Off Grid Attack: EPA To Outlaw Many Wood Burning Stoves

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wood burning stoveOur ever so helpful government has decided that your wood burning stove is now a danger to the world. In another attempt to outlaw the off grid lifestyle, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the same agency that was recently caught using drones to spy on Americans, is now going after home owners who use Wood Burning Stoves to heat their homes.

Shortly after the re-election of President Obama, the agency announced new radical environmental regulations that threaten to effect people who live off the grid. The EPA’s new environmental regulations reduce the amount of airborne fine-particle matter from 15 micrograms to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air.

This means that most wood burning stoves would now fall into a class that would deemed unacceptable under these new draconian measures. The EPA has even launched a nifty new website called burn wise to try to sway public opinion.

On their site, while trying to convince people to get rid of their old stoves and buy the new EPA-certified stoves, they state that these older stove must be scraped and cannot be resold.

From the EPA Site:

The local air pollution agency says I can’t sell my old wood stove to help pay for an EPA-certified wood stove.  Why is that?
Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else.  For this reason, wood stove change out programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.

Let’s hope this doesn’t fall under the jurisdiction of the newly created Department of Homeland Security Environmental Justice Units? The next thing you know we might all be getting a knock at the door….. Your Neighbor reported that you might be burning some wood, do you mind if we take a look around?

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  1. Karen Marie Vela says:

    flat out bullshit! what about those who live in the wilderness and cannot afford to heat any other way.F the EPA and the govt!

    • jim says:

      amen karen

      • Bob says:

        They have crossed the line, we need more people willing to take the current system down and replace it with a constitutional Government

        • lee mattocks says:

          We have a Constitutional Government-”We the People” are the Government, it is just that we have put the wrong people in there for 40 years too long.

          • Clive says:

            Actually, you dont have a constitutional government. Most Americans mistakenly live in the democracy of the united states of America and not the republic of the united states. There has been no sitting government of the Constitutional republic. What you think is your government is the government of the democracy of the united states of america, a foreign private corporation from London England, the corporation that your president is the CEO of. Know who you are.

          • George says:

            Bingo Clive, you nailed it! Now if we could just get the other 300 million sheep to open their eyes and see the wolf..

          • Penny says:

            amen on opening the eyes of the sheep. So many are walking around with blinders on.

          • Shannon says:

            The “mass” is either naive when elections come up or lazy and just vote for the best BSer. Sad to think when you look around. It doesn’t help that candidates often change their agendas once in office. Who would know a lie for a lie until the person gets their foot in the door?

          • RJH says:

            not so much BLINDERS, but the other 300 million are part of the system….feeding off the tit of our government, therefore you would be hard pressed to get them to release it, since they depend so heavily on it for thier livlihood….which is BS, more of them need to be independent and take responsibility for thier own lives and actions….big government doesnt work

          • joeyj says:

            the problem is that we put people in some sort of office to begin with. we ought not give anyone position anywhere,we are to govern ourselves or this will happen again and again.

        • Gus gustifer says:

          We used to have a government, but lost that when the elections became a sham. The ass in my whitehouse has no intention of harming his henchmen. The battle is on, and some are rising up, yet not enough. Wake up people bitching on the net does nothing but teach them how to stop us.

          • Mememe says:

            It is not just THIS ass in the white house, it is every ass for the past 60+ years and probably every ass for NEXT 60+ years. This isn’t new, this has been going on longer than most of us have been alive.

          • dude says:

            We need to educate the uneducated. We the people have the power to impeach him, but only Congress has the power to actually do the job. *** CONTACT YOUR CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN, TELL THEM TO IMPEACH BO. CALL THEM AND E-MAIL THEM OFTEN.*** If they don’t listen, fire them next year! We have the power!!!

        • Adele says:

          They have cross the line a long time ago! It’s too late! all we can do is not to give them any more life, No more breeding!!!! they will run out of people to kill and to exploit! By reducing considerable their markets to 0! Just like some animals who are now in extinction! That’s the only solution!

          • mia says:

            If only it were that easy. They actually want to stop most breeding, so the few remaining will be easier to control. It’s not about money, it’s about having the power of life and death. They want only enough slaves to serve their needs. A better idea would be to pop out babies free from TV, public school, and social programming, who are raised without toxins, vacs, GMO’s, and who will then have a functioning brain to start a new, healthy society. We need critical thinking, independent citizens.

          • Penny says:

            Good idea Adele, accept they are imposing a new curriculum on the American people for schooling our kids. They want to impose this Common Core Curriculum even on the home schoolers.

          • Momma says:

            Penny, the word you meant is “except” which is entirely different from “accept.” I hope you teach your kids the different spellings and meanings of various words. I homeschool too! And I understand that super-intelligent people are sometimes bad spellers, but since it’s easy for people online to judge us in that department, it’s worth trying extra hard… even though one may not be naturally inclined in that subject. All the best!

          • tina says:

            Very interesting discussion…until the lady with the spelling lecture.
            Adele, loved your comment but I agree with mia. Mass breed and raise independent, creative minded, hard working, honest, Christian generations. When these dumb butts are too old to run the government our hell could end with a new better generation willing to fight for the Constitution, true freedom, and the people.

          • Ty says:

            There is also the fact that all governments fall after a couple of hundred years, its like clockwork, the only government that somewhat worked was when the heads of family’s met together for a counsel meeting to find out what was next for the group. The rest they did on their own and at their own discretion.

        • Bob Velon says:

          Yes they have crossed the line and it isn’t the first time nor will it be the last….. I heat with wood from an old stove we bought in the 70′s..We could not afford propane to heat our home so I guess I’ll just use it until they come here and tell me I can’t use it….

          • Enter your name... says:

            I am a single-mom and barely get by every month. In january, my 20-year old heat pump went out, and i could not afford to have it repaired at the 2000.00 estimate. We used wood stove (largest fisher one they made in 1970′s). It saved us….3000 sq ft house, and we wore short-sleeves inside. Even going to work and school, the fire only went out ONCE during a 5-week period….it saved us, and we had “withdrawal” when heat pump finally repaired, b/c not nearly as warm and cozy as we had gotten used to…used dutch oven and made many nice meals in there, too….gov’t is trying to take away all means of survival except to depend on them, and be controlled

          • Barb says:

            When we bought our home, many things were taken into consideration and counted as part of the cost.

            On the positive side, it’s heated with a wood burning buck stove.

            Not being able to use it would add a minimum of $150 to the power bill every month.

            That’s just not going to happen!

            I’ll bet my stove adds less particles to the air than then chemtrails and Air Force One.

            If they stop spraying and park the beast, I’ll find another way to heat my home.

            And making it harder for off the grid families, who are very frugal and green, makes a lie out of their concern for the environment.

            Oh wait, that’s what they do…lielielie!

          • tina says:

            We tried to NOT use our wood stove. Electric bill was $800 in January. We are a 1 income family & can not afford a new wood stove either. They better either dig natural gas lines everywhere (themselves), start giving out solar panels or wind mills, pay peoples heat bills…or shut the heck up. They don’t own us or our homes. Its just a trick to keep us down & poor & dependent on them & their adgendas. I am so mad right now! Grrr.

        • Scot says:

          Too many liberals rely on the govmt. already, may be too late

          • Ed H says:

            Time to get rid of liberals, just to balance everything out….

        • jeffrey says:

          You got it Bob.

        • chris says:

          Absolutely right! Not all of us are like sheep willing to be voluntarily led to slaughter. The constitution says it is the right if the people to change or replace the system when it becomes unworkable. It has been unworkable for a long damn time. Stay strong brother!

        • gene says:

          We had a Constitution. The people you mention have methodically destroyed it, though they use it to control peole. The House is not originating spending bill, there are departments that do not exist in the framework, the President just makes edicts and Congress does nothing. The Supreme Court is mostly “packed” as FDR desired. etc etc. Even with new people, the structure has to be rebuilt.

      • Ginny says:

        you don’t need to be “off the grid” I just like the feel of a cozy wood burning stove & it supplements my regular gas heat. This government is WAY out of line.

        • Joe says:

          Does this mean all the politicians are going to brick up their fireplaces?

      • bryan says:

        Maybe one of thoes assholes might fit in my stove if he bothers me.

    • Luciferius Legion says:

      I am off the grid, miles from anywhere and my woodstove is all I have to heat the home. I am glad I left and moved to Canada, it is getting too crazy in the US. What next, a ban on wells so you have to use city poisoned water?

      • Lee says:

        Collecting rain water in some States is already illegal, so check your utility bills regularly as they do not notify you of this charge. Google it.

      • Steve says:

        IF you live in the city and they have city water.. you get city water, whether you need it or not. Sewer too. I lived in Argentine MI and the city told a lady with a brand new 15000 engineered septic she was getting city sewer and she would get a bill whether she used it or not. Welcome to Amerika.

      • Joe says:

        It’s getting crazy here in Canada too. You must have approved wood pellet woodstoves on the island of Montreal and there are talks to make things even more difficult in the years to come. The sad thing is that people buy this propaganda. While it’s true that wood burning contributes to smog, I doubt this form of particulate is harmfull. I would like to see a real study. I grew up on woodstoves and camp fires. I’m an “environmentalist,” but I feel this has more to do with keeping us dependent on the system.

        • Rob B says:

          When municipalities STOP burning municipal waste and stop polluting the water maybe I would consider their point. Remember clean burning gas now comes from fracking, a method of gas extraction which pollutes the aquifers and destroys natural rock formations which may cause our very foundation to become unstable

          • bill says:

            That is a lie. There is no evidence of this. Believing what you want is great, but creating your own facts is mo0rally wroung. Fracking has been going on for more than 50 years, with no evidence4 of damage.

          • mia smith says:

            No, Bill, what YOU say is a lie. Fracking is polluting the groundwater.

          • Larry says:

            Their is no proof of modern fracking being harmful// a 1929 ford was not real safe either. Lets just buy all our oil from country’s that hate us so they can buy more weapons to kill us

          • The Old Coach says:

            Mia, even the Feds now admit that the claims about groundwater pollution are untrue. If you still believe there’s a problem, come to my neighborhood. I have at least six fracking wells within five miles of me. One is only a mile away. The only complaint we’ve got is that the heavy truck traffic was hard on some of our rural roads. The only “spill” we’ve had is an erroneous discharge of brine (gasp, salt water) into a small pond.

        • Jose says:

          Absolutely; that way the only fuel you can get you’ll have to buy from “them”.

        • joe says:

          Years back it was CO, hydrocarbons & acid rain that was the problem and we needed to plant trees recycle the CO2. Now CO2 and particulates are the problem? Not to mention how it’s our fault and NOT the fault of the rest of the world using open fires indoors or China creating yellow smog.

          • Ty says:

            Well if you go with the point of fires and that they give off carbon emissions, and trees make carbon dioxide into oxygen. Then what about all the Jungle being torn up for Starbucks. More trees less carbon emmisions in the air.

      • 3Ghoulies says:

        We have already lost the right to have wells. I live in a semi-rural area and the local water co owns all the rights and we are not allowed to have wells.

      • S says:

        I wouldn’t put it past them to try it. At the end of the day though,….for all of this stuff….only one answer is appropriate. The rifle.

      • Ryan says:

        They already ban wells! I live in Wisconsin, in a town of 356 people. Its illegal to have a well within village limits. I have to be hooked up to there water supply. And they cherge peoples sewer by how much water we use, not by whats actualy going in the sewer.

        • Ron says:

          Not agreeing with forced use, but sewage meters are very expensive compared to water meters, for obvious reasons. Many municipalities pro-rate seasonally to allow for lawn watering etc.

        • mELISA says:

          Wells within municipalities is illegal in most states, including Illinois where I live.

      • heath says:

        The FED are bored so they are making up rules for something to do!!!!

    • Gary says:

      There is a loophole in the Regulation. Any woodstove or wood cookstove built before 1941 is exempt. We just bought 2, one built in 1909 and the other in 1921. We have our eye on a Monarch Malleable 1899 #2 cookstove. But we are going to have to save our pennies for that one.

      • Off Grid Survival says:

        Thanks Gary…. We were trying to find out if there were any loop holes so thank you for the info!

        • Gus gustifer says:

          The only loophole that will be effective is at the tip of a barrel.

          • backpackergirl says:

            Yeah and they are trying to take the right of self-protection away too.

        • Patrick Rohrbach says:

          NO loophole is needed. The EPA are “employees” of our “employees” so all they do is moot, except for the sheeple who believe the programming lies. That politicians/employees” are leaders and lawmakers for their “EMPLOYERS” Whomever comes to my door to take my stove OR ANYTHING ELSE WILL BE DOG FOOD

          • Sam says:

            Right on Patrick….way to end canine hunger….Fido’s gonna be one happy puppy!!

      • Crystal says:

        So they are saying the stoves are’t environmentally friendly but then have an excemption for the really old ones? How does that make sense?

        • David says:

          Think about all of the historic buildings that have wood burning stoves and fireplaces. They are used frequently as displays of history. EPA would get too much flack from that. Plus, the White House has the old ones, I believe.

        • Tom says:

          It’s simple: Affordability

      • Jose says:

        Regulations are not laws. That could change on at the whim of some department director or Sec’y of (Interior, HHS, Energy…) All they would have to do is find that it “impacts” the environment, health, commerce, or whatever.

      • Nice to know. I have an old Monarch six plate wood cookstove I have had in storage for the last twenty years.
        Heh.

    • Sonya Anderson says:

      That is truly the worst. Our home is heated solely by an outside wood-fired boiler. It is our sole source of heat. The EPA can certainly have it but they will be paying to have it replaced. Despots are in the white house.

    • John says:

      Ya right, this is totally inaccurate and an outright lie. Delete this article.

      • Rebelwithaclause says:

        TROLL

    • sharon Jones says:

      they do not care..there is only one answer..Buckwheat has to go!!

    • Mo says:

      That’s the point. You’re to move closer to the city where you’re easier to control.

    • John Demers says:

      A few years ago when my children were still at home and growing up I totally heated my home in the winter with wood stoves. That was the only way I could afford tuition for my kids to go to a private Christian School.

    • Dave says:

      This is just another way to stop us from being self supportive. They want us to support big oil and big businesses. I’ll stick with my old all nighter air tight that heats our whole house on an armload of wood a day. I removed my furnaces 5 years ago and have no intention of replacing it.

    • Tim says:

      Yup, Already happening here in Ca. (What a surprise huh) Under the guise of ‘Spare the Air days” Not only are neighbors spying on you but they have actually created smoke patrols riding around in government cars looking for smoking chimney’s. First offense? $200 Reminds me of stories I’ve heard from a friend from the former Czechoslovakia under Communism your neighbors would spy on you and turn you in. We’re not far behind my friends.

      • Sunny says:

        ironically, smoke patrols riding around in government(tax-payer funded) cars are polluting the very air they are paid to keep clean.

    • johnny says:

      sounds like the only real choice is more bon fires… now there’s a safe alternative (sarcasm).

      • Phil says:

        A properly set campfire is actually cleaner than a car from the 90′s, just a fun fact for ya.

    • L H Lapham says:

      They can have my stove when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. I’m tired of the Administration trying to run my life, and the life of my family. They also want it to be illegal under OSHA regulations for my boys to work on the ranch, claiming its too dangerous. If the current administration had half the sense of my kids when they learned to drive the tractor at 8 years old, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are now. Just no common sense in Washington these days.

    • scott says:

      To understand what they mean,all you need to do is go to the epa website and look up the new regs on air quality on Dec 14 2012. Its over 770 pages long and is like the Obama care bill.Example,They stick something in line 3 of paragraph 4 on page 512 that is relevant yet subject to interpretation.Whose interpretation is anyones guess but the whole concept of how they make all these laws,regulations and states is ludicrous.The object is to baffle them with bullshit yet leave a loophole in case some genius actually reads the entire thing and understands it

    • professor says:

      We are totally off grid and make our own minimal electricity. Burning wood is our only option. Please wake me when this bad dream is over.

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    • FRANK SCONZO says:

      SIMPLE ENOUGH! ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS GET OFF MY PROPERTY WITH MY SHOTGUN CHASING THEM. THIS IS STILL A FREE COUNTRY!

      • gin says:

        Unfortunately your wrong. There is no such thing as freedom in this country. All we are allowed is to listen to the dictators who wont even read the laws they are passing and continue to pay their salaries even when they are out of office. What needs to happen is for every politician to revert to community health care and have to go find a job like everyone else after their term is up. Their positions where never meant to be full time.

        • Noyb says:

          The government that we have is our fault! We, as a people, voted for them. whether it be right or left, it doesn’t matter. Our leaders are mush, our children uneducated and misguided. No ethics, morals, or sense of right or wrong exists! I honestly believe we gave it away!Nikita Kruschev was right. “We won’t have tio invade you. We’ll be invited!”

    • Nes says:

      This is NOT going to affect the people who ALREADY HAVE wood burning stoves (ie: older homes). They’re trying to make it so that new homes can’t have them. Bullshit? Yes. But make sure you *really* read the article carefully!

    • aremis says:

      yes that be us…..all we have and dont forget excec order that says all resourses can be siezed labor thats yours water piped homes food all
      resources signed 2012

    • milidude says:

      hey epa…… what about all the radiation contamination we got hit with from fukushima on 03/11/2011???
      why no mitigation or followup on your epa site for radiation testing and or public warning???
      this govt agency like all the others is a fraud.
      STOP TRUSTING YOUR GOVT.

      put them on the grill by asking these tough questions on why they are mum on the continuing radiation contamination we are receiving from fukushima/to hell with your regulations on wood stoves, when something as egregious as fukushima remains an ongoing cover-up with your epa agency tyranny.

    • Steve says:

      Here Mr. EPA man, my stove is in my cellar. No, after you, sir. WHACK! Compost anyone?

    • greg says:

      It’s really not that bad. If you need a new stove, go buy one and it won’t need as much wood to keep you warm nor will it pollute as much as your old stove. No one will know what you do with your old stove, so don’t worry about it. If your old stove is working fine quit complaining, the EPA isn’t coming for your stove.

      The more efficient stoves will emit fewer pollutants leading to cleaner air, few visits to the emergency room for asthmatics, fewer cases of lung cancer, fewer problems for people with emphysema and other lung problems, higher national economic output and my health insurance bills will be lower. Your chimneys should also be less likely to catch fire or need cleaning. Everyone wins.

      To those that say they live in the wilderness, who are they affecting, a couple thoughts come to mind. 1) I live in a semi-rural county with a couple hundred thousand people, many of whom don’t have natural gas. Many of us supplement our oil/propane heat with wood or pellets. The cleaner burning stoves will improve our air and our lives. 2) Pollution travels. The US breathes and receives the pollution from Chinese coal fired electric plants. You may feel like you are in the middle of nowhere but it doesn’t mean you have escaped the the poisons of civilization or that your behavior doesn’t affect others.

      • Richard Lemire says:

        Greg, you are totally full of BS. Do your research and you will learn that burning a tree produces the same amount of emissions as it does rotting out on the forest floor. This is not about truth it is about control.

      • JohnnyO says:

        Greg, I pity you. I really do. I have lived in a house heated by a wood stove my whole life. So did my dad, and his dad before him. We don’t have any of the problems that you have listed. We never have. In fact, we are healthier than all of our friends and neighbors who don’t heat their homes with with wood. So, in the future, please refrain from making ridiculus posts like you did here.

        • Randall says:

          Actually my roof is covered with soot form my neighbor’s burning wood. I fear this pollution is aggravating my autistic child’s condition. BTW I’m a tea party activist committed to the fight against unconstitutional regulations.

      • gin says:

        So do cigarets and look how well that has been contained.

      • Ty says:

        You realize that in living in a semi rural area the carbon dioxide from the smoke is going directly from the stove to the trees around you and then being converted to oxygen, so you can keep spouting your hot air.

    • Gail says:

      Actually this is very true.

      I own a chimney sweep and stove sales store.
      We are no longer allowed to sell ‘non-catalytic’ wood-burning stoves, effective 2013.

    • Judi S says:

      You’re not allowed to live anymore.

    • Richard Lemire says:

      This is the biggest lie they have ever told. Burning a tree in a stove or fireplace, emmits the same amount of emissions into the air as it would rotting in the woods.It is no longer about truth it is simply about control. They can kiss my ass.

    • mike peterson says:

      It is all because firewood is unregulated and they can’t tax it.

      • gin says:

        Ssshhhhhhh! You might give them ideas.

        • j.williams says:

          I AGREE! SHHH!

    • reason says:

      Don’t get your panties in a wad boys and girls. Y’all seem to be searching for some kind of “injustice” to take up arms against. These are guidelines. No one is coming to take away your woodstove or guns. Turn off the b*%%#@*t rush limbaugh fox news and use your own common sense. Jeez……

      • Ben says:

        Common sense? that’s exactly what we’re using.. it’s obvious. you’re a moron.. you’re part of the problem

      • gin says:

        You better be prepared. They will try to enforce this. And as far as guns are concerned, enter my home uninvited and you will meet the end of my barrel face first.

    • tim says:

      More Big Government, another Obama f**k over and control the people.

    • M says:

      I currently live in a apartment, so this is not an issue for me personally. That being said, I have lived in apartment complexes that get away with so much shit, but only because the building is older than I am!

      Seems to me If they are going to stick anybody with fixing these “issues” it should either be the LANDLORD of the property, if only to bring things “up to building code”, or the government to pay us back the value for having to get rid of an older stove.

      This reminds me of and old quote my grandfather taught me as a child, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Why do we have to “fix” things that work just fine?

      • Don says:

        One word. Progressive

    • Roy Hartsell says:

      Tell obuma to work on the California wild fires. That ought to keep him busy.

    • Jake O says:

      I know ya’ll won’t like this question, but is 15-12 micrograms that big of a jump or were pissed about the 15 micrograms in the first place?

      I really have no idea what these numbers translate to in reality.

      • Ty says:

        It is how much carbon is emitted through something. You can get different filters for your stove I think all the way down to 8 micrograms of carbon.

    • Don says:

      We need to vote for people that will drastically cut funds to the epa. Further more answer are front doors with are 2nd amendment right stand are ground on principal rights or die defending them. What life without them!!?

    • Andrea Plamondon says:

      In my neighborhood in Prescott Arizona we have more and more people heating with fireplaces, the least efficient way to heat.
      These people rarely burn cleanly, and the fresh mountain air is now continuously and heavily laden with acrid smelling smoke. It burns the eyes and lungs and is ruining our life here. So why doesn’t the EPA ban or limit wood burning in town fireplaces? At least people could be issued tickets for not cleaning their fireplaces regularly. Our nearest neighbor has already had two chimney fires. So why is the EPA targeting off the grid wood stoves when there is a growing wood smoke problem in many towns,
      and doing nothing to enforce their own recommendations about burning cleanly. It’s certainly can not be too much to ask that your neighbor cleans up their act.

    • peter trainor says:

      Your individual right to get a nice warm cosy effect from a living fire smothers my children in carcigonic particles. What is romantic and libertanian about that. Twits that insist that burning wood burning stoves is somehow natual really need to look at the invisible damage they are doing to children, people with copd, or people who just want to breathe fresh air. your liberty to decide on the glamour of a “living fire” should really question whether this should be achieved at the expense of a premature death or debilatity of your neighbours.

      • Phil says:

        Well unless you dont take your kids down the freeway in your prius while they wear hasmat suits, just shut the hell up.

    • Jason says:

      Just another part of the overall plan of the peoples total dependence on the govt. Total BS!

    • Molon says:

      It would not surprise me if this writing never gets read by those who have read the original article..but then maybe……
      Those in power know or at least believe that individuals will not have each others back…and since all or any compliance is voluntary you who believe your free are cooked….they will feed one your number from the outside in…they have tested this before – Waco, Ruby Ridge, Katrina…everything is a test to push the envelope…..so all that is left is for most people to cry bitch and moan while doing nothing to curb the ever approaching storm in expressing themselves and doing nothing lessen their uneasiness….. the only way to win this thing is for 20% or more of the pop to stop going to work all and at the same time…slow production and see how quickly they begin to fall apart and back off.. But it probably will not happen and individuals will continue to be picked off one by one. All one has to do is look at what happened in Germany. If you closely evaluate at what will is happening you know the time left is short… You have already been enslaved —captured like wild once free pigs who have been trapped by their own greed having fallen for the sweet free offerings of corn (words) of a government determined to enslave you….they are now just picking off the ones who endeavor to remain free. Do not worry they are coming and they are coming for you. You know your not going to stand for what is right.

    • Bruce Erickson says:

      Oil and Gas industry has to be behind this one. Or….the woodstove makers haven’t paid off enough politicians

    • Mike R says:

      Calm down. The EPA cannot “ban wood stoves.” They only set air quality standards. New stoves will have to meet those standards. They won’t be coming to confiscate your existing wood stove or brick up your fireplaces (unless, of course, you live in CA – but if you live there that’s your own fault).

      You can even sell your old woodstove if you want to. You just can’t use it as a trade-in on a new stove under the energy savings tax credit programs.

      Take off the tin foil hats and get a grip. Yes, our government is too large and too intrusive, but they’re aren’t going to force you to install a heat pump in your Alaska cabin.

    • Free Maine says:

      There are but three choices.

      1. Come to Maine and help us secede.

      2. Support armed revolution, aka Civil War.

      3. Cry in your spring water and resolve yourself to being a serf or a slave.

    • Bronco Billy says:

      Isay tell our lousy gov’t to f off and out of our business, They are suppose to work for us.

  2. jerry says:

    i will use my lincoln log stove from my grand dad all i want. screw them.. i will not buy a new one and i will not heat with there oil n gas…off the grid is off the grid..they will not tell me what to do on my property.. let them step on my property and see what the dogs do to them while i lock n load for bear

    • Justa Guy says:

      Now now, calm down. We don’t want to shoot any gov’mint peoples, we just wants to accelerate their composting! After all, they are EPA people, and tell us to recycle all the time.

      We’ll also recycle their guns for later use!

    • Jose says:

      Except for the fact that you own no real property. If the system doesn’t like what you do they can condemn the property and come take you away. And it’s all legal. Dead or alive, they don’t care. Have you ever heard of Waco Texas?

      • Rebelwithaclause says:

        RUBY RIDGE

      • tucky says:

        waco texas was a dam cult!!!!!!

        • Randall says:

          You’re dismissing the Waco horror because the people were cultist in your eyes? What about the children that were burned to death? Tucky you are one scary dude.

        • TexPatriot says:

          I believe that “cult” is simply a term denoting “religious group”. If that is true, then ANY Christian, Pagan, or whatever, religious group or sect, can be labelled a “cult”. So, Tucky, what you are really saying here, is that anyone who chooses to worship the god of their choice, with others who think likewise…are a “cult”, and have no real rights. What happened in Waco, AND at Ruby Ridge, was a travesty of justice. Someone needs to so something about Government Sniper Lon Horiuchi.
          Anyone who kills an unarmed woman, with a baby in her arms, is a fucking ANIMAL…and needs to be put down. Tucky…you’re about a really “special” kind of stupid, son… aren’t you?

    • simon raymog says:

      Good comment Jerry. If they come on your property, blast them. Referring to your commenter about London being the centre of the US Government, I don’t think this is true. We’d love to rule again, but hey – it’s just a fantasy :). Simon from London.

  3. Becky says:

    What’s next?

    • Darthdickus@yahoo.com says:

      Next they are after your charcoal BBQ grill.

      • Sharon says:

        They are already banning BBQ’s.

        One of my friends was on his property BBQ’ing in one of those small grills you take backpacking with you and he was fined $75 for having a fire on his (His now) property without having a fire burning permit.

        The reason they fined him was because he was trying to build one of those “Tiny Houses” on his property and they didn’t want him to build that either since they can’t Tax it like they can a regular house. He originally had it on a trailer and they told him he had to take it off and put it on a foundation, so he did. After that, they sent him an cease to build notice because he was “building” illegally. When it was the stupid city that told him to do it in the first place.

    • Draqwraith says:

      Bans on smoking and matches.

      • FP says:

        Oregon is trying to pass a law that smoking tabaccoo must be perscribed by your doctor! Includes ALL tobaccoo products including dip, patches and gum.

  4. bailey78 says:

    They will do anything to keep ya down. But I have a fireplace and it ain’t changeing.

  5. Paul says:

    Screw al gore and those environment nanny nazis.

  6. Bebe says:

    Rediculous!!! Repeal the EPA!

  7. Rick says:

    And the Government and agencies such as EPA wonder why they are not liked by anyone? The most aggravating part is these dipshits exist because our tax dollars fund them. Maybe if everyone refused to pay income tax they would get a clue who pays theur paycheck.

    • Bonnie says:

      Now your talking quit funding these assholes!

      • davey says:

        I quit funding them 4 yrs ago.Screw em!!

  8. Resist Tyranny says:

    Despotism

  9. Ryan says:

    There’s a lot of people that believe the gov’t wants you dead. It’s hard not to believe them, every day is a new story about how there trying take something away .it boggels the mind why they care.

  10. fmoose@hotmail.com says:

    This actually states that if you use the trade in campaign it cannot be resold.
    Thus you are taking moneytfrom the government to replace an item in exchange for a newer better model hopefully. You can still sell it if you do not take this money.

    • dr3sahc says:

      thats how I read it

  11. m11_9 says:

    Don’t want rules then dont take subsidies.

  12. Ana Paulina says:

    Perhaps, the EPA along with its Alphabet Co-Horts should be paying better attention to the Fermenting Piles of Backyard Neighboring Pollution they so claim to be cleaning up.

    • Rebelwithaclause says:

      Yeah, like the BP oil spill, the Louisiana sinkhole. The elite do more damage in a month than the 99 does in a decade. Next I’m sure it will be something about solar panels.

      • Ben says:

        you’re joking right? the 99? really? you’re here? do you think you belong? really? i think you must be a bit confused

  13. Daniel says:

    they will try to get this in future building codes and include fireplaces. call/write your representatives!

    • Babette says:

      what representatives?

      • scottyboy999 says:

        The ones that represent you? Thats a good one.Does anyone think they read the new legislation from the epa on Dec14 2012. Its over 770 pages long and reads like the Obamacare bill.It baffles you with bullshit and leaves any important items subject to interpretation leaving loopholes in case some genius actually read the entire thing and understood it.The whole system needs an overhaul because the greed and stupidity has just gotten way out of hand.

  14. Breenda says:

    I can’t believe this crap wood stoves have been around forever and NOW they want to change this what the hell is wrong with the gov. did they all go through some sort of brain washing or what the old ways are the best ways

    • J. Rose says:

      The government wants to CONTROL AMERICANS just like hitler controlled the Jews, etc. This is just another way of using their control over us. The government be damned! To hell with them. If you do NOT stand up to these radical communist socialists, YOU ‘WILL’ BE THEIR SLAVES!!! Don’t let them get away with this bullshit. Fight back, stand your ground, & don’t accept anything that may be any way of taking YOUR RIGHTS away from you or your loved ones. Do NOT let this fascist government bully you! REMEMBER: We do NOT work for the government, THEY work FOR US!

      • Stephan Williams says:

        Mr. Rose, Your heart appears to be in the right place but you wrote: “The government wants to CONTROL AMERICANS just like hitler controlled the Jews, etc.”

        I beg to differ. Hitler just wanted the Jews gone. He would have like to ship them all to Madagascar or to anywhere else where someone was willing to accept them, just to get them out of Germany – a country the Jews had taken over in the years after the 1st World War to the great detriment of Germans generally.

        Unfortunately for Germany, no one wanted to accept these dishonest and murderous people.

        He even signed agreements with prominent Jewish leaders that would have allowed Jews to emigrate to Palestine from German controlled territory in 1933! Look it up. Please read, “The Transfer Agreement” written by the Jewish historian, Edwin Black.

        ALL governments in our once-democratic western countries now want to control EVERYBODY just like the jews who ended up in control of Russia did, (control that came about thanks to the unlimited funds Jewish-American/English bankers who funded the Communist Revolution poured into the theft of the country.)

        (Have you read anything about the Rothschild banking consortium’s attempts to create a New World Order out of the wasteland they have deliberately created through their funding of terrorism worldwide in the time since then?)

        By the way, once in control of the “USSR”, the Jews in Russia MURDERED 30,000,000 Russians and Ukrainians for the “crime” of distrusting those selfsame psychotic creeps who had been stealing from them for hundreds of years from their positions as “government-supported tax collectors”. They did this after disarming the general population so that they couldn’t fight back!

        The Jewish-controlled Russian secret police, (same as the American DHS, incidentally, but even more insane because they controlled the government), used tyranny, deliberate starvation, banishment and outright murder to teach a lesson to the civilian native population that, “Resistance is Futile” until finally the country’s citizens had had enough and removed as many of these monsters from positions of power as they could.

        It took them 60 years of murderous oppression and they have still not managed to remove the all of the vermin who stole their country’s assets while the country was under their control.

        (You do know about Russian “oligarchs”, don’t you? All but one is a Zionist Jew.)

        Hence the bad press about Russia in our MSM. …and who owns our MSM again?

        Your reference to Hitler was the kind of comment only an ignorant person or willful liar could make. Which are you?

        Are you ignorant and propagandized like most people are everywhere due to the malevolence of our MSM?

        Or are you a liar employed by those who want nothing less than our subjugation to be the result of their bankster-bribed tyranny?

  15. Lori says:

    This may seem like no big deal to some. But to me it is just another evil angle being used to put another nail in the coffin of law abiding United States of American citizens who are trying to survive the economically devastating attack our president and our government has waged upon its own people! God help us all!

    • DizzyD says:

      Somebody needs us to stand for our rights…
      Country started going to shit with the first George Bush.

      • Jose says:

        Country began failure with A. Hamilton and First Bank of the United States.

        Lincoln piled on his federal takeover of everything, Wilson gave us the income tax and Fed. Rsv.

        Every despot since then has just been icing.

  16. Chant says:

    So… our government takes one more step toward pushing us to civil war. Why am I not surprised?

    • J. Rose says:

      Hey, if it’s war they want, then it’s war they’ll get! I’m ready to stand up for myself, my country & my RIGHTS. Bring it on!!! I will NOT be a slave to ANYONE, ANY GOVERNMENT, for any reason, at any time, period! AND, they’ll NEVER get MY GUNS!!!

  17. Russ says:

    It’s about their future plans:

    When they come for the guns, they will face resistance, and they know it. In order to force compliance and get the attention of the people, they will shut down the electrical and gas utilities to neighborhoods targeted for relocation. If you can’t heat your home, you will eventually need to leave for your own safety. If you have a wood burner, you can ride it out, so that must be banned in order to speed your exit….

    • helenwheeels says:

      We’d like to think we can take a stand to fight for our rights but the truth is we have financed our own takeover. These son-a-bitches are ready for war right here in America, to fight it’s own people when they “GET OUT OF LINE”! Foreign troops will be at their disposal and all the tools are in place as we text!! The majority of the people are gullible and buy into the concept that the government has your best interest at heart. It’s been a process over the years and it’s quickly coming to a reality. The majority of people, I believe, are good hearted, (along with being gullible!)so what’s the need for thousands upon thousands of combat vehicles here in the United States? Government using our tax dollars when Marshall Law takes us all down! The rebellious ones anyway.We need to get off our computers and our asses and tighten up our communities!

  18. ar says:

    And now we wait for them to outlaw fireplaces too

    • steveo says:

      Ya you vill burn oil and you vill like it!

    • Draqwraith says:

      They already have in a way. If you have a fireplace home owners policies will not pay out in the event of a fire.

      • Jose says:

        Uh, that’s wrong.

        Who do you have insurance with; Eddie’s of Pine Street?

  19. JOHN CINQUE says:

    They came for the guns….i did not have one so i said nothing…then they came for my stove and there was no one left with a gun to help me keep it…LOL….GRAZE ON

  20. Peter says:

    To all my Patriotic American friends, I am so sorry about what you are going through right now. Please continue to fight for you 2 ammendment rights, I do whatever I can from here, north of the border, in Canada to spread the word of the dangerous man who has weaseled his way into the White House. Own gun laws went through all these changes in the 70′s, 80′s, 90′s & 00′s and we continue to fight to try and get some of our right’s back. The stove issue is just plain EVIL, and I worry about the lunitic environment fringe trying to pull the same crap here. Most “Green” people understand nothing about nature; it is the hunters, fishers, homestreaders, of-the-gridders and Natives that know and understand our ecosystems. I just read a book by Jim Sterba called Nature Wars, next time an EvironMENTAList starts their bull about “our kind” ruining nature, throw a copy of this book at them and tell them to get educated. Wood stoves polluting? I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that if you took all the exhaust that flies out of the tail pipes of politicians riding around in planes, trains and automobiles in a year to do absolutely nothing useful, it would far exeed what comes out of all the woodstoves in Canada and The US of A; what a bunch of useless hypocites!

    • J. Rose says:

      Thank You Peter from Canada! You are a TRUE FRIEND. Well said. We have to stand up to this piss-ass so-called government of socialist communist PIGS. I, for one, will NEVER give up my guns, my rights, or my liberties for the likes of oBUMmer & his BUM SQUAD, & become their slaves! If Americans would only remember this: WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR US! PUT THEM IN THEIR PLACE, WHERE THEY BELONG!!!!!

      • Roger says:

        C’mon up! Lot’s of room here in BC, lot’s of firewood, fresh water/air, if you need ‘remote’ there’s lots of that too!

      • helenwheeels says:

        The only place our government should be put in is the unemployment line. Not one of us common people could could get away with doing such a shitty job and still be employed. Hell no, we’d be FIRED!! The whole lot of them needs to go, we’d be better off!

  21. john says:

    Just let em try rember Waco I haven’t

  22. markymarky says:

    i agree with all your comments where in the hell are all are human rights going fuck the goverment and there taxes

  23. patrick says:

    They want 12 parts per million…fine. do what the concrete companies do that burn tires in their process. Put fans in more air flow mixed with exhaust equals less pollution in the inspectors eyes.

  24. Steve says:

    Read ‘Agenda 21′ by Glenn Beck. This is just another small step to the completion of their Agenda.

  25. Nunyo Bidnez says:

    The EPA, FDA, USDA, OSHA, HSA are not Constitutionally sanctioned programs. They CAN NOT control was has not been granted to them under the Constitution! Period!
    Gov’t controled education and ciriculum has programed generations of people to B E L I E V E that the gov’t has the authority to do these things, and it will continue and worsen until the “People” as in “We the People” say ENOUGH!
    State gov’ts are finally starting to legislate for “states rights” and telling the Federal Gov’t to pound sand when it comes to more recent and most aggregious over-reach of power in the Obama-Care and NDAA railroad jobs. It’ll get worse before it gets better.

    • DizzyD says:

      All of the Alphabet Agencies have grown too powerful.
      What has happened to “We The People”?
      I am afraid for my children who will be left with all this political mess.

  26. MA says:

    Sounds like, “cash for clunkers.” That was an equally wonderful program (NOT!)

  27. Dinah says:

    Before the EPA knocks on my door they better go next door and talk to that home owner who has an outdoor wood burner. Talk about lack of EPA regulations.

  28. Mike says:

    They can go ahead and take my wood stove. They can take the ashes to go with it.I will just build a better one out of a 250 gal fuel drum.

  29. GY says:

    The headline is not accurate. See the following website from a vendor who has plenty of stoves to sell you that are legal. The page also goes over the history of wood burning stove regulation since the late 1980′s and where it is going in the future. http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/hoepareg.htm

    Does anyone here know why they are trying to reduce particulate emissions? From an AK state website:
    “The size of particles is directly linked to their potential for causing health problems. Small particles less than 10 micrometers in diameter pose the greatest problems, because they can get deep into your lungs, and some may even get into your bloodstream. Exposure to such particles can affect both your lungs and your heart. Larger particles are of less concern, although they can irritate your eyes, nose, and throat.” Hopefully you are not breathing the smoke from your stove (Third world countries cook on open fires in houses that lead to significant lung damage from the smoke), but what if other people were breathing your smoke. What if your stove was in a city with neighbors (like my pellet stove) and other people were using wood for heat too. Now all those particulates are accumulating in the air and being breathed in by the general populous. Unregulated burning of wood would then be adversely affecting the health of others. It would be increasing the health insurance costs for everyone in my area. Regulating those stoves make sense. Why should I have to breath other people’s smoke on my property increasing my chance of lung cancer? I shouldn’t. What I don’t know is will a single stove in the middle of nowhere actually affect others? Probably not that much. Or how far can those particulates can carry? At the same time I’ve heard stories about places in Colorado where the smoke from fires and stoves is so bad it hazes up the skies and affects breathing, so the idea that if you aren’t in the city you are safe doesn’t always apply. Pollution can travel too. I’ve read that air pollution from China actually makes it to the US polluting our air and rain. Don’t vilify the EPA for trying to protect everyone’s health.

    • JackB says:

      There’s a big difference from pollution and China and some dude burning a wood stove in Alaska. These regulations are just idiotic. I’m fine with them going after actual polluters but to say I can’t use the wood stove that’s been in my family for some 80 odd years is crazy.

      And as far as vilifying the EPA. Have you heard of the Sacketts? What about the drones over North Dakota? What about them declaring dry lands waterways? These people are out of control.

      • Leigh S says:

        What a load of crock you trying to peddle. You are in the wrong place for that. Wood stoves do not account for near the pollution that do cars, manufacturers, trains, jets (personal and commercial). I have used wood heat too many years to be told by some idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about that a wood stove is more hazardous to anyone’s health than exhaust fumes. You might want to find another page to troll.

    • George says:

      That bit about Colorado? What happens is a natural weather phenomenon called an Inversion. So you can read up on it – http://geography.about.com/od/climate/a/inversionlayer.htm

      Inversions happen in the cities as well, including your own. The difference is in the pollution you can see, and the pollution you don’t see as much. And inversion with wood fires is less damaging that a city inversion with all that lovely car and factory exhaust.

      In fact, ONE woodstove or campfire in an inversion can create a haze over the whole area. But one woodfire is not going to destroy your lungs.

      Please don’t villainize something when you don’t know what is actually causing the issue.

      If worldwide pollution is coming here, one neighbor with a woodstove is NOT going to change that equation that much. You want to get picky? Your pellet stove is creating a great deal more pollution than running a gas furnace. So YOU are also causing a big problem, if we take it from your POV.

    • Rebelwithaclause says:

      Talk about pollution, if they fine me or tell me to remove mine, I will fight them in court. There is a ton of video proof of the daily CHEMTRAILS that they fill our sky’s and air with, and they manipulate the weather, then there is HARRP and DARPA.

      • milidude. says:

        Dont forget the fallout from fukushima, which the epa purposely STOPPED monitoring and or reporting on. that fubar nuke plant is an ele(extinction level) event ongoing. glad to read here that others are seeing the illegal chemtrails which are u.n. sanctioned and of which the epa turns a cold shoulder to.

    • Don says:

      Good then we should no fly , no drive and no fart law throughout the entire US. Has anyone questioned the science was it manipulated to support there laws? That’s like saying being outside on a windy day is going to kill us from the particulates of a meteor that hit the earth a million years ago . No more laws until the ones we have work. Fyi that means till hell freezes

  30. Luke says:

    My chimney will continue to smoke. We the people better get off our butts and start hammering these fools.

    • luis valereen says:

      If your chimney is smoking, you’re doing it wrong. A properly made fire is so hot that the smoke is re burnt and nothing but heat goes up the chimney. My fireplace will soon only exhaust low temp steam lol

  31. Runner says:

    Why is it that when we gather supplies in our own homes and prepare for realistic emergencies (flood, fire, tornado, etc.), without forcing our views on others, the government considers us mentally unstable, militant, lunatics proclaiming the end of days? But when they push their rules into all of our homes, while they actually do proclaim the end of days, they’re the voice of reason?

    • Ethel Greene says:

      Because we just don’t have the energy left to resist. They have the money, the weapons, the manpower, and the hatred in their hearts to kill anything and anyone on this planet with a slight difference of opinion. We’re nothing more but cattle now. . . In all of my 50 years of marriage I’ve not once been as disappointed in a man as I am in our house of representatives. At least my husband’s rock hard in his beliefs.

  32. John A. says:

    There are some damned weird things going on in the US under Obama’s watch, and I just want all of you Americans that are concerned that Canada is friendly and we will welcome our American friends! We have a huge land mass and only a tenth of the population of the US, and our Conservative government still believes in staying out of the lawful business of good, decent folks up here…
    Cheers and all the best, my friends!

    • Greg G. says:

      I call BS on your take on our gov’t John A., they are hand-in-hand with the corruption at the UN and US-driven crap that affects all our rights as free-born men. Wake up and smell the bacon!

    • Rob says:

      If they didn’t have a problem with me carrying my guns, I’d already be there. But, it must be by design. I must be needed for the good fight down here instead.

    • fred says:

      I read you I hear you ~ very commendable Offering your southern brothers sanctuary. But this is at variance with what I read about Canada ( the corporation) Have a look at Henry Makow ‘s web site and read too about Kevin Arnett and I am sure there are many others Including Bob Arthur Meynard Freedom Files Robert Hay . Look at Mary Croft How I clobbered every financial institution known to man ( I thunk that is what it is called) Do you get your news from the MSM? I live “down under” but I know a little about what goes on in Canada And I mean that in the nicest possible way . If you took an active look at Makows site you would know a heap more of what goes on in your neck of the woods. This thing is world wide Educate yourself ‘brother We have most of the people believing that things are pretty good here ~ they have no F —king idea ( makes you want to yell ) and they won’t be told it is just so daunting to think every thing they know and have been told is utter lies and BS. It is going to come crashing down -the lot so don’t say no one told you` Most of the nasties could be prevented if the folks just woke up. Nothing personal

    • fred says:

      it seems to have jumped a space or two my comment just below was meant for you John A

  33. Michael VDW says:

    This sucks along with all the other nosensical laws municipalities & EPA creates to justify their exsistence. They are trying to make it so we all have to live like sheep attached to the coporate umbilical cord, consumerism, uitiities, food supply, etc.

    FYI… Any of you fine folks who are thinking about moving to Canada because of the apperance of lack of such laws… think again we have them here too; the Alberta Govn’t has a 95 page Rain Water Collection Guide Book & 135 page Rain Water Regulations Book, as well as anti-homesteading laws, All municipalities have laws & regulations against gardening in the city in your own yard (within certain ‘guidelines’). All rural areas have building & zoning laws that make it impossible to build a home that is ‘off grid’ (they’ re VERY strict guidlines). In most areas, those who live in rural areas that ar not ‘farmers’ are being watched by police for “possible criminal’ activities.

  34. sue says:

    whats next??????????

    • silver says:

      Hear that God no more wild-fires no more thousands of acres to burn or you will be fined by the us goverment.

  35. Cliff says:

    The EPA will let the oil companies sell us E15 gasoline that voids manufacturer’s warranties on automobiles and damages our engines, but it won’t let us use certain wood burning stoves! Just goes to show you when it comes to any government agency money talks and crap walks!

  36. fausa says:

    citizens not people..citizens must be for work…worker must shut up..work..for good of party..resistance is futile..vote “NYET” for to have non-party heat…

  37. Amie says:

    see, this is why we cant have anything nice here in the US. its not a democracy here anymore, its a cleverly disguised dictatorship run by world elites hell bent on domination and control. instead of serving their people, they view the people as something that serves them.

  38. ann lutz says:

    Does this mean that my wood butning fireplace that I spent alot of money to build will also be outlawed? they better not mess with me …..

    • DEB says:

      Yes, and because your house is conneted to the fireplace, the epa will get your house…lol

    • Ethel Greene says:

      It was built after 1941, so yes, they will be seizing it, honey :( Try to stay warm, dearie!

  39. DEB says:

    I believe that if everybody on this and other self-reliance sights would get together, we could show our numbers and more would follow. This has allready started with the TEA PARTY GROUP

  40. Nic says:

    F you in the A EPA, come on my land and effin get my stove!!! I will have a few things waiting on them!! Anyone else feel like an overthrow of the whole thing is the only way were headed?? Why are they trying to make us so reliant on them? They should thank the smarties that are getting back to being self sufficient!

  41. VCmom says:

    Show me the science proving smoke from a wood stove or outdoor firepit (also outlawed in many states) will harm the environment. PROVE it. There are so many theories about global warming, climate change, global cooling, etc – many disproved and discredited – and yet the government is still seeking to financially harm Americans on a disproven THEORY?

    Yeah, not so much.

  42. Joe Dirt says:

    The EPA better start controlling their wildfires on govt. land, or I am going to have to sue them. All that smoke must be bad for me.

    • Unfortunately, the government is not liable to pay for any damages attributing to wildfires, smoke inhalation etc. It CAN, however, sue you over it.

  43. AndyWas says:

    The EPA is just trying to live up to the standard motto: “I’m from the Government and I’m here to help”

    Will they attempt to stop the Mexicans from burning their fields every year? The particles cross into Texas and cause issues for citizens.
    http://www.kvue.com/news/Smoke-from-crop-fires-in-Mexico-reaches-Austin-116502873.html

    Don’t laugh at this one if you haven’t heard it already. The EPA wanted to regulate dust. You farmers better be ready and get all those country roads paved right away! Trust me, they WILL be back with more regulations, all in the name of “looking out for us”.
    http://www.yankton.net/articles/2011/10/26/opinion/editorials/doc4ea77fb3d522e514869583.txt

    In the end they will rule that people are the biggest problem and move to regulate them. Want kids? Better get in the “permit lottery” if you want more children. After all, they need to look out for the country, and all these unneeded people just make it more difficult. Imagine what a pristine country we would have without all those pesky people running around burning fossil fuels and requiring crops and livestock.
    EPA Idiots…..

  44. Paul says:

    Have you people even checked out the EPA site? I’m guessing not by the looks of the comments. The EPA isn’t banning anything. They have a program that will help you qualify for better pricing or funding if the stove is EPA approved. If it isn’t EPA approved, you can keep or get your stove – just not with EPA help. Jeeze people! Spreading false information doesn’t do anyone any good. There’s enough examples of bad things the federal government is doing without making crap up.

    • Tom says:

      Yours is a voice of reason, Paul. No one here gets correct information and yet they run around with their hair on fire.

    • Courtland says:

      thank you, Paul, for the voice of reason, what a concept, to actually look at the EPA website for correct information.

  45. conrad says:

    Has any one gotten behind a city bus? talk of pollution!! come on does the EPA have blinders on or does the bus company pay under the table like the rest of the people in New York and Calif. Yes it is time we all rose up and let the people know we ARE the real goverment, “Remeber, it’s goverment of the people, by the people and of the people” the goverment be damned!.”When faith is lost and honor dies, the man is dead!”

  46. monica says:

    please dont do tat to us… i have friend who dont have electric .. but using fire to keep warm at thier home … DONT DO TAT …

    also fire .. keep warm and less cost than electric bill …

    THIS IS TOO STUPID … LEAVE US ALONE PLEASE …

    THIS IS BADDDDDDDDDDDDD IDEAAAA .. YOU ARE GONNA MAKE PEOPLE MORE ANGRY AT YOU gov ….

    I WISH SOMEONE CAN REMOVE TAT GOV OUT OF OUR FACE DUE HE DIDNT DOING GOOD JOB NOT EVEN ONE BIT OF IT … HE KEEP HURTING OUR MAINE … THIS IS OUR HOME MAINE … SO
    PLEASE LEAVE THESE PEOPLE ALONE AND LET THEM ENJOY WHAT THEY WANT .. AS LONG AS THIS ISNT CRIME DUMB AZZ …

  47. charles says:

    you all do realize that these are the same idiots that want to regulate the amount of dust a farmer creates in his field while doing field work. they could care less what the common people think about thier ideas and they do not want to hear your opinions on it either. i wish the EPA would be defunded by congress

  48. Don Garver says:

    Sir, you really need to employ a proofreader. Great article, but your credibility goes right out the window for folks who “know.”

  49. RalphPierre says:

    Mr EPA Man, that’s not wood you smell burning, it’s a Federal Agent. You want to see?

  50. rolyas says:

    we need a 100 million to march on dc drag out all the perps make citzen arrests and and start from scratch

  51. Jill says:

    The “lunatic environment fringe” is merely trying to ensure our planet survives our generation. You know those superstorms that keep occurring? They’re caused by the earth warming up, melting polar ice caps (which accelerate the earth’s already rapid rise in temperature). This is in turn caused by carbon fuels emissions – burning coal and wood. Want to live off grid? There are environmentally friendly options available, such as wind turbines and water mills that won’t destroy a planet you need to learn to share. Before you go spouting off about the “evil government”, do some research into the science behind these decisions.

    • nunya effnbiz says:

      Jill the shill, so you’d like us all to go and do some research.
      Well my research shows that -
      The government IS evil.
      Global warming is a scam.
      The SUN, not humans, is responsible.
      Temperatures have risen on other planets – are the martians’ SUVs to blame?
      The latest science now shows that temperatures are actally on their way down and the earth is now on its way to a new ice age (documented well before Al Gore’s shenanigans).
      Listen to your conscience and get a real job. We’re on to you.

    • Rebelwithaclause says:

      Uuuhhmmm Jill, have you looked up in the sky lately? It’s full of CHEMTRAILS, highly toxic aluminum is just one of the health hazardous chemicals being sprayed daily.

    • Brian_427 says:

      Jill, better check your facts, wind turbines are killing thousands of birds every year, polar ice caps are bigger this year than that have been in years. Scientists have been caught sending emails admitting global warming is a big fraud.

  52. The EPA and all of Washington DCs’ alphabet agencies are NOTHING to us. congress and this commie some call President are JUST our “employees”. Their programming lies which they now believe, like many sheep, that they the politican/employee are leaders and lawmakers for we their “EMPLOYERS” “Employees” DON”T lead or make laws for their “EMPLOYERS”. So their alphabet agencies are Just “employees” of our “employees” and their rules or laws DO NOT APPLY to us. Come on people WAKE UP the politician anywhere is JUST a now self-confessed Treasonous criminal. NEXT the Hangman

    • Tom says:

      Don’t shoot me for saying this, but your hair is on fire

  53. charles says:

    Just sign an executive order and keep your stove. Follow The Leader!

    • DJ says:

      I just signed one letting me keep my guns and ammo.

  54. Priscilla says:

    Liberty is the enemy of Tyranny, PUSH BACK!

  55. jim says:

    “You know those superstorms that keep occurring? They’re caused by the earth warming up, melting polar ice caps (which accelerate the earth’s already rapid rise in temperature). This is in turn caused by carbon fuels emissions – burning coal and wood.”

    That’s hilarious coming from a person that say to do research before spouting off. In case you’ve been under a rock for the past three years, “global warming” has been debunked and proven to be a hoax. Almost none of the CREDIBLE scientific community even acknowledges it any longer.

    • marie says:

      Global warming has not been debunked. The reasons they try to push for it have been. Global warming is happening however it is a natural occurrence, like an ice age of which the earth has seen at least 4, caused by the sun’s cycle. Some chemicals can cause issues with the atmosphere, however the industrial revolution caused most of what we are now paying for. The EPA are nothing more than a bunch of lobbyists pushing their own agenda. It is because of them that we have yet to really tap into our own oil resources. something that will make our country independent of the rest of the world.

      • Sam says:

        Marie, dear, Go back to your kitchen and bake something. We’re not interested in listening to your uninformed and confused banter.

  56. Tim says:

    Yup, Already happening here in Ca. (What a surprise huh) Under the guise of ‘Spare the Air days” Not only are neighbors spying on you but they have actually created smoke patrols riding around in government cars looking for smoking chimney’s. First offense? $200 Reminds me of stories I’ve heard from a friend from the former Czechoslovakia under Communism your neighbors would spy on you and turn you in. We’re not far behind my friends.

    • Sam says:

      Just what kind of cars are they driving? Got a description? You see….all this shit goes on because you people will do nothing to confront them. It should be very,very unhealthy to inform on one’s neighbor.

  57. Jason says:

    The EPA is NOT a law enforcement agency. They have not authority to arrest anyone much less press charges against anyone. Even if this ridiculous law could be enforced throughout the country, which it obviously can’t, the EPA would need to call in police officers to write a summons or arrest you. In other words, if the EPA comes onto your property and tried to say you are in violation of the law, they would need police there to enforce the violation. And if they didn’t, you as a US citizen have the right to tell them to get off your property because they are trespassing. Now lets see how far this law gets.

    • Sam says:

      Jason, son, EPA has their own armed enforcement and they do what they want. Educate yourself.

    • Bob says:

      I have read the post’s, Some do not seem to realize that Washington D.C. is not a part of the fifty states of the united states of America.. it is a federal corporation USC 3002 (15). All of the states are federal states, not under the constitution, under the corporate charters, the congress as we see it are the board members, voters are shareholders in the RCW’s of the STATE OF WASHINGTON, not electors. We today do not have rights, we have privileges, granted by the de-facto (illegal or illegitimate) government. Long Story. Is there a difference between a U.S. citizen and a Citizen of the united atates of america? Check it out.

  58. DonnaRose says:

    Are you freakin’ kidding me? Every day another encroachment on our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Wake up, America!!

  59. Michelle says:

    I don’t believe this is the whole story and I don’t believe that Government has recently received the power to make American’s choose what they rightfully have the power of their own choices to buy. This is still a free society and I don’t give a hoot what nut job is pushing out of their pie holes! There’s only so far that our menacing leadership will push before they find the American’s in all of us… Stay peaceful. Many times the stories like this are like the commercial about the internet…lol. :)

    • marie says:

      You mean the one with the french model. BonJour.

  60. Someones SIster says:

    I believe the president should be held for treason. Let him go and get a new one.
    How can we now keep our homes warm? Butaine? Great.

  61. cosmiccathy says:

    My Dad has to go driving around neighborhoods to find logs and tree branches out at the curb for his woodstove. He is on Social Security income and can’t even afford to buy wood or heat his house with gas! He hit pay dirt with Hurricane Sandy and all the downed trees it gave him, but at 80 years old, he won’t be using a log splitter for much longer…

  62. cosmiccathy says:

    My Dad has to go driving around neighborhoods to find logs and tree branches out at the curb for his woodstove. He is on Social Security income and can’t even afford to buy wood or heat his house with gas! He hit pay dirt with Hurricane Sandy and all the downed trees it gave him, but at 80 years old, he won’t be using a log splitter for much longer…

    • Sam says:

      Honey, If your father was a neighbor of mine, I’d see to it he had at least 3 cord of wood up and stacked by Nov 1st. That’s what we do here where I live.

  63. pbthegoof says:

    So how does this affect fireplaces. are they going to outlaw those and firepits next.

    • Sam says:

      Several counties in Western Washington state have declared using you homes’ fireplace is illegal, all that CO2 crap n’ bullshit. Doesn’t matter if it’s 15 degrees outside and the power is out with a foot of snow on the ground. Your local officials are equally as dangerous folks.

  64. Ed says:

    This seems like anti EPA hype. It also seems like nonsense. Its legal to use any kind of wood stove you want, and will continue to be. You just cannot get tax credits for it or resell ones that you do get credits for. Local government ordinances can require a particular compliance, insurance can require it, being a careful consumer can make you want a non polluting wood stove. This article is just feeding fears and hostility to protections we all rely on to keep the air and water clean. Off Grid folks need to be careful too, and wouldn’t want to start having their neighbors burn coal or set up a dirty wood stove downwind.

  65. dave says:

    “There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed.

    It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.

    Because the owners, the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.

    Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

    They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want:

    They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.

    Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!

    You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.

    By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you.

    They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on; The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth:

    It’s called the ‘American Dream’ because you have to be asleep to believe it.”

    –George Carlin (RIP)

    • boshan says:

      Very Good put in a nutshell, people need to wake up.

  66. Sam says:

    Knock at the door?…Hello and good day friends! What can I do for you fine gentlemen? Someone burning wood?…you don’t say……so you want to have a look around? Sure thing,….come with me over here behind the barn…I’ll show you a better view of the homes in the area………heh heh heh………Headlines two days later: 5 EPA enforcement officials missing……..

  67. abinico warez says:

    Screw them – we use wood for heat and will continue to do so. If need be, a bunch of us can get together and make our own.

  68. Will says:

    I have a masonary fireplace and when it burns all the heat of the house is sucked up the chimney, very little heat actually enters the house, it was soothing to watch, but that was about it. The fireplace also poured smoke out and was terribly inefficient. I purchased my EPA-2 woodstove last year. I didn’t get a tax rebate, but I wanted a something which would make a difference in my heating bill. But it was my choice and it was quite expensive to upgrade. For those on a fixed budget who are using the fireplace or woodstove to heat their homes, an upgrade may not be possible – and this is just one more example of a federal government which has gone tyrannical.

    In my city we had three government buildings constructed in 2011-2012. One was a county office building, one was a local city building, and the last was a federal building. The county and city buildings are easily accessible, very little security and easy to get in and see who needs to be seen. But our new federal building has one way drive ways with road spikes if one backs up or goes the wrong way, concrete posts all along the perimeter, guards at the parking facility, cameras inside and outside, a guard station outside and inside, roaming guards throughout the building, bullet proof and shaded glass on all windows and doors, and one must pass through a metal detector and sign in to get to see anyone in any of the offices.

    • pa-cman says:

      this is probably one of the internment camps that fema has. i believe they are called intake centers and are supposed to be used for terrorists. this is where probably everybody that is against the current obama administration is going to end up.

  69. escapefromobamastan says:

    The US government is a corporation. It doesn’t care what individuals want or need and is in bed (as are our so-called representatives) with other large international corporations. Just keep your heads down and keep paying those illegal, unconstitutional taxes on your income so the illegal, unconstitutional Federal Reserve (private internationalist bankers) can be paid interest for printing up their funny money so its collection arm (the IRS, another corporation) will not come after you with extreme prejudice. I blame the generation

  70. tom says:

    COME AND GET ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  71. Gerry says:

    None of the government Agencies have any authority outside of the 10 mile square District of Columbia. People need to learn how not to ‘Voluntarily’ get involved with these agencies by ‘Registering’ their private property and to learn how to become the Real Party of Interest for the property they have already registered – including their own bodies…Listen to Howard Griswold on Talkshoe or…
    peoples-rights.com

  72. Tom says:

    Now that everyone has had their say, let’s get to the REAL FACTS:

    A) the EPA is NOT going to take away your ‘existing’ woodstove

    B) instead, there are monetary INCENTIVES to switch to cleaner-burning woodstoves (or gas stoves)

    C) these rules are NOT new… the rules have been around for 23 years (the 1990 Clean Air Act)

    D) so keep your stove if you wish (just try to be a considerate neighbor and burn carefully cleanly)

  73. jessie says:

    I heat my home with coal. Dirty, filthy, coal. Costs a third of gas.

    I would welcome the EPA to come to my home and attempt to stop me from using my stove; my dirty, filthy, coal burning stove.

  74. Emotional Non-Drone says:

    I used to burn on “no burn” nights. In the future can I expect a ticket in the mail courtesy of the DRONES??

  75. Squashed says:

    Hey dudes and dudettes. You are way worked up over nothing. They have no way to measure. Go work it off on the woodpile or better yet behind it.But keep burning. I’m now wondering if I should fuel up with paper birch, big leaf maple or douglas fir. Hard choices given that is only minus 4 C

  76. 5 War Veteran says:

    A perfect example of when there is too much government. Should we ban forest fires? Wood burning is natural. Chem trails and pulp mills are not. Oh hey! Neither are fireworks and military missiles. How about jet engine exhaust?
    Can’t have volcanoes now can we! What about all the pollution from the steel mills we shipped overseas?
    Fact: there is less pollution now than there was from the 20s to the 80′s.
    We now have flex fuel vehicles whose primary exhaust component from E50 corn fuel is carbon monoxide AND acid! Yes ACID! (Why else would it require stainless fuel systems and stainless exhaust pipes? And why would it destroy vehicles that are older than 2012) Healthy breathing that!
    Poor Alaskans living in the wilderness and OMG fireplaces!
    Effing Elite.

  77. 5 War Veteran says:

    When you torture a fellow, you keep adding discomfort, pain, aggravation… more and more until the victim cracks or dies. Of course usually in war, after they crack and tell what they know, it’s more humane to go ahead and kill the victim…and they don’t talk either. I believe our government may well be torturing it’s population in many ways, just to keep stress going and making the body fight itself…do without things they need, food, medicine, sleep… there is a war going on against certain segments of our American population. We have always thought, “well we can always use wood to heat”, or even cook with…yet now here we are, more laws to whip the poorest of us all… to stop the bottom of the line process of staying warm. I believe it takes a pretty sick individual to come up with this stuff… course we knew that already…didn’t we..?

    You know they are pushing for a civil war. They want riots and civil “disobedience”, that way they can declare martial law and commit genocide. It IS the Elite Agenda. Two caste system and we are the slaves. Obama is an illegal and he is pushing socialism with his corporation owning cronies.

    When will we decide it is too much? When they order good Americans to turn in their handguns?

    1911 – Turkey disarmed its citizens, and between 1915 – 1917 they murdered 1.5 million Armenians.
    1929 – Russia disarmed its citizens, and between 1929 – 1953 they murdered 20 million Russians.
    1935 – China disarmed its citizens, and between 1948 – 1952 they murdered 20 million Chinese.
    1938 – Germany disarmed its citizens, and between 1939 – 1945 they murdered 16 million Jews.
    1956 – Cambodia disarmed its citizens, and between 1975 – 1977 they murdered 1 million Educated people.
    1964 – Guatemala disarmed its citizens, and between 1964 – 1981 they murdered 100,000 Mayan Indians.
    1970 – Uganda disarmed its citizens, and between 1971 – 1979 they murdered 300,000 Christians.

    Will we wait too long so they can repeat history?

    • Bob says:

      Good post, does anyone no who martial law originally applied to? In Bouvier 1856 it only applied to the military. Are we not all a military society today? Are your police Sgt’s and Cpl’s and Captains? Sound like Rome? Why do we have a Govenor? Govern who? Government, Govern Men or Govern Mental? Just want your thoughts.

    • pa-cman says:

      you know it should scare the hell out of people when obamas best friend is george soros. he has funded everything obama has done so far. what is in it for him? show me the money and you will find the answer. this guy aint ever an american and he is controlling this country and this man who calls himself our president. he is not mine never has been and never will be.

  78. OldStuPedasso says:

    Come and take it. ; )

  79. sam says:

    Quick question…..are they going to outlaw fireplaces as well. I’d like to see them come for that, will they patch up the gaping hole?, Hey while we’re at it why not outlaw BBQ’s as well.
    Look a wood burning stove can be cooked on as well as being used for heating purposes but so can a fireplace, so living off grid to heat up living room becomes dining room,kitchen AND bedroom when worst comes to worst. I suppose that they think people are really that dumb, desperate times will require desperate measures and you can be amazed at how creative one can get when people are threatened and desperate.

  80. toni says:

    I am a realtor in Oregon and yes this law has been active for about two years. At first I thought well the government is thinking about people’s safety but then my very curious mind thought, “What is really up?”

  81. Viking says:

    Piss on these Stasi troglodytes. I’ll burn what I damn well please in whatever I damn well please.

  82. Lisa says:

    Fantastic! I use a sixteen year old wood stove to supplement the heat produced by my sixteen year old HVAC. At least none of my neighbors will turn me in because we’re all keeping ourselves warm with wood here. I’d like to see the EPA try to get up my driveway in the winter anyway.

  83. dinky says:

    The EPA doesn’t give a dam about megatons of nanoparticulate strontium and aluminum and poisons from chemtrials dumped on us, choking us all to death—but they want us to be cold and broke too.

    The extra electric bill money will probably fund the chemtraling.

  84. Rock River says:

    The single largest consumer of fossil fuels and the single largest polluter of the earth, exempt from all pollution regulations is the US War machine, the Pentagon. how ’bout those burn pits?

  85. Dori says:

    HAHAHAHA they want better air quality? Maybe they should think about stopping “CHEMTRAILING” for starters!

    • FP says:

      EXACTLY!! I just made a comment and saw yours. Plus they’re losing far too much money from lack of eletric cost.

  86. David C says:

    Of course, like all other idiot ideas the gummit has, they forgot about the enforcement of such a directive. How are they going to do it? Who is going to go door to door to physically take out these stoves? Up here in Adirondack country, I would estimate a household ratio of three or four guns per stove… just saying…

  87. pa-cman says:

    you know unfortunately these kinds of things are going to become an everyday occurrence and if people do not rise up, put pressure on their elected officials to shut these assholes down they will keep doing it. unfortunately once some of the freedoms are gone then we never get back to where we were before they steal them. it just seems to me that people like the ones at the EPA are involved in trying to push the people in this country to an armed revolt. this scares me because we all know that there is something up their sleeves if they are deliberately trying to do this. it is almost like they are daring us.

  88. pa-cman says:

    so am i to take it that since you are writing into this site you are one of two types of people. you are either a totally blind blithering idiot or you are a totally blind blithering government person that is eves dropping on the good people of this site. if you do not want to get involved shut the hell up and leave this site alone. at least most of us can still get a hard on without the use of pills you liberal commie.

  89. FP says:

    What a joke! For cleaner air sakes? Yeah, what about all of your chemtrail sprayings???? Making us sick and harming our crops and animals.

    They just want our money. Using wood stoves looses up to many hundreds per month on heating and cooking sources. Plus they just want to havemore control on us… more robot material.

  90. Mike K says:

    This is total BS, but you still can build your own Rocket Mass Heater on a very small budget. Many of the components can be found in the junkyard. Search for “rocket mass heater” on youtube. Not only is it inexpensive to build, it’s very efficient and you will most likely burn less wood.

  91. Nancy G says:

    some of these responses are so paranoid! there is no way big brother is going to come in your house and remove your wood burning stove. Give your blood pressure a break and calm down.

  92. nick page says:

    all it takes is some knobhead british politician to see and we have the same over here

  93. Shannon says:

    Fuck that! They’re so full of bullshit. The government does more to pollute than any wood-burning person. The only reason they want us on the grid is to control us. It would be a healthier planet if we all got off of the grid. Maybe, when the economy dries up, it’ll be the great equalizer, and they won’t have the funds to pull this nonsense anymore. I look forward to the day that the government no longer has the means to stalk and harass innocent people.

  94. keebler says:

    those Taylor outside wood stoves will hold a couple “of” dead animals for nightly burning,along with several logs,for your hot water heating pleasure.

  95. Jim says:

    Who gets fined if there is a Forest fire? Just thought I’d ask.

  96. stupid says:

    ok my FB is shut down anow I cant heat my house with wood???? is mr. president in the heating oil business also???? WTF IS GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!!

  97. Honey says:

    What’s next. No guns to kill animals, no wood stoves to heat our homes – or can’t afford a new one! Quick, where is the KoolAid we’re suppose to drink? We are getting the same treatment we gave the native Indians back in the day. “Give us your guns and we will take care of you.” – The US Gov’t. Look where they are now!!!

  98. slee says:

    Wow. I dont like the government getting their grubby hands into my business any more than the next but i think everyone her is over reacting just a little. I just went to this site and this is the first ive heard of this wood burning stove thing. but from what ive read it sounds like they just want people to use CLEANER burning wood stove. their not saying you cant use one at all. you would think OFF THE GRID people who typically use alternative / renewable energy would have an appriciation for a push to be greener/ eco-friendly.

    • slee says:

      and before anyone says it. no im not pro-government or any of that crap nor am i anti-gov either. i dont wanna pay insane taxes or give up my guns any more than the next guy.

      • firethemall says:

        SLEE- In Looney California they have spare the air days. No one and that’s no one is allowed to burn any wood in any fireplace. That also includes that $4 dollar a log that’s especially engineered to not pollute. They are damaging that business all across the state. Humans have been burning wood since hey have been here, And there is no shortage of humans or lifespan.

  99. Richard says:

    Maybe they should ban forest fires.

  100. Jason says:

    Uh …anyone have a source for this? I can find *nothing* about EPA taking any action such as the one described. As an OWB owner myself, obviously a concern, but my bullsh*t detector has fresh batteries and it’s quite loud.

  101. christopher says:

    The angle of this article is disgusting. These decisions are often driven by private lobbies not “the government”. I would make a sure bet the “clean-burning” NG industry has a heavy hand in this.

    • Craigi says:

      Actually, the wood stove regs started with CITIZENS who complained, yet had no recourse, on neighbors who were smoking up their entire valley.

      It’s the complete opposite of a private lobby – rather completely grassroots.

      What would you do if you were king and a bunch of citizens came to you and said a dangerous haze was hanging over their entire are due to dirty wood burning?

  102. paulie says:

    Its called UN Agenda 21, if you don’t know what it is you better learn. Under this plan they will decide how you live, and you will have NO property rights. This is just the beginning, fight it locally now or you will be sory.

  103. Rebecca says:

    I just bought a new woodstove and it probably meets all EPA rules but this is all TOTALLY CRAZY and BS!! The problem they have is they can’t TAX us for using our own wood. F*** em and feed em beans. I will do everything I can to eliminate the government from my life. They will burn for their selfish ways.

  104. Well I have been burning wood over 40 years And I am not going to stop burning wood. This stuff all started when Obama wanted to go green. And he appointed one of his Muslim friends to run the EPA. For the last 5 years I have been on disability. And I haven’t seen obama or nobody give me anything for free. This stuff about helping the poor people in America is a bunch of lies. And burning wood really helps me on my power bill. They need to go after these people who burn their garbage in their back yard before they start on wood stoves. Everytime there is a storm or tornado, I get a lot of free wood out of people’s yards. I feel like I am helping clean America up. So you EPA bunch can go to hell and you tell your big leader that I said he can go also.

    • Craigi says:

      In the very off chance that you care about honesty and truth (hard to imagine, really), let me mention that the EPA standards on woodstoves were proposed in 1985 and became part of the Federal Code in 1989 – all under Ronnie Reagan.

      ALL of the Presidents as well as the EPA heads (including Republican Christie Whitman, etc. etc.) have been “for” the cleaner air standards, AND it has made a big difference in the quality of life for millions of Americans.

      But, yeah, I know. Obama must have time traveled back to the mid-80′s and whispered in Nancy Reagans ear, right?

  105. Mike says:

    What about all the people, including the Amish that burn their trash, plastics and tires? are they exempt because they are a religion? WTF is this country coming too?

  106. Civil War NOW says:

    This is BS…. Its time for a civil war, who do these people think they are?

  107. Stella says:

    If this article is correct, what about the Chem Trials that are polluting our skies and us at the same time, something to do with controlling weather possibly, do you have these in the USA? we seem to have them here in the UK. No body asked us if they could pollute us and do this to our weather and skies, I assume it it is government approved. And you are supposed to stop burning wood because of pollution?

  108. 37Karma says:

    Good Luck with that!!!

  109. RP says:

    It is getting really depressing. I am almost 61 now. If you had told me when I was a kid or a teenager that even the most basic things such as a fire, would become criminal acts, I would have laughed in your face. Hell, even 20 or 30 years ago, I would have been optimistic and said “Nah, that’ll never happen.” Wow, just wow… I wonder if we even have a change of President and Congress, what they odds are they can or will undo this nightmare tangle of regulations that have been put in place and are expanding daily?

    It is getting harder and harder to look on the bright side. I would be happy just to see the “not the greatest side” at this point. It amazes me to see so many young people slathering over the prospect of bigger and bigger government. The young people were always the ones to defy and distrust authority. Toto, I don’t think we are in Kansas anymore.

    • Craigi says:

      Criminal acts? Well, I guess when you start out wrong, you end up wrong!

      It has nothing to do with criminal law.

      If you want to see the result of “freedom” in regulations, look at the plant explosion in TX a couple weeks ago. Now we find out they had almost no insurance. Lots of dead and injuries and 100′s of millions in damage. Who is gonna pay? Rick Perry?

      C’mon. Have sense.

  110. Echo says:

    has anyone thought about grouping up, choosing a state and moving there? that being of the same mind and not agreeing with local law in your area it might be expedient to move to said state and slowly taking over the state government. by doing so you all would be farther ahead then simply being isolated outposts of resisters??? i’m not advocating a militia type of lifestyle but maybe close to it without being wing nuts and radicals. sounds like it might be a good place to live. maybe take over the country one state at a time and get back to the way america use to be…
    oh and excuse me for any grammatical errors, lack of capitalization and possible missing or lack of punctuation. i’d really hate to insult the grammar nazis..

  111. Yuralani says:

    Rocket stoves are the way to go. Almost undetectable and very effecient. Look them up.

  112. Doc says:

    Absolute horse feathers the whole debate revolves around the difference between 12 and 15 mcg/airborne dust. REALLY the govt should actually participate fully in the Kyoto accord and tackle real polluters like power plants etc how about the forest industry that burns usable wood in the slash piles instead of using it.

  113. Dick Witman says:

    I’m glad the EPA is doing this. I live next to an ass who pumps woodsmoke into my bedroom all winter. It makes me gag. I did nothing to him and the city will buy him a new stove that meets the EPA certification but he won’t get one.

  114. mytwocentsworthfornow says:

    Oh but it is okay for some &^%ing company or is it the government to spray the sky’s with some shit chemicals that we all breath in, eat and drink in the water!

  115. Melisa says:

    I love how the EPA delights in targeting private citizens when the ADM plant in my town spews poisons into the air with the stench and the haze making it difficult to take in a decent breath some days. Where is the EPA with that??

  116. AmericanWoman says:

    Good luck with that… when they get a handle on diesel and can stop factories and car emissions… then you talk to me about my woodstove….our local hospital has been spearheading the woodstove project for a couple of years now. Trying to push legislation to ban them here in New Hampshire citing asthmatics. So its places like Cheshire Medical and no doubt other medical institutions that are backing this. Its ok to work in a place with poor air quality… since they fear retribution of the companies… but targeting individuals is an easy approach for them.

  117. Craigi says:

    Glad to see y’all are catching up to about 25 years ago, when woodstoves began being regulated by the individual STATES. The EPA and Feds were sued by the states for allowing dirty burning stoves…..and therefore had to mandate cleaning burning.

    Before you consider it a plot, this was all under Ronnie Reagan and G. Bush the first. But it’s not their “fault”. Every single emitter of pollution is and has been regulated, from your car to your furnace, so this is nothing special or nothing new.

    Fact is, if they didn’t regulate cars and other such things (and woodstoves), we’d see literally MILLIONS of additional deaths and diseases each year.

    I guess if you think the world is ending, you may not care. But most sane Americans are proud of the way we’ve cleaned up SOME of our air, water and land. “Freedom” is NOT the freedom to cause cancer and other diseases to your fellow 310+ million compatriots.

  118. sherunswithwolves says:

    the area that I live in includes people that for centuries have lived w/o electric, automobiles, and other ‘modern’ conveniences…they are Amish…they are not ‘off-the-grid’, they burn wood…there is no way the ‘gov’t’ will make them give up their way of life!!! This is ridiculous! And I’d also like to know if the EPA will regulate ALL factories, Mills, and other places that put ‘micro’ bits into the air…

    • Craigi says:

      Short answer – YES – the EPA has and does regulate every point of “source” pollution.

      Hope that helps.

  119. Craigi says:

    Hmm, look at the original post by a dude trying to stir up a conspiracy or hornets nest. He quotes:
    “For this reason, wood stove changeout programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable”

    Do y’all KNOW what a woodstove changeout program is? Well, it’s when they give you a NEW and very efficient woodstove which gives you more heat from less wood and smokes less….often for FREE or very CHEAPLY.

    So, yeah, if they pay for it you are required to scrap the old one – that’s the whole idea.

    BUT, in 98% plus of the US (and this has NOTHING to do with Federal law, so complain to your county or air shed) it is 100% fine to sell your older stove.

    There you so. A simple subject really. That is, unless you think the world is ending next week, in which case it’s all Obamas and the Muslims fault.

  120. Billi Vickery says:

    Woodstoves are highly inefficient anyway. Even the newer models that claim 75% efficiency is a lie. That only happens in perfect conditions such as in a controlled environment. Instead, build a cob and brick rocket stove mass heater. You use 25% of the wood you were using in a woodstove and it reburns the smoke to create even more heat so that by the time it is released out of your vent, then is barely anything more than steam. CO2 is burned away as well as 99% of the smoke. Do your own research on the subject and I promise you will be a believer.

  121. J. Keith Brown says:

    Welcome to the Gulag, Tavarich!

  122. Dawn says:

    This is just as stupid as outlawing rainwater collection on your own property! When the governtment actually starts doing their job to protect the people, their food, the environment we depend on, and so much more…holding corporations responsible for pollution, paying taxes, poisoning foods, then I might actually hear what they have to say. This makes no sense what-so-ever, unless they stop factory farming and GMO foods right now!!!!

  123. mtnme says:

    I live in the Lake Tahoe region, where we use wood burners a lot, but we also have very stringent laws for them as well. Truth be told, the newer wood burning stoves put less crud in the air than turning on your car in the morning. Not necessarily a bad thing. Telling you that you can’t have them at all, even if they’re new, (Like Reno, NV does) is much, much worse.

  124. Donna says:

    They’re going to have to ‘outlaw’ fireplaces too.

    • curtis w Scarbro says:

      Okay people don’t freak out everytime someone points the finger at the president you’re showing your lack of civics and how the government works. For the last time the Congress which is controlled by the Republican party are the ones who write and pass legislation or write new laws the only time the president is involved is when a he either signs it into law or be he can veto them, if he vetos them then they go back to the Republican controlled Congress and the have the power to even overide a presidential veto. So don’t panic the Republicans don’t give a crap about air quality so the odds of you losing you’re wood burning stoves is slim to none

      • Vietnam Vet says:

        First, Obama ignores the law and the Constitution and rules by imperial decree. Second this rule is made my unelected government regulators that Obama has with his left-wing moon-bats.

  125. Jet Graphics says:

    We need a national defense superinsulation initiative so that all our homes are snug and warm.
    R48 or FIGHT!

  126. JAQUEBAUER says:

    This is a hoot. The same Tree huggers that support the Communists Obama, Clinton, Gore, and the dozens of others that believe man has doomed the earth to death are now getting shafted by the same people. Imagine living off the grid, in your super “green” cabin located in the middle of millions of acres of timber and an endless supply of fallen trees and branches to supply the firewood to keep you warm and alive in the long winters. This air control rule will extend to Fireplaces, campfires, BBQ grills that use charcoal, and even the accidental home or industrial fires. It’s not a stretch to see the “Air Quality Gestapo” show up in backwoods and remote homesteads and camps, after they were mapped using the NRO spy satellites that can resolve a mouse turd from 800 miles above. This is all part of the Marxist global warming initiative, based on witchcraft and designed to make the industrialized nations pay blood money to the poor and primitive countries. The exceptions ate China and Russia-the world’s biggest polluters that will never succumb to bribery and black-male by the UN and its soothsayers that claim to be scientists. And so, as each day passes, the Communists of the Obama regime add new taxes, and create new laws that harm the little guy and taxpayers. Remember-the buck that goes to pay for these morons to regulate and tax us comes from our hard work taken from our paycheck, or taxes we pay that are imbedded in everything we buy.
    The future is a new police force, the Air Quality Gestapo, who will fine you, and even arrest you for selling your old wood stove or BBQ grill. And say by accident your home burns down, and even before the Fire Department arrives the Air Quality Gestapo shows up to fine you for the un-controlled release of particles and gases emitted into the atmosphere. If you smoke a pipe or cigarettes, or spliffs, the Air Quality Gestapo will be there to tax you. These are the same people that claim cows and livestock, rainwater, and the naturally occurring gases are pollutants that must be controlled and those responsible fined. These are the same people that tried to get bullets banned because they contain a lead core. One can imagine flatuance detectors in your home, to monitor that uncontrolled emission for the purposes of taxing you. This will never end, unless we stand firm and tall and say no more. Government that was created for the common good and as representatives of the people have turned into an Omnipotent Regulator and Taxing Authority, a Master spy apparatus and Police State, an Invader of privacy, and enemy of Freedom and Democracy. And we-all of us allowed this to happen, as we were too busy doing other things, and voting without understanding who we voted for. We elected our own executioners.

  127. Jim Dumas says:

    Before the EPA comes after my woodburning stove, I better see hefty fines on the factors that throw far more pollutents into the air than I do. I had better see the chemical factories shut down for dumping the waste illegally into our ground and oceans. Yeah, EPA, clean up your own house before you come looking at mine. President Obama you make me ashamed of the fact I work my butt off to get you elected and then REElected.

  128. Michael Krietemeyer says:

    And don’t forget not to collect any rain water or any raw milk from your farm animals or you’ll end up in shackles after being raided by the Fed’s. And beware of how much food and supplies you buy at one time (stockpiling) or you’ll be put on a watch list for hoarding products and goods. At this moment about 90% of the American population can be labeled a “domestic terrorist” by D.H.S. for everyday normal activities. Say one derogatory statement about the government on a forum, facebook, ect. or regularly visit what they consider an anti-American website, you’ll also be put on the list. Other watch groups regularly suppress and prosecute anyone trying to promote the “natural cures” of ailments and diseases. We are under attack from behind the scenes. IT IS WAR AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT OPPOSE THE NEW WORLD ORDER AGENDA AND STAND BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

  129. Christopher says:

    How many BTUs come from useless federal agencies?

    • Don says:

      I don’t know but I think we need to find out if they keep poking . I am sure fema knows the breakdown on btu’s per person.

  130. Al says:

    It’s all about CONTROL! and I’m not referring to emission control either.
    It’s all about controlling the population

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  132. Nick says:

    Hey, folks –

    If you go to the page where the excerpt above is taken from, you’ll find it in a section referring to participation in a voluntary program and for a Fed rebate. Notice two other things: (1) The question concerns ‘local air pollution’ rules, IF they exist – not fed rules, and (2) old stoves can still be traded in as credit to stove retailers that will allow the trade. Note that the method of rendering stoves ‘inoperable’ (such as, ‘remove the door’) basically allows a potential buyer to re-assemble it and make it operable. These are rules that are purposefully designed to be non-destructive for folks that know what they are doing and exist only to give the impression of reducing the number of older stoves without actually intending to do so.

    In any event, the EPA has been regulating wood stoves and has had the certification program in place since 1988, so none of this is very new.

  133. Unhooked Living says:

    It does my heart good to read the comments of the awake. I wrote about this problem in my book “The Truth About Simple Unhooked Living,” and despite the fact, as Nick points out, that “none of this is very new,” this is the first place I’ve seen the issue discussed! The wood stove laws are not as benign as Nick suggests. Even though the programs are presented as voluntary and currently limited to certain jurisdictions — you will be sorry when the smoke police come around and start writing citations, if you didn’t “voluntarily” trade up into an EPA stove. This is a typical example of the frog being slowly boiled — people lulled into submission by stealth.

  134. Dino says:

    F the EPA They are guilty of Treason and supporting a FRAUD USURPER….their ultimate goal is total Control
    We have been burning wood for Millions of years it never hurt anyone!!! My great great grand mother lived till 105!

    When are you going to stop this SHAM….. everyone knows Obama is a Proven Fraud USURPER and as such has no legal Constitutional Power or Aurthority to do shit….your trying to ignore something that will burn all of you ….your trying to keep the sham going cause your all GUILTY of Sedition and Treason

    Your time is OVER the Banks and the Federal Reserve have been Legally Foreclosed the USA Corporation has been Legally Disolved!!!!

    We are the 4th Branch of Government and the Last Line of Defense and there is a price to pay for where your trying to go and We the PEOPLE simply
    will not allow you to Destroy what is not yours to Destroy!

    You and all your Criminal Cohorts are nothing but

    Public Servants gone ROGUE!

    Thats all you are……………

    No laws of Congress are valid
    “Congress can pass no law while a usurper pretends to occupy “the Office of President.” The Constitution provides that “[e]very Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States” (Article I, Section 7, Clause 2). Not to a usurper posturing as “the President of the United States,” but to the true and rightful President. If no such true and rightful President occupies the White House, no “Bill” will or can, “before it become a Law, be presented to [him].” If no “Bill” is so presented, no “Bill” will or can become a “Law.” And any purported “Law” that the usurper “approve[s]” and “sign[s],” or that Congress passes over the usurper’s “Objections,” will be a nullity. Thus, if Obama deceitfully “enters office” as an usurper, Congress will be rendered effectively impotent for as long as it acquiesces in his pretenses as “President.””
    And
    Obama Could not be Removed Except by Force
    As a USURPER posturing as “the President,” Congress cannot even impeach Obama because, not being the actual President, he cannot be “removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” (see Article II, Section 4). In that case, some other public officials would have to arrest him—with physical force, if he would not go along quietly—in order to prevent him from continuing his imposture. Obviously, this could possibly lead to armed conflicts within the General Government itself, or among the States and the people. BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IF WE ARE TO SAVE HER! America.

    Bear in mind, that as an imposter Commander–in-Chief of the Armed Forces, “he will be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from anyone in those Armed forces and Law Enforcment. Indeed, for officers or men to follow any of his purported “orders” including law enforcement will constitute a serious breach of military discipline—and in extreme circumstances perhaps even “war crimes.” In addition, no one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch of the General Government will be required to put into effect any of Obama’s purported “proclamations,” “executive orders,” or “directives” (Viera, J.).

    UNDER THE RULES OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    Amendment 14

    3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

  135. Charlie says:

    Echo,
    Check out the Free State Movement, New Hampshire.

  136. Mister says:

    The only way to beat the game is to refuse to play. Follow Gandhi’s example. Do not use money. Do not vote. If we all united this way the powers that be would fall very quickly.

  137. cc says:

    very say to read so many statements that sound like neglected and spoiled children in the sand box who do not play well with others…
    Now choosing to isolate themselves from others who they can’t get along with, not able or interested in sharing, who bawk at those who do get along well with others – it is typical bullying behavior used (most likely unconsciously) to cover up low self esteems and irrational paranoia which is made entirely clear by their incessant need to point fingers, get belligerently defensive about the choices they have made (irregardless of whether they are actually for the good of all, or not) and then to blame everyone else while they try to rationalize to themselves that they really know better than anybody else who attempts to disagree.
    pathetic really.
    hello 2013 – time to get with it.
    Evolve or be left behind – brains, heart and courage will take you farther than your bark.

  138. PDXer says:

    Here is the way around it: (2) cook stoves (an indoor wood burning appliance the design and primary purpose of which is to cook food), (3) antique wood stoves (a wood stove built before 1940 that has an ornate construction and a current market value substantially higher than a common wood stove also manufactured before 1940) and (4) fireplaces.

    I own 2 antique parlor stoves and 1 cookstove.

  139. Kelly says:

    I live in the city in Colorado. I do understand our citizens who live where the only option they have IS to burn.
    In the city, we live like 30 feet away from each other and are by no means off grid.
    My neighbor has a Phase II EPA stove and if he burns CORRECT you can barely see any smoke or smell anything. The dumb jerk thinks he is saving money and wood and heat by dampering off his fires – what this does is cause tons of unnecessary smoke to billow out of the flue and right into all of our foundation vents, dryer vent, fascia vents and eaves vents so we get to smell the smoke just like we are outside. Not to mention the creosote buildup you can see with your naked eyes. We all have forced gas and a gas fireplace.
    So in summary – A Phase II EPA stove is only as good as the operator but if you can get one they do work and also help heat your home more efficiently over the long haul.

  140. B says:

    I grew up with a wood burning furnace as our ONLY source of heat (Actually just got inside from filling it up), and would love for my house someday to be very self-sustainable, including a wood-burning furnace. I would be SO angry if they banned wood-burning furnaces!

  141. Bill says:

    This country run by Democrats and Republicans are making it so that Red China and the really still communist Russia are going to be and seem like they have more freedom then the U S does. We have to get another political party for the people not the poor or the rich and big corporations only, and the politicians only.

  142. Gene Poole says:

    The environmental impact study on wood stoves didn’t include the carbon emissions to produce thousands of miles of oil and gas pipelines, Fracking equipment and chemicals, oil platforms, thousands of vehicles to transport oil and gas, oil and gas transport ships, refineries, etc, The total emissions of all the Wood burning stoves and heaters in the US produce less emissions than the production of One Oil Tanker. Wood is found within 40 miles of the users residence, usually on the same property. It helps provide income for the local community. But the research was skewed to omit 99% of the equipment, steel, vehicles, etc., necessary for oil and gas production and transport.

  143. gene says:

    I went the link mentioned and asked: I was wondering where in the Constitution the federal government was given the power by the states to inspect stoves?

    I recommend everyone write to the EPA. Letters are more annoying.

    Anyway, convert your stove to coal, I suppose. There are ways to reburn exhaust that you can find on YouTube, but it would take some tinkering.

  144. FiddleDeeGreen says:

    I was worried but I went to the EPA site. what the article didn’t say was this “On January 3, 2014, EPA proposed revisions to the residential wood heater new source performance standards (NSPS) under Section 111 of the Clean Air Act. The draft revisions apply to new heaters ONLY and do not apply to existing wood stoves and other wood heaters installed in peoples’ homes”. We live off grid and use wood heat. I just hate it when I read these articles that want to stir it up so they don’t tell you the whole picture.

  145. Tess says:

    Ok…. After this very hard winter and the profiteering by the propane industry bad the urban environment I’ve begun some research for supplemental heat sources. Wow, the power of the internet. There’s a lot that pushes me outside my comfort zone. and, I keep telling myself there’s a bit if truth in everything. Look for it. What’s pushing this agenda.

    There’s a lot of good folks across this nation: those that choose to live I. The wild, small towns, or big cities Things is we’ve always been. Diverse group and we have more in common than our differences. It’s not about winners and losers or us and them because the UNITED STES is US.

    The game that is being played out is the game of power, force, and controlled. A few control this game board. It’s the game of master’s and slaves that has been played to control and move the masses. In this game there is a desired outcome which yields tremendous profits for the few. The catalyst to set the play in motion usually creating chaos, mayhem, and violence, a call to action. This requires social engineering to get the masses under control and use them as pawns in a much bigger game. 911. – Iraq war – huge contracts for the military machine (Cheney). The ever slave/mAster scenario.
    I encourage you to be brave and set strong emotions aside. Use the power of discernment and be willing to hear/listen because there is an element of truth in everything. There are very good folks in all walks of life but there is the intent it seems to hit us from all sides. Our enemy is NOT the people of the US. Our enemy knows no geographic boundaries or allegiance to common good. It wants only one thing: POWER, FORCE and CONTROL. It will destroy anything g In it’s path. Looks like we’re being presented a choice of paths. We can let the beast Winn or with any bully behavior call it out and name it because this evil walks in the shadows.

    Example, ALEC is writing legislation and handing it over to our elected officials and passing into law measures that do not represent their constituency. Corporate control of government is called fascism. With any bully behavior it needs to be called out. We can, read, write and we have the internet to expose and remove from power, status and influences those forces that have controlled the masses for eons. We can peacefully remove our lawmakers through the impeachment process~ Jefferson Manual. Search history and I think Peck

    The point is we are at a cross roads : the old way controlled by fear or a newer way of acceptance, approval and valuing I. Which we are all stake holders. Do we really want these greedy, self-serving SOB’s threaten US, creating factions and sending us to war? I want truth, justice and the AMERICAN way and either we stAnd for do something or we fall for everything. I do ‘t want to be freeing my #%^* off either it I’m pretty certain that this crisis will present a positive financial gain for the $ game. There’s a good possibility thAt it is tied to the Key Stone Pipeline ( look at China’s role). There’s another possibility that all the stress will lead to a fracturing of the US with a cast of characters waiting to “rescue us” and re- establish caste system.

    Research … Be willing to see and not hear through emotion. Make up your own minds and hearts and be careful what leadership you give your power to. It’s about US. God bless America and our children.

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