as well. The address is as follows: Regardless of what you think of the entity that is the NY Times, when they write about something then we can get the right people onto the hot seat and get this kind of thing stopped cold. This is ridiculous, and it is completely disgusting…we CAN get it stopped if enough people spread this across the Internet, folks. Please do your part and email this to anyone and everyone. Thanks again for passing it on, Rob.

  8. dean carter says:

    Looks like the days of “we the people” are over and its now “we the government”. in which case this is unconstitutional, and the constitutions stands for nothing. having said that……sounds to me like we are now under a “dictatorship”…….good luck “citisins…of these united states LAND OF THE FREE” kind of makes me feel illegal aliens have more rights…..

    • livingrey says:

      Maybe we need to stop just talking about it, and get out there and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!
      We can’t keep putting up with this bs from the government! They need to get the message. This is just getting worse!

      • Help the people says:

        OK, OK, OK. I hear you, am with you and keep saying the same thing. What is your objective and how do we meet the goal. People are so plugged in and turned on they can not see or differentiate the truth from a lie. So how do you propose to get moving when you have no momentum?

        • Jessica says:

          I say this all the time. No one listens. What do we need to do? Every one says vote, vote, vote them out but I’m sick of voting and not having my vote count for anything or make a difference. I think the problem is too many people willing to give up freedom for a hand out from the government. So what do the ones like me and you guys do? I need answers.

          • John says:

            ” You say you want a revolution? ” John Lennon. The libeltards hate it when I quote one of their own.

          • jerommel says:

            @ John :
            every revolution needs finance.
            So it’s always the big money that deals the cards…
            Thank God I believe the Truth shall set us free, ‘cuz I don’t see anything else setting us free.

          • Wil says:

            Rommel ?

          • anonymous says:

            Revolution won’t work – too many pussies. Need to tear it all down and start from scratch. Transitional anarchy.

  9. c of chicago says:

    You are not going to be serfs of the corporations. This has nothing to do with corporations but rather the long arm of the government. It’s called statism and you are obviously very uneducated about what that means. If you need more help, start listening or reading some Mark Levin. He is an expert on constitutional matters.

    • Help the people says:

      This is not about the constitution anymore. Those principals are gone forever. It is now about survival once the Government is shut down and gone. You like everyone else will be left to your own devices to manage to stay underground long enough so you are not caught up in the ensuing maylay. We are at risk right now for even mentioning this. Getting off the grid means loosing touch with every communication device you can be tied to. You are tracked by micro chip implanted in your tires. The list of things used to track you is incredible, including that stupid cell phone you can not put down. Now they have medical screeings they just came out with to tell you of conditions you may have for a low cost, don’t go for it. You are giving more information away. If you are healthy do your best to stay that way. Turn off the lights and say good night.

    • Jackson says:

      Maybe we need a massive solar storm to chill the air for a few decades, let the gubmint submit to the will of the people.

      • anabata says:

        right, or a zombie outbrake or something lol.

  10. nate says:

    The question people is really: Are you going to do anything about it? Sure we can all wax intellectual about all of these horrid things happening to us, but why doesn’t anyone actually stand up and do something about it?

    My land lord can’t even walk onto the property I own without notice, and even then I have to be around for that to happen. You know why? I changed the damn locks on everything myself. Simple step, but it allows me to grow food as I wish and do what I want within the warehouse I live in.

    As for the greater populace, I’m still up in the air on how I’m gonna make my line in the sand. I’m trying to do it through the proper channels but we’ll see how that works out.

    • Lela says:

      What can we do? I want to do something! Im sick of their “divide and conquer” lets come together! We are so much stronger in number and there are so many of us on the same page just on this website alone. I feel we need to find a way to come together before our freedom to communicate with each other is taken out of the equation as well. Instead of sharing our annoyance and opinions, lets talk action! What are we going to do? This s%*t has gotten completely out of hand and its only getting worse.

      • multi-anonymous187 says:

        I was so happy to find this page. I want to thank every last one of you for renewing my faith in humanity. I was getting really depressed thinking i would never find anyone like you all who understands what needs to be done. We need to build our own network for communicating with each other online and off. We get organized with plans that give a detailed layout of the country. So we can come together from anywhere and fight as one unit. We out number them so we come up with a strategy everyone agrees with. The internet will not be around forever, do this now. Revelutions are bloody but this something worth dying for. When we start with non-compliance, they will make examples of us, to control the sheep with. At this time we make examples of them

        • multi-anonymous187 says:

          sorry about that I accidentally pressed the wrong button on my tablet, I hate those stylus things. But anyway I was going to say we fight fire with fire. For example non-compliance works if no one continues to use ID, birth certificates didn’t exist before 1933. No more of our children being born with these things making them aligned with the country of their birth and property of it’s government. We can do this people, just start sharing info, like on your local cops so we know what we are dealing with. Think the “art of war” and military strategy. This is a war and we can win. Only trust those who show signs of thinking for themselves like the people on this, it does matter if you agree with everything they say at this time. We will reach a common ground latter on what is the best approach. We just don’t want any sheep sneaking their way in with minds still dependent on big brother. I’m all over the internet so look for me, take care of your selves all of you. Put aside petty differences to crush the common foe. I love you all.

        • pharoah1978 says:

          I completely agtee with you guys point of view and philosophy. I usually find myself thinking much the same thing and I have many usefull skills yet have found that at 35 I still see no way to do anything about it. where can we all get together and start utilizing each others skills for the betterment of everyone ? please let me know.

    • Ed says:

      After reading this entire post, I am in full agreement. I used to be a contractor in Florida and the code laws have become so ridiculous that its just not worth it anymore, so I moved and changed careers. But if anyone wants advise on something to DO about it.. first thing would be get out and vote for Ron Paul as president. He will stop this bs quickly.. as well as all the other totalitarian bs we are forced to live under.. Stay strong and united friends..

      • Jia says:

        Seeking another survivalist interested in
        treking the Appalachian trail.

        • Tim Farmer says:

          I’m in SE TN and want to implement survival tactics and ideas.


        • tears says:

          i live here in the smokies and i was thinking the same thing.

    • Help the people says:

      There are no “proper channels” in times of catastrophy. It will be every man, woman and child for himself. You got the picture and now you know the rest of the story. There ain’t a damn thing you can do about it except for keep your eye on the sky and watch out for yourself. Safe travels and keep your wits about you, you are going to need them.

    • Bob Lee says:

      Unfortunately, the constitution gives no protection to citizens of the United States, or people who say they’re residents, drivers, passengers, or employed. These latter are words of art, with trick legal meanings that admit to your slavery. It’s better to be a U.S. National/State citizen. Famguard dot org has more info, and some remedies. I have no connection to them and there are many other sources.

    • anabata says:

      i have not spent or earned a single dollar in over 2 years, thats what im doing. 1 result of that so far has been, my family members have been acussed of hiding my death! no joke. i had to appear in court to explain why im not a functioning member or tax payer. it was also implied i my be a terrorist!!!!! im a 29yr old from ct born and raised! never been in trouble and never drew atention. but i believe my social security or “slave number” as i call it has led them to me and now they want others to hate on me to ether make me conform or die is how i feel and just how it seems!

      • Sasha Densikoff says:

        I find your story extremely interesting…although worrying.

        So…if you “drop off the grid”, have no need of their money or their provided electricity, water, etc, and just basically mind your own buisness and live your life….then they seem to think you’re a threat? Yeah, I can see that… *looks confused*

        Dig deeper, friend. Don’t let them get to you. Teach others how to live like you do and spread what you just posted here as far as you can.
        It’s a simple yet important message!

  11. MIchael Church says:

    Until Americans stop relying on government courts to settle disputes between citizens and government its self, this type of abuse will continue. The only thing to stop this problem that is happening nation wide is to start armed rebellion. The government has way too much incredible power over the people. To live in a congested area and have codes and laws and regulations to cover safety, and health issues is one thing..but to live on your own property in the least populated part of a county away from water sheds highways and other things that effect public safety and health is another. And these property owners have the right to live on their own property that they pay for and pay county taxes on without government interference.

  12. HMH says:

    “Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit, 1992.

    • John says:


      • Wil says:

        OMG…..and more importantly…WTF!

  13. Charlie says:

    that is some seriously messed up stuff. its like a childhood nightmare, having everything taken from you with no control. our government is corrupt, and will eventually turn into an altered version of communism. we all work for the good of the already rich. some bs if you ask me.

  14. Beca says:

    Interesting that an “off grid” website “requires” any comment to have a name and email address.
    In any event, I wonder if the Center for Constitutional Rights and the ACLU should get involved in these cases? The reality is that it’s really not the “codes” that the country is going after, it’s getting rid of anybody that does not conform with their idea of what everybody should look like. It’s a dangerous precedent, when a county government forces it’s residents to in essence, become android like in order to be allowed to live on their own property! Individuality is being completely eliminated! What might be next, forcing us to wear the same uniforms?

    I live in a small area of a city (on the very edge of a city) that was off the grid up until about 12 years ago. Every house here was hand built by the original owners, and many people who still live here are the decendants of the original owners. Sure, some of the houses are pretty funky looking, and some don’t even look like they could fit a bed in it–but that’s the beauty of this neighborhood–it’s uniqueness! I really hate the neighborhoods where every single house looks exaclty the same–it’s creepy.
    I know that if the city would ever decide to check all the codes of the houses here, there would be tons of code violations–but one thing is certain. Everybody here takes great pride and care of their homes and property, and there has never been one instance where someone’s home collapsed on them, or any other dangerous incident related to “safety codes”. These houses were not put together with bubble gum, they are solid structures, despite their uniqueness.
    I certainly hope the people featured in this film can get the legal help they need to be able to keep their homes and their land!
    It seems that the only ones “free” in this country are the mega corporations!

    • Help the people says:

      Here you go. You are exactly right on one point. You will be forced, coerced and exiled if you do not “wear the same uniform”. You have heard this before and here it is, on the brink of madness ready to unfold right before your very eyes. Get ready, stay focused on what YOU need to do, do it and be quiet for a very long time. We have been warned and it is time to heed this warning.

      • anabata says:

        the uniforms are already in affect! i mean come on,i worked for a big electronic manufacturer for about 3years and i was great at my job. i started at the bottom and they realized i could handle more so they showed me many new things in that time. the last 6months i was there i became a trainer to teach others on new technologies and developments. then the build came under new managment. now before i say more know that im not for lack of better word, nerdy lookin. wierd hair big holes in the ears, tattoos and such right. this new boss without second though fires me and anyone that didnt look like they belonged in a lab, not for there lack of skill. i train my blood brother to do what he does now and i felt just before i got let go that no he was not up to par but hey he looks “nerdy” sooo…. so yes uniforms are in affect!

  15. You would think broke ass California would be happy people want to live there.
    All the gang warfare and the cops are holding moms at gunpoint as they ransack their homes. Macho.

    The one thing we need to remember is the people still outnumber the government a few million to one. A national civil disobedience day is in order for a warm up.

    • Tammy says:

      Count me in. Set a date. Lets do it. The “rat race” is about to completely consume me. I’m ready to leave it behind for clean, simple, sustainable living and am tired of everyone who says it can’t be done. That includes the government, medical establishment, tax collecting entities, credit agencies who say if you aren’t in debt, you have no “credit.” I want no part of any of it.

      • Christian says:

        I like you Tammy. I’m single too. / Christian in Monterey.

      • anabata says:

        i more than second all of that :) the problem is finding land to live free on it seems to me.

    • thetruthshed says:

      to right the people are more. take your arms and storm them.

  16. Mike Ratliff says:

    I stumbled upon this site from a news story and thought I might have info that could help these people. I searched this website for the term “Federal Land Patent” and noticed no-one had mentioned it here before.
    There is a program that will allow a homeowner turn one government agency onto another. This program is called the “Federal Land Patent” and it allows an individual to make a claim upon a section of land that is impervious to all government agencies, Local, State and Federal.
    Here is a story of a old friend of mine:
    He lives in a sub-community of Boise Idaho, he owned 5 acres of river front property, that was until the city wanted to build a “Green Belt” paved hiking/biking trail along the river, right between his house and the waters edge.
    So, as required the law, they posted all the notice’s and placed all the advertising to the meetings, to inform all land owners along the path of their intent.
    They were offering to pay land owners about 10 cents on the dollar of what property values were fetching on the private market at that time.
    Any owner that stood in their way, was subjected to “Condemnation” proceedings, where the government would just take what they wanted anyway.
    Instead of objecting to the demands like all of his neighbors, my friend went to the BLM and filed a Federal Land Patent with the legal description of his property. He spent around $100 to process and file this document. Then, when he refused to sign over the land the city wanted, they started the condemnation of his land, that’s when the fun started, the city discovered that the Federal Land Patent had stopped their proceedings cold. So, they sued him personally, to get him to release the patent.
    So, they showed up in court, the city representative and a couple big-shot lawyers, against him alone.
    So, he did not back down, even faced with a judge trying to tell him he MUST comply. He instructed the court of his rights (they hate that) and that he would not release the Patent, the judge eventually backed off the heavy handed stance, and resorted to begging him to resolve the issue. The judge finally admitted, that the city could fight for 20 to 30 years and maybe after that time, they might be able to take the land by force, but that that would not be in the best interest of the community.
    My friend had fenced across his land all the way to the waters edge, and no one was allowed to cross. and by that time, they had taken all the other land and started to grade their path, so it looked real funny that his section was still undeveloped.
    So, as the judge had begged, he worked with the city, he demanded 150% market price, he shrunk down the footage they wanted for easements, which required a retaining wall to be built, which he demanded they hire him to build at a hefty price and a few other conditions. They met back in front of the judge, where the judge advised the city “you should take this offer immediately, before he changes his mind”
    My friends neighbors were a bit pissed off, that he fought them, he got what he wanted and they got screwed by taking what they offered.
    So, any of these people wanting to protect their land should have a Land Patent on it, Him and I were told by “non-lawyer” Constitutional legal researchers that with a “Land Patent” on the land, even if you quit paying taxes on it, it cannot be taken from the individual. A Land Patent really messes up the property title, and they couldn’t sell it off if they wanted too.
    Check into it here>
    Mike in Boise

    • Kerry in Texs says:

      Mike in Boise brings up a great point with his “Federal Land Patent.” Works in Idaho! But, as with any great idea, there’s a downside. It probably will no work in Texas, or in most states east of the Mississippi.

      Why? A Federal Land Patent can be gotten only where there is federal land. The Bureau of Land Management operates primarily in the West, because that’s where the majority of the “federally-owned” land is. That “federally-owned” land, by the way, does not include National Forests, National Parks, National Wild and Scenic Rivers, National Wildlife Refuges, Indian Reservations, etc.

      I am writing from Texas. Texas is no a “public land” state. When Texas joined the Union, all the great Texas heroes divided the lands in Texas among themselves. These lands became “private land,” not “public land.” As a result, just about the only “federally-owned land” in Texas sits under U.S. Post Offices, etc. The Bureau of Land Management doesn’t operate in Texas, because there are no public lands to manage here. And as a result, I don’t think anyone could get a “Federal Land Patent” here.

      Looking East, there just isn’t much public land east of the Mississippi. The original 13 colonies were primarily land grants from the King of England, which is about as private as private land can get. The problem with getting a “Federal Land Patent” is that the land under “your” property must have been federal land. ‘Tain’t so back East, or in Texas. “Patent,” by the way, is BLMese for “deed.”

      If you’d like to figure out where BLM lands are in the West, just look where the population ISN’T. Or you could get a map from BLM for your Western state off the Internet.

      There’s a possibility that what I just wrote is wrong — this whole post, possibly! But it was correct a couple decades ago, and I think it is still.

      Heck, if there were federal lands in Texas, I wouldn’t have to buy a hunting lease from a local farmer!

      • Melanie says:

        Here’s a piece I found that might be of interest for those looking into this topic….. I know it peaked mine and is a very serious consideration :) Hope it helps! Many blessings from TN :)

  17. bryan mcfadden says:

    My first thought is why & how were these laws passed. Money going from the companies who profit from “The grid” to government officials campaign funds. We have let our Government be bought away from us, and We The People get nothing in return.

  18. Melissa says:

    So its better to make these people homeless & force them to go on welfare? As a taxpayer I don’t feel that is economically viable. Isn’t what the government doing considered racketeering. We do not live in a free country anymore… unless your an illegal collecting government assistance.

  19. clancy says:

    No problem here. Very soon, we will all be ‘living off the grid’ as there will be no grid.

  20. giles farmer says:

    yes to the legal approach, people fought too hard in past centuries for their rights lets not give up that strength our greatest protection. READ THE GODDAMN CODE.

  21. Maggie Spruill says:

    Goodness this is fast. Agenda 21 of the giant 2,500 page Obama Health Care Bill, passed by Congress so then we can see what is in it! Surprise, Agenda 21 is buried in there. It coincides with a UN ruling on Rural land that can be confiscated. We ain’t seen anything yet! Heartsick

  22. Sam says:

    why do i get a feeling that this is somehow tied right into Agenda 21? its either that or back room deals to make the rich richer.

    where i live in the Bay Area, you cant do a thing to your home or property without pulling a permit. the county wants a permit for everything and will red flag you for the smallest infraction. this is how they make their money and they want more and more.

  23. If born in a hospital, you are only free for a few hours at best. Then the parents are threatened by “authorities” if they do not get a debt certificate for their child they go to jail and the baby gets sold on the human slave market by the CPS and their funder Dyncorp. Freedom is inside you, but outside the rabbit hole it’s just an illusion.

    • Wil says:


  24. Jetgraphics says:

    Welcome to the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of California, where that which is not mandatory, or forbidden, requires a license.
    Of course, since 1935, no enumerated American has the legal standing to absolutely own land as private property, it is reasonable that “Nuisance Abatement” be used to clear land of its current holders.
    Go read law. It should be available at any county courthouse law library.

    • Bob Lee says:

      Wow! You have it really great. Here everything is both mandatory and forbidden, with or with out the required license.

  25. Christina says:

    I was forced to obtain electricity. I am in my early adulthood years. I do not own land at this point in my life. I rent. It is against county regulations in Oak Ridge, TN. to rent a dwelling to a tenant without them first obtaining electricity. I do not wish to have electricity in my home. I am a converted anabaptist, ( mennonite ) and this violates my religion, I do not want these ties to the world. I am not totally against the use of electricity, I do own a generator, and a few items that run on electricity. I just don’t want the house to be hooked up to it, and become a slave to it, and the world again.

    • WTF says:

      But your “religion”lets you be online making yourself sound like a retard? Do us all a favor and STFU!

      • Sharon Bailey says:

        Why would you be so mean to this person who does not want electricity. This person is entitled to speak their mind and live the way they want. And to worship as they please. Why does their contribution intimidate you?

        • Sasha Densikoff says:

          Because WTF is a sheep like all the rest, and is intimidated by someone else that might think differently to them. Their thoughts and their resultant hate on this random person who simply wants to not have hooked up electricity (which is fair enough and doesn’t affect anyone else at all) is a result of the mind control the government has put in place.
          Hate everything that is different!
          We have been brainwashed to turn on each other! Lets turn that around and view the differences of others as a fascinating thing, and an opportunity to learn about it, rather than laugh at it.

  26. dyarb says:

    If this is their land and they bought it free and clear then why don’t they sell it to the county association. I haven’t seen where they were offered any money for their property. Why are they trying to run these people off their own land. I would offer to sell them the land for a really large amount of money. If they don’t want to buy it, then they should leave the land owners alone.

  27. frank sherman says:

    we owned some lots on lake granbury for several years,we used them for vacations, and would park our motorhome there for three or four weeks a year. later we put a large camper trailer on the property,hooked up to public water and electric.after hurricane ike washed our town away on bolivar penn. we moved a mobile home onto the property to live here full time.thats when the BS started.we needed a septic system.we called a company that does this and got a permit.they dug a test hole and said we could have a regular septic tank and drain feild for about thirty five hundred.when thet started to install the system they said there was to much rock and we needed a green system. the price went up to fourty five hundred. when we tried to get a permit the county said we needed an arobic the price was sixty five hundred.after their inspector came and looked at the plans they decided we needed another fifty feet of land for the sprinklers so we had to buy another lot for three thousand.the price went from thirty five hundred to ninety five hundred. just to take a dump!! we need a few more regulations, say maybe for the amount of air we breath (take short breaths they are cheaper)now i want to install solar panels but i will have to put up a privacy fence so they wont offend the neighbors.and guess what? i need a permit for that to.

  28. I’ve always looked at the building permit process as the government’s way of keeping any eye on their property, that you rent from them. No, you don’t own your property, unless you have gone through the Land Patent process described above.

    If you rent, you must continue to pay rent, or you will be removed from your property. If you are purchasing your home, you must continue to pay the mortgage payment, or you will be removed from your property.

    But once you have paid off your mortgage, you must continue to pay rent, (property taxes), to the true owner of your home, or you will be removed from your home. Now, the amount of the rent is always determined by the value of the property, so if you want to make improvements on the government’s property, of course they want to be involved, to make sure that the improvement is one that they approve of.

    Once you pay them for their approval of your plan to improve their property, then they come and inspect the improvement, and add it’s value to the value they have listed for that particular piece of their property. Now their property is more valuable, due to your making improvements, and they can raise the rent to reflect the increased value.

    And you thought this was a free country. Don’t forget to pay the rent on your vehicle, either. Keep voting for Republicrats, it’ll only get worse.

  29. HH says:

    A lot of my neighbors are refugees from California and are just that. Left with what they could from an over regulated system and came here to Missouri where in the county you can do pretty much whatever you want without permits. I wired my own house… the extent of code? The power company asked me to make sure I had a ground rod on my end. The hobbit lady down the road? Lives in a prefab garden shed lovingly called the hobbit house. Other neighbors store water they get from the creek or when its dry buy it from me. There are a few old timers living in cabins you could only access by horseback that never have had running power or water and.. they like it that way.

    Its not zoning. Its not code enforcement. I doubt it is even because they stand to make money off the land. They fear you. They fear anyone who can stand on their own and tell mother government “I do not need you” They know if a mixed bag of “desert rats” can do it others will go.. “Hey we do not need the government either”

    You have the right idea. I work in communications. I know how fragile the system is. I ask people “what will you do when you wake up and flip the light switch and the light does not come on? When there is static on the radio? When your cell phone says no signal? The gas station is out of gas? The grocery store is closed? Then what? The infrastructures set up to bring us these resources are more fragile than people think.

    • Sasha Densikoff says:

      If this was Facebook, I’d “like” your post. :D
      I think you’ve got it there in one, mate!

      I do not live in America (thank fk, lol!) but since Australia seems to follow and copy closely what America does, (even the failed things, go figure) I am always deeply interested in what goes on in your country. They’re trying to bring in fracking here, did you know? I hope it never goes ahead. I already know of it’s dismal failures.

      I am trying to make others think of those sort of questions as you just stated (what would you do if you had no electricity, no internet, no mobile service?) but I am often though of as some conspiracy nutter instead.
      Oh well…it’ll be easier just looking after myself, anyways. :)

  30. sharpinla says:

    How dare you live free and independent of the corporation.

  31. Russell Malcolm says:

    The basic flaw in all thsi is that these SERVANTS are just that, SERVANTS. Our servants they do as we instruct, they do not control us, dominate or have any authority over us. Who the hell gave the mandate to them because WE the bosses did not? Im in NZ and have had a gutsfull of these empire building buracrates thinking they are in control. Wrong! wipe the parasites out, buy whatever means.

  32. THatGuy says:

    before everyone gets up in arms talking about the government apocolypse and all that self righteous Slippery slope “the world is black and white” mumbo jumpo, I’d like to remind you that the Government is not one big horrible monster. its several people with several opinions (thousands or millions more like it) doing A job. For instance the Gov. people who give me my drivers licence are not these horrible people, and the president or congress is not responsible for a few county officials getting the wrong idea about their responsibilities and being stupid. In fact thats WHY the nation government gets so involves, because its citizens are so intent on screwing each other over. People murder, steal, or take advantage and harrass each other so the government has to make laws. I Believe in small government, but if you act like the Government is some evil monster that is trying to perpetuate itself through the suffering of others, you are an idiot.

    Government exists because people are generally horrible to each other. Dont blame America for this, Blame Americans.

    • John Frye says:

      On a basic level, I agree with you. The government was established here to see to our needs and to protect our rights. Where we differ in opinion is that I believe that the government was established “By the people, for the people”. The government seems to have gotten that backwards. GREED is the source of our problems. Greed for money, greed for power, greed for land, and greed just for the sake of greed. If “We the people” want it to stop, we have the power to make it stop. VOTE! Vote on every law. vote at every election from the dog catcher on up. Find out who the bad boys and girls are and never let them hold office again. Probably just as important, make sure EVERYONE knows why people are being voted in and out of office. The people have many powers. We can removed officials, law enforcement personnel, judges, just about anybody but it won’t happen if we don’t make it happen.

  33. Terlingua Girl says:

    Come to Terlingua TX (Brewster County TX) we’re off grid friendly.

    • Bob White says:

      Hello Terlingua girl:

      I am thinking about buying land in Terlingua and raising goats. Is that viable there? Also is there a community of any sort there?


      Bob White

  34. Dusty says:

    Land of the sheep … Home of the slave … that’s what the want of us and the ‘sleeple’ are all the while oblivious … sad

  35. Dale Bennington says:

    We do not have to worry about those In Washington if they want the land give it to them thats just less tax dollars they get.

    Most Importantly always remmeber any thing our tax dollars buy

    we the American people then own. Jsut Look right now to any city county or goverment building or lands own by GOVERMENT.

    No re taxes can be collected. This is simple The Goverment can not tax its self. They are in fact insolvent they dont own anything its owned by We the American People

  36. Amsoil, Phil Beigbeder says:

    You can feel the end times, we own nothing……you do not own your car, just the right to use it… the fine print….I feel that the grinding machine that defines present day life is about to choke on it’s own volition …it may be the best thing to happen in a long time

  37. frank sherman says:

    i donate two days a week to a group called people helping people we run a thrift shop and use the income to give food to the needy.i recently spoke to an elderly lady who could not afford her house anymore but had a small peice of land.she set up a tent and fixed it ut to live in.this was a wall tent and was very sturdy.she is very independant and able to care for herself.we gave her furniture and camping gear to make it liveable.i just found out the county condemed her land because she had no water or septic system.they moved her into a shelter were she has no say about her life at all.the look in her eyes told the whole story,she wont last very long.our goverment is so good at making our decisions for us. please say a prayer for this poor lady who just wanted to be left with her pride and dignity.

    • tracie says:

      Tell that lady she can come build a cabin on my land in Alaska if she can handle the winters. We fish, hunt and chop wood. Plenty of supplies tell her.

  38. Suzette Gordon says:

    I love this site and want to share with my friends. I wish these people would have filed a class action law suit against the government.

  39. dave says:

    Nate wrote “My land lord can’t even walk onto the property I own without notice.”

    Nate, if you own the property, you no longer have a landlord.
    I started complaining about this shit 20 years ago when it took me 3 days and cost $400 to have 4 screws put into a wall thanks to Sacramento Bldg. Dept.

  40. Angela Rios says:

    How are the government’s actions legal? Who is policing BIG BROTHER? These people are living off their land, and not living off the government. What’s wrong with that? What next? Are they going to target gardeners and force them to destroy their tomato plants? We can’t allow the government to continue their bullying! These government thugs should go after those corporations who are polluting the earth with their toxins, such as Monsanto who is polluting our food supply and our topsoil, the water companies for putting chemicals in our water (when they could easily purify it through distillation), and all the others who are spraying chemicals in the air and destroying nature. Talk about a nuisance; I am offended by this toxic warfare and it is infringing on my health as well as the health of all Americans and ALL of nature. THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD FOCUS THEIR EFFORTS ON FOR THE WELFARE OF ALL AMERICANS. Picking on those who are self-sufficient and simply living on their land, not bothering anyone is thug mentality, trespassing and bullying people to destroy their property! I don’t believe the story about neighbors complaining either; it’s just an excuse. PEOPLE NEED TO STAND UP FOR THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR RIGHTS TO STAY ON THEIR LAND AND KEEP THEIR PROPERTY.

  41. Christina says:

    I hear you Frank. She and you will be in my prayers. I hope you also hold me and my young family in yours.

  42. Bruce Cunningham says:

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  43. rondo says:

    Our gracious president has now signed 3 pertinent EXECUTIVE ORDERS…
    One is the Security Parameter Agreement for the North American Union, #2 is the Council of Governors and MOST IMPORTANTLY- #3 is the Rural Council on as part of the sinister Agenda 21 plan. Yes, control on every thing you do if you are living in the country. If the government wanted less oil pollution, they would of allowed Ford and Diesel to produce their first cars using Ethanol, Ford using hemp ethanol, Diesel using hemp oil. Yes, way back then…… follow the rules of the big boys, NO MONEY from the powerful bankers. Same as today with corporations and bankers. A Corptacracy, fascism. Look up, “executive order, Obama Rural Council” just passed in April. Good luck

    • Jason says:

      Obama Rural Council= ORC

      u mad JR Tolkien?

  44. Able Freeman says:

    So where is the class action suite that will make these people whole. Where is Carl Drega when you need him, RIP. I do not advocate the initiation of force. But these code enforcers are initiating every day. By the way they need a warrant to get on the property if property rights mean anything. I never in these stories heard whether warrants were issued? This must stop and your “wonderful ” authorities are on the wrong side, so it is up to the people to begin defending their rights. Have we not seen for long enough and blatant enough the actual participation in the destruction and abrogation of rights by “your” government! Certainly not mine.

  45. Sheila says:

    Jason has a point. I live in a city where there are codes that work to our advantage. For example, I live in a ground floor condo. The owner of the unit above me miss installed a used washing machine without using a licensed plummer. It leaked. They “fixed it themselves”. It leaked again and over one night two inchesd of water ran from the linen closets covering my floor and ruining the studds, walls. I had a mess and had to live in a motel for a month and with consstruction and drying for another month, all at my insurance and then my expense. Here, if you do not get a permit, nothing is done. Many people fix thing s themselves. Tenants changed upstairs. The new one found a dangerous electrical flaw that could have started a fire. There is still land where you are out by yourself and do not have near neighbors and codes. Perhaps the people could move to another state to a rural area and buy there. But where your actions affect the welfare and safety of others, I believe codes are beneficial. Sheila

  46. Dante says:

    I think its a load of crap that they can tell you how to live. Where is our freedom that our country sought and fought for? If I want to use solar panels for electricity, and use the water from the natrual underground reserve under my land, then I will. Its bad enough that I have to keep paying taxes every year on land thats already paid for, and on cars that are already paid for. Our envirorment needs to be taken care of. You (the government) need to put your foot down when it comes to cutting down forests for shopping malls and other things. Because the trees and grass is what takes in all the carbon dioxide the all the cars and factorys produce. Dont worry about the timber industry, the hell with them, worry about the rest of us, and future generations to come. Burning coal is not acceptable for “Keeping the lights on.” Instead more factorys should be opened up that make things such as solar panels, wind mills and such, that will help our enviroment, and create jobs at the same time.

  47. Todd says:

    Welcome to the People’s (Democratic) Republic of California. You won’t enjoy your stay; that’s not why we’re here.

  48. Barry says:

    Who cares. Starve the beast. Cheat on your taxes, buy gold, hide it, rinse, repeat. Screw the fed.

  49. Michael says:

    This just proves that this country of ours is dying. Perhaps if illegal aliens moved in they would be left alone? American citizens living off the grid is part of the American pioneer spirit we should all celebrate!!

    Our country fought for independence for less reasons than this!!!

  50. Lori Schwegel says:

    I am so sorry to see this repeated across the country. I live at the edge of the everglades..folks who have lived here for generations are now subject to ” BULLSHIT” REGULATIONS.. They can , seemingly not live here in peace anymore either.. Oh come on.. I am, all for preservation and environmentalism but give folks who live ” here ” the respect they deserve .. The right to live here as they have for generations..The rest can go buy their permits to reap profits to make money on the environment..

  51. pmr says:

    Government power,and over running of the people! Looks like another Ruby Ridge in the makings! They will run up on the wrong citizen soon enough and someone is going to get their head peeled back!

    • Wil says:

      Okay…who?…specifically, who is going to get their head ‘peeled’back?…sounds violent. Guess what you get????….WWWWWTTTTTFFFF!!!!

  52. Sam Beavin says:

    We are WAY past time for a real revolution. Doubt if we have the collective huevos to do it though as it will NOT be pretty or safe. At least VOTE the A’holes out.

  53. HH says:

    @Angela They already are. A farmer here was subject to a DEA style raid… for selling raw milk. There are constant threats of regulation on the back yard gardener who sells or even gives away their produce to others.
    They control the oil.
    They control the energy.
    They control the air waves.
    They control the food.
    Do you really think you are free?

  54. Metamorphic says:

    History loves repeating itself. The same was done to Native Americans centuries ago. The “civilized man” took their land for future development and also ruined their way of life. Who knows… Maybe in the future the few surviving relatives of the “desert rats” will be given Casinos as compensation for what happened to their ancestors! And Michael… That part of the country was once Mexico. The “illegals” are only “illegals” in there today because we have bigger weapons. Let’s not forget that either.

  55. ALee Jones says:

    Follow the money, but carefully because these people will be killed by these county administration thugs…..

  56. Please do not do anything to let them set a precedent for this. This is necessary to humans everywhere. To not allow people to build their own shelter, and grow their own food is to let the Government say Human Adults are not capable of making their own decisions and must never trust in their own abilities and judgement. That we must not dirty our own hands, but must hire ‘help’ to do anything. And if you don’t have the means, you must go somewhere else.

    They are taking away the means to sustain life.

    They are taking away the very basic means to liberty.

    The are blocking your pursuit of happiness.

    Read the damn thing! You want to talk about the law? This is prior legal precedence!

  57. Jim says:

    You have the 2nd Amendment right to protect your property.
    Property taxes are unconstitutional.
    If a big-shot had my house destroyed I would burn his to the ground (Justice)

    • Jessica says:

      Wish this had a like button.

  58. SB says:

    This sounds like land seizure in compliance with UN Agenda 21.

    This is a violation of rights and liberty. It is happening in various forms around America. The Constitution has little or no meaning to these little dictator wannabes. I hope these folks resist and if help is needed to form a line, I will join them.

  59. Cece says:

    I applaud the group that gathered together to fight this issue. The sad thing is that when people unite for a force against the Nanny State and the government as it is today – they are labeled domestic terrorists, racists, extremists, crazy and the list goes on – just watch the mainstream media and see what they say about the Tea Party. It is a sad state of affairs. What I don’t understand from the videos presented here – why didn’t those people whose neighbors are 10 miles away go ask their neighbors about the complaints to validate the claim from the government that neighbors complained? Why didn’t the person making the videos go to the neighbor’s and ask if they complained and inform them that if they didn;t complain they are being used as a scapegoat?

  60. Brette Sterling says:

    Please get this video on YouTube as well and send news releases about it to major media – NY Times, LA Times, wire services such as AP and Reuters.
    This is a story every American needs to know about. Per LA County, all of our pioneer forebears would have been run off their land into a state-controlled environment. This is insane.

  61. Brette Sterling says:

    And send it to 60 Minutes!

  62. It looks like building departments are going on the cheat with the dirty cops in many jurisdictions. They care about stealing money from the public and nothing else, especially safety. In my experience the worst criminals in our degenerating economy are the cops. These days cops are hired to make a profit for the government, any way they can, and get rid of those that don’t produce for the government. All governments have become the Godzilla of old Japanese movies. Oregon cops can issue a completely bogus traffic cite, then commit perjury in the most ridiculous impossible lies in court and the judges convict anyway, as if it were both a conspiracy. I know. It happened to me in Oregon. In Oregon, don’t drive in your vehicle alone. If you want to know why, read the posts on:

  63. Brette Sterling says:

    Look at LA County’s website – it’s motto is “To enrich lives through caring and effective service”!:

    What phenomenal hypocrisy, as they turn LA County into a brutal, totalitarian enclave.

  64. Kaleb says:

    I dont live anywhere near you guys, but if you decide to band together and fight back with force to keep your land, I will show up with my arsenal and friends to show your county po-dunk pigs what force is. DONT BE DRIVEN OUT!

  65. Tree Thunderchild says:

    I’ve been making my own power from wind and sun for almost 40 years, growing most of my own food, saving my own seeds.
    I have had Social Services take my child in a fight that lasted over a decade (time not spent improving my living conditions, instead devoted to defending my right to be with my own child, still does not make sense just how that was ‘helping’ him or me).
    In around 40 years of making my own power (used being FORCED to live in town get a car get on the grid buy my food from a store, aka be “normal” to get my son back). I saved around $148,000.00 USD
    That money did not go into the hands of multi-trillion dollar corporations, but instead was used buying things I wanted or needed that PEOPLE made or grew better than I could.
    So that money went to support the local economy, not the mega corporations (my crime I guess that they had to take my child from me so he could not learn from his father?).
    So if the people are not FORCED to support mega corporations (monsanto, coal industry, nuclear industry etc)but instead are supporting each other, then the people prosper instead of the mega corporations? That should be a crime? Americans prospering instead of “serving” the corporations? Where you HAVE to buy their food, their power etc, so you HAVE to pay them for the right to survive?
    And those who sit behind desks who dont have the first clue how to take care of themselves, but force the people to pay taxes that support them…..
    If you have to bet your life on money, you are a SLAVE, these laws are only here to clearly make the population into slaves, and if you don’t like it your a threat to a government out to make you slaves?
    When the government fears the people you have freedom, when the people fear the government you have tyranny.
    So they take my child to force me to conform to a way of life that is completely foreign to me to make me a slave to a system destroying this earth and humans freedom…
    This confuses me, when they did not create me or this earth, both belong to the creator. And if I was the creator of this earth? I think I would destroy all those who destroy it, and the freedom the creator gave us, to serve the creator, not those who’s laws seek to force us to pay others to destroy the earth.
    Creator sent me to this world.
    But I am to serve others instead of my creator?
    This government has no cause to fear me, but does have cause to live in fear, of the creator.
    If it cant see that yet, then they need to open their eye while they still can.
    Sorry, but those who destroy this earth WILL be destroyed, that is not my wish, nor the wish of my creator, its what happens when you serve the destroyer. The power they think they hold, is not theirs, and the one who it belongs to, will have those who serve it, pay the price.
    This is not my law nor human law, its the law of the universe.
    I don’t hate those who serve evil in this way, I feel sorry for them.

    • Wil says:

      Okay….W (rhimes with hut)….T….(rhimes with duh)…F (rhimes with duck)!

  66. Jill Ledet says:

    You have got to be kidding me, they are just completely getting out of control, they are not caring, they are exploitive, they want to know how you wipe.

    you can still live in town, and live cheap and organic, and people do it, people have a right to their life and to live holistically, and healthy.

    God what is happening here? Are we under attack again? They are using money as power. They just had a great article about living off the grid, about a farm family, and it was actually admired, why are they turning everything into evil. Oregon is twisted, always has been anyway, backwoods deliverance.
    Just pray that you are passed over, like in Passover. Pray to be invisible. There is something very unhealthy going on.

  67. I went through high school while living in the Antelope Valley. Riding my trials bike through the desert, i would see the self sufficient desert rats dotted at intervals out across the scrub brush. Inhospitable in the summer and liveable in the winter and spring, these desert rats deserve praise for having what it takes to live about as close to free as you can get in this country. It saddens me greatly to hear of their plight. what happens to them happens to us all because the world is interconnected. We as patriotic Americans can nor, dare not ignore their needs and requirements to be left alone and in peace. It is imperative that we unearth the reasons as to why this is happening and prosecute the criminals. This smells like it comes all the way from the sewers of Washington D.C. The people responsible should turn themselves into prison for at least 7 years and the cowardly law enforcement personnel should hang their collective heads in shame for what they are doing. Have they no conscience? have they no soul?

  68. Jill Ledet says:

    They are reaching inside your bowels, and pulling them out like in Braveheart.

    • Wil says:



  70. Rono says:

    All of u here sem to be free thinkers. And hope, would like to see the USA led by one of us! VOTE Ron Paul!

  71. RadarRecon says:

    It’s California. Whada ya expect?

  72. stop the lies says:

    Thanks Obama for your BIG GOVERNMENT. Thanks for spreading the wealth. You know taking money from hard working Americans and giving it to lazy welfare breading machines. I know it was your whole intention to bankrupt our country through the welfare system just like your mentors explained it. Thanks dems for not vetting this foreigner, and ruining our country. If anyone things this is only going on in LA your wrong. Have you heard complaints about prisons being built and then never opened. That’s because they are for us when we don’t conform, get vaccinated, grow your own food. They are accepting applications on the homeland security website. We the Pursecuted.

  73. John says:

    Monsanto wants to criminalize organic gardens

  74. SAMUEL TUCKER says:


  75. Rebecca says:

    I keep waiting for them to feel the need to tear down the Kill Bill church… it’s a landmark and a “go to” spot. It’s a harsh environment – we lived about 3 miles from the church until 2009. To me it makes no sense at all…this “code violation” crap. In the city of Palmdale they fine you if your lawn is dead yet if you use too much water (say to keep your lawn green) they also fine you…. always citing ‘neighbors are complaining’. Hell the people that live out by the church HAVE NO NEIGHBORS. It’s complete bullshit.

  76. "'----> says:

    just maybe the indians should start makeing the goverment move off their land an back to england an take whit them the ones back with them that they bought with them it was our land an they stold it an killed for it

    • tracie says:

      That would be nice and only those of us who want to live as the natives did will help ship them back to england

  77. "'----> says:

    so their for the land dose not belong to them

    • Wil says:

      No….therefore the dosage was too high.

  78. billofthenorth says:

    It’s all about gov’t control, code enforcement forces you to spend money for which you need to work and pay taxes on, same with buying health care you don’t want.

  79. Bill Porter says:

    It’s our government on the rampage. WAKE UP AMERICA!

  80. steve citron says:

    Most of the comments I see are really misinformed. I happen to live where so much of this is taking place, and the truth is, it is folks that have found someone’s property not occupied. And SQUATTED on the property. No sanitation, no right to squat there, just find an old travel trailer, or old van/school bus/beat up RV, and squat. The land owner is appraised of the situation, and low and behold, the fact of ownership comes to light, so the county must enforce the trespass law. The squatter moves off, or goes to jail for drugs/making dope/failure to register as a felon/sex offender/children in danger or not attending school. The LAND OWNER is charged with removing the offending trash, fixing the sanitation problem, and the neighboring properties are taken for a huge drag through decending value of property. No one wants to punish anyone for wanting to live a self sustaining lifestyle, just to do so within the law.

    It has cost me several thousand dollars to get the trespassers off of my land, and the Sheriff could not put the female in street, as she had minor children, and that was their own Mother!! So, when CPS took the kids to foster care, the woman went to jail, and was also charged with contributing to the delinguentcy of her kids, but 4 drug charges, and a warrant for “soliciting” outstanding, as well as being in possesion of a stolen weapon, and assualt on a Sheriff’s deputy.

    Many folks here in the high desert of L.A. county live off of the grid, and do so legally with water trucked in, and septic systems CORRECTLY installed. If the sanitation is not kept legal, we get nitrates in our well water, and THAT is the only water we have. In fact we truck in 1000 gal a month for drinking, as the wells are now too high in nitrates from illegal squatters.
    So, the other side of the coin is do so LEGALLY, and you are not just welcomed, but encouraged.

  81. steve citron says:

    I also would like to see how many of you folks live here? I DO! And for some slimy ass to just squat out here, say he is going back to the land, and all that jazz is just stupid. THERE IS NO PUBLIC LAND HERE! If you are driving across the desert, you are trespassing on someones land! It is ALL owned by either the federal government,( IE; Edwards AFB, and the testing range), or a person who bought the land for his future savings, when he will sell to afford his retirement. I saw a clown on here crow about how he used to buzz across the desert on his dirt bike, and cross anjyone’s land he wished. HEY BUDDY! You are subject to arrest!! And a few of us who do own the land may just start ;Shootin/Shovelin/and Shutup! You are not welcome to cross the land with out coming to ask if the owner cares if you do so. Just because the owner is not physically here, does not give you the right!

    • nonya buizness says:

      Hm…its all public land…no one owns any damn land. Pretty sure you will start a war if you start just shootin and a shovelin and shutup…

  82. Matt says:

    Wow,that is frustrating. That’s just what I want to achieve, live off-grid. There were these living dwellings called “Earthships”. I really want to live in one. They look like Luke Skywalker’s house. 100% off grid and self sustaining made entirely from recycled junk packed with rammed earth and sealed in concrete. Google it

  83. Delbert Lammers says:

    I’m glad to hear that the American Pioneer spirit is still alive and well. God Bless you all..I wish we all could live off the grid and get back to nature as the creator intended us to live. unfortunately there are far too many people and just not enough places for the ones who want, to live off the grid. Someone said the grid is much more fragile than we think. I wonder if they realize just how true this is? It will fail, probably much sooner than we think, then all of us, weather we live on or off the grid, will be thrown into a very dark and dangerous world where very few of us will survive.

    • I think there is plenty of room for the people who want to survive simply to do so, as there are not that many. The amount of room is not the problem as the mainstream hates the idea of simplifying. Water will be the next big challenge.

  84. Monty says:

    This reminds me of what started the sagebrush wars in Nevada, people got tired of the Government not following the Constitution. So until we say enough an join the tea party or something like it in your area it will get worse believe me.

  85. jwillis says:

    the govermet cant do that

  86. Bryan says:

    Funny, our ancestors revolted against a tyrannical government for MUCH MUCH less than we tolerate these days…..

    • Jessica says:

      So true. But back then half the people weren’t lazy and living off of other taxpayers and acually stood together to fight.

  87. Cruzr Guy says:

    Time to take back America, folks. This is sickening. Do these people not have firearms? I don’t want any trouble, go out of my way to avoid it … but those SOB’s come around here telling me I gotta get out, I can tell you right now it will not be pretty. they have the big guns and have me outnumbered …. it’ll be Ruby Ridge all over again. But I’ll go down fighting, and take a mess of them along with me.

  88. FlaCubanRedneck says:

    this is a tactic they did to my family. we owned property out in the everglades and the government offered us 1/10th of the value then the next offer was that they were just going to take it… and they did… this is b@!!sh!t… un-fu$kingconstitutional..

  89. jonjonzz says:

    this is all about a developer using the gov to get the land for his future deals and they want all off of it, money buys city hall every time..make graft punishable by hanging in public

  90. jonjonzz says:

    follow the money the permits and the connections…bingo corruption…I am gonna buy a spot there and make it code but paint it orange

  91. Jean Lawrence says:

    Outrageous! Illegal! This needs to be broadcast everywhere!

  92. Kathy hall says:

    This is sick and wrong !! We the People should have a right to live as we please !! The goverment is always trying to take from us ! we have no rights left !! This just sickens me to the core!HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN AMERICA !!!!!!

  93. Christy says:

    What is most curious is why do they want the land, what use do they hve. in mind for it? FEMA camps like they r already building in other states? Now that Hussein Obama has funding and participation in his Natl. Civilian Army (funding came in the HC Bill) I won’t be surprised to c a camp developed at the exact spot they throw owners off.

  94. Silly Worm says:

    I’m figuring that the land is being prepped for fracking. They’re doing what it takes to get the people who care for the land out of the way. They’re also devaluing it so they can buy it cheaply. It could be the govt or the oil companies, or both

  95. Scott says:

    What a bunch of crap.Why cant they just let these people live their lives without being bullied and intimidated by these govt thugs.

  96. OT says:

    It’s all about strong-arming the populace, making sure their money keeps going to the corporations. By all rights it warrants direct and vicious attacks on corporate and government interests. If they make sure they have your money one way, then you ensure they’re going to lose it though other means. Confront me like this and I won’t be a martyr and relive the Alamo in a shootout, but I assure you you WILL pay for it.

  97. OT says:

    A siege by phalanx of armed enforcers is only an opportunity to turn and shove a blade in from the rear where the armor is soft.

  98. steve vaughn says:

    One has to be careful when claiming conspiracy, this appears to be no more than some moronic public officials throwing their weight around. Take their place, change their laws! The truth and justice, fairness, these things will prevail, but only if the people complaining of the state of things are willing to work within the parameters of the opposition!! Use their own laws to make change!! Take their place and make real changes!!!! Fight the enemy from within their own ranks!!!! One must accept the reality that some may have to stand and give up their lives…Protect yourselves, but remember,,, knowledge is power!!Use knowledge of the laws to change the course.Stand together and the power of the people WILL PREVAIL in the end..If you really care go and stand with these folks, use your knowledge to really help them,use your money… do you care enough??????

  99. Jules says:

    Have they paid for their land?

  100. Gordon says:

    The big unions like Hoffa has is going to try to unionize the homeless and or the ones that don’t depend on the government for handouts. Control. That’s what it is all about..
    The govt cannot stand to have anyone that doesn’t need or want a hand out.
    This super liberal on Pennsylvania ave is the worst this country has ever known. God save us from 2012 repeat.
    It doesn’t matter who we elect or why. They get to DC and are sucked into the corrupt cesspool with out a life jacket and we paying for it.

  101. William Wallace says:

    95% of you folks have it right. The passwords are “control” and “never waste a good crisis”. True, ignorance is no excuse, but teach yourself by reading and discerning like the “Bereans”-to see if things are so. Thanx, Mike for the Federal Land Patent idea. Now here is another folks- go to Invest your FRNs in some constitutional knowledge to escape “corporation” tickets, unjust taxes, court appearances, etc. Remember the “neutral response”. (Soft answer turneth away wrath.) Found this on Pastor or (Pastor Butch Paugh-Vietnam Vet) “Government … is a dangerous servant or a fearful master.” Gen. George Washington (The Fearful Master(1964) and Creature From Jekyll (or is it really Hyde) Island-G. Edward Griffin) Yes, you can go to Central and S. America and find more freedom for a while, but just remember Old Scratch, Old Nick, Haman, Lucifer, satan has but a short time. Proverbs 3:5&6. The New Millenium will be fabulous w/Yeshua as King. Thank you also, Dr Larry Bates. GB you all.

    • Wil says:

      what da F ?

  102. Move to Nova scotia, Canada where you have the living shit taxed out of you and low wage,s to work with. If it wasn,t for my wife I would be off the grid. The hell with this bullshit.

  103. Sun Painter says:

    Wow, I used to pick up the children that lived at this one desert farm in the video. It was the furthest stop out on my school bus route. The Antelope Valley is huge, but it is not all raw desert. Lancaster and Palmdale were booming towns when I was last there, 5 years ago. About 60 miles North of the City of Los Angeles., you had all the modern conveniences, jobs, shopping, restaurants and community recreation. People there refer to Los Angeles (City) as “Down Below”, because most everything you could need is available in Lancaster, Quartz Hill and Palmdale.

    The Antelope Valley was also known as Aerospace Valley due to the Lockhead, Skunk Works and other Aerospace industry. Interesting planes were always flying overhead, including the stealth bomber and other military aircraft. Sonic booms were part of everyday life. So are summer temperatures of 120 degrees. You get used to the dry heat and it is easier to deal with than humid heat. You grow to love this place of beautiful Joshua trees, century plants, Yucca and sage. There is nothing quite like seeing 50 or more tumble weeds rolling across the desert, skipping over the roads and hopping fences in the wind!

    In the springtime, the mountains surrounding this valley burst into bloom. If there has been a good rain, the mountains will be covered with vivid orange poppies that from a distance look like lava flowing down. This corridor is where the California Poppy Reserve is. Areas are splashed with beautiful purple lupine flowers too. People come there in droves each spring to see and photograph the flowers.

    I felt it necessary to give a more full description of the Antelope Valley, since the video paints it as a very bleak place… These people live in the outermost regions where life can be a challenge, but make no mistake about the desert being alive! If you live there, you come to appreciate the plants and animals, the cloudless blue skies, the fact that your pets get NO fleas and the fabulous red – purple sunsets with cool nights.

    Personally I have mixed feelings about this article and videos. Nothing is all black and white. I do remember the teenagers who used to get on my bus at this farm. Lovely young people. Well mannered and rarely complaining about the over 2 hour bus rides each day to school. The girl used to sit up front and tell me about her classes and friends. The boys read or napped or we listened to Latino music tapes. Were they damaged by living out in the desert? It sure didn’t seem so. The kids that I worried about were the ones well within the grid. The ones who lived in crowded apartment complexes…

    This farm sits pretty far back from the road but as you can see there are no trees to block the view in this area.

  104. If I could be so bold as to encourage you to vote once in your life, let it be in the Republican Primary for Ron Paul!

    Ron Paul is for Home Schooling, Non Intervention and Anarchy/Libertarianism… He won’t raid your raw milk supplier or your drug dealer or your desert home!

    • Bob Lee says:

      And what Ron Paul needs is some vote stealing hackers as good as the ones GWB had, or Romney has.

      Elections are always vote stealing contests. What counts is not how you vote, but who counts the vote.

  105. Ralph, freedom requires defending. When Ron Paul figures that out I’ll consider voting for him. Until then, all the freedom in the world is useless if you’re not willing, or not able, to recognize and deal with people who want to destroy you. As for this problem, as a Californian I’m not surprised, though I have to say if you’re intimidated by county officials telling you this kind of BS you need to remember where you are. This is America, we don’t stand for that kind of crap here. I suggest the next time someone comes on your land and gives you a ration of crap about it you drag their ass in front of a judge and exercise your rights.

  106. Sol Fir says:

    This is very simple people, it is the CRIME called “interstate commerce” and you had better not get in it’s way. Oh, but your local thieves called cops and city workers forgot to mention to you that you are guilty of a crime simply by not participating! Yes, that’s right, you are nothing more than a cog in the machine of “interstate commerce” upon birth and if you don’t fit your role, you are literally destroyed in order to have your spot replaced with some “part” for the “machine” that does. This is NOT human, it is gov’t or systemic. It is a disease that has literally destroyed the body of humanity. You are either willing to stand up and FIGHT for your rights, or you will no longer have them. 2nd amendment anyone? Or are you all so brainwashed by movies and television that you falsely think it’s “crazy talk” to actually fight back against those who endanger your lives? Stand up for yourself against the “good” little thieves and murderers called cops and gov’t agents, because in reality they ARE the very hands of the corrupt gov’t, and it takes a corrupt man to fill their shoes, NO QUESTION! Now enough is enough, get your damn minds right. It’s time to either keep your way of life or create your way of life, or get ROBBED AND IMPRISONED (if not murdered) for being alive and wanting to do something other than shell out every last penny to fools, thieves and murderers.

    And stop worshipping and loving the lying, thieving scumbag cops and federal agents already! Their ACTIONS determine WHO they TRULY are! And they are throwing people in prisons for simply producing their own food and power! Now what does that tell you about WHO they truly are? Duh! We’re dealing with literal organized crime here, if we were not, I wouldn’t have to be writing this right now and the majority of people in America would not have to be living in denial!

  107. Dave says:

    Start inspecting the city. Fire station is a good place to start. That double cylinder lock on their front door, requiring a key to exit, is a violation of fire code. It doesn’t matter if the door is never locked, buildings open to the public are required to have keyless egress. Take it from there.

  108. KRK says:

    It’s obvious that to live off the grid, you have to flee the United States. But trying to leave is getting more and more difficult by the day.

  109. God bless these Americans! And, shame on these county officials!

    I suppose that it would be OK if some Muslims occupied the desert in this way, – or, some Amish and blacks………

    • teba says:

      Pastor? You are the antithesis of off grid living. Blacks were the first whose rights the government took away. Or do you think some people deserve to loose their rights? Well its that kind of thinking that created this situation in the first place. Injustice to any one person unopposed, breathes injustice to all people. You pea brain.

  110. Sickening what the people of America have swallowed. Treason all around and nobody says anything til it affects them personally. It’s been too late. It’s very sad what we have become. Keep paying for all the murder in the world. Because America is the biggest murderer. Whether you agree with it or not you finance it. Register to vote? You’ve just committed treason against the REAL United States of America. Educate yourself. Spread the word.

  111. Nelson Dalton says:

    If anyone is wondering why all this is happening to them Read UN Agenda 21 it will answer alot of your questions
    part 10 of Agenda 21
    -Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources

  112. Leland Somers says:

    What does “self sufficient” really mean. Obviously these people depend on a vast web of people, organizations, corporations and government that contribute to their ability to live.

    1. They all wore “store bought clothes”. So somewhere someone other than them made these clothes, packaged them and shipped them using oil that other people processed, on roads that tax payers paid for.

    2. I didn’t see anyone riding horses. They were all driving automobiles made by licensed corporations, driving them on roads paid for by taxpayers and maintained by tax payers.

    I doubt that a single one of them could actually live independently of the vast web of society that provides most of what they have. They aren’t living in caves.

    • Bob Lee says:

      So people can’t live as they wish, because they don’t live up to your idea of what some other person chose to label them as, with the degree of absolute adherence that you require? I don’t think this is an accurate representation of your position.

      Everyone is dependent on others to some extent. This is why the rules of commerce and trade have been handed down from pre-history, and are what is known as common law, of which the UCC is a copyrighted version, and both of which are beyond government power to circumvent.

    • “These people” are just trying to get by, and in the process, using less fuel and water than the mainstream — issues the oligarchy is supposedly concerned about. The 7th Day couple were growing their own food. The harassment is not helping them to be more self reliant. These people are also the tax payers paying for the roads, and for the govt agents to come out and harass them. As for the clothes, how come you assume they’re not second hand?

  113. Kristen Davis says:

    Wow. So Commiefornia really does live up to its name. Kinda sad that the counties are coming and acting as Nazis. My disabled veteran husband and I looked at putting in a solar plant here in the desert and the county tried to tell my husband he was too young to be a veteran so our request for information on disabled veteran help from the county was denied. Then we were also denied access to transmission line maps or the county land developer because we needed to pay for all the copies of paperwork it was going to take to get the maps to us. The bill for the county to get us copies magically came to about a grand. So we are now being driven to go to Nevada or Arizona. When we went out to take a look at what land was for sale we were stopped by a few men in black clothing with side arms and asked us to step off the “For Sale” property we were looking at. California has become a horrible communist state. THey don’t support the people or business or anything that is related to helping the communities in Commiefornia either.

    • Wil says:

      Nazis…men in black? Ok…WTFFFFFF!

  114. jw m says:

    “The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
    Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

  115. phil says:

    This i why our founders had a second ammendment, I would die before i moved from my homei have work for all my life. Yours is up to you. You better believe its for profit. Ive been to our land lang ago, personaly, i wouldn,t live there, but its yours. freedom is not free people. good luck

  116. JB NC says:

    I live on the East coast of the US. I am a simple man myself, growing up by following the social norm. Volunteering for my county, state, and now a private company…that upon a disaster the federal government will pay me to help with my knowledge and skills to those that are in the disaster zone. After serving in the disaster of 9/11, Katrina, Haiti, and other local disasters. I have for the past 4 years, gained a new thought process of living: Preparedness and self sufficiency of my own life. Not knowing that there are others out there like myself. Just seeing how large the numbers are out there recently, has spawned my movement in a direction to live off the grid.

    My background other than emergency medicine, was construction. My passion and hobbies to learn as much as possible of D.I.Y ( Do It Yourself) mentality has been taught to me since I was a little child. Now by seeing this video and website… I stop and wonder:

    The government has always wanted us under their grasps..the US government is a business. We the people are just numbers working and paying taxes.. We are working for the US government and by our numbers ( social security numbers) we are accounted for…to pay taxes, which is the governments money (paycheck). Now the way I see things, is the government get money from the water company, the power company, fuel, transportation, communication, etc…. if we the “off Gridders” are to live without these things “GREEN”, then others will follow us, because times are hard, and we want to have our freedom back, so we will go towards the least resistance.

    So if we live off grid, supplying our own water, sewer, food, fuel, power, thus only paying taxes and car insurance. We are in turn taking money away from the biggest business of them all, the US government.

    Now. The government wants us to recycle, reuse, and go GREEN..dont they? They say they do… but under their ways only… Buying solar panels that tie into the grid…Why should I do that, when I can spend less money and live with less, and have less impact on man and the earth?

    I have also ran into a problem on the East coast…I bought a 2 acre track of land, it is undeveloped, and I have the skills to build a structure on this land… the knowledge to provide my own power, sewer, food, and water. Be self sufficient. I am agreeing to build to code. I am agreeing to build my sewer to code.. But am still being harassed by county officials about every little thing.

    If other countries are able to live off the grid, than why can we not? I thought that the federal government was going bankrupt? If so..then why dont the government look at us ” the off grid people” and ask us how the US states can be more productive, eco friendly, self sufficient, and help save our finances and all live happily, putting our money where we need it the most. Into preparedness for our future, our children’s future, our government protection..” Hell..the electrical infrastructures protection” which is our countries weakest link… Wake up people!

    I am sure that this is not laid out grammatically correct. Though this is my “thinking” on this matter… lets go back to being simpler and practical. (Thank you for your time.)

  117. Lucie Morris says:

    This is what happened to me in Kagel Canyon, CA except NAT brought in child services and said we were endangering our child because we were living off the grid, had too many cars, code violations, blah blah blah, etc. We lived at the top of a mountain, hardly any neighbors on a dead-end dirt road. We had a well and NAT didn’t like the fact that we didn’t pay for water. We bought the house in 1997 and we forced out in 2008. Now we live in rural Kansas.

    • claire says:

      I was wondering where in Kansas you were able to live off the grid. I also live in Kansas and will be wanting to do this someday.

  118. Mark says:

    I’m speechless, this really makes my blood boil. With such a screwed up government and economy, those with the means to get by without begging for welfare, living off the land, basically being FREE, like what I thought this country was all about.
    I hunt and grow food for myself, recycle and process oils and chemicals for fuel. I tan and process my animal hides and produce my own leather products, for me. Among other Earth friendly habits, I do it all within a major city, where I pay high taxes, and for what?, I’m surrounded by ignorance.
    This country is going to hell in a handbasket, I am not the violent type, but would not put up with that crap, revolution is imminent, its how this country was made. I hope the government wakes up before anarchy breaks out

  119. anthony astor says:

    this is bulllshit america is actin like every otha country with dictations we are suppossed ta be a free country but name one thing thats free here u have ta pay ta live in this country if not u got ta jail how is this a free country NOW DONT GET ME WONG I LOVE MY COUNTRY ND GIVE THA UP MOST RESPECT FOR ANY MILITARY SOILDERS CAUSE THEY FIGHTIN FOR SOMTHING WERE NOT BUT THERE ALSO FIGHTIN FOR A COUNTRY THAT DICTATES US

  120. Rafael says:

    shocking! Stories like this make me sad. It’s difficult to believe in the great lie. Freedom where is it? If those people were rich, i bet know one would be saying ish to them.
    The revolution will not be televised… God Bless America.

  121. Scott says:

    It is said that the written word will not perish. It tends to be used against those that do not know it’s true power. Those in power either appointed, elected, or given by birthright all bend to the will of those with the power, financial or influencial in some other way. As someone who has been on the inside for my whole life I have seen the unwritten rule. Democracy in pure form does not exist due to the problems associated with everyone doing their own thing. Socialism in a pure state fails due to the loss of social motivation to do anything but subsist. I tend to agree with several good points brought up in this forum. I believe that we are being led to something that we currently will not choose to want to be a part of. Society today has been engineered to function as thus and when those in power want to change things this is the mess you tend to see. I am not a social engineered mouthpiece for what we have but folks let me tell you what I have seen. I have seen nations so devastated by inept and uncontrolled stupidity that it would terrify the masses here. Bloodshed daily is the norm not the exception, and it is who is the most brutal that controls until they are taken down by the more brutal. Look outside these borders and see what I am saying. We as people have a job to do here. It is up to us to fix our current mess. It starts at the grassroots and it builds. Yes we will have to deal with the stupidity of what we have now but compare it to what flys as society outside of our borders then you will have a new appreciation for our little 200+ experiment in social engineering, called government and conditioning. We have the ability to speak our thoughts out loud in forums such as this. Desert rats need to band together and read the constitution and the laws to fight for what is ours. We are a race of warriors and we have to defend that which is ours. The rose colored glasses must fall but we must see how we have life versus what is just outside the borders. For those who are not up to the challenge I say to you go and find somewhere else to be. I have fought for this place and my home and family. I provided all with the rights we all cherish as did so many others who came before me. I have the right to say what I say because I have recently returned from war. Not very pretty there my friends. Lets figure out how we can get together under the eyes of the watchers and become informed and do the small battles which will lead to profound changes for us all. Thank you.

    • Wil says:


      • seth datta says:

        You are a paid gov’t/banker shill who says WTF at every comment you have an opportunity to disparage. Shut up retard.

  122. aknate says:

    That’s just wrong. I live off grid and won’t go back to living on grid for any reason. I could not imagine having to go back on the grid like some of these people faced.

  123. WhiteCrow says:

    The more we try to break away from the grid or the Matrix of control the more scared these people get. I say if they are going to make your life miserable make them miserable. Legally they can’t force you to be connected but they can try their best to confuse others as of the letter of the law. The problem is that most don’t have the money to fight this type of illegal activity in court. But the local government does because of the taxes we all pay.They are fighting us using out own money. They need to leave these people alone before someone gets interested in These local authorities homes and security.I have heard many people taking about doing just that. They say now if it comes to them their going to take it to them when they least expect it. This to me sounds like people are becoming more serious about striking back at the core of these ass holes. Their homes ect…

  124. ex-californian says:

    I was born and raised in laguna beach in the 70’s.. You might think that this makes me a rich kid.. well I was raised by a parents who were hard working and self made.. my father a, canadian by birth decided early that he wanted to be free and become an American citizen.. So he did.. I was raised to believe in the founding father’s ideals.. We, all of us, everyone who rants here, and most of all the bureaucrats that are destroying this amazing country, need to read The Constitution and Declaration of Independence. We need to hold the Politicians and POLICE to the letter and Spirit of the LAW, BY FORCE, if necessary.. Until we as a population say, NO MORE and bring class action law suits against these cities and personal lawsuits against the bureaucrats who push paper in the tall glass temples of useless government stupidity.. i moved to TX.. where it is still ok to execute a child rapist, rather than sending them to therapy. Where, if you want to live in the woods in a hovel, good for you.. no one cares.. When enough people realize that CA is one of the most beautiful places on earth, but has been ruined.. You can fight them, with violence or lawsuits.. or leave…. Take their taxes and license fees away until they can’t keep hiring these looser drones, who follow any asinine order, from some Judge who failed as a lawyer. These Judges and Police are inching their way to taking away your ability to protect your families, under the guise of,.. just call 911.. thats what the police are for..HA what shit.. they are the strong arm of the politicians, YOU elect.. who will you vote for next time? CHANGE isn’t always CHANGE for the better…

    • Bob Lee says:

      Next loser drone that deprives you of a right, get his oath of office. (He won’t know it, but it’s the same for everyone in government but the prez.) Try to get him prosecuted by his own agency’s inspector general, then the FBI, and when they refuse (they have discretion) go to the honor dishonor process, same as the IRS uses, charging reasonable fees for the 18 USC 241,242 deprivation of rights at $250K per as per 18 USC 3571.Specifying also that you get power of attorney to seize assets to satisfy the claim. When the private process is complete get court ratification and collect. The court only has to see that the process is correctly done, not judge your rights; it is a decision by a superior court: that of contract.

  125. Well my friends and countrymen I can only add my thoughts in hope that we may contact each other, band together and “fight”.. that’s right, I said “fight”. There must be a way to be heard, and not just heard but some one in power who cares about the people- the citizens of this great and wonderful country that most of us were either born in or have been here and worked here all our lives. I am a Christian as were are forefathers and I will stand for you people that have been wronged.. but what can I do?.. I have no power or money.. but I do have faith in God the Lord Jesus Christ and I will continue to pray and hope continually that not just the county but, the men and women who serve in positions of authority within the state of California, will listen and take to heart what is happening here. We were born free! were we not?.. so do not be affraid of those who regulate and come to take away and heavily tax that freedom. Do not give up! Please…

  126. JOE says:

    The truth is that Americans are like crabs, jealous, and spiteful. For want of it all, you will lose it all.

  127. Tatiana A Klimenko Kostanian says:

    OUR Government and Our so called Leaders ARE supposed to be representing “we the peoples” and supporting OUR Rights, ALL OUR Rights. But from all i have learned and as a Senior Citizen, on life support, that we are and have been robbed in every way possible, including ALL OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS. These so called leaders in Government ARE ruthless arrogant, lawless and or applying real Justice. I have seen nothing but reckless non-accountability and unbelievable statements wherein they will go in front of a camera and state, 65 million ‘lost’; billions ‘lost’, trillions lost. We know and all have witnessed fact, 13% jobless; homeless, starving and NO real honest media to turn to. It is high time ‘we the peoples take back OUR Government from the Traitors and Betrayers of America. Time we place OUR full voices in how we want OUR country and lives run. America is NOT the America of OUR US Constitution. It IS time for Americans to fill the streets and yank the traitors out of office on the hill, close down the Federal Reserve and reclaim America to the peoples, period. Its time to fight for what is right and send those not in agreement, who also may be from outside the borders, boundaries and Citizenship of America, as ones we can truly count on, home! America needs Citizens WE can count on not sell us out of Democracy! Stop shopping and thinking about entertainment America (yes the Elite at the top) this means corporations, industries, banks, insurance companies, etc. We have no time to quibble, America is at a cross-roads and the poor and middle-class 100% do not deserve what you of the Elite and or Corporation and Political Structure are doing to our lives. Change or be changed, period. Americans ARE marching across America and by God YOU had better be on notice. We ARE NOT going to take any more of your robbing and lawlessness. Democracy IS NOT going to take a back-seat, not on the Americans lives I know. TRUTH will out, America will continue to OCCUPY until we take back our Citizens Rights and the America the Constitution has always Supported ! tatiana

  128. Joe says:

    The enemy of all humanity is not the U.S. Gov., it’s the American piece of shit, spawn of Satan white.

    • Wil says:

      WTF is spawn of Satan white?

  129. StrongBear says:

    It is funny how this is repeating itself now again… Church Hill said this when I was a child and heard my teacher speak it… ‘That if America is to fall it will fall from within’ Trust me that this statement is true and the prove of it is look at the Native American – the same thing has happen to them… now you… who next?

    • Too Sad says:

      “If fascism comes to America, it will come as Patriotism”

  130. sharpinLA says:

    Fix your status. If you are a U.S. citizen, you are equal to a subject. They own your ass. Become a state Citizen. there are two types of citizenship in this nation (they hide the latter from you, obviously).

    Your social security # is what gives your status away; if you have one, you’re a federally-controlled U.S. citizen.

  131. Melissa says:


  132. james noble says:

    i just got tired of all the crap in palmdale left my home to the bank and moved to florida a much better place. i know many people that live in the country without being on the grid. in florida you can carry a gun with concealed permit. grow food all year long including pineapple,banana,and many healthy fruits. fishing everywhere.
    you wont let me enter my comment claiming my e-mail address is incorrect so ill just leave as is . if want to post me o.k.

  133. Ellen Kenney says:

    This is intimidation, plain and simple. The rights of these people, who want to live a simple life, are being grossly violated and if the powers that be get away with this, it will be you and me who are forced from our homes next.

  134. joseph muscarello says:

    we are headed to police states. our gov wants all the power and say so. anyone catch our house voting against our bill of rights. we need to wake up to our surroundings and what is going on. we will have revolt in the streets if our rights and money keeps being taken away from us. i am not crazy but certain propecies are coming to attrition. pay close attention my friends.

  135. Allison says:

    kloathis said that it will be a crime to be poor…it will be a crime to be successful financially too. So sad.

  136. jake says:

    We are living in World War III and not aware of it. Our government is seeking absolute power, and they will not get it if the working man refuses to play his part.

  137. Observer says:

    There is a story that took place in the 1800s that is of value. In the backwoods of some southern state a revenue agent came looking for a moonshiner. He trudged up the mountain to a run down cabin and found a boy about aged 11. “I’m looking for Mr. Smith,”
    “He’s up there (pointing further up the mountain) workin'” said the boy.

    “Where’s your mother?”
    “She’s making ‘shine with him.”
    “Boy, how would you like to earn 50 cents? You take me to where they are and I’ll give you the money.”
    The kid held out his hand. The revenue agent said, “Oh no. You get the money after I get back.”
    The boy replied, “I’ll take the money, now. If you go up there you ain’t comin’ back.”

  138. VA Teacher says:

    I live in a more urban area, so its a somewhat different situation, but no less frustrating. Around here, code enforcement is very selective. Theoretically, the zoning code is supposed to protect people from the negative impact of nearby neighbors doing substandard improvements or letting things get run down. In practice, they only go after people they think they can collect a fine from…so I get hassled and have to jump through hoops to do work legally on my house, but my neighbor can build a ramshackle shack in his backyard, or turn a single-family home into a hot-sheet boarding house and zoning won’t touch him because he doesn’t have the money to pay a fine. As a result, laws that are supposed to keep standards up in a neighborhood actually work to drive them downward.

  139. ErikZ says:

    Of course they took it. They will always take things you’re not willing to fight over.

  140. Bryan says:

    Isn’t this sort of par for the course in the People’s Republic of California? My wife’s grandma had to so some similarly arbitrary stuff on her land near Heyward, which cost a lot of money. Had to plant a row of expensive redwood trees along one edge of the properties, x feet apart. They’ll probably be ordered to cut them down in a few years because the trees will be declared a nuisance.

  141. Love4ourHumans says:

    Sad… we all need to become our own lawyers. When something like this happens, we are going to have to learn the laws of the particulars of inmediatelly hire an attorney. These people can’t afford an attorney, this is why that town is getting away with it. On their meeting, was there an attorney with them??? That would have made a huge difference. Contact all tv channels for this. Use facebook now.

    OCCUPY the DESERT (in fac e book)

  142. Andrew says:

    There is no justice, there is only just us.

    What a sad reflection of a Republic we have become because of liberals.

  143. Rob Clark says:

    It has long been my assertion that if one can only afford a cardboard box, by god they should be allowed to live in it.

  144. Deon says:

    Well, in South Africa you will NOT get an NPO (charity) number, to enable you to raise funds, IF you help white people. A declaration in government was signed, saying that you will only get an NPO number, if you DO NOT assist whites with the funds. If you do help whites, you face jail time, and you will loose your NPO number.

  145. deon says:

    In South Africa charities are prohibited from assisting whites, and they will lose their NPO number, plus they will face jail time. Whites are not entitled on charity, pushed out of the workforce by a lot of goons etc. You will not get an NPO number either if you are planning to do charity work under whites.

  146. Patrick Henry says:

    Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

  147. Deb says:


  148. Ellen says:

    Please help these people to reach out to Occupy LA and other Occupy groups nearby. Use the power of community to pressure the county. Goddess bless these folks.

  149. JT says:

    LA county is the ONLY place in the S.Cal desert that has this sort of thing going on. When I inquired about getting electric to a piece of property, they told me that the 1000 ft. run would cost some $50,000 — fifty dollars per linear foot! (I can build a simple home for $50 a SQUARE foot!

    These strong-arm tactics cannot be tolerated!

  150. stoive says:

    so you guys cleaned out the natives that lived free from the land n now you are all upset cos the beau ok crazy is tellin you what not ha fukn ha. ooo it wasnt us!

    • Wil says:


  151. Doc Savage says:

    C’mon Militias…Here’s your chance to protect our own, and put into practice what you’ve been working for…This is just another way Government rule will win over us, and then we will all be slaves to this government of ours…I’m sure nobody wants this government anymore, just as the middle east people fought for Egypt so recent…It’s going to happen here soon. and this is just the trigger needed to start the ball rolling…Last nights debates were a joke…Every person running or trying to win the Rep vote says not one word of what they want to do for us… It’s just a mud slinging battle between each of them that goes on at every debate now…If we’re ever to take back our America the time is now, before they sell us out to China or some other foreign government…

  152. LOCK and LOAD! These a-holes need to be brought back to reality! Private Property is just that PRIVATE PROPERTY! Trespassers will be shot on sight! In this case the sword is mightier then the pen!

  153. colleen says:

    they absolutely have plans for redeveloping the land..there is water, etc. and population growth is going to demand expansion in LA county. this is so sad.

  154. There’s a time for talking and there’s a time for fighting and frankly across this country the day to fight is quickly approaching. Exercise your 2nd amendment and open carry if legal in your area. Let the government think twice before try oppress our rights. Give me freedom or give me death!

  155. Johnston says:

    Do something.. you know who is bullying you people out of your property rights.. Take away something from them!!!!!! Learn some law and do not let those freaks on your property or else.. Look you people have the right to “defend yourselves and your property”.. If you arm yourselves and get your neighbors / friends involved with their own vests on and weaponry it will make the “county” thugs and that is what they are thugs.. think twice… The other option is lay down and let them walk all over you… this is how I see it after watching the videos.. oh yes make videos too..

  156. saundra says:

    This is the most illegal action ever done by a state government..and I agree with most everyone on this comment’s completely for their own profit that these decent self sufficient citizens are being bullied off their own land..I am so disgusted…I lived in CA most of my life and now I’m ashamed of it…these people don’t have a chance..when it comes to millions or billions if profits..the local government wont hesitate to murder anyone who tries to defend their land and homes…they can make laws all day long to support their own greed…laws are just being made to make them richer and us poorer.. so when can the rest of us expect this to happen in our states???

  157. Conrad says:

    This happens all over the country, I have just spent the last six months in such a battle.

  158. Patricia says:

    I can’t believe that is has come to this, but then again I can. Our country is becoming communist to the point of government control. It’s a shame that the AMERICAN DREAM is being taken away from citizens who are just trying to make a way for themselves. Living off the land is the American way, but it looks like being a pioneer today is against the law. We need to start a petition on this and present it to state representatives of any state that is rejecting this way of life! The way our cities started out since the discovery of this nation is now being banned…wow! It’s all about the government not making money off these people.

  159. crosspatch says:

    This smells an awful lot like a “Sustainable Development” plan according to “Agenda 21” of the UN. Seriously. The plan is to basically depopulate the countryside and “pack and stack” people.

    Google it. Don’t take my word for anything.

  160. mal says:

    stoive is right, it was only a matter of time. they did it and still are doing it to the native americans and nobody would give a damn. now people are wondering that the greed and the fascism within the system didn’t stop in front of the “AMERICAN DREAM”. this is the american way the AMERICAN DREAM: take what you want, when you want. it was the american way when the first white settlers came to america and did not pay respect to the property of the peoples already living on the continent. it is the american way all over the world and it is the system americans supported for centuries and now you are wondering that this greedy imperialistic system is turning against yourself. it is only eating its own children. it is the result of decades of laissez-faire mentality in the US and the most comments here are proposing not to change this system or to abolish it but to strengthen it. “AMERICAN DREAM” and “LOCK and LOAD!” is what produced the kind of people sitting in the very same government which is now turning against you… but don’t mind me. i’m just pointing you out a fishy european point of view.

  161. Laura says:

    I feel like such an IDIOT!!! I actually had visions of being able to live off the grid – off my own power supply, grow and can my own food, etc. I am not a little freaked out by this whole thing! We were taught in College about how to live off the grid – our profs were living examples. (I believe they had signed their land over to a Nature Conservancy w/ the right to live on it until they died/retired to an ice flo in the Bering straights, or something). Now, Gov’t the bureaucracy is a bunch of Fascist pigs. Is this like the 60’s all over again?

  162. pete longworth says:

    Its a sad day when you feel like a man without a country. Revenge will be theirs! Justice will come by manlaw!

  163. YushudGivaschitt says:


  164. Tobias Forre says:

    Virginia has just approved Dominion Electric’s request to charge those who are off grid for a “connection fee.” This fee is for the wire that MUST, by the new law, be connected to your home, on or off grid. It can be up to $200 a month and is based on your acreage, not house size. Why does the wire need to be connected? If I’m not your customer, why should I pay you anything? Before the meltdown, I was going to install a full off-grid power system, replete with an Edison battery room, converters for both AC and DC hookups, solar and Honeywell wind towers.
    I am not in Dominion’s service area, so I’m one of the lucky ones, so far. I live in an area that has an electric co-op, but those days a quickly coming to an end. Our co-op has to buy power from Dominion, so that fee will soon appear on our doorstep, no matter the outcome of any co-op vote. My internal grid is still on hold as after my wife’s 18 month unemployment, I am now living off the gov’s teat. Anyone need help with any kind of internal combustion engine in VA? I need to get that grid built and running before it all falls down.

  165. Begin transmission…
    It’s very simple folks, I agree with Clancy (way up top), their ultimate ‘endgame’ is world depopulation (2/3 of us no less) and the ‘grid’ is yet another expendable commodity like the ‘useless eaters yet useful slaves’ they consider us to be; they will all likewise perish except they repent. Selah. These childish yet deadly tactics of forcing everyone into poverty is right on track with their diabolical destruction of the world by design and their tyrannical iron fist smashing anything in its way is in full-force now (has been since the Babylonians, really). You see, the only way you can destroy an entire world is incrementally, you can’t just ‘poof’ the whole thing cuz if you desire to see extreme suffering, massive and brutal death and revel in the drunkenness of your wrath and hatred for all life, you gotta do it in stages. The devil came only to kill, steal and destroy and that old dead dog of a serpent is just doing what he was created to do, ‘the waster was created to destroy’. Many Christians (even atheists know somethin’ funky is goin’ on these days) are now waking up to the fact that soon there will be only one choice left for ALL humans to make, very soon you will be asked, “Will you worship the beast or die?”

    This current scientific military beast grid dictatorship system is way beyond what Orwell could have dreamed up, but his warnings (although way dumbed down than what is really going on) have fallen on deaf ears to the tune of, ‘it’s fiction, not fact’. All the elites of this dying world know full well that the “Georgia Guidestones” are in fact exposing their demonic and deadly agenda – they declare that only 500 million people are needed to run this planet, the rest of us are well, basically in the way & need to be eradicated. You see, the only reason they ever allowed a ‘middle-class’ to form was because it was forced upon them, they believe that it is insane and a sin to compete (Amshel Mayer deRottenchild admitted as much), so who in their right mind would give up even a red cent of their ‘wealth’ in order for the ‘greater good’ of all. They believe they are the ‘chosen’ ones of Lucifer who one day (very soon) will rule the world in immortal bodies & shall go forth and terrify.

    I’ve studied these putrid hybrid-humanoid creatures for nearly 4yrs now, they’re called lucifereans, not to be confused with satanists, these deceived idiots believe satan is still under his angelic title of Lucifer aka light bearer aka false light bringer, who in reality is already judged guilty by God & is merely awaiting his sentencing of eternal torment & damnation to be implemented; eternal separation from Holy God is eternal death for only God is the Source of Life. I don’t really have an issue with whether or not you believe me, that is irrelevant, what matters is that these deranged psychopaths who rule the world do believe Lucifer is God! So, for all of you who don’t know, this is a war we are in, and it really is Good vs Evil, God vs Satan, Light vs Darkness and Love vs Hate; the TRUTH is the truth with or without your approbation. The history books were corrupted years ago but if you dig a lil’ bit, you will find that each time the ‘ruled class’ morale challenged the ‘ruling class’ mind-set, there had to be bloodshed; there is never anything without the blood, for the blood is the life. Most of the blood spilled was the poor downtrodden enslaved masses, however, throughout history there have always been some courageous brave souls who helped hold back the flood gates of absolute annihilation from these vampires.

    We are now in the era of ‘operation guillotine’ folks. You will soon see a cashless society, 1 world governance (even the diabolical Vatican calls for this), 1 world currency (who owns the world? Just ask the bankers & the Black pope), 1 world religion (they say that humans are the cancer on the earth that needs to be chem’d out), 1 world dictator (remember when baby-bush called for a dictatorship but only if he gets to be the dictator?) forced inoculations (vaccines kill more people every year than disease, remember most vacs are live virus’ anyways), fluoridation, synthetic composites and mass mind control social engineering programming (Orwell’s screens telling us what to think are already here folks, soft-kill weaponry is not fiction, come on, wake-up), compulsory sterilization (we are far too undesirable to be allowed to procreate at will, why do you think the eugenicists established Planned-Parenthood aka Planned your offspring’s death?), totally tyrannical laws (living off the grid will not only be impossible and illegal, it will be punishable by prison camp or death) and massive modern day concentration ‘compounds’ (for those of us who oppose the beast system) will house all the dissidents and useful slaves who can be held indefinitely (google bill-NDAA) without the right to a lawyer or even knowing what you’re being charged with, seriously, does this sound like a world you want to live in? Well it doesn’t matter, it’s what the powers that be want and an unarmed population against a heavily bio-armed military is just the saddest slaughter of sheep you will ever witness.

    But this is nothing, wait til they come with the ‘RFID’ chip for your arm or head. You see, if they stick the implant in your hand, you can cut that off and still live, but if they jam it in your head, the only way you can get off their ‘grid’ is well, decapitation. I find it is so bizarre how these repulsive miscreants who worship death always want to see heads on platters, even as far back as John the Baptist were human heads considered the greatest trophy of all – they really are possessed by demons. Their whole mind is sick, these people think their money will save them, but I know they will one day be ‘casting their gold and silver into the streets’ and crying for the rocks to fall on their dead dog heads and kill them, but death will elude them, death will mock them & smirk at their tumult; when God shall laugh at their calamity, their suffering will be like none other, their punishment will be eternal and the smoke of their burning shall rise forever. Selah.

    So on that note, what do we do? Well, most people will say just ride out the storm and ‘git ur gunz’ ready, store some food, grab some land, protect your family, yada yada yada, and this is all well for now, but the time will come and is even upon us where you will realize that if they can obliterate a city from off the face of the earth with just 1 bomb (Hiro what’ama?) then you will see there is truly only one way to live, with Hope in Jesus Christ. Now, please do not be misled, I am not religious (I reject any man-made dogma), nor am I here to convert or even promote any affiliation or denomination (like I said, I reject man’s ways) but rather I am here as His witness; basically, I don’t care what you decide, but I am compelled to warn you regardless because I refuse to have your blood on my hands when my judgment has come.

    There is only One Way out of this thing alive with your soul in tact (and I ain’t talking about your physical body at all, that is surely gonna burn), it is by repenting for sins and receiving forgiveness through the Blood of the Worthy Lamb of God. Forget everything you ever heard, read or saw concerning life on planet earth and think of it this way, ‘If I’m wrong about Jesus of Nazareth being the Saviour of Mankind who died and rose again so that we might live forever in Him, I guess when we become worm-food it won’t matter anyways, but if I’m right (like millions of my brethren also), what you lose is your very soul – forever. The whole point of this war is for your soul, your mind is the battlefield and your body is the cannon fodder but do not be deceived, your soul is the true crown; either satan gets it or Jesus does, please remember, no matter what, Love conquers all. Amen.

    1. Men who observe lying vanities, forsake their own mercy.

    2. He (the 1 world dictator coming on the scene very shortly) causes ALL both great and small to receive the mark of the beast (666), that NO MAN might buy or sell without the mark and those who refuse to worship him shall be killed.

    3. You too shall likewise perish, except you repent.

    ~End of these Days yet World without End~….. End transmission…

    • yugoslav says:

      Wow, you nailed the worlds situation 100 percent. I grew up in socialist yugoslavia and like socialist eastern europe it taught me love, happiness and gave me spirit, even today that spirit lives in the people, even after the bombings of nato, civil wars and economic embargos people have spirit and love in their hearts, we don’t have ghettos and crime just because people are poor, we live together and socialize, we belive in jesus christ , here there have been many cases where a rich man loses a bag with 10,000 euro and a poor pesant that has nothing to eat returns it because it dose not belong to him. We have love for our fellow man and pray to god, only recently have things started to change with western/ american investors, but I pray my people will stay the same, my onlu message is show love to your fellow man, help him, live together and don’t compete with eachother, when there is no class divide its a beautiful life : )

    • Wil says:

      Wow….this gets the ‘required’response of….”What the Fuck!”

    • Wil says:


    • Wil says:

      Hey….dude….I think you qualify for SSI diability, if you file under DSM III, diagnostic category of ‘AFU’. It is a relatively new disorder, shall we say, very recent. There are 800 numbers to call in your area. It will take you 2 years of diability to qualify for medicare, in order to get your medications.

      • seth datta says:

        Actually Wil, you qualify under DSM V for being given ‘psychosis’ and ‘narcissistic personality disorder’. I suggest you stop talking in real life before you get admitted to a mental institution.

  166. Steve Voss says:

    Fascinatingly disgusting, turns my stomach. Can’t even believe these thieves of freedom can live with themselves. The only remedy is for the victims to deny their opressors the “sanction
    of the victim”: don’t cave, make it a big deal. Go all the way. What have they to lose except what is already taken?

  167. Landon says:

    I love Phonehenge! It’s like the ultimate tree house from when you’re a kid and have all those dreams of living in a tree house all your life! How awesome! That’s sad that we live in a world today that has to revolve around permits, codes, and zoning, just so the county can make their budgets work. :(
    I know I’m just one person, but my advice from my experience… If you want to live off the grid, Southeast Alaska is the place to do it! Officials understand that living off the land is how you survive. It is beautiful country, and there is nothing better than waking up in the morning with the Alaska wilderness sitting on your front porch!!
    And no, I could NOT see Russia from my house! ;)

  168. Jamie says:

    It is not Public Health Care and things like that you need to fear. It is the issue around business being tied to public polices. Medical to pharmaceuticals, oil and gas to energy the dollar. the dollar is based on oil not gold now and that is the bottom line.

    This is all wrong and I do not know what the answer is. However we must not give up. We must not confuse issues either.
    Knowledge, knowledge, knowledge.

  169. James Surber says:

    I have 20 acres in N.central Wa. and have some trouble ,the gov’ all corporations,want me to pay to have elec.brough to me and tell me I’ll get back any $ if some one closer to the hookup ties in later.Then told if they wait 5years to hook into the line I supplied They don’t have to pay.Ive been in the construction industry my whole career and just want to build my cabin on my land that I bought I payed for .then of course they say that I’m contaminating the water supply below if I don’t have an approved septic,at a mere cost of 20-30k.and let us not forget water.they say I can’t even collect water I have to have a well!Hmm,My property is at 2700 ft elevation,who the hell are they to tell me anything.They weren’t there for me when I needed them,they’re not really there now,Let me explain,Ive been forced into retirement due to health,given an income for the rest of my life,medicare pays most of my I shouldn’t complain right!Well even with a guaranteed income for the first time in my life suddenly I can’t get a loan for anything,and if I make too much $ in any given time they don’t agree with they’ll take my income too.I purchased this parcel becuse of it’s location,I don’t see how ANYTHING short of storing toxic waste,oh sorry they’re the ones storing that all over everywhere.I can’t see anything ever leaving my land and even affecting the environment.(that’s why I don’t want to live ON-GRID they get paid to trash OUR planet and want to punish those who don’t help pay they’re fair share to help pollute!The world would put in as many homes as they could on this parcel,Right after I finish paying all they’re improvement costs,and I hope ruining the area I chose happens long after I’m gone and costs them more than it’s worth,until then me ,my children and they’res will have an oasis of filth free land and I hope the govm’nt begins helping our citizens to continue these kinds of projects and be less concerned about how many tax dollars they might lose if they help.

  170. Justin Sage says:

    This is why people know tax money is robbery. It’s taken by force and used against you.

  171. Rob says:

    Bureaucracy at work, California has the worst reputation for being high on property taxes. If you own land they’ll take that away from you.

  172. TalkTalkTalk says:

    How many of you have actually done anything in your own area to protect personal rights? Even the Tea Party people, such as in Illinois, freely voted against personal rights and then scratched their heads when you call them on it. Just this year the General Assembly voted near unanimously to eliminate several religious rights. They don’t even read the stuff they are voting on, but fear they won’t be re-elected for another term. That’s the kind of fortitude most of us seem to have. It’s like having two faces on the same talking head. One complains about the issue, the other explains why he couldn’t do anything about it. We have a lot of analyzers and commentators in America, but few doers. Get out there on the front lines and put your feet where your mouth wants us to think you are. Get active. Start writing challenges to what is wrong, get your voice in the press, show up at meetings, boo and cheer, wear a banner, make phone calls, write pamphlets, get in their faces, threaten to vote them out, campaign against them, hold their feet to the fire, and be willing to handle a few hundred defeats before you win a battle. A battle won is a Right protected. Don’t do like the talking heads in Illinois do. Be the person – in person – that you are here on this forum. Now let’s hear what you all have done to back your words. That’s America!

  173. Land Patent Junkie says:

    Land Patents … are you kidding? Many folks have lost their homes to that scam, going back to the beginning of the movement in the early 90s. A land patent ‘opens’ your land to the government. You need to ‘close’ the land, but the corporation does not acknowledge that either. They will take whatever they want. When you try any of these theories, you will lose, 99% of the time. I know two parties that gave up their land to ‘patent’ theory. One in Florida, one in Wisconsin. They lost it all. I think talktalktalk is right. You have to get in their faces and call them out in public as often as you can. Bad press for them is good press for your cause. And never send a toothless idiot to be your spokesperson or front man. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When you look like them, they will think that you think like them. Some of you would rather forsake a haircut and a shave in preference to losing your whole life’s work. One thing I noticed in the videos is that the enemy tries to demonize us by our apparent weaknesses. If your weakness is that you have little respect for yourself, then that will be your downfall, not your property. Your book is judged by its cover when on the bookshelf. After you are sure you can keep it, then you can spill all the coffee on it you want. Don’t expect respect if you don’t give any either. Sorry for that diversion, but what you see is what you get most the time.

  174. repairman says:

    End Days Watchman – I think your transmission is missing a gear. However, if you dump the Hollywood spin of your screenplay, there are some facts. I hope we can all see you at the next town meeting before Comet Hale-Bopp returns. Otherwise, get your radio a set of new batteries. It’s hard to pick you up.

  175. Cathy Fenner says:

    The government has gone crazy and so has its officials.ha ha i think our country is going to the dogs.

  176. So get involved in your government, while it is still a democracy.

    If it is the corporate fascism you hate, you should be coming out against republicans.

    But what you really care about is your religious bigotry,and right to discriminate, isn’t it?

    These people whine about corporate power, while they want to vote for Libertarians and Republican Bigots who would enforce their religion on our personal lives, and deregulate corporate power?

    Government is the only entity that can organize for the middle class and protect the people against the corporate and religious powers that are in opposition to the freedom of the people throughout history.

    You idiots need to realize that, and quit letting republicans win.

    • Wil says:

      Getting hot ?…..Uh oh…..I smell the burning flesh….and the knashing of teeth…”idiots” ?
      LOL….only an idiot would reject God….but that excuse won’t do you a bit of good…better turn, before you burn!

  177. Nathan Villarante says:

    How about some action? Give us a petition to sign or the names, emails and telephone numbers of county officials?

  178. Terry says:

    Future NATO-Bio Diversity zone?

  179. Objective Observer says:

    Just to be a little objective here….

    The documentary video’s constant usage of the word “Government”, as well as the statement that “Government Officials from Across the Country” are forming abatement teams and that living off the grid without government assistance is some sort of crime, is extremely misleading.

    Los Angeles County is not the rest of the United States, nor does its laws and practices reflect what’s going on in the rest of the country, regardless of how Los Angelenos, or Californians for that matter perceive themselves.

    It would have been more accurate to say “County Government Officials” or make the emphasis that this was a particular State and County issue than to use the word “Government” as a blanket statement.

    Living off the grid without government assistance is by no means a crime in Arizona, and I’m more than confident that it’s not a crime in many other states.

    Let’s remember that we’re talking about The People’s Republic of California here.
    What else would you expect? It’s an entirely different world over there. Totally disconnected from the rest of the United States of America.

    You want your freedom? Move the hell out of California.

    • michele says:

      I live in California…and what the hell do you mean…We have stiffer laws and more

      • Ryan says:

        not sure what he/she means but i’m guessing the nice person is talking about how California is an unconstitutional corrupt bureaucracy. sure the rest of america is but California is at the top of the unconstitutional corrupt bureaucratic as far as states go.

  180. michele says:

    Is this not America,then this must mean that our forefathers were all criminals

    • Wil says:

      Okay….wtf…seriously..WTF…this IS America. Our forefathers were brilliant. Isn’t apparant that most people today are stupid?…..Let me clear that up for you Michele…wtf!. Just sayin..

  181. Anita says:

    I live in a very small and very economically challenged town in the eastern part of the US…where two years ago I got a fine for $75 for having a MOP on my front porch. Yes, a mop. An armed code enforcement officer (“this is dangerous work, ma’am”) knocked on my door and told me that no sanitation equipment was allowed to be displayed. When I asked to see the law he told me I was welcome to go to city hall and ask to see it.

    Although I fought this — and won — it didn’t stop them from trying to enforce all SORTS of weird laws they passed, including one that forbids the presence on your property of any plant that causes an odor or attracts any insects. In other words….mint plants, roses (dangerous for people in the yard, they attract lady bugs and have thorns), etc.

    This last year they’ve laid off a bit, I suspect I wasn’t the only one who went nuts.

  182. Rod says:

    In the second Video it showed a letter of the LA County Department of Public works, Notice of Order. If Mr. Antonaviches Press Secretary says that they have had code violation complaints from Neighbors in the area it looks to me that all neibous where at attendance of the meeting they had, is this right? If so WHO WHERE THESE NEIGHBORS THAT WHERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS??? Did any one ask for posted or written letters of these neighbors, from the LA County Department of Public works or office of Mr. Antonovich or other agencies that made these allegations of neighborly complaints to please produce them!!! Also, Is there anyone living in the area that is not being harassed by the local County. Why is it that an elected County official does not have to answer to his own zoning laws that the County is contesting of these people?

    • Sevag says:

      Why do you not succeed and make it separate County and a Separate City that uses different private firms, consultants, organizations to go through the permit process.

      • Harold Dean says:

        That was tried numerous times during the eleven year span I lived In Quartz Hill Calfornia from 1980-1991 and was beaten down each time by the big money interests who were only interested in developing walled communities in the high desert after they had already built us a prison populated by LA city scum and then built government housing to bring up the rest of their familes, importing crime where there was none before. Antonivich was supervisor along with Baxter Ward. When Ward left office mad mike started his rampage.

  183. Oso says:

    this is total bullshit.

    i don’t live off the grid but they should be able.

  184. Judith says:

    I find it interesting that the most liberal states are the most oppressive. CA should not be used as an example for the rest of us except to quickly realize we don’t want their liberal ideas in the rest of the country. Here in Texas – we’re proud of our independence and will fight to keep it. I know conservative people in liberal states, so my question is “Why can’t they turn things around?” If the liberal stranglehold is that strong (and it appears it is) it should send a very strong message to the rest of us to never, never vote liberal (and that can include both parties.)

    • bert says:

      Because, in my opinion, liberals are actually totalitarians. A traditional conservative is a true liberal, just like Ron Paul. I know these are only titles but that is the way I feel about it.

  185. Eden Calhoun says:

    they should band together and form their own county and petition the state to support their choice

  186. Jennifer says:

    This is bullshit. People need to know there rights and stand up to them. The gov’t doesn’t have that much pull over us. It’s WE THE PEOPLE not the GOV”T we need to stand up for what is ours.

  187. Lisa says:

    I’d tear it down the day before they came for it. If they’re going to pull that crap, they’re not going to take it and then flip it after some common fix-ups.

  188. kim mccracken says:

    I feel the same as all of you. i want to live off the grid. i do not see how voting is doing us any good here. they elect who they want an our votes no longer count. i was thinking why couldn’t we all live like the Amish do . i am not Amish but there way of life seems pretty laid back an off the grid to me … just some of my thoughts about this , how if anyone was interested could we go about doing this ??

  189. Beth says:

    This is more bullying from the FEDS. Think WACO and Ruby Ridge. I think they are testing the waters to see how far they can push us. They sure don’t want anybody independent of the government. They are usurping their authority everywhere. They have arrested people in Utah for having artifacts, even though it is not illegal if they are taken off of private land. But they don’t seem to care about legal or “Constitutional” anymore. I sure hope Ron Paul gets in, he is the only candidate who upholds the Constitution unswervingly. We must stand together or be torn apart!

  190. David in Hawaii says:

    What’s somewhat astonishing in our area of Hawaii is that those who years ago chose to live off the grid are now demanding that we, the “grid community”, build, clean and maintain bathroom facilities for those off the grid!!

  191. Jean-Paul Lefaivre says:

    What the companies will do for their God Money.They should be ashamed of themselves for being so greedy.If there are petitions out there let me know I will post links so people can sign them.We have to put the Big Shot Government officials in their proper places.Jean-Paul Lefaivre

  192. Litigant Researcher says:

    The ULTIMATE solution: TAKE BACK YOUR STATUS as FREE men and women! STOP being a voluntary SERVANT U.S. citizen! That is where all their control comes from! If we all check out of SERVITUDE, and LEARN how to live as REaL men and women, then their control would be ABOLISHED! It’s all about being a NATIONAL at the very least. Get Johnny Liberty’s e-book and read about CHANGING your STATUS! Also, read up on the EXECUTOR status; it is the highest office in commerce that takes away their power as illegitimate ‘agent’ controlling YOUR EStATE because you are LOsT at SEA, and presumed DEaD! This is why they run over us like they do! We do not know who we are! KNOW THYSELF MAN!!!!

  193. wayne says:

    There was a comment from a guy looking to do container homes in i think it was india or somewhere abroad and was looking for information but his comment is no longer in the comments. can anyone tell me why his comment is no longer in here. his id name was abs1968@yahoo or Ashish Bhasin. I am just wondering if there is a reason he is no longer in here if he might be what you would consider bad company. Thanks


    Well we all know what this is all leading to don’t we. One world goverment, enforced by UN soldiers. As was once said “I know what course others may take but for me “give me liberty or give me death””. If you don’t want to fight for your freedom or liberty then have a nice life at your local “Family Relocation Center”. As for me and mine we have enough stored food for 2 years. Lots of firearms and the where with all to use them. about 2 million rounds of ammo and the ability to reload a bunch more. Land waaaaaay of the grid. With water and decent soil. If they come for me it had better be a high altitude airstrike.

    • w8qf says:

      Amen brother, I have 3 separate totally off grid locations in 3 states.No, I don’t even need gasoline, I have a truck that runs off of wood gas and I heat and cook with methane from my black water tanks, my fridge even runs on methane. The government does not need their nose that far up our rear ends.

  195. MMC says:

    Can they get land patents?

    • w8qf says:

      Why, these people already own their land. A land patent is for staking claim of ownership of public land which has had a moratorium on it since 1984.

  196. Johnpp2 says:

    This is really not surprising. Most issues facing off grid dwellers are usually newer residents who regard the independent folks as backward suspicious and fringe. Therefore also have greater sway in voting in local governmental clerks, health,building and other. Various agents of power tend to use all manner of code violations in order to force out the off gridders in the name of greater community benifits.
    Far easier to concoct scheme of code violator and threaten individual with jail or unreasonal fine and forfeiture than respecting their rights. Unfortunately this seem to be played out all across the country and there is very little the courts are willing to do about it since the courts are not about constitutional garantees anymore.

  197. ryan says:

    this is the scariest video i have ever seen. they’ve gone on done it now. they said the forbidden 9 words. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’by Ronald Reagan.
    if what this guy says is true than at least 50 million Americans are going to die. god help us all

  198. w8qf says:

    This is Obama’s socialist participation in the un-Constitutional Agenda 21 program. The only reason he hasn’t been assassinated already is because Biden is even worse than he is.

  199. Nelson Dalton says:

    Must read Agenda 21 to understand what is happening

  200. justin says:

    hey I was wondering I am currently in school now to be a nurse. my goal is to graduate and move off the grid with the skills I have aquired to help take care of people. I am a novice seeker of off the grid info and most websites funny enough are just trying to get me to buy more shit under the veil of “off the grid information”. I really want to pursue this but as I have no land and little money how can I realize this goal. Any help here would be greatly appreciated i.e. legit websites info etc. thanks P.S. I really want to find some sort of co-op as I enjoy the company of others and would not want to be an isolationist.

    • A Discerning Fellow says:

      Justin (the nursing student),

      Couple of things come to mind. You may want to check into the Peace Corps as they do have opportunities like what you are seeking though you may have to request off the grid conditions should you attempt to apply. It’s also competitive, but it’s one option for you to look into. Other than that if you’re in school you have time to look around. The only trouble I foresee is how much of your time do you want to spend nursing. In some places that may be all you do, but it requires going where need is constant. However, if you don’t mind only nursing when it’s needed then your options maybe a little more open. i.e. a off the grid community or those looking to build a off the grid community that may need your nursing services only occasionally.

      • A Discerning Fellow says:

        Couple other things came to mind. You might be able to offer your services to expeditions though expeditions are more like camping than off the grid. Also, similar to the Peace Corps you may be able to arrange a deal with various remote/off the grid locations to visit and live long enough to do whatever nursing is needed then move on to the next location. So, guess you should also consider rather you want a permanent or temporary location. Wish you luck, and I think you’ll probably be able to find what you’re looking for so long as it’s something you truly want. Just keep pursuing it.

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