Off Grid Attack: EPA To Outlaw Many Wood Burning Stoves

Our ever so helpful government has decided that your wood burning stove is now a danger to the world. In another attempt to outlaw the off grid lifestyle, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the same agency that was recently caught using drones to spy on Americans, is now going after home owners who use Wood Burning Stoves to heat their homes.

Lady cooking with a Wood Burning Stove

Shortly after the re-election of President Obama, the agency announced new radical environmental regulations that threaten to effect people who live off the grid. The EPA’s new environmental regulations reduce the amount of airborne fine-particle matter from 15 micrograms to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air.

This means that most wood burning stoves would now fall into a class deemed unacceptable under these new draconian measures. The EPA has even launched a nifty new website called burn wise to try to sway public opinion.

On their site, while trying to convince people to get rid of their old stoves and buy the new EPA-certified stoves, they state that these older stove must be scraped, and cannot be resold.

From the EPA Site:

The local air pollution agency says I can’t sell my old wood stove to help pay for an EPA-certified wood stove.  Why is that?
Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else.  For this reason, wood stove change out programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.

Let’s hope this doesn’t fall under the jurisdiction of the newly created Department of Homeland Security Environmental Justice Units. The next thing you know we might all be getting a knock at the door….. Your Neighbor reported that you might be burning some wood, do you mind if we take a look around?

37 Comments

  1. patrick
    January 7, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    They want 12 parts per million…fine. do what the concrete companies do that burn tires in their process. Put fans in more air flow mixed with exhaust equals less pollution in the inspectors eyes.

  2. Steve
    January 7, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Read ‘Agenda 21’ by Glenn Beck. This is just another small step to the completion of their Agenda.

  3. Nunyo Bidnez
    January 7, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    The EPA, FDA, USDA, OSHA, HSA are not Constitutionally sanctioned programs. They CAN NOT control was has not been granted to them under the Constitution! Period!
    Gov’t controled education and ciriculum has programed generations of people to B E L I E V E that the gov’t has the authority to do these things, and it will continue and worsen until the “People” as in “We the People” say ENOUGH!
    State gov’ts are finally starting to legislate for “states rights” and telling the Federal Gov’t to pound sand when it comes to more recent and most aggregious over-reach of power in the Obama-Care and NDAA railroad jobs. It’ll get worse before it gets better.

    • DizzyD
      January 8, 2013 at 10:59 am

      All of the Alphabet Agencies have grown too powerful.
      What has happened to “We The People”?
      I am afraid for my children who will be left with all this political mess.

  4. MA
    January 7, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Sounds like, “cash for clunkers.” That was an equally wonderful program (NOT!)

  5. Dinah
    January 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Before the EPA knocks on my door they better go next door and talk to that home owner who has an outdoor wood burner. Talk about lack of EPA regulations.

  6. Mike
    January 7, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    They can go ahead and take my wood stove. They can take the ashes to go with it.I will just build a better one out of a 250 gal fuel drum.

  7. GY
    January 7, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    The headline is not accurate. See the following website from a vendor who has plenty of stoves to sell you that are legal. The page also goes over the history of wood burning stove regulation since the late 1980’s and where it is going in the future. http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/hoepareg.htm

    Does anyone here know why they are trying to reduce particulate emissions? From an AK state website:
    “The size of particles is directly linked to their potential for causing health problems. Small particles less than 10 micrometers in diameter pose the greatest problems, because they can get deep into your lungs, and some may even get into your bloodstream. Exposure to such particles can affect both your lungs and your heart. Larger particles are of less concern, although they can irritate your eyes, nose, and throat.” Hopefully you are not breathing the smoke from your stove (Third world countries cook on open fires in houses that lead to significant lung damage from the smoke), but what if other people were breathing your smoke. What if your stove was in a city with neighbors (like my pellet stove) and other people were using wood for heat too. Now all those particulates are accumulating in the air and being breathed in by the general populous. Unregulated burning of wood would then be adversely affecting the health of others. It would be increasing the health insurance costs for everyone in my area. Regulating those stoves make sense. Why should I have to breath other people’s smoke on my property increasing my chance of lung cancer? I shouldn’t. What I don’t know is will a single stove in the middle of nowhere actually affect others? Probably not that much. Or how far can those particulates can carry? At the same time I’ve heard stories about places in Colorado where the smoke from fires and stoves is so bad it hazes up the skies and affects breathing, so the idea that if you aren’t in the city you are safe doesn’t always apply. Pollution can travel too. I’ve read that air pollution from China actually makes it to the US polluting our air and rain. Don’t vilify the EPA for trying to protect everyone’s health.

    • JackB
      January 7, 2013 at 10:12 pm

      There’s a big difference from pollution and China and some dude burning a wood stove in Alaska. These regulations are just idiotic. I’m fine with them going after actual polluters but to say I can’t use the wood stove that’s been in my family for some 80 odd years is crazy.

      And as far as vilifying the EPA. Have you heard of the Sacketts? What about the drones over North Dakota? What about them declaring dry lands waterways? These people are out of control.

      • Leigh S
        January 8, 2013 at 11:57 am

        What a load of crock you trying to peddle. You are in the wrong place for that. Wood stoves do not account for near the pollution that do cars, manufacturers, trains, jets (personal and commercial). I have used wood heat too many years to be told by some idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about that a wood stove is more hazardous to anyone’s health than exhaust fumes. You might want to find another page to troll.

    • George
      January 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm

      That bit about Colorado? What happens is a natural weather phenomenon called an Inversion. So you can read up on it – http://geography.about.com/od/climate/a/inversionlayer.htm

      Inversions happen in the cities as well, including your own. The difference is in the pollution you can see, and the pollution you don’t see as much. And inversion with wood fires is less damaging that a city inversion with all that lovely car and factory exhaust.

      In fact, ONE woodstove or campfire in an inversion can create a haze over the whole area. But one woodfire is not going to destroy your lungs.

      Please don’t villainize something when you don’t know what is actually causing the issue.

      If worldwide pollution is coming here, one neighbor with a woodstove is NOT going to change that equation that much. You want to get picky? Your pellet stove is creating a great deal more pollution than running a gas furnace. So YOU are also causing a big problem, if we take it from your POV.

    • Rebelwithaclause
      February 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm

      Talk about pollution, if they fine me or tell me to remove mine, I will fight them in court. There is a ton of video proof of the daily CHEMTRAILS that they fill our sky’s and air with, and they manipulate the weather, then there is HARRP and DARPA.

      • milidude.
        February 6, 2013 at 3:09 pm

        Dont forget the fallout from fukushima, which the epa purposely STOPPED monitoring and or reporting on. that fubar nuke plant is an ele(extinction level) event ongoing. glad to read here that others are seeing the illegal chemtrails which are u.n. sanctioned and of which the epa turns a cold shoulder to.

    • Don
      May 25, 2013 at 11:35 am

      Good then we should no fly , no drive and no fart law throughout the entire US. Has anyone questioned the science was it manipulated to support there laws? That’s like saying being outside on a windy day is going to kill us from the particulates of a meteor that hit the earth a million years ago . No more laws until the ones we have work. Fyi that means till hell freezes

  8. Luke
    January 7, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    My chimney will continue to smoke. We the people better get off our butts and start hammering these fools.

    • luis valereen
      January 8, 2013 at 9:45 am

      If your chimney is smoking, you’re doing it wrong. A properly made fire is so hot that the smoke is re burnt and nothing but heat goes up the chimney. My fireplace will soon only exhaust low temp steam lol

  9. Runner
    January 7, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Why is it that when we gather supplies in our own homes and prepare for realistic emergencies (flood, fire, tornado, etc.), without forcing our views on others, the government considers us mentally unstable, militant, lunatics proclaiming the end of days? But when they push their rules into all of our homes, while they actually do proclaim the end of days, they’re the voice of reason?

    • Ethel Greene
      January 8, 2013 at 11:37 am

      Because we just don’t have the energy left to resist. They have the money, the weapons, the manpower, and the hatred in their hearts to kill anything and anyone on this planet with a slight difference of opinion. We’re nothing more but cattle now. . . In all of my 50 years of marriage I’ve not once been as disappointed in a man as I am in our house of representatives. At least my husband’s rock hard in his beliefs.

  10. John A.
    January 7, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    There are some damned weird things going on in the US under Obama’s watch, and I just want all of you Americans that are concerned that Canada is friendly and we will welcome our American friends! We have a huge land mass and only a tenth of the population of the US, and our Conservative government still believes in staying out of the lawful business of good, decent folks up here…
    Cheers and all the best, my friends!

    • Greg G.
      January 8, 2013 at 12:12 pm

      I call BS on your take on our gov’t John A., they are hand-in-hand with the corruption at the UN and US-driven crap that affects all our rights as free-born men. Wake up and smell the bacon!

    • Rob
      January 8, 2013 at 12:17 pm

      If they didn’t have a problem with me carrying my guns, I’d already be there. But, it must be by design. I must be needed for the good fight down here instead.

    • fred
      January 14, 2013 at 2:13 pm

      I read you I hear you ~ very commendable Offering your southern brothers sanctuary. But this is at variance with what I read about Canada ( the corporation) Have a look at Henry Makow ‘s web site and read too about Kevin Arnett and I am sure there are many others Including Bob Arthur Meynard Freedom Files Robert Hay . Look at Mary Croft How I clobbered every financial institution known to man ( I thunk that is what it is called) Do you get your news from the MSM? I live “down under” but I know a little about what goes on in Canada And I mean that in the nicest possible way . If you took an active look at Makows site you would know a heap more of what goes on in your neck of the woods. This thing is world wide Educate yourself ‘brother We have most of the people believing that things are pretty good here ~ they have no F —king idea ( makes you want to yell ) and they won’t be told it is just so daunting to think every thing they know and have been told is utter lies and BS. It is going to come crashing down -the lot so don’t say no one told you` Most of the nasties could be prevented if the folks just woke up. Nothing personal

    • fred
      January 14, 2013 at 2:18 pm

      it seems to have jumped a space or two my comment just below was meant for you John A

  11. Michael VDW
    January 7, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    This sucks along with all the other nosensical laws municipalities & EPA creates to justify their exsistence. They are trying to make it so we all have to live like sheep attached to the coporate umbilical cord, consumerism, uitiities, food supply, etc.

    FYI… Any of you fine folks who are thinking about moving to Canada because of the apperance of lack of such laws… think again we have them here too; the Alberta Govn’t has a 95 page Rain Water Collection Guide Book & 135 page Rain Water Regulations Book, as well as anti-homesteading laws, All municipalities have laws & regulations against gardening in the city in your own yard (within certain ‘guidelines’). All rural areas have building & zoning laws that make it impossible to build a home that is ‘off grid’ (they’ re VERY strict guidlines). In most areas, those who live in rural areas that ar not ‘farmers’ are being watched by police for “possible criminal’ activities.

  12. sue
    January 8, 2013 at 12:40 am

    whats next??????????

    • silver
      January 8, 2013 at 11:38 am

      Hear that God no more wild-fires no more thousands of acres to burn or you will be fined by the us goverment.

  13. Cliff
    January 8, 2013 at 3:40 am

    The EPA will let the oil companies sell us E15 gasoline that voids manufacturer’s warranties on automobiles and damages our engines, but it won’t let us use certain wood burning stoves! Just goes to show you when it comes to any government agency money talks and crap walks!

  14. fausa
    January 8, 2013 at 5:09 am

    citizens not people..citizens must be for work…worker must shut up..work..for good of party..resistance is futile..vote “NYET” for to have non-party heat…

  15. ann lutz
    January 8, 2013 at 7:23 am

    Does this mean that my wood butning fireplace that I spent alot of money to build will also be outlawed? they better not mess with me …..

    • DEB
      January 8, 2013 at 11:52 am

      Yes, and because your house is conneted to the fireplace, the epa will get your house…lol

    • Ethel Greene
      January 8, 2013 at 11:40 am

      It was built after 1941, so yes, they will be seizing it, honey :( Try to stay warm, dearie!

  16. Amie
    January 8, 2013 at 7:08 am

    see, this is why we cant have anything nice here in the US. its not a democracy here anymore, its a cleverly disguised dictatorship run by world elites hell bent on domination and control. instead of serving their people, they view the people as something that serves them.

  17. DEB
    January 8, 2013 at 8:50 am

    I believe that if everybody on this and other self-reliance sights would get together, we could show our numbers and more would follow. This has allready started with the TEA PARTY GROUP

  18. Nic
    January 8, 2013 at 9:12 am

    F you in the A EPA, come on my land and effin get my stove!!! I will have a few things waiting on them!! Anyone else feel like an overthrow of the whole thing is the only way were headed?? Why are they trying to make us so reliant on them? They should thank the smarties that are getting back to being self sufficient!

  19. VCmom
    January 8, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Show me the science proving smoke from a wood stove or outdoor firepit (also outlawed in many states) will harm the environment. PROVE it. There are so many theories about global warming, climate change, global cooling, etc – many disproved and discredited – and yet the government is still seeking to financially harm Americans on a disproven THEORY?

    Yeah, not so much.

  20. Joe Dirt
    January 8, 2013 at 11:31 am

    The EPA better start controlling their wildfires on govt. land, or I am going to have to sue them. All that smoke must be bad for me.

    • Ethel Greene
      January 8, 2013 at 11:43 am

      Unfortunately, the government is not liable to pay for any damages attributing to wildfires, smoke inhalation etc. It CAN, however, sue you over it.

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