10 Disturbing SHTF Threats that most Preppers Haven’t Prepared For

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When planning for a SHTF scenario, there’s really only one thing that we can be sure of; Survival will be a bigger challenge than you ever believed possible. While you can definitely take measures to prepare yourself for what’s to come, when you’re talking about a SHTF scenario, all bets are really off.

Here are 10 things that you may have never considered when planning for a SHTF survival situation.

Law Enforcement Issues

1. No Law Enforcement

military troopsDuring an extreme SHTF scenario, it is very likely that law enforcement and emergency responders will be nonexistent. Even during small-scale disasters, law enforcement officers often leave to take care of their own families first. When things go bad (empty grocery stores, no utilities, mass riots, violence, etc.) you are more than likely going to have to defend yourself.

2. Fake Law Enforcement

In a SHTF Scenario, you need to be on the lookout for everything including people impersonating law enforcement and military personnel. During a catastrophic event, you will most likely see criminals preying on the innocent by pretending to be either police or military officers. You have to be able to quickly determine who is who, or stay away from people at all costs.

3. Law Enforcement and the Military Will Try to Take Your Guns.

Think it can’t happen? It already has! In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass ordered all local law enforcement, including the U.S. Marshalls office and the National Guard, to seize all civilian firearms.

Without warrants, armed National Guard troops and New Orleans law enforcement officials forcibly confiscated over 1,000 legal firearms from law-abiding citizens. The New Orleans gun confiscation should serve as a warning to how the government and law enforcement officials will react during a large-scale national disaster.  It is extremely likely that they will come for your guns!

Personal Safety Issues

4. Gangs & Raiders

Prepper ImageIf things go bad, there will likely be more people who mean to do you harm than there will be people who are prepared. This is something that you must accept and learn to deal with. The fact is, most people have no idea what it really takes to survive, and once their safety net is removed they will become increasingly desperate and unpredictable.

Let’s face it, even during the good times there’s a certain segment of our population that’s just downright insane. From the idiots who go nuts and riot after their team loses a game, to the violent criminals and gangs who are already terrorizing big cities throughout America, there’s little doubt that a total collapse would make urban living almost impossible.

5. You need to be able to Defend Yourself.

During an extreme emergency situation, the lunatics of the world are going to be roaming the streets looking for easy victims to target.  If you’re serious about survival, you need to train yourself in multiple self-defense styles and techniques. This means arming yourself with not only weapons but also with the knowledge of how to defend yourself without them.

Sanitation Issues

Sanitation6. Garbage will become a Killer.

This is a topic that’s not often discussed, but it’s one that will probably become a real problem during any long-term disaster situation. If the gangs and criminals don’t get you, the real danger might actually come from something that you already have in your home – Garbage!

7. You have to Stock up on Sanitation Items

When planning to survive in any long-term survival situation, one thing that’s often overlooked is the danger associated with a lack of adequate sanitation. It’s certainly not a pleasant thing to think about, but this one issue has the potential to kill more people than any other survival issue we can talk about.

Mental & Physical Health Issues

8. Maintaining a Positive Mental Attitude during a Survival Situation

The ability to maintain a positive mental attitude during a survival situation is something that needs to be taking seriously. It’s also something that you need to start working on now, before disaster strikes.

Making it through a survival scenario often comes down to how well you can control your emotions. Keeping a positive frame of mind in the face of an unthinkable threat will help you process what’s happening, and will help you respond to the situation without giving into fear.

9. You must be prepared to face a number of physical and mental challenges.

From dealing with a lack of sleep and inadequate hydration to coping with hunger pains and other stressors, survival can take a huge toll on your body. One of the best things you can do to ensure your survival, in just about any situation, is to make sure your body and your mind are trained to survive. This means motivating yourself to get off your butt and get in shape before it’s too late.

Communication Issues

10. You will be cut off from the outside World.

TeotwawkiIn a survival situation, knowledge is going to be a critical factor in determining the ultimate outcome of your situation. The ability to be able to predict what will happen during a survival situation is an important part of being prepared and often comes down to your ability to send and receive information.

When the power lines go down, and the radio stations stop transmitting, there’s one line of communication that will still be alive and well.  Having a good Multiband Ham Radio will allow you to send and receive critical emergency information during a disaster. It’s also a great way to find alternative news sources from around the world.


  1. Daniel
    June 22, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Good points! I’m a water treatment plant operator and have already begun planning for a loss of that ability. I did not however even contemplate garbage or the loss of sewer! Both which would no doubt be gone in any type of catastrophe.

    • Dan
      August 1, 2012 at 6:40 pm

      Some people think about work, social governments, laws so forth…….forget ’bout it. Buy yer food, weps and meds. The law enforcement taking of guns only works if there is a base of operations that has resources, if the country crash that will not happen. You may have some local gunsmoke sheriff, mayor or so on thaT DEEMS they know best, the law of man won’t matter at that point for the first 6 months to a year, it will be everyone for themselfs. The cleaning up of bodies, and anything else that is not related to hunkering down, and waiting for the roits and mobs to wipe out most people would be foolish. I figure anyone you run into after 6 months is a bad MOFO or very stealthy to not be taken down or joining of a gang. You have to wait and protect yourself and forget ’bout it.

      • Heather
        August 24, 2012 at 8:48 pm

        Actually, Dan, the govt made weapons confiscation a priority in the immediate aftermath of hurricane Katrina. They (national guard) stormed folks homes, took their guns and had the audacity to tell the people, “you don’t need these, you have us” and I also heard, “you trying to make trouble? only criminals have guns, so you are a criminal.” Others were just shot, point blank, jerks didn’t even hesitate. Yes, Law Enforcement WILL come and try to take folks guns. Go out in your yard, dig a hole for an outhouse, and then go into your home’s crawlspace and hide at least one gun and the ammo for it. Better safe than sorry.

        • Adam
          September 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm

          I was a National Guards man at Katrina. I was also at the meeting when we put a stop to it! It was the National guard that ended the illegal gun confiscation. It was also on of the key moments in history that brought the 2012 Supreme Court decision of the “Posse Comitatus Act”. The US Government is full of checks and balances. One of which is the Nation Guard against the Federal Army. That was the moment when “Big Army remembered that they don’t control us. That is why an active duty army infantry from the 3erd IN Div. is on permanent quick reaction force in the US. And they have been used. The guard is made up of your neighbors and peers. They will probably be one of your best allies in a crises, make friends now. The Guard may be the only Government entity, including the Police, I’ve been around that doesn’t have an us against them attitude, and I’ve been around a lot. We had quite a few people coming up to us saying, thank god you’re here. They felt like they needed help and protection from the local police and fed agencies, and for the greater part they did. Katrina will be remembered in history for a lot more than being a hurricane.

          • LTC Steve Fleischman
            October 16, 2012 at 5:26 pm

            Adam is absolutly correct, the National Guard will follow the laws of the land and that means the US Constitution and The Bill of Rights. We all swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemys forigen AND domestic. There will be no confiscation of weapons from lawful citizens. Your National Guard lives in your community and are far more attached to the local community then Federal Law or Regular Army. With that said, the Reqular Army WILL NOT violate the Bill of Rights or Constitution either. The Army is the guardian of your freedoms regardless of whether its Federal, National Guard or Army Reserve.

          • Enzo
            November 14, 2012 at 7:48 am

            Thank you for your service in that time of hell.

          • RoyG
            November 29, 2012 at 7:32 pm

            I commend you guys for keeping true to the oath of service that we all took when we signed on for service.. I also thank you for you service and time…

            I do have a question as you have lived the choice to decide to either uphold the constutition or ingor it.. im wondering how the NDAA will play into future choices..?

          • Kbourque
            February 19, 2013 at 3:59 am

            Thanks for all you did for us during that time. I was one of the many truck drivers during that time that was bringing in fuel. I was actually told not to come back without a weapon. And I took that warning seriously.

          • larry
            July 12, 2014 at 1:50 am

            Good for you. Am proud of those who remember the oath we took, I am veteran, I know what is coming and am proud of those who are willing to serve the people not a tyrant government.

          • kris
            October 25, 2014 at 8:12 am

            Thank you!!! I am from Indiana and had 3 of my friends leave to help. I have heared the horrer stories.I know it was really bad. After 2 days we left with our pantoon boat to help. I am glad you said something so I did not have to.

          • Robert
            December 12, 2015 at 10:46 pm

            Hats off to you sir
            You are so correct. What’s odd is so many people do not understand even the basics of government and so easily so thoughts giv is bad, military is bad, police are bad. It’s rediculous. Thank God every day people for our NATIONAL Guard. THEY GUARD OUR NATION. They are NOT ran by our normal military branches and they ARE AND WOULD BE people like neighbors and friends etc. What a story Adam. It needs to be told as I have not heard how that all happened. You need to contact a local TV producer and tell them you have a incredible true story and almost anyone would immediately recognize how interesting that story would be. Or better yet call the NRA. and tell them your story. Or American Hunter magazine.
            I am a police officer and we all cringe at the bad cops and actually hate them more then the public does. Our dept would NOT agree to Any order by anyone to compensate guns There are entire movements by law enforcment to join together to make that intention clear.
            Here is the irony. People who talk out their butt are actually PRODUCING the disinformation which will become the trigger to anarchy. How ? By spreading crap just like the article Adam from our National Gaurd responded to. You see all the preppers etc that are mentally preparing to shoot anyone walking down the street or any law enforcment or national Gaurd THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT GIVE THE REASON TO BIG GOVERNMENT TO GET THE GUNS. I think a time is coming to when SHTF but the tragedy will be the millions of normal people who will want and need help who wouldn’t kill you or rape your wife etc if you were to offer them something to eat or shelter etc. If anarchy happens it will be a result of cleverly planned schemes from our enemies abroad or hidden cells in our own givernment but what they KNOW THEY CANT BEAT is the AMERICAN SPIRIT ! They know they CANT beat us if we ban together, take care of one another instead of kill each other. Figure out how to put back structure and law and order vs how to bunker down and kill anyone who knocks on your door. The sad part is most of the real men in America are at a age now where they are no longer here. Instead we have what better resemble punks or thugs or maybe best said as wimps who in great time of national crises will only know how to think of themselves. America is losing because we are eating ourselves from within. We have fallen for the fear. We have believed the lies and all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to DO NOTHING and that’s exactly where we have been for a very long time.
            Go ahead and prep. It’s something we all should do but guard your mindset. Prepare NOW for how you will think when it happens and be intentional about it and realistic. Put some back for others or at a min be willing to share something when the 35 year old father and mother with 3 young children are walking down the road being threatened by others and hungry. What will you do when the father desperately needs to do something for his wife and children ? Shoot him ?
            The bunker down mentality is WHAT THEY WANT and they almost have it all where they need it for us to finish ourselves off. They CANT DO IT but it’s not just because we have a right to bare arms. It would be because we have that right AND the same American Christian spirit our fore fathers had. We need the HEART that made us great. Make no mistake about it
            Get on board. Tell others. Spread the truth

          • Gilbert
            May 2, 2016 at 9:12 am

            I know your comment about the gun confiscation during Katrina is two years old but as a US Marine I’m glad somebody had the integrity to stop seizing the guns. We took an oath the uphold and defend the constitution and it really pisses me off when I see military or law enforcement violating people’s rights like they did in Katrina. Semper Fi.

          • Tina Holady
            August 13, 2016 at 10:43 am

            Adam, I always thought the National Guard stayed in the States as a defense for the citizens here in the States. Why, then, are they being deployed overseas?

          • GhostWriter
            September 24, 2016 at 10:03 pm

            Thank you sir for upholding the Constitution!

          • Rob
            November 26, 2016 at 7:39 am

            Thanks for that valuable info.

        • joseph brown
          September 21, 2012 at 5:47 pm

          heather that will only work if folks allow it. yes many were taken after katrina but there was a choice they could have fought back. and after katrina most of the military vowed to never again follow an unlawful order to take folks guns. now you will as has been said have some who feel they know best but many have become oathkeepers as i am. this list includes many sheriffs and police along with many from the military. we have sworn to uphold our oath to defend our nation from all enemies both foreign and yes EVEN DOMESTIC WHICH WOULD INCLUDE ANY WHO TRY AND CONFISCATE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.

          • Jesusfreak
            August 7, 2013 at 8:41 pm

            well! PRAISE GOD ! I am so glad to read the comments from our National Guardsmen — I know and work with the Guard here is SC – GOOD MEN who vow to protect the rights of Americans to bear arms. shoot – even my local Sheriff, deputies and local police all tell me how glad they are that I and people like me are ARMED!
            and to comment regarding hiding guns – I’ve noticed lately that when I purchase ammo – I am required to show and ID ! I cannot believe this is happening in our once great Republic. We have all been asleep…

          • Zach
            August 25, 2013 at 6:22 pm

            I was there also with the WA National Guard. We stayed at the convention center then later stayed at the Methodist Hospital. We never did any gun confiscation at least not the 81st BCT I have no idea what units were taking firearms.

          • Zerod
            October 28, 2013 at 8:52 am

            I too am a Christian & have “the Faith”, however, the Lord will be VERY busy during a SHTF situation wherein we must remember; “The Lord helps those that help themselves” & “Faith is worthless without works.”
            In this “situation” your DUTY as Americans is to study & understand the Amendments as per the US Constitution & remember, from experiance, our Police &/or Government DON’T!!
            WE are the Government. Our Elected “Representatives” will be gone like the rats on a sinking ship.

          • kayceepee
            October 15, 2014 at 10:26 am

            That’s what I’ve been trying to tell people who try to paint all P.D. with the same colors as the bad cops. There are MANY oath keepers in the ranks but they keep quiet. They have to.

          • Robert
            December 12, 2015 at 10:59 pm

            To Zerod
            Sir you need to read your Bible if you are going to so boldly proclaim it as no where does it say God helps those who helps themselves. As per what you say about the police you are also wrong. You make a grave major mistake of riding a wagon made up of the bad cops yet they truly are a minority Most cops are cops because we have a deep inner desire to protect and serve not beat up innocent civilians etc etc. There are bad in every group but since you like catchy phrases how about ” one bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole group” or ” don’t throw baby out with bath water ”
            Just please be careful throwing around Christ name and saying you have the faith. Be sure you know how His ambassador should act

          • JoelB
            October 18, 2016 at 3:08 am

            With the qualifications of our current candidates, SHTF may come in surprising forms. Getting and maintaining a support group of preppers, friends, club or church members will be vital, in addition to being prepared physically and financially. Think USFIRST, instead of mefirst! Tribe/community/county/state/nation.

        • i forgot my name
          May 10, 2013 at 3:19 pm

          most likly they will check the crawl space, after all it is a common hideaway spot,I would recommend hiding them in a wall or underground or in an air duct(just be sure to put the gun in a bag so it wont rust,also you do not want gun cleaning supplies or anything else related to guns lying around because then they will know that you have a gun.)GOD bless America!

          • CE Ramsey
            September 9, 2013 at 5:15 pm

            Best yet, either hide them in the honey-hole, if you had a septic tank or reasonable facsimile?

          • Elwyn
            July 19, 2015 at 5:48 pm

            PVC pipe will hole a lot and you can bury it anywhere in the yard. Just glue a hard cap on one end and a screw cap on the other end. You can hide weapons, ammo, and supplies with little work.

        • Joe
          July 11, 2015 at 10:58 pm

          I agree with author and Dan….prepare now and don’t rely on anyone (police, FEMA, etc). Law enforcement personnel have lives too and they will be looking after themselves; who would leave their wife and kids flapping in the wind?

        • ChuckEnter your name...
          January 13, 2016 at 7:45 am

          Your are right. Only keep what you need to in your house. Extras should be stashed. In more than one place if you can afford it.

        • hose
          May 8, 2016 at 9:07 pm

          Then I will kill them first. try and take my lawfully held weapons and I don’t what side of the law a person is on, they’re dead.

        • Mark
          May 27, 2016 at 11:03 am

          All good points, however….Katrina was a localized event. If there is a national event, most of any police force and/or guard will be attending to their own families…not supporting the result of a corrupt government or new world order…

          • Jinnie Elle
            January 11, 2017 at 11:59 am

            Tina Holaday, the National Guard is a state’s resource, yes, but the state governor may “loan” them to the Federal DOD for deployments overseas. Most of the time, when a National Guardsman is deployed, their deployment term is much shorter than their Regular component counterparts. It depends on how much money is in the budget to pay for it. The reason for this is real-world exposure is a much more powerful on-the-job training tool than the simulations and scripted scenarios that formal training is usually comprised of. By the way, I was active duty, as was my husband (we are both recently retired), and not one military soul that I have ever known would follow an unlawful order such as confiscating legally owned weapons. I’m. It saying there aren’t those that would, there are criminals, even in the military. I’m just saying it’s a very small number. Not the majority.

      • joe
        February 9, 2017 at 10:45 am

        If they come and try and confiscate my guns they are dead………I will not under any circumstances relinquish my means of self defense.

    • boiled feces
      August 19, 2012 at 4:57 pm

      I work at a sewer plant and we’re prepared only as much as most sewage in our town flows downhill…we have a few pump stations out in the system and generators for each but how long will that work?

      • tim h
        August 24, 2012 at 9:21 pm

        One of the sanitation horrors is that low lying homes might have their toilets flood backwards as pumping stations cease operation. There’s a valve you can get if you live in a place that’s below the magic mark, it seals your sewer line to prevent the backwards flow. But yeah, you could wake up to find your on-the-grid home uninhabitable.

        I’m sure some folks here know more about it.

        • A former plumber
          September 6, 2012 at 12:08 pm

          It is referred to as a “back-flo preventer” and it’s usually a simple one day install. If they install it inside they go through the floor, dig down to the discharge pipe, cut into it, attach the check valve, and cover it up, with a small access pipe sticking up with a cover.

          • LOU
            February 5, 2013 at 9:47 pm

            AFP is taalking about a permanent installation. My idea is for a quick fix during a crisis, but it still requires pre-planning. The backflow shouldn’t be under a lot of pressure, but the inflatable plug can be reinforced by wood block bracing after installation to precvent backflow from pushing it out of the pipe. Sewage in your house and no running water to clean it up with would be a huge problem. If you can access the pipe, a ball valve could be installed and closed during a crisis if needed. Don’t know how the county would feel about it, though. What they don’t know won’t hurt ’em.

        • Lou
          February 5, 2013 at 9:38 pm

          Get a plumber’s inflatable test plug to fit your main sewer line (probably 3″ pipe), a bike pump, rubber gloves (it will probably be yuccy). There is probably a cleanout fitting in the line before or right after it enters your house. Mine has one and the house id 10 Y.O.

      • Jinnie Elle
        January 11, 2017 at 12:00 pm

        I though it always flowed downhill??

    • kris
      October 25, 2014 at 8:27 am

      hi. We have thought of all of these. I must say I find it sapriseing about the poop and garbage stuff.we do not have garbage pick up. No problem there. And when I was setting every thing up I just figured with no power no toilet. We have 6, 1kwh wind turbines and 32 solar pannels. And a chain link fence that is all hooked up with electricity. But We are diferent than othere preppers. We live in a town and we are totaly off grid. We even getpayed by the electric company for the power we do not use and they take from us. My hubby does not “need” to work but he gets on my nerves so he goes to work. lol We also produce all the food for our selves and 2 other families in our area for years. I think that what we have done is like prepping to the extreem. We can bug out and do this any ware. We live in a small town and we have town meetings ware we all go over what we will do when SHTF. We have many NG members. What more should I be doing? I am at a loss. Just short of getting a tank, I am not sure what else to do?

      • brandan
        August 31, 2015 at 11:57 pm

        you can never have too much ammo or soap

      • Ann
        October 2, 2015 at 11:32 am

        If you are getting paid by the electric company, then you are not off grid. With that set up, when the power grid goes down yours will too. I would install a back up system, not connected to the power grid that will kick in when the grid goes down.

      • Enter your name...
        November 13, 2015 at 4:36 pm

        Where do u live

      • Dean Graham
        February 21, 2016 at 8:34 pm

        When people approach yell we need food. Do you have any food? That should discourage them from trying to rob your food supply.

    • Justin
      November 28, 2015 at 6:11 pm

      In general if a cities water was contaminated at a main point how long do you think you could run water in your house before the conatmited water reached your home. Obviously depending on where it was contaminated in relation to your home. Hard question to ask and answer since there would be so many variables unknown.

  2. Youngprepper
    June 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Not to sound like an ass, but if you haven’t thought of these things already then you’ve got a long ways to go to be even remotely prepared for a mild SHTF scenario.

    • Very true. These are good points, and a good prepper has already considered each of these possibilities and more. Add to this: dead bodies – if they are not taken care of, they could cause the spread of disease, also. If you can’t bug in, transportation could be another problem. Moving your family, your stuff, and getting away without being targeted, or running out of gas, or breaking down, etc. There are many angles to consider. Good luck!

      • Russ
        June 27, 2012 at 2:11 am

        Rapid disposal of all dead bodies is an important point, as in past wars corpses often killed more people than the enemy did. When corpses are allowed to remain exposed they begin to rot, then the fly population dramatically increases. Next time you eat chow with all those flies around just remember where they were a short time ago. There are so many that you can’t stop them from walking on your cake, so transmitting desease from rotting corpses to you really is just a cakewalk for the flies. So if you can’t dispose of the bodies, then you’ll need to plan for a fly and vermin proof cooking and eating area as well as body disposal.

        • laura m.
          June 27, 2012 at 11:20 am

          Russ: I’m assuming burning dead bodies incl dead livestock, other animals would be main way to dispose, unless there is heavy equipment and diesel fuel to run it for mass burials. Same goes for household garbage.

          • country boy
            June 30, 2012 at 1:43 pm

            Get some caustic lime. Cover the corpses with it before burial. The corpses will decay without the stench.

          • Bubba
            August 2, 2012 at 6:49 pm

            In a SHTF situation involving mass deaths people won’t have the TIME to waste digging mass graves and laying out lime. If they are SMART they will burn them, but I suspect in an everyone fend for themselves situation a lot will just be left to rot and spread disease.

          • doc
            September 13, 2012 at 11:11 am

            Bonfire..comes from bonefire..
            OK- comes from 0 killed..
            lotsa luck folks.

          • gritsonamission
            January 29, 2013 at 12:13 pm

            Fires could draw attention that there is someone present, and surviving. If a relative dies, and there is not government official coming around to dispose of bodies, I suggest finding a spot a little ways off from your living quarters for the fire. Remember, dead bodies can contaminate under ground water supplies, so digging a hole may not be the best solution.

          • Madman 320
            April 29, 2016 at 8:02 am

            Gday. If you have to burn bodies in an open environment you have to leave the clothes on, sounds weird but if they are naked they will not burn properly. You definately want to burn the bodies, they can still contain certain pathogens like Hep C, plus the smell is yuck and if they are buried near a watercourse they can contaminate drinking water. On a side note, if the fire is left long enough it will reduce nearly the entire body to ash, but some of the internal organs are very difficult to burn. I’m not a murderer or some weirdo that burns people. It’s part of my job.

        • rose
          June 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm

          ok, i know everyone feels the “weirdness” as of late, but this morning in my back yard as i let the dog run, i found 2, (NOT ONE) but 2 drowned sqirrels in my pool. i know they were probably playing and fell in, but we’ve had a pool up for 16 yr.s and NEVER this!!! (6-30-12)

          • BillyBob
            July 6, 2012 at 11:30 am

            Oh, no! not the dead squirrels syndrome…Wait maybe they committed suicide knowing what is to come…. Ok, for real check the heat, what is the temperature in your neck of the woods?

          • NunJo
            September 6, 2012 at 8:51 am

            Well, thats one way to get rid of them. I’ve come to hate squirrels since moving to a rural area. They eat everything in site whether it’s ripe or not.

          • joe
            February 9, 2017 at 10:51 am

            The earths core has stopped spinning thus affecting the electromagnetic field so the squirrels were confused….LOL

        • Rocky
          January 16, 2017 at 7:59 am

          Ever been to a pig farm? Or Greeley,colo. talk about flys. I see your point.

    • Brian
      June 25, 2012 at 10:47 pm

      Some people are very new to prepping, and may not have thought of these things yet.
      There is a lot of info out there and it all can be very over whelming for anyone who is new to the idea of prepping.

      • Chris
        June 26, 2012 at 10:36 pm

        Im new to prepping and I need to know anything I can about it from firearms to mental and physical preparation. Also I would like to know about some items I should buy now and what I should pack.

        • robertsgt40
          June 27, 2012 at 11:24 am

          Welcome aboard Chris. If you’re just starting out pretend there is nothing functioning. What do you need to get buy on in the short term? Food, water(guns/ammo a given). I went to SAM’s and bought 50lb bags of rice and pinto beans(still cheap). Stock as much as you can. Food is a great bartering tool. Make a list of the basic things you use during a year. As your budget allows, stock up. Pasta, olive oil etc. Things that don’t go bad fast. Also, find someone with likeminded thinking. Don’t tell everyone what you’re doing. They’ll know where to go when the SHTF

          • Chris
            June 27, 2012 at 7:00 pm

            Thank you soo much. I looking for a decent size bag and I just ordered a SOG knife ( seal pup elite to be exact). And I did the same thing at sams, literally today. Rice, different beans, oil, and pasta nooddles. What would be a good fire arm to protect myself.

          • Esther
            June 28, 2012 at 1:59 pm

            I disagree. Those just getting started should not overwhelm themselves. Do a ONE DAY scenario fist–most disasters or grid downs really are for only an hour or two up to a few days. Start there and you are already better prepared for anything. Then 3 days, a week, etc.

            Do not forget that one reason most folks are unprepared is because disasters over 1 week have been rare for over a century (except unemployment)

          • country boy
            June 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm

            Esther is right – plan first for one-day, then three, and work your way out to 40 days without electricity, water, sewer, gasoline, passable roads, commerce, etc. More than 40 is difficult to plan for.

          • chaswoody
            July 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm

            when u start to perpare think in 3’s( 3 days, 3 weeks, 3months, 3 years, 30 years) and then mulipile that for every person ib your group, and here is another thing, the things u take with u will run out at some point, learn skills to increase your chance

          • chaswoody
            July 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm

            i was an army ranger, my DI made a good point 1 day. we all had very expensive knifes ,just throwing them at a tree, he ask to see 1 of them, he throw it at a tree but just missed it broking the tip of the blade, he pulled out his kitchen knife and throw it and it stick in the tree,and he said .see u had knife worth 150 buck and u cannot use it now, but mine only cost 1.50 and it can be resharpen,point is it is not the price of the equipment u have, but how well trained u are at using it

          • chaswoody
            July 17, 2012 at 7:56 pm

            and chris, buy equipment that has several uses , for if you have to carry items on your back. the weight will be a big factor for every1, a SOG knife is a good knife but it is hard to cleana fish ,or skin a deer with or to split a piece of wood to start a fire

          • Big seal is ready
            September 5, 2012 at 8:41 pm

            Chris this is the first time I have been to this site and I see people talking about buying large amounts of food that will store. This is ok if you are in a very remote place. Most of us will have to leave, I will I am to close to 3 big cities not good. Get out buy a dehydrator make jerky dry fruits and veggies. and get peanut butter great for protein Go get a tetanus shot buy ammo. Have a plan, I have a set course to the Rockies and a base ready. I have M.R.E. s guns and ammo buried on a set path there. It is 2000 miles there do I know me and my family can’t carry everything. So every 50 miles we have supplies all off main roads. I spent 15 years in the special forces. Remember you can’t carry a lot of things with you. Get water purification tablets so you don’t have to carry water it is to heavy. You can go any creek pond or lake fill your canteen ad a tab and drink. I picked a place for us 65 miles from any town. This extreme I know but people will kill for no reason when law is gone. Hurry and make your plan now I have spent 3 years getting ready. As soon as it happens get in your car and drive as far west as you can till the shit hit the fan then hike it from there. But you have to get out away from other people

          • Old dog
            September 9, 2012 at 11:51 am

            Hi Chris
            Chaswoody provided a lot of good tips, but when he said “think of 3’s” he missed two…3 minutes and three hours. Air and proper shelter for conditions. By no means did I come up with this, it has been out there for a long time. Read one of Cody Lundin’s books. Easy to read, funny at times, but packed with a lot of things to consider.

            Happy prepping


          • Prepper
            October 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm

            Why does everyone keep saying their plan is to “drive west as far as you can”??? The west is populated too, this is not the damn old west! The Rocky Mountains are no place for someone thats lived a pampered city life. If you don’t already live here, you will die from exposure..if the wolves and bears don’t get you first. If you don’t want to be in the city when the shtf, move now. But don’t come here, we’ve got enough unprepared people who will just make things worse for the rest of us.

          • Yankee Doodle
            November 14, 2013 at 9:30 am

            I disagree. I say let EVERYONE know what you are doing, and when they show up unarmed, use them as food or slave labor.

        • BillyBob
          July 6, 2012 at 11:32 am

          Good for you Chris. You have already started. You are searching the web. There is much info you can gain from this site alone. Welcome aboard.

          • Bigsealisready
            September 5, 2012 at 9:01 pm

            Chris now get good hiking or combat boots. Hot and light cold weather cloths. I Kbar knife. As for weapons I will pack my .45 auto, 3 AR15’s and a .22. People laugh at the .22 but you can kill about any food animal with a head shot for the bigger ones like deer and not much noise for to be located. Get a good military backpack a folding shovel to carry on your waist. A military compass and maps. It is not late to take a class to learn how to use one basic know how isn’t hard. In your money allows it night vision goggles is a must coz you don’t want to move during the day till you are out of populated areas. First aid is I must take a basic class could save yours or your family members life. Read up on herbs, a lot of cooking herbs help your body more than you might know. Like I said before get purification tablets for water a lot of them. You can only carry a gallon on you, but with the tabs you can carry maybe 100 gallons worth of drinking water. Carry a magnifying glass so if you lighter is done or you matches are gone you can still start a fire. Pack socks, a blister can lead to death if it gets infected. Get the backpack now put 40lbs in it and start walking, through the woods if you can get there you can walk all day carting the weight. My 10 yo boy can hike 8 hrs with 20lbs now. If you have a family they will have to do the same as well

          • Cornholeus
            February 5, 2013 at 9:56 pm

            2000 miles is a long way for a refugee. Lots of things could go wrong along the way and you’ll have lots of company.

        • lonnie
          July 12, 2012 at 7:53 am

          Chris no one can be sure of there metal capability until the real thing happens but i do have place for you to start 1,hearing 2,smell 3,sight and 4,this is the big one training your brain These are the most basic survival tools

        • sid
          September 5, 2012 at 11:06 pm

          Welcome Chris. I would suggest to start listening to the podcast at thesurvivalpodcast.com. The guy is up to almost a thousand podcasts where he covers gardening and all kinds of preps, and interviews experts on a wide range of topics. Start with the basics and build up from there.

      • Keystone28
        June 27, 2012 at 6:24 am

        Brian is right. I gave very little thought to this type of until Hurricane Katrina. I mean, I had a plan to head for the family farm after 9/11, but it wasn’t a solid option. But my wife’s side of the family live in Louisiana, and the stories I’ve heard from them have convinced me that this is a paramount necessity. One of our Aunts actually saw a car full of men force their way into a gas line at gun point in Baton Rouge a few days after the levees broke.

        The points made here are a good jumping off point for people who have not really given this a whole lot of thought.

      • Deb
        August 25, 2012 at 5:48 am

        Chris – When you can, do some searches on You Tube. There is an amazing amount of information / videos that you can learn from and things you can make that will not cost a fortune, food storage, weapons, bug out bags, etc. I just learned how to make olive oil lamps! Good Luck -Be Well

    • JulieJ
      June 26, 2012 at 9:50 pm

      Exactly… I was thinking the same thing. If these issues haven’t crossed your mind, then you’ve got more thinking and research to do.

    • RoyG
      November 29, 2012 at 7:38 pm

      well these are all good points but if we were all as good as the youngprepper than we would have all thought about these things and these info boards wouldnt be necessary… I for one am thankfull that new information is always circulating the net.. thanks…

    • Ivylibra224
      November 30, 2012 at 9:28 pm

      It may be true that those people who haven’t thought of these things have a long way to go, but you had a long way to go when you first started too, and I’m sure as time went on you became aware of many things you hadn’t thought about.

    • Caleb
      July 2, 2016 at 8:56 am

      I agree.

      Also I would like to quote The KJV Bible,

      “Cleanliness is next to Godliness.”

  3. MaN1aC
    June 22, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    good information as always

  4. Okie boy
    June 22, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    I have an above ground pool that will serve 4 to 8 people for a year. My next project is to run guttering with a flexable detachable hose to refill it when it rains.

    Sewer line is in backyard with a upright vent hole next to the house. Put a five gallen bucket on it with a toilet seat. Rinse it down 2 or 3 times a day with pool water and you are good. If that fails then the man hole to the sewer is also in my backyard and can do the same as above with plywood support.

    I have traps,guns, plenty of ammo for each gun. back up water in addition to the pool, and 4 55 gallon drums that will give me over 200 gallons of extra fuel. Fireplace and cast iron will work in a pinch, so will charcoal grill and propane grill.

    Bugout location is just under 2 hours away with well and plenty of land to survive on. Wife has canned enough food with bought dry goods to last family for over a year.

    Be prepared

    • T
      June 23, 2012 at 2:41 pm

      Another good way is to get the proverbial 5- gal. bucket w/ a toilet top (can buy at emergency essentials.com) Then put dirt in the bottom of it. Now, do your duty in there…and put more dirt on top of that. Keep going that way til full- top w/ more dirt, then put lid on. Keep it for a year and you have compost.

      • K
        June 25, 2012 at 9:54 am

        Can human waste really be used as compost? I was told you can’t or shouldn’t use waste from any meat-eating animal. I guess if you’re a vegan then you’re ok?

        • Just add earthworms. Google vermicomposting for some info on how well they work.

          • Adam Nunya
            June 26, 2012 at 5:01 pm

            Sorry, but there *is* something to K’s info. Fecal material from humans needs to be boiled to kill off harmful organisms (like the worm ascariasis) then mixed with sand or other soil in order to use it on food-producing crops- and even then there may be issues with concentrations of heavy metals. Vegans aren’t safe either because they may be ingesting already-infested tomatoes, lettuce, etc. Check wiki’s page on `night soil’ and please do more research before you implement this.

          • shadeclan
            June 27, 2012 at 9:34 am

            Actually, composting human waste is a viable alternative to chemical disposal and can be done safely. Check out The Humanure Handbook: http://www.weblife.org/humanure/

          • William Fagan
            July 16, 2012 at 8:33 pm

            I just did a study for our Las Vegas Roadwarrior Survivalist group on Composting.Composting is a great idea…but its a little complicated. Please study up good before you put it in your garden.

          • Lou
            February 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm

            I think K is right. I have read that human fecal matter is one of the most infectious substances on the planet.

        • laura m.
          June 27, 2012 at 11:32 am

          K: I have used compost from cat manure and chicken manure on flowers and bushes; chicken, goat, horse or cow manure on tomato, pepper bushes . Mainly I use fruit and veg waste for compost. I would never use human, hog or dog waste. For melons, squash or anything touching the ground, I’d use veg compost or cow manure.

        • It can not only be used for compost, but can also be used to produce biogas (a weak form of natural gas) as part of its breakdown process

        • S
          July 3, 2012 at 1:15 am

          K, I heard you could especially if you use a composting toilet. As for me, I will pass on this one. I make a mean mulch pile that will work well.

        • sidney
          September 5, 2012 at 11:09 pm

          Yes it can with the right precautions. Get the book Humanure.

      • M
        June 27, 2012 at 8:46 pm

        A lot easier to use existing toilets and place a small trash bag in the now empty bowl and dispose after each use. Eventually you’d run out of bags, but for a shorter crisis it would be a preferred method. Having lime on hand would help as well.

      • Heather
        August 2, 2012 at 5:39 pm

        You guys make everything so complicated. You wanna be a prepper? Build an outhouse. If you want to know how to properly survive a real SHTF situation, you better start thinking about how your great grandparents lived. They managed without running water, indoor toilets, and storebought food. They had an outhouse and a well with a handpump. You waste thousands of dollars on expensive knives, waste really useful 5gallon buckets, buy overpriced and mostly useless guns and you invest in freeze dried food that has zero nutritional value. Build an outhouse, then support a boy scout this year and buy a tin of popcorn. When you have eaten the popcorn, wash the tin and use it to store toilet paper. If you buy the big tin, it will hold feminine hygiene products as well. Problem solved.

        • sidney
          September 5, 2012 at 11:11 pm

          Exactly! I would suggest getting some Foxfire books and books on basic self sufficiency. At the very least, people should be trying to grow a garden.

        • Jayzlady
          September 6, 2012 at 2:20 pm

          My family owns a small cabin that sits in the middle of 80 acres. It has no plumbing or electricity anywhere. It’s been in the family for 4 generations now. We will often go there for extended “retreats” once you have the basics established you’re fine. There is an outhouse, wood stove for heat and cooking, a stream nearby and we collect rainwater in large drums attached to the gutters. There is established grounds for gardening as well as a pond for fishing. It’s not fancy, but I LOVE being there. We have recently added a few solar powered battery chargers for flashlights and such. The time I have spent there has taught me a lot and I employ many of the same backups in my home. I live in a small rural city and we have a wood stove in the house and garage, short wave radios with their own power, a river close by, trees for fuel, and established gardening space. I don’t think we need drums of food and so on….we have the essentials established and a place to go if we have to leave. I also have books on hand that have campfire recipes and other survival techniques. No need to get crazy! Get your essentials know how to find the rest and you’ll be fine :)

        • Terry
          November 1, 2013 at 1:48 pm

          You are right, after the shtf, when your supplies are nearing the end you need to know what you will do next. My grandfather cured his own hams, raised chicken and gardened, etc, Learn how the folks did it back in the day. All the survival gear, bug out bags etc will not help you then, knowledge will

        • There is an endless supply of 5 gallon buckets available for free. Just ask around. They are great for storing everything from food to supplies to human waste if the time comes.

        • Really Old Guy
          July 6, 2015 at 5:45 pm

          DON’T build that outhouse YET!

          Most counties that have code enforcement do not allow open pits (outhouses) of any kind.

          I’m sure there won’t be much enforcement AFTER SHTF, so that will be the time to cobble something together.

    • Wayne
      June 24, 2012 at 5:57 am

      You can’t drink pool water, and you can’t filter out the stuff in it. The best thing you can do is empty it, then refill it and don’t put pool chemicals in it. Then be sure to put a good pool tarp or two over it to keep everything out, including sunlight, which will give you algae. It takes me a couple of days to fill my 24′ round pool, which holds 15-17 thousand gallons.

      • Sunshine
        June 25, 2012 at 10:44 am

        Do you think it would work to just stop adding pool chemicals and let the water is yucky and green? Then filter the ugly water. I figure if algae can grow and bugs can live, then maybe the water can be reset with the help of a good Berkey.

      • SolarStill
        June 25, 2012 at 11:23 am

        A simple solar still would remove MOST of the harmful volatiles, heavy metals, particulates, and bacteria. However, might want to follow with a suitable volatiles absorbing filter. Be sure to follow a regular prophylactic regimen on the still apparatus and post-distillation storage containers as needed.

        • SolarStill
          June 25, 2012 at 11:31 am

          By the way, even if you have suitable water filters, pre-treating heavily contaminated water with a solar still, will significantly increase the lifespan of the filters.

      • Kim
        July 4, 2012 at 8:16 am

        Depends on how you purify your pool water. We use a Floatron, an ionizer, which cuts us to about 2 chlorine tablets every 7-10 days in a 34000 gallon pool. That makes our chlorine level lower than most tap water. In a pinch the floatron works pretty well by itself for weeks. If the pool gets too green, add fish!

      • Anyone who has ever filled an inground swimming pool knows just how filthy the water is. I wouldn’t want to drink that would you? You can’t see the bottom of the pool once that water is in it.

        At the very least, store up glass jars with water before disaster hits. At least you’ll have tap water to drink. eBay may have glass jugs. Not sure. A friend mentioned, but when I asked her if they were plastic, she didn’t answer. Plastic emits a chemical into water too, so not safe to store water in it for very long.

        In the US, buy apple juice in those wonderful 1/2 gallon glass containers. Then save them to store water in after finishing the juice. I’m in the UK. We don’t have those glass bottles here. :-(

        • Glass is breakable and heavy. Just wash your plastic soda bottles out very well and seal. They are easily storable in crawlspaces, closets, and the like. Can be ‘treated’ before drinking (if you don’t trust the regular chlorine in city water to do the job) by leaving in the sun for a day or two or adding 8 drops of fresh bleach. Also easy to transport if necessary.

    • JayJay
      June 26, 2012 at 6:03 pm

      This solution about an above ground pool gets the same reaction from me as a garden; can you guard it 24/7???

    • TANK
      June 27, 2012 at 9:54 pm

      I was told of an idea to dispose of human waste by using buckets or barrels and mixing in quick setting concrete mix as you fill up the bucket. You would have a concrete block that should be easier to dispose of.

      • Really Old Guy
        July 9, 2015 at 4:27 pm

        Have you priced concrete lately? This option for waste disposal simply isn’t feasible (unless you own your own concrete plant).

    • J
      July 2, 2012 at 2:38 pm

      It will not be possible to use the sewer for a toilet, when the power goes out they will stop pumping the waste out of the end of the line, the lines will back up, all your uphill neighbors sewage will come into your home thru your toilet or out of the opening in your yard, you will want to plug the sewer cleanout in your yard

    • Mike
      November 20, 2012 at 8:25 pm

      Hey Okie,

      I too have a pool but am getting conflicting informatin on how to make sure the water is safe for drinking and cooking…purification, filtering, etc., It is perfect for grey water.

      Do you have any answers ?



  5. Rick
    June 22, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Booby Traps, Explosives & Canons (like the olden days) will take carry of almost anything. Save the ammo for up close situations & hunting. Toilets, out house. Same in the city. Water Purification tablets. Bed sheets, shirts, etc. all work for wiping your butt in a SHTF scenario, wash, hang to dry reuse. Garbage should be recycled, cans and bottles for carrying water, tools, making things, etc. Compose all organic material and burn the rest (which will be very little). CB Radio, w \Battery Pack, Solar Powered Trickle Charger.

  6. old soldier
    June 22, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    An excellent article with excellent points to ponder. If a person hasn’t thought of them, this article will serve as a reminder. The thing is it’s never too late to prepare. Item 1 is a “biggy”. With the cuts to law enforcement across the country, it can definitely be a problem in a disaster situation. Item 4, gangs, is something very few people even consider. I have. I used to have a real interest in them. Took courses and attended seminars …read books on them. They are well organized. Few people realize that. Even to some extent, the police. They have a command structure in place, have an organization, and, in the really organized ones, have a dedication to each other and the organization. In a disaster situation, they have the numbers and organization to survive and …can be a real threat. Just a suggestion to close out my comment. Put together a few key books for a disaster library. A sprinkling of emergency medicine, survival techniques, small farming techniques, to name a few. There’s an old maxim “there are two kinds of knowledge: the kind you know and the kind you know where to find.”

    • Derweissewolf
      July 1, 2012 at 4:19 pm

      Sorry to piggyback on your comment..

      In the event of a major loss of the power grid am I correct in thinking that the door, gates, and electrified walls of (most modern)prisons/jail will stop working? Basically opening up, and releasing all the prisoners that get past the few armed guards at the prison?

      • jake
        July 29, 2012 at 12:53 am

        yep thats correct, if i remember correctly when katrina hit they just let all the prisoners and jailed out after they ran out of food and water. prisons only have enough food to last a few days max for all the prisoners, im sure its the same for jails. they let them all out ( murderers, rapists and so on) and rounded them up when things calmed down.

        • RG_77083
          September 6, 2012 at 10:45 am

          Jails, NO, that is not correct, the locks are NOT magnetic they are electric and driven by GEARS. If the power goes out, nothing happens but the gear locks will NOT turn. In the event of a fire, guards have to hand crank the cells open. Houston loses power several times a year and we have never had a jail escape or prisoner escape.

          • kATHY hODGES
            September 6, 2012 at 2:56 pm


          • jim
            September 20, 2012 at 6:23 am

            prisons and jails do have generators. the company I work for operates the generators at two different prisons in nj. but, they usually run on natural gas, which is piped in from somewhere else. if the gas plant goes down, so does everything that runs off of the gas coming from it. their emergency generators run on diesel, but you can only keep so much diesel fuel onsite.

  7. #6 and #7 are great ones. We really don’t understand how running water and sanitation pickup keep us healthy.

    Be able to treat and purify our water will be key.

  8. Donald K. Simmons
    June 23, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Between #1 and #2 should include “paramilitaries”, think “brown shirts”, uniformed or non-uniformed political police, that identify each other with some distinct identifier, such as a hat, arm band, or t-shirt. They may have an existing list of people whose homes they raid, or they may go door to door conducting searches and confiscating things. They will likely violently assault or kill, and they may have field prisons for those they just ‘arrest’ as hostages. They may have sub-groups that act as death squads.

    Often these are organized from other, existing organizations, like unions, as well as criminals released from jails and prisons. They are scum.

    Paramilitaries can be used to prevent or disrupt public assemblies, political opposition, purges and raids on hated groups. In some cases, they may work with the police and military, who usually disdain them.

    After WWII, they were most common in central and South America, but also in the Middle East.

    • Amy
      June 26, 2012 at 2:42 pm

      We already have one it’s called Blackwater..

      • Peter Franks
        July 2, 2012 at 2:17 pm

        Actually AMY we do already have one and it is called SEIU.

  9. My vote is for #6, garbage as a killer, because most people have no idea what to do with their trash if the garbage men don’t pick it up every week! Fast forward a few months and diseases will rampant.

    • June 23, 2012 at 6:46 pm

      Well everyone getting ahead of your selves speaking as a person who has spent 28 years in the military,I tell you if it comes to the disaster you are talking about esp if the big bombs drops well I hate to be a party pooper but you dont want to even live thru it sorry.. but its real folks and as for trash its better to tear up as much as you can look as if you have nothing the more trash you have the more it makes you look like you have alot ..dont talk to strangers keep to your self at first if you have supplies do not ever tell anyone you have got anything if anything act as if you dont . if you have kids tell them to not ever talk about anything in the house as far as toliet stock up on gargage bags wrap them in the toliet stock up also on that stuff they put in the tanks of commerical Greyhound or RV’S it will keep the smell down but the trash bagg is the best …in case if the plumbing goes out ..there is a company out there you can request there catalog its call Emergency Essentials that is loaded with all you need ..

  10. GoodOleBoy
    June 23, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    All good points. An interesting note though is that during Hurricane Katrina one National Guard unit stood down upon orders to confiscate weapons. Not all would do that but it is nice to know that some still have integrity with regards to their oath to defend the Constitution. Another lesson from Hurricane Katrina is that they sent in military contractors, mercenaries, to do the dirty work.

    • Phillis N.
      June 24, 2012 at 8:37 am

      More and more U.S. military personnel know what is coming, and the job they are expected to do. Which is why they are being shipped out, and foreign troops brought in to practice the maneuvers necessary to arrest and kill. It is unlikely that either are aware they will never see home again.

      After a carefully nutured, decades-long global hatred for Americans, we cannot count on common sense from other humans. It will never occur to them that they have been played, or that Americans couldn’t possibly be responsible for the cruel actions of their rogue government, so don’t expect it from them. Nor can the reasonably sane expect humanity from troops who hate us and are trained to kill. There is a language barrier to make it even less likely. If you have truly wanted to be self-sufficient, now would be a good time to adopt the mentality that you are now exactly that. It is entirely possible for you to become a professional at it.

      • K
        June 25, 2012 at 9:58 am

        I live overseas and I’d really like to find a way to get information on what’s going on over here. I read a lot of these SHTF things for the US, but I don’t know what to expect over here. Is there any kind of global mailing list or something?

        • Russ
          June 27, 2012 at 2:42 am

          Since the global economy is global, and since the U.S. dollar is the international medium of exchange, (as I think you are aware since you are an expat like me,) when the SHTF it will be global. It doesn’t matter where you live, global is global. Be prepared.

      • lee66
        June 26, 2012 at 10:01 am

        only those Americans in suits or unusually expensive “civvies” will be identified as the devils in disguise, the rest of the world knows the score! most of us now know that the American “people” have been sold out. some things cant be faked .I am a person with very little in comparison to the “elite few” i could easily identify them, as could the rest of the “people” what I am trying to say is lets not make the “people” so paranoid that they wont help or accept help from their peers. those who live in western cultures understand exactly what has taken place in the U.S.
        Maintain order, group together, UNITE United you will never walk alone.
        Have No Fear!! Interact, make new friends, be more open, dont crawl under a rock, that would be the worst thing possible, this is not a planet for 1% T.T.F.U
        be proud, be alert, be your higher self, show your strength defend your belief and peers, share and share alike, help those who need it, eliminate those who try and take your freedoms as they did before. who dares, wins!

        • wiley
          August 24, 2012 at 9:36 pm

          Love this.

        • RG_77083
          September 6, 2012 at 10:57 am

          If you feed one, you will end up feeding hundreds. They will use tactics like sending a child to your door begging, if you give food, then later 20 will show up.
          GANGS will get BIGGER and more violent the more hunger there is, they will join forces and TAKE whatever they find.
          Hate squirels and birds, they eat everything in the garden. If they don’t what’s to stop your neighbor from coming over the fence at night and eating half of what you have grown?
          If you need 24 hour patroling you’d better have neighbors who join with you and live with you to guard and patrol, even in daylight. Armed gangs will venture farther out from the cities the hungrier they get. They will forage and hunt for food relentlessly.

    June 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    What about community organization? SHFT scenario you will need help. No matter how much you prep. Knowing your neighbors and being like minded will help. If your neighbors think a collapse scenario is crazy talk, then tell them to prep. for natural disaster and keep the “crazy talk” to a minimal.

    • Falcon
      June 23, 2012 at 3:04 pm

      Overcast, perhaps we can get the community organizer in-chief to set things up for us! I’m sure he will help to maintain the peace.

      • OVERCAST
        June 23, 2012 at 3:57 pm

        Falcon, I love and appreciate sarcaism. I forgot community organizer is what B.H.O. did before becoming the power broker he is. Still I stand by my statement.

        • H.billy
          February 5, 2013 at 11:20 pm

          What did he do, clean out people’s sock drawers? I never understood the whole community organizer thing.

    • tham
      June 25, 2012 at 9:41 am

      I agree with you, we will all need some sort of cooperation with neighbors to succeed. Unfortunately, 95% of this society remains completely oblivious to what is flowing at their feet.

      • ExitTheMatrix
        June 27, 2012 at 6:40 am

        I’ve read mixed things in regards to banding together with neighbors. Most people think that preppers are wackjobs. Trying to convince them to prep may put a target on your back. SurvivalBlog, for instance, says keep your preps to yourself and tell NO ONE… because when the shtf, your neighbors/friends/family will turn to you. Turn them away and they are desperate then you have a major problem on your hands.

        • Bezy
          September 6, 2012 at 7:05 pm

          How many of us want to live without helping our neighbors,family, and friends? Better to have extra stored, help your neighbors every chance you get. Make your home a haven for family, so you will have added protection. Better to be a part of a community protecting each other than having everyone hate you.

          • Mfirefighter14
            September 10, 2012 at 4:43 pm

            Bezy, I couldn’t agree with you more. We all have friends and family that have skills that we will need in a WROL situation who will not prep for one reason or another. It’s better to prep a little extra and be able to help them out and have them with you than it is to try and be a lone wolf.

  12. Mikealive
    June 23, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    I’ll keep my preps secret, thank you.

      June 23, 2012 at 4:03 pm

      I don’t have water. I have things that make water good.

      • sunshine
        June 25, 2012 at 10:58 am

        I don’t have access to easy water – clean or unclean. That is why I am working on storing potable water that can be filtered. There is a seasonal creek that runs through our farm, but it is almost 1/2 mile back of our home. I could not carry water that far. I am thinking of setting up a bug out location near the creek and away from the road by have not accomplished that yet.

        • (0^0)jafo
          July 18, 2012 at 12:09 am

          if you have a well look in to the flojack well pump you can pump it by hand up hill to 100 ft.

    • JayJay
      June 26, 2012 at 6:13 pm

      I’m with Mike. Community??? What community–you mean those leeches that don’t even speak when passing??
      Yeah, feed one and you’ll be feeding a hundred.
      Nope—I sacrificed for what I have and can’t save the neighborhood.

      • chaswoody
        July 17, 2012 at 8:23 pm

        i agree, if people have thier heads in the sand now, why should we save them, i know it sounds mean(everything is a process in life SHTF is no different 1st there will be chaos, then as people come together on thier own ,there will be order on same small scale, you can only trust those who prove themself for the good of the group,but until that times comes many will die,thur no fault of thier own and some thru falut of thier own,look back into history you see good things from people but alot of bad things, understanding people and how and what makes them think will increase your odds to live

        • lovethecountry
          January 11, 2017 at 2:06 am

          First, I don’t trust anyone now, and I’m sure not going to trust anyone if the SHTF! People can be very manipulative, and very good liars. I am going to be as inconspicuous as possible, and keep my mouth shut. Silence is golden. The more unprepared people you take in, the more responsibility you have that may interrupt your mindset, your strategy plan, and the very thing you have been prepping for, and that is surviving! That is not a good time to have a “weak moment.” I have seen a lot of great ideas, but I have also read some of the comments, and I see some of you as a target, with some unfeasible ideas. What if, after you take people in, they become aggressive or greedy? They start playing on your sympathies, start manipulating you? They want to bring other people THEY know in? What if you have to leave, and go somewhere else? They do not have the same mindset as you, and you become their caretaker? I’m just sayin. You do not need any unneccessary distractions. My momma always taught me to never pick up hitchhikers. On another note, I came across a tip that I have not seen in anybody’s comments. Start collecting your dryer lint in a bag. It is great for starting a fire. Plus, if your lighter runs out of fuel, just the spark from trying to light it will quickly ignite using dryer lint.

  13. wormdirt
    June 23, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    One of the TOP threats in a SHTF situation (and one that never receives the coverage it deserves) is FIRE. From the moment the Golden Hour strikes all the way to a year into WROL, fire will be the constant killer. Mother nature will quickly reclaim those nicely manicured lots/lawns/parks and open spaces. Who’s going to be mowing in a SHTF situ? Think of all that high grass and brush – we will all be surrounded by it. Can you move your family and your gear fast enough? Will you have the means to do so. Think of all the open flame that will be used to cook and heat. No water pressure. No services. All you can do is get out of the way. I hope all of you take this into consideration when making your preps.

    • Arthur
      June 25, 2012 at 9:08 pm

      An extremely excellent point.

      • KatieMae
        June 27, 2012 at 10:39 am

        Fire! You read my mind. I live in Colorado, where currently this state is lighting up. I’ve heard that the plan for one fire is to just let it burn until the snow puts it out.

    • lovethecountry
      January 11, 2017 at 2:08 am

      Very good thing to keep in mind wormdirt. Thank you.

  14. Mike414
    June 24, 2012 at 7:30 am

    I think this is why communication is paramount ,one person would never be able to conceive every threat scenario. But a network of educated and motivated individuals can foresee or anticipate a majority of those threats. I think it can be shortened to two things only 1. Maintain a working knowledge of surviving, hunting 2.maintain communication with other like minded knowledgable people either by radio, messenger or community.

  15. LP
    June 24, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    In reply…

    1. No Law Enforcement.
    I think a lot have taken the beginning steps. Record firearms sales in the last 2 years support that. To see what’s happening with that, we need to look at enrollments in training academies and schools catering to civilians.

    2. Fake Law Enforcement
    Spot on. Home Invaders are using the fake cop scheme even today.

    3. Law Enforcement and the Military Will Try to Take Your Guns
    Yes, they will – even when laws are passed to make that “illegal”. They will use the defense of “we have suspended such laws for the public safety.”

    4. Gangs & Raiders
    Another great point. Urban life may very well be short in a sustained grid-down reality. I suspect even friends will turn to violence when under extreme pressure.

    5. You need to be able to Defend Yourself
    This follows on points 2 and 4.

    6. Garbage will become a Killer
    Distance between it and living spaces is important. Regular hauling away of refuse could be problematic in an unsafe environment. Local disposal is hard, especially with limited space, but it may be necessary for a time. Triple bagging bio waste for later dumping is a good idea.

    7. You have to Stock up on Sanitation Items
    Disinfectants and hygiene items are truly overlooked preps. Good call.

    8. Maintaining a Positive Mental Attitude during a Survival Situation
    To keep the mind healthy, a prepper needs to provide for himself some of those items that he enjoys now. Comfort foods, hobby supplies, media, etc…. Those, along with preps designed specifically to enable survival should help bring a sense of security and even fun.

    9. You must be prepared to face a number of physical and mental challenges
    Supply and practice. Focus and intent. Training and encouragement.

    10. You will be cut off from the outside World
    That HAM radio, or even a shortwave receiver, will go a long way toward allowing the collection of news and information.

    • Pat Newman
      July 2, 2012 at 6:46 am

      Great info.

    • concerned mommy
      September 6, 2012 at 5:17 pm

      re: sanitation and hygene. no one yet has mentioned that water can be filtered thru pure clay kitty litter which is actually a form of bentonite which will absorb fungus, heavy metals, radiation etc. (it would still need to be boiled or have purification tablets or bleach added to kill bacteria though. I believe a big bottle of bleach goes a long way though) Also, vinegar is a disinfectant which is also anti-fungal/antibacterial. A well prepared person may do well to know how to make it…

      • gritsonamission
        January 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm

        Bleach has a half life. This should be kept in mind when using it to make water drinkable.

  16. tham
    June 25, 2012 at 9:39 am

    I simply do not have sufficient money to be independently off the grid with a home tied to self-sufficient processes at all levels (greywater systems, etc.). I also do not believe we will have a nuclear armageddon with everyone fleeing everywhere at once. Just a continual deterioration of society.

    I did live through the Rodney King riots so I have directly experienced the disappearance of law enforcement and even a case of phony law enforcement. Getting out of central urban zones is key to ANY preparation.

    I do think that being on septic systems along with well water addresses the critical sanitation issue. That’s not out of reach for many. Unfortunately, I do not have well water, but it’s mountain melt, gravity fed and on septic. I’m doing what I can, but if 500 neanderthals come looking for my stuff, I can’t stop them all.

    • K
      June 25, 2012 at 10:01 am

      I know… I’d love to be prepared, but I can barely afford to just take care of the basics right now. I don’t know how people do this…. So far I’ve stocked one bottle of water and two cans of organic veggies in the garage. lol

      • tham
        June 25, 2012 at 10:23 am

        One thing you can do with minimal resources is stock up on some canned goods, enough to get you through a temporary disaster at least. If you have enough chili, batteries, water, flashlight, etc. you can at least survive short term natural disasters. All for a few bucks really.

      • June 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm

        K, I prepped on the cheap and I have some hints that worked for me at my site. Start with 3 days worth of food like pasta, white rice, some canned meat, even ramen noodles to start. If you by soda in liter bottles just clean them and refil with water. Buy a 5 gallon bucket and a tarp and you will at least have a way to collect rain water. Another bucket for the potty and shredded newspaper can be used to cover up your “stuff” Buy a box Heavy duty garbage bags 4 mil. thick. This a great multi tasker from covering broken windows, trash, a tarp/shelter, A poncho, to warming water in the sun for cleaning up, but not drinking.
        A little first aid kit and some candles and a Bic lighter.
        You can probably pick up a few items to start for about $5.00 USD
        Even if you only have 3 days worth of food and water you are more prepared than 80% of most people.
        That’s your 72 hour kit and you just start building on it and make your 2 week kit. I’m not sure about the gun laws of your country but can you buy pepper or bear spray? that will give you a little defensive weapon. Plus now that you are out of panic mode you can shop for a little water filter that will cost $20.00-$50.00
        I know it’s tough but get at least 3 gallon/12 liter of water and 12 cans of soup/stew and or beans. Add a pound or 1/2 a kilo of rice and pasta and you will have the beginings of preparing.

        • lee66
          June 26, 2012 at 10:26 am

          K. you can purchase a water purifier from lifestraw for as little as 20$ there are retailers in US AUS UK check on line for your closest they are good for 1000lt of dirty water.
          You are not alone with a tight budget, those who have young kids are in the same situation. associate with like minded groups as the saying goes, there is a safety in numbers, dry foods, basic utensils, fishing hooks, knife, and a lighter. if you dont know how to fish get out there this weekend and learn, it is easy good luck and have fun!

        • Mike
          June 27, 2012 at 6:07 am

          Wasp & Hornet Spray is a good alternative to bear or pepper spray as its really just mace.

          • Nurseprepper
            July 5, 2012 at 10:00 am

            K: Mike is right, wasp & hornet spray can hit the “target” 10-20 feet away. They have to be closer than that for pepper spray to hit the mark. Go straight for the face and eyes. Keep it at your bedside at night. Of course, it “almost” goes without saying, keep it out of the reach of children. Store tap water in 2 liter plastic soft drink bottles when the soft drink is gone. If you buy even one bottle water to drink while out and about, save the bottle, refill it and store when you get home. Ask friends to save them for you (tell them a friend is collecting them for an arts and craft project). Fill them with tap water and date them. Keep a bottle of plain unscented household bleach and don’t use “splashless” bleach such as we have here (it has a thickening agent that you don’t want). If your city water is chlorinated the water virtually has no expiration date.

        • ter
          August 25, 2012 at 11:35 pm

          Bug spray is good for self defence too. Most cans will shoot over 20 feet.

        • kimmy
          September 6, 2012 at 12:06 am

          i recommend wasp and hornet spray goes 25 to 27 feet instead of mace and bear spray when you have to be face to face

        • concerned mommy
          September 6, 2012 at 5:24 pm

          and dont forget if you dont have a gun, you’ll still have kitchen knives, garden tools, etc. I read
          somewhere that wasp spray is a great defence tool for home invasions, it sprays 20 feet and the person has to go to the hospital for the remedy.

          • concerned mommy
            September 6, 2012 at 5:25 pm

            sorry Kimmy, I just saw your note after I posted mine.

        • Tori
          January 10, 2013 at 12:16 pm

          I haven’t seen this mentioned..in the comment above jamie mentions pepper/bear spray. If you can’t get that you probably CAN get wasp spray. It sprays from a decent distance (think of trying to kill wasps)and if you use it as you would pepper spray, to the face of an attacker, they are supposedly blinded by the stuff and will have to go to the hospital for an antidote. My Gramma sent me this info years ago in response to a mouse problem. It will kill mice. I’m stocking up on several cans!

        • ready4
          December 31, 2013 at 11:08 am

          Cheap sticky hairspray works fantastic for self protection. Dollar stores have a small purse size. Go for the eyes and run fast. It works, I have used it!

          For food: If you are a newbie it may be better to store canned food with low sodium/low sugar than pasta or dry beans (unless you are going to sprout the beans). How are you going to soak the beans and cook for hours?

          Check out how to make a soda can stove online and you will be able to heat food in 10 minutes and boil water, at least.

          Also store some extra Nutella, Peanut butter, crackers, healthy cereal and canned milk, powdered milk, or boxes of Almond milk or Coconut milk. Don’t forget a bowl and can opener. At least you will have something to eat fast.

      • JayJay
        June 26, 2012 at 6:18 pm

        Give up chit–we have no cable/tv here. No entertainment; no dining out; no hair cuts; no flowers or shrubs this year; no blings at all and there are ways to eliminate the ‘wants’!!!
        Buys lots of rice and ramen noodles.

        • Nurseprepper
          July 5, 2012 at 10:12 am

          Sooooo AMEN! to giving up the “chit”. Plant carrots as a flowerbed border (they make a beautiful border). I’m still pulling carrots from last year, just keep them in the ground until I need them. You can do the same with other root veggies.

      • K, I have a book recommendation for you. It’s titled “Surviving Off Off-Grid” by Michael Bunker. I suggest finding it on Amazon.com and perusing the reviews to see if it’s something that would interest you. A major aspect of this book is prepping on a budget, or, more accurately, simplifying life such that prepping becomes a natural way of life.

      • Ralph
        June 27, 2012 at 12:17 pm

        K, be prepared for 2 scenarios: 1. Stay at home 2. Fleeing.
        Also whether you go it alone, or with at least 1 (trustworthy) other.
        If at home, stock up on high protein foods, tinned mackerel recommended. Forget veggies. Start looking around your area to
        identify edible plants, get a book from the library on it.
        If fleeing, how much water can you carry? Best to take chlorine tablets. Also iodine which is dual use – medicinal.
        Good quality multivitamins and minerals. Going without food is not that hard, (did it for nearly 10 days) at 1st it’s largely
        a mental issue.
        The main point is to last longer than most of the others.

        • Nurseprepper
          July 5, 2012 at 10:54 am

          My father hunted for deer, squirrel, frog legs, possum, and other game and taught us how to fish for what kind of fish we wanted for supper, bass, bream, crappie, catfish. We had an outhouse and a well that dried up every summer. Later we did have one cold water tap on the back porch. We foraged for poke salad in the spring, gooseberries, blackberries, wild chestnuts, etc. My mother was a spinner in the cotton mill making $20.00 a week and when she bought groceries, the only things she purchased were “staples” like sugar, flour, cornmeal, rice, tea, and coffee. We had a cow for milk and butter. Chickens for meat and eggs and pigs for meat and lard. As I grew older, I couldn’t wait to get out of that lifestyle, went to college, became a nurse and God greatly prospered me. But over the years as I observed US and world politics, world leaders and their wars come and go, I grew to realize how fragile the world has become both politically and financially. Looking back over my 65 1/2 years I must now say, being raised in “poverty” was the best lesson in prepping I could have ever had and I thank God for the lessons that came out of my childhood. My prayer is that God blesses us all but the life lessons He sends each of us are some of the richest resources we have. Learn those lessons well and actively seek more knowledge in self-reliance. As for me I’m building on the medical aspects of a 32 year nursing career while growing veggies in flower beds, planting berry vines (naronia and gogi) in plain site that no one here has ever seen and just think they are ornamental. I live in the southeast US with a Super Walmart 2 miles away, maybe it’s just here, but on Saturday evening and Sunday it looks like the aftermath of a food buying frenzy for a population preparing for a hurricane. I once asked the produce workers to check the storage room for a bag of Irish potatoes and was told they were out and wouldn’t have more for a couple of days. THAT told me the truth of the stores only having a 3 day supply of food. Sorry for the long post but this is one of the best sites I’ve seen and just wanted to let you know a bit about me because I plan to visit you all often on this site. Great info here!

          • NavyMom2Katy
            October 30, 2012 at 10:31 am

            Nurseprepper: Am new to this site and have found your posts very helpful. I, too, am a nurse of over 35 years. Have been prepping for little over 2 years and feel we have so far to go. You’re right about the way you were raised. Though it was because of resource management that you grew up closer to the earth, my own parents both enjoyed that type of raising, yet have only begun trying to instill that wisdom to myself and my siblings in the last 8 years. They’ve seen the wisdom in the “old ways”, and I’m so afraid they will die before they can impart what they know. We’ve started writing down their thoughts and the stories they tell us. Each time there is a nugget of information that will make us more prepared for the hard times ahead. I look forward to hearing more from everyone on this site. So thankful I found it.

        • RG_77083
          September 6, 2012 at 11:08 am

          Leaving? Don’t bother taking anything with you because the gangs (both city and country) will have setup road blocks and will take anything they want from you when you approach. You’ll end up with nothing in your car or truck unless you are ready to shoot your way through a roadblock… maybe not too wise if you are out-numbered and out-gunned.

          Unless you get to your destination within a relatively short period of time you aren’t going to be able to travel much at all, period.

          Face it, you’re going on an extended camping trip for a very long time. Learn outdoor skills and pray you can get to the mountains and fresh water.

          • Bob
            August 16, 2013 at 7:39 am

            You are exactly right, you will not be able to get out, especially if you live in a large metro area. You know what the traffic is every day, now think about it, when shtf happens, you will not know it for a while, if at work you will think this is just something small, you will jot leave right away in fear of losing your job if this isn’t real. Then when you decide to leave everyone else will also and the traffic would be horrendous at best, with everyone in a panic accidents would close roads entirely, so now you have to walk home if at a possible depending how far you live from work. Then your spouse and kids have to get home. So at best you are hours behind the mass exodus, where there will be gangs of looters, robbers, etc. Which you will not be able to outgun or outrun. I have seen grown men cower at the mere presence of someone trying to mug them, and that is without a major happening going on. You can’t carry everything that you will need, if you think youhave mapped out locations along your route to possibly stay for the night, believe me other people with have those same locations mapped out as well. And if you have a bug out location, it will be first come first occupied. If you think you can just go to the wilderness and survive, in certain locations that might be so, but when everyone has the same idea, how long do you think the wildlife would last? How many people go deer hunting every year and never see a deer to shoot, you would be trampling all over one another as well as shooting one another in fear of someone taking your things. All in all in would be total chaos at best, just admit you will have to bug in at your home or a friends home and try your best to defend what you have and establish a neighborhood or community group, that is going to be the best and only way for any kind of survival, because if you have small children or someone that is disabled you can not move and bug out. I know this post has been long but all the survival books and bug out locations will do you no good unless you are prepared to defnd your home and hopefully trying to branch out when things calm down.

      • Kim
        July 4, 2012 at 8:11 am

        Spend what you normally would, but put your “huy-one-get-one” specials in a closet and pretend you didn’t. Find a local cooperative or warehouse store and buy a big bag of rice for the same price as your supermarket small bag. Check out supermarkets in the lower-income and Hispanic areas for more inexpensive bulk items. Most independent health food stores need help making their minimum orders and will buy for you for a 10% upcharge; United Natural Foods is the big supplier and they have monthly sale items even in bulk that the stores can pass on if you ask. Start sprouting; alfalfa, radish and other seeds as well as most grains can be eaten without cooking if you soak them, providing a great source of fresh veggies in 3=5 days in a pinch.

      • William Fagan
        July 16, 2012 at 9:20 pm

        K..I belong to Roadwarriors in Las Vegas a survivalist group…see if there are any organizations around and make friends and you can prepare together.My group is great…found some ppl I will likely get together with if the shtf. Good luck.

      • chaswoody
        July 17, 2012 at 8:40 pm

        hello K, what most do not understand about prepping is this, 1st thing you have to do is change your mind set, and take small steps, think 3days, get all you need for 3 days and put it inot a backpack, then expend the 3 days into 3 weeks, with food change the way you eat, buy food like rice or pasta, cook it up,then find out diffent ways to enjoy it once you get into the habit of cooking like a prepper you will find it is not hard at all,then branch out into other areas, knowledge is free , if you do not have the equipment aleast you have the knowlegle on how to use stuff or how to improvise, but the best way to become a prepper is to change your life style and habits

      • gritsonamission
        January 29, 2013 at 12:53 pm

        I have two kids, and it’s often difficult to take care of our basic daily needs when life is good. I find myself, sometimes, wondering how I’m going to get our preps together. I am a beginner, and have adopted this idea:
        every little bit helps.

        So, when the kids finish a gal. of milk, I was the jug, and fill it with tap water. Every 3 mos., I replace the water in the already filled jugs (I keep track of when each jug was filled), so not to be poisoned by leaching chemicals from the plastic.

        Also, we get a few extra packs of pasta, or beans, or canned goods each time we go shopping. Not a truck load, just two or three cans here and there… It is slowly starting to build up. If we run into a time when finances are tight, I do not hesitate to dip into our food storage. After all, that is what it’s for. There have been a few times, over the last year, when MacGyverAsawa missed work, and the pay checks were smaller. Is that not our own personal disaster? And we ate very well that week, b/c we had our preps. Our preps are the same types of things we eat on a regular basis, not freeze dried stuff in industrial type bags that are impervious to weather… We just keep our prep pantry clean on a regular basis (to keep out pests), and rotate out things that are getting close to their expiration.

        Hope this was some help.

        • thisthatandtheother
          April 26, 2013 at 3:23 pm

          Do not use milk or juice jugs, no matter how much cleaning you do there will be a residue that will taint the water. 2 liter bottles from pop are a better choice.

          • Thank you. I was saving rice milk containers that I had rinsed out well.

          • ReallyOldGuy
            July 9, 2015 at 5:11 pm

            Actually, you CAN use old milk jugs. I’ve done so for over twenty years. And I’m NOT dead yet.

            Problem is the plastic deteriorates over time–direct sunlight is the worst, keep them stored in shaded areas (think NORTH side if they are kept outdoors). YES, they CAN develop bacteria if there is a smidgeon of milk left (usually near the cap) after washing and rinsing. Keep an eye out for any discoloration of the plastic and immediately discard any that show blue, black, red or green spots of ANY size.
            Nowadays, I prefer two-liter bottles, but since I don’t drink soda, I only get those from others.

            They don’t survive freezing temps either, so best kept indoors out of direct sunlight.

      • Just will not say
        August 17, 2013 at 6:33 pm

        K, I feel you. prepping on a budget is tuff but, feasible. Dried beans and rice relatively affordable and go a long way. Water purification tablets buy them now… food you can go w/o a lot longer than water. Go to any prep site order tabs, very cheap. Topical antibiotics, some form of defense and learn how to use it. Seeds again, many prepping sites for heirloom seeds very inexpensive. One day at a time. I’ve been prepping for years and still have not thought of every likely scenario and I suspect no one has. Fact is it’s impossible… I’ve also lived overseas. I know in several countries they have self-defense programs (for free) Put an ad out if there’s one ex-pat there are many. If your in the EU know it has already begun there and they’ve been squelching your news as well. When it hits the mainstream it will be too late. So reach out to ex-pats in the area you’re at. Combine your resources.

  17. Shamal
    June 26, 2012 at 7:23 am

    The thing most preppers are not prepared for is a “controlled collapse” that leaves governmental structures in place and where the rule of law does not break down. Instead this is charaterized by currency becoming worthless, gold and silver being confinscated and unemployment, and resulting lack of cash flow, causing them to eat into their supplies and liquidate their prepped assets. If this scenario followed by a hard collapse wherein only small “bubbles” of governmental authority remain the result is going to be catastrophic. The first portion of this scenario is the scenario of the Great Depression and the economic collapse of 1914-1918. If it were not for WWI and WWII these scenarios may have fed into the second scenario presented–here in the US. They eventually did lead to significant unrest elsewhere resulting in a world war each time.

    The point is that we are heading for a world war and the two scenarios above are likely to manifest here in the United States. Think about the scenario in Europe in the years between 1932 and 1941.

    • MDJ
      June 26, 2012 at 9:42 pm

      Good points.

  18. Shamal
    June 26, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Another point: Most preppers are assuming that their fellow Americans are all going to be looking to kill them and steal their stuff. While I agree these types of things will happen, don’t forget that the vast majority of people will not be like this. Prepare for the opportunity to help others as well as defending yourselves and you will probably find yourselves in positions of leadership. This nation needs leaders that think and plan ahead instead of the current crop of leadershit that thinks like grasshoppers.

    When the bad times come your neighbors may well look to you to provide direction and information rather than as a source to loot. Keep some hard copies of things such as instructional booklets on how to garden, animal husbandry, etc. and be prepared to teach them “how to fish” instead of either giving them fish or having to blow them away because they decide to take it. By all means, be prepared for that unfortunate scenario but do not allow it to be the only scenario that you prepare for.

  19. Gold$tein-1984
    June 26, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    When I ran a business in gangbangville Los Angeles, I discovered the most dangerous bangers were not those infected with homicidal proclivities. It was the suicidal homeboys that made me think twice. You can’t reason with a rabid dog. Your only recourse is to shoot it.

    So… maybe survival is not worth the effort. My plan is to use my house as kindling to burn down the rest of the village. Survival is not the game.

  20. Sherri Rounds
    June 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    There is an Austrailian company named Primus that sells a solar powered cooler. I saw it in a catalog of theirs. I thought it was an awesome idea. Would be nice to have a cooler.

    • concerned mommy
      September 6, 2012 at 6:20 pm

      also on that website is downloadable manuals on survival and building a fallout shelter, and books about farming, soil management and I think keeping critters like chickens.

  21. D
    June 26, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    For water purification preparation…buy/store 35% HYDORGEN PEROXIDE AND DILUTE (garden of eden is the best)
    This will sterilize all things and goes a very long way.

    June 26, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Sundanzer has a solar powered refrigerator 5.8 cu ft. on amazon

    June 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    I suggest people rent the TV series JERICHO!

      June 26, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      or tv series COLONY

  24. Invader
    June 26, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    All good comments on an excellent article. If I may add a few thoughts…1. Water is a major concern. I know all can’t achieve this but many of you can as I have. Have a well drilled below 75′ to insure clean water. Once it’s completed, install both a electric deep well pump and a provision for a manual pump. You will have all the fresh, clean water you need. Check you location for old landfills and/or toxic waste business near there. We have both a deep well and a 5 spring river on our property. 2. Sanitation is VERY important. The garbage bags are an excellent idea but remember if you are burning it you must have a very hot and long time fire. 3. Get 3-6 dogs from your local shelter. Pit bulls and Pit mixes are EXCELLENT!!!! They are very smart, territorial and love to play!!! They are great for security. Most people are inherently afraid of barking/growling dogs esp latinos and blacks. We have 6 and KNOW ONE COMES ON OUR PROPERTY!! We have WARNING signs posted and are fenced completely around. They have been trained NOT to eat anything except what we give them. Shock collars work well for that training plus they wear them all the time in case they get some moron who can’t read or has a death wish. If we get there in time we have just thrown them(2 times)back over the fence and they can fend for themselves. The police who know us won’t even come to investigate. They just tell they were lucky to be alive!!!
    4. The other thing is only for people who live in rural areas. Make sure you have at least 1 tractor and a backhoe/loader. The tractor for all your ground prep for new crops. The backhoe for grunt work, dirt work and burying the dead fools, who tried to invade your sanctuary. 5. Fuel supplies. You can purchase many types of storage tanks today. We have a 2000 gal tank and many others for a total of around 5000 gals of diesel and gas. Plus we have a 45KW diesel genset with 80 gal tank, a 5kw gas genset a truck that holds 90 gal of diesel.

    We are pretty much self sufficient here. We grow most of our own food, fruits and veggies, also root crops and we have cattle.

    We have pretty much covered our asses here. Now for the real good news….we DON’T LIVE IN YOUR FASCIST AMERIKA ANYMORE!!! We got out years ago when I smelled the shit getting ready to hit the fan. So all I can say is start buying metals, not large bars, get a passport, start looking for a new home away from home NOW!!! Start moving your money/metal out while you still can. Remember, no foreign want Gringo accounts anymore. Too much BS with the IRS reporting now. Now there’s a terrorist organization if I ever heard of one. F’m.

    Anyway we wish you all the best in your survival preps. Hopefully someone will take monkeyboy out or by some miracle Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura get elected. Good luck and may the Force be with ya’ll.

    • Invader
      June 26, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      Sorry..I’m on medication for URI and it doesn’t have spell checker in it. “Remember, no foreign want Gringo accounts anymore.” Is suppose to read, “Remember, no foreign BANKS want Gringo accounts anymore.”

      There are others but I’m tired now and you can figure them out on your own.

      Have a great life…..

    • Good for you. Where did you go, and I can tell you if it will be safe in the pole shift?

  25. Dutch
    June 27, 2012 at 4:04 am

    Wow! Just stumbled across this site…what a pack of paranoid, delusional, self-obsessed losers! Unfortunately for you, the world won’t end in a catyclism whereby you are the only ones savvy enough to survive…you will all grow old and live off the government-provided pension while you search for other conspiracies and excuses to rant your demented theories and laughable survival tactics.

    • Eddie Slovik
      June 27, 2012 at 7:20 am

      Good luck with your “plan”. Sounds like you have just the one.

      Oh, look! The new iPad is out.

      • Mucnagow
        February 11, 2013 at 4:17 pm

        I really think humor is what’s going to keep alot of us sane when the SHTF.

    • That’s right, Dutch, because it couldn’t happen here. Right?

    • June 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm

      I’ll bet your watching ‘American Idol’ right now? Isn’t that right, “Dutch”? C’mon, just admit it.

    • Chefshitpiece
      June 27, 2012 at 8:18 pm

      Im new to this myself, and I do find it difficult to believe. But remember that the office managers at 911 were very quick to tell the employees in the second tower that they should go back to work. The smart ones told the managers to go fuck themselves and got out fast. They lived…the others died.

    • Peter Franks
      July 2, 2012 at 2:36 pm

      Gosh Douche,I mean Dutch,

      What an impotent, I mean important post. Now we just need to CARE what you think.

      Go back to the Media Matters website and kneel in front of Soros like you always do. At least you can’t talk with your mouth full.

    • You’re an idiot. These people aren’t any of the adjectives (paranoid, delusional, self-obsessed are adjectives) you wrote here. Wake up!

  26. Clik
    June 27, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Your best bet is to buy a camper trailer or boat.

    We were nine days without power here in an ice storm and the camper sure was handy. Heat, A/C, stove, fridge, microwave, TV, stereo,and the mobilty to go where things were in plentiful supply, toilet paper, bread, fuel, etcetera.

    • lee
      August 25, 2012 at 9:14 am

      We also have a stocked camper, Ready for when we need it. Either pleasure or emergency. Thinking that will be our plan after day 3.. Get it and GO.
      Our house is stocked for probably 90+ days. We can load most of our supplies in an hour and be gone..

  27. Considering the points that there will be fake police and fake military and the true police and military WILL be confiscating firearms (and very likely any stored food, medicine, etc. “for the good of the community”), and considering that there could very well be forced evacuations to Superdome-type FEMA centers, has anyone considered how to deal with the sudden appearance of uniforms? I mean, do we even bother finding out what they want first? If we let them get as far as stacking on our front porch and surrounding the house, we lose. I’m thinking the good ones would have refused to participate in the unlawful orders. Is a warning appropriate or does that only tip them off that you likely have things they want?

    • (0^0)jafo
      July 18, 2012 at 9:46 am

      I jest hope to GOD that the good ones will refuse, then there won’t be anybody to come on the porch…But looters & thieves,game ON,watch out for the trip wires & A.P.D.S. Jest saing(NO TRESPASSING) but you can stack if you want to.
      (ANTI PERSONAL DEVICES) Think dog shit& nails
      the address is 123 Freedom ln.

  28. Ho-hum. I have plenty of guns and ammunition and know how to use them. Better yet, I live in a neighborhood where guns are frowned upon by my liberal neighbors, making them easy pickings when fulfilling my requirements.

    • Barry
      September 27, 2013 at 1:18 pm

      Instead of aiming to be a useless predator by killing everyone around you and robbing them, why not get off your backside and make an effort to look after you and yours by prepping?

  29. Bert Gummer
    June 27, 2012 at 10:29 am

    The BEST list yet! Other “Patriots for Profit” & “Survival Gurus” only touch on these subjects. 3 tons of MRE’s & half a dozen “Zombie” killers w/500k rds ain’t going to make it. Each of the 10 threats listed requires rigorous pre-planning. The sh*t is in hand, looking to be thrown into the fan. Prep NOW. Stay frosty & standby.

  30. giterdone
    June 27, 2012 at 10:37 am

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned rounding up all the politicians, bankers, lawyers, judges, and ceo’s, and just eliminating them permanently before the SHTF.

    • June 27, 2012 at 4:31 pm

      excellent point, “git-er-done”! ICELAND DID IT! END THE FED!

  31. Drutch
    June 27, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Rule number one during firearm confiscation. Give them everything you have…bullets first at 1200+fps. If you give up your arms willingly you may as well put a bullet in your head first to save yourself from the horror that will come later.

    • Bert Gummer
      June 27, 2012 at 12:02 pm

      Agree. Several other posters have some ideas that do raise a good question; Why do we have to be constantly on the defensive? Every site has all the info on how to defend ones self. How about going out, grabbing these A-holes by the nose & dragging them to the nearest tree? Waiting for the arrival of SHTF just promotes their own self worth & inflated egos. Put Fear onto their doorsteps, not ours.

      • Peter Franks
        July 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm

        Good point. When I started prepping several years back, during the Clinton years, I created a mission statement to focus my preparations. I have all points in the article just need emergency power covered, way expensive. Some preppers are focused on the wrong type of disaster, i.e., the Yellowstone super volcano eruption. Maybe it happens this year, maybe in a thousand years. The current impending economic collapse is real as it the tyranny of the US government.

        To your point, my original mission was “to develop the capability to conduct sustained combat operations against a rogue government”. We have arrived at that point.

        Prepare for what is most likely to happen. Water, food, sanitation, medical needs, weapons, ammo and alternative currency are the 7 categories common to all preparations. The mission statement shifts the focus as to which category requires the most attention. Combat operations has a different focus than just surviving an EMP burst or hurricane. So focus on the mission and duration then hope you guessed right..

  32. Goober
    June 27, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Surviving: Tools required – 1 weapon (optional: bare hands)

    Step 1: survive attacks or attempts to aquire materials.
    Step 2: aquire materials (food/medicine/water/weapons/ammo)
    Step 3: Find shelter until next day
    Step 4: Repeat all steps

    It is that simple Jack. Anything you “prep” you will likely have to leave behind at some point (after it has attracted enough ‘flies’) and if you live for any significant amount of time (in anarchy) these steps are what you will be doing anyway. So get a gun or a knife and get good at it. And welcome to the nightmare world of death and suffering that you helped birth.

  33. tall tom
    June 27, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    When the SHTF…not IF…but WHEN…

    I cannot foresee the Worst Case Scenario developing.

    Of course I cannot foresee it as I have not ever in my life EXPERIENCED anything remotely like some of what is being described. The truth is that most reading these descriptions would believe them to be paranoid…delusional…and so aberrant that they tend to dismiss the idea that anything so horrible could possibly develop. So they respond like Dutch.

    The sad truth is just because I have not personally experienced anything remotely like this does not mean that it will not happen.

    There are many places in todays World where this is CURRENTLY HAPPENING. Any warzone is an example of the Worst Case Scenarios development. Lebannon…Iraq…Afghanistan..and other exotic places are just naming a few.

    The US Military personell deployed overseas to the theaters of horrid destruction and desolation can testify from first hand experience just what it is like to exist in one of these Hellholes on Earth.

    One of the problems is the xenophobia and lack of cosmopolitan exposure which the average citizen of the United States exhibits. This is what causes some posters to react in revulsion and disbelief to what many here write about.

    My wager is that many whom write and are prepping are ex military. You have seen it therefore you know it. It is too bad that the average American has been sheltered from the truth…have had their attitudes molded by the propaganda spewed by the corporate Main Stream Media…thus do not have…or cannot fathom…a clue about the upcoming devastation which awaits them.

    May God help us all.

    Tall Tom
    I Cor 13

    • thisthatand other
      April 26, 2013 at 3:53 pm


    • JUST A DAB
      March 22, 2014 at 11:50 pm

      Tall Tom,
      I, myself, am a working, prepping, fairly young, single mom. I have never been in the military.

      I feel that I am the only one in my circle of friends who is prepping. I do look for websites and threads like this to learn what more I can do and skills I can work on to be more prepared. I have plan A, B, C and etc, just in case.

      I just began to work out to be physically ready. I read books to try to be mentally prepared. I read the Bible everyday to my daughter, so we are spiritually prepared. However, I am still scared and feel that I can’t emotionally prepare myself in the least. Suggestions?

      • ReallyOldGuy
        July 9, 2015 at 5:40 pm

        Proverbs 3:5-6

        It is okay to be scared. It is okay to be emotionally unprepared. So long as you have a “survivor” instinct, and a Mom’s tenacity to defend your daughter, you WILL either survive or die trying. Keep on doing what you know to be right and the LORD will honor that. In the end, the Holy Spirit WILL give you the right words and the right thoughts. On that you CAN depend.

        I am former military, but I’m also 70 years old and can’t move as fast as I once was able to. Still, when it comes down to it, it really doesn’t matter if I don’t survive because Heaven is my ultimate end.

        God bless and keep the faith until the END.

  34. woodhagg
    June 27, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    laundry….without machines, laundry needs are very physical, require proper equiment to heat and rinse water, big tubs and lines for drying..etc. I have not seen underwear and socks or towels or sheets on many lists, or how to do a fully manual laundry. Clean clothes and washing up after sick and wounded is just as important as medical and sanitation.
    your sleeping bag will stink pretty quick, and all that special gear will smell like an old hockey bag in time. Baking soda by the barrelful, woodash, big tubs, and bolts of basic fabrics like sheeting and shirting and canvas/denims. A young girl would start weaving her houshold linens for years before she needed them, because it takes that long to weave and spin cloth!!!!
    Just one thing I have seen overlooked many times, and I do weave, and can even MAKE paracord, but no one will have time or equipment to weave. Cloth will be very valuable.

    • Prepper
      October 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm

      Learn how to make Lye Soap. Easy, uses the ashes from the wood stove and cleans everything. Even kills bacteria. A little soap, water and elbow grease and your laundry is done.

  35. George
    June 27, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    If there is a true SHTF scenario, CW II will rapidly follow.

    (CW II = Civil War II by Thomas Chittum)

  36. Jim
    June 27, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    We have been building our safe haven for 4 years, well 120 volt that can run from either of our gen. set or solar. Feeds a 100 gal tank. Hardned house, Stock pile of what is needed for a 2 year stay. I am a Ham radio operater with HF VHF UHF and back-up rigs plus complete station in SUV. We have at least one back-up system for all. Its taken a long time to get ready and if done over time works well.We have gone with 2 deisel gen. set as fuel does not go bad as with gas. Got off Nat. Gas and went to propane 2 systems to have control over that also. The Goverment has given all ulities to the Army so they can be cut off at any time. Have to be able to get off the grid for a extended time. Good luck all and have a plan and keep working on itto improve on it. We will be on our own and don’tlet people around you know what you have, There will be no food water ect

  37. mick
    June 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Read a sci fi called Luciers Hammer …its got some good insights .By Jerry Pournelle

  38. Kris
    June 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Cannibalism will become a problem once again in the Americas and much of the world due high price of food after hyperinflation has set in, two large scale environmental disasters(Gulf of Mexico oil spill and Fukushima nuclear disaster) and the destruction of the food supply due to genetic engineering.

    • Bert Gummer
      June 27, 2012 at 7:25 pm

      Rember: Tuesday is Soylent Green Day.

  39. escapefromobamastan
    June 27, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    The book “Dare to Prepare” is a good start for learning how to prepare for the upcoming SHTF scenario.

  40. diggerdan
    June 27, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    It sounds to me that most of ya`ll got a roof over your head. A realy good reference is the FOX FIRE series!! I am surprised I have not heard any mention of it. CHECK IT OUT! there are a few different volumes. By the way , I would just dig a hole in the ground and take a dump there then cuver it back up. For water, just get some plastic streatch it out about 2 or 3 ft. above ground to catch morning dew. For food or security – can any body say PUNJI STICKS!!!, maybe not bamboo but you could just sharpen some sticks, kind of sick isn`t it-more ways than 1 to use punji stick! Always cary a good knife, some fishing line, rope, some plastic, clothes. If you get wet and cold you will suffer! a good hatchet or ax – go figure! you guys see, I have been preparing for survival for a few yrs. now and don`t know if I look forward to it at my age but I have been ready. When it happens people will betray you even your best freinds – as I found out the hard way. I have been getting used to living on a 100. buck a mo. and it isn`t that bab once ya get used to it!, I do own my onw property in country though – lucky me for now any way. Heres to yal and hope it does`t ever come to this we all talkin about!!! My van has been foll of supplies now for a few yrs.

    • diggerdan
      June 27, 2012 at 6:52 pm

      By the way, don`t forger plenty of fishing hooks!

      • Ophelia
        August 24, 2012 at 9:26 pm

        Best to you, Diggerdan. Very good points you made.

  41. T-Man
    June 27, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    If and when the govt seizes your firearms, what can you do?…. just sit there and take it up the bum?

    • William Fagan
      July 16, 2012 at 10:21 pm

      If jewish folks had a pistol and shot every Nazi that knocked on their door to arrest them…do you think the Nazi’s would have stopped knocking??? You have to fight…somethings are worth dying for!!!

    • (0^0)jafo
      July 18, 2012 at 10:24 am

      I keep a few broken ones around in case of say you need a througdown caus the bad guy didn’t bring one but you shot first & found out later, or say they come to get them i can give them to them and still have my good ones. as for food stockpile in different places so they can’t get it all, best thing to do is not answer the door, make them break in and shoot them with Wasp apray & 00 Buck as they break in

  42. Alex
    June 29, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Just wondering… what are YOU going to do when ‘they’ come to take your legal weapons?

    • Itsa Payne
      July 1, 2012 at 8:35 pm

      Tell them that I am a Israeli.

    • Dawn
      July 3, 2012 at 12:15 am

      When they come to take my guns? They can have the “receipt” showing that my 30.06, .38, 12g and 20g were all recently taken to a shop for cleaning and maintenance (this is already on my computer ready for a date and printing). Meanwhile if SHTF and there is even a thought that they will come for our guns we will immediately move the 4 metal planters in the back yard and slip the guns and ammo into the PVC pipes that are already waitingunderneath. I’ll look scared, and cry and ask who I should call for help. The next person who comes to my house will not receive such a warm welcome.

  43. Dawn
    July 3, 2012 at 12:29 am

    A couple of things I thought of that I rarely see mentioned:
    Good shoes/hiking boots/socks – if it lasts more than a few days there will be no fuel. And, even if you do have the ability to store hundreds of gallons you cant take it if you have to leave. Roads will be clogged and eventually the vehicle will run out of gas or break down.
    Bikes/motor bikes – Even if you bug in bikes will be invaluable in a shtf scenario. You can get around accidents or clogged roadways, you can hide easier if needed, and you can save precious fuel for exploring or making short trips.
    Do I think S*** will hit the fan? I see our society degrading every day. I hear of things happeining in our government that scare me. I read about other countries going through civil war. Everything falls at some point. So, a few extra cans of veggies a week, an extra box of ammo every paycheck, a few cases of water every month… At the very least I know I can feed my children if I were to be laid off for a year straight.

  44. Don Russell
    July 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    cataloges and phone books make great toilet tissue. the Indians used plant leaves or grass for same. there’s no need to build a privy, just dig a hole, use the excavated dirt to cover the waste. get below ground for shtf, people. Simple bug netting covers the entrance hole.

    ww2 took 5 years to kill 50 mill people. shtf will kill 10% of US in 30 days, just from lack of electricity. 30mill dead bodies, from lack of AC, refrigeration, water access, heating, on respirators, etc.

    • (0^0)jafo
      July 18, 2012 at 9:52 am

      Don, It aut to be a lot quiter around here, looking forward to it myself.

  45. Wyntyr
    August 24, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    I’m just starting to teach myself for when SHTF. Here’s the things I’m looking at:

    Ammo Reloading – Stores aren’t going to restock after it hits

    Wildcrafting – Nature provided food before grocery stores. Get online and find what edible plants are in your area. I found this site today: http://www.wildcrafting.net/ In an urban area? Check out Steve Brill: http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/

    Water filtration – I live a block away from a channel that connects to a local port off the Gulf. I’ll have access to water… but I’ll have to clean it first.

    Other than that, I’m reading and finding sites like this one in which I can get information. There will always be someone I can learn from.

    As far as community goes, the only way I see that working is if a community of preppers got together BEFORE SHTF. Or if a big enough group of family/friends bands together.

    For now, I wish all of you the best. When it happens, I hope you stay safe and well fed.

  46. tray
    August 25, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Well i have been new to prepping but have thought about it for years. I have a farm small but big enough to be self staining its miles away from any town and I’m learning how to live of grid i have trained myself with a bow and hunt every year i also have books on every topic from trapping to growing a year round garden.but now I’m trying to build a community around me to help with survival.how should i go about that one

  47. church
    August 25, 2012 at 7:50 am

    LMFAO….this people are nutts they have not the first ideal on how to survive…..they talk about tomorrow as if it has come an gone…survival is a everyday thing….cheese&crackers

  48. Emma
    August 25, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I know what is going to happen to me. My family is well prepared. Lots of water almost completely self stable food wise, blah blah blah blah blah. I am only 14 but i know there will be a time when my medication runs out, i will have no more therapy, no one to talk to besides my family. When the realization hits me that my friends my family are all dead or dying I will most likely try killing my self again except this time no one can save me. This will be the end result for alot of kids my age no matter what people think. Kids kill them self’s now when they are not truly alone. You might say but they are not alone they have there family’s. Let me ask you, did you tell your family everything? Even for a diesent amount of adults will kill them self’s. Idk whats going to happen or when it is. I am just a kid, the only reason i am even on this website is that it was up on the computer when i got a hold of it. It is the sad fact of life. WE will all die, one way or another.

    • Marie
      August 31, 2012 at 8:07 pm

      Hi Emma,
      Your post affected me most of all. I remember being your age and feeling EXACTLY the same way. The world was in turmoil and my family did not understand me. A war was going on and everyday we thought bombs would distroy the world as we knew it. I felt helpless and like you,, believed there was nothing I could do to change things or make it better. We lived near a marine base and a major navel shipping port. The Blue Angels practiced flying over our house cracking the sound barrier and shaking the windows so violently that we would run for cover and try to hide. We never knew if it was a real threat coming or not until it was over. But we tried to be prepared because nothing is for certain, except for this. We ALL have a PURPOSE and a responsibility to live for that purpose. You never know who you might meet that needs you at that very important moment. Without you, they might not have the chance to learn something from you that they need to find their way. To give up on yourself is to cheat everyone you know, haven’t met yet, or loved. To give up is to stop learning what you CAN do…. and that is extremely important to the world’s survival. We all need to focus on what we can do to make the world a better place. Making friends is the first step. And after that, reading and learning all we can about something that matters to us…..because one day your knowledge might save the life of another, or help to make this world a better place. You haven’t lived long enough to know what you can do, or what you really WANT to do. Life has a curios way of taking us places we never knew existed and that adventure is best experienced when we prepare. You have lots to do, so don’t give up. Best wishes to you!

      • Gary
        September 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm

        Excellent. Totally agree

    • caringsoul
      June 23, 2015 at 11:29 pm

      Dear Emma,suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem,your life is a most valuable gift,it may serve another’s need for their survival,and their is a period in everyone’s life when it seem’s hopeless,I have lived through combat,and many of my friend’s have commited suicide,life is a beautiful thing and you deserve the best,we all do! my LOVE and best wishe’s to you and finding your happiness it will happen!!!.winner’s never quit & quiter’s never win…..GODSPEED and good luck to you and your’s E.L U.S.N

  49. The One
    August 27, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Many valid points here. Most are at least starting to think. What all of you must understand is that the collapse you see coming has been created by the power elite that think you are just useless eaters that need to be exterminated. The SHTF is to be used to thin the heard and soften up those of us who have been getting ready for their totalitarian take over.
    YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE ALONE!!! You need to organize. even a small group has a better chance to survive the initial crap. But you better be part of a larger group when troops start to appear to round up the SHEEPLE! Be ready to resist by any means or you will be removed to a camp and terminated.

  50. Radio Guy
    September 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Absolutely agree with all 10 points. I am VERY involved with #10 and would like to talk to someone at OTG about it sometime. There are many plans in the works to maintain communication across the country and there are many ways to secure your communications gear against the worst possible scenario.

    • M Riley
      October 15, 2014 at 9:31 am

      Question for all here:
      I keep hearing “don’t give up – never give up” a lot here, but it seems in a way everyone already has. I see what’s going on, and from what I read here am an advanced prepper…..I do believe that S might HTF…..but aside from getting ready, is ANYBODY fighting on the other fronts? I see millions in the streets of OTHER countries, demanding (and some getting) change. In the Vietnam era, WE took to the streets and demanded change. I can’t give up ALL HOPE that evil leaders can be turned out, and better days could be ahead for us, AND the planet…….I go to DC every November to tell our bought and paid for political hacks what I think…and our numbers keep growing. SO……what say you all? Is there hope…..are many of us still trying? (it seems there is a mentality amongst many preppers that WANT the SHTF scenario to happen, either because they think they are ready – trust me, few of us REALLY are – or they have given up hope – I guess I’m asking if this has become self fulfilling?

  51. Anita
    September 5, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    FYI, As I read #3 to my husband who has served in the military over 20 years and has worked 30 years in law enforcement he asked me a question. “Do you not remember what happened when rescuers went into certain neighborhoods?” I didn’t remember, but people were shooting at rescuers and law enforcement. At that point they were told to seize weapons. I haven’t goggled it yet but I’m guessing if I did I would find plenty of information on it.

  52. Stefanie
    September 5, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    This prepping thing is all new to me. I know I definitive want to put things away incase of an emergency… but can I ask everyone here a question…??? What is your definition of the SHTF …. I know what it stands for, I just want to see what people think is going to happen …

  53. Dina
    September 5, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Hurricane Katrina … there was really good reason for gun confiscation! I was very close to that area and I know that the people in that area were not behaving like good people should… that is why guns were confiscated… I am grateful to live very far away from there now!! I am guessing that there will be some folks here that ‘freak out’ and misbehave in a SHTF ordeal… but I would like to believe that there are going to be more people already prepared and remaining calm… and helping others, not causing harm to them. I love living in Idaho!

  54. Susan
    September 5, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    In1995 when living in St Thomas VI we had a hurricane that devastated the island. During that time I lived without electricity for 2 months and survived with no rioting and did not feel unsafe. The community came together and looked after each other. This is an island that had a extreme amount of poverty. So I would like to hear from others who have had experience in surviving adversity then listen to those who are projecting the what ifs.

  55. Cynthia
    September 6, 2012 at 5:52 am

    I think all of this is very important to know and I thank you.

  56. Dwayne
    September 6, 2012 at 10:37 am

    learn how to fish and clean fish.

  57. RG_77083
    September 6, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Get a hacksaw and cut your rain gutter down spouts off at barrel level; you can buy 55 gallon, blue plastic water barrels for $55 each at N2IT Containers in Southeast Houston. Rainwater can be used for sanitation, clothes washing, gardening, etc. It can be used for drinking only if you have added some bleach (due to possible bird droppings on your roof, etc.)

    Gardening is all fine and good but unless you have a 24 hour guard you’ll have difficulty raising much of anything due to birds, squirrels, possums, etc. Unless you are way out in the country scavengers (or neighbors) could easily raid your garden and eat or steal a lot of it before you wake up in the morning. Share the responsibilities with close by neighbors to have a larger garden and have 24 hour rotating shifts to guard all your properties.

    Garden size? Think about how much food you will need for one adult to survive the winter. How many plants will you need? How many acres of space will you need to survive the winter? Be realistic.

    Garbage and refuse; get a METAL trash can and BURN all trash that is burnable on a daily basis. You’ll have to make large air holes in the bottom to keep the fire going. Separate plastic and metals out and bury.

    One thing the “sewer stream media” fails to mention when they talk about when the SHTF … sure, it’s all fine and good to have SOME gold or silver, but the next time you hear a story about $10 gasoline or $10 for a loaf of bread… add five words… “IF YOU CAN FIND IT.” Your silver or gold isn’t worth crap if there is nothing to buy.

    Bodies? The military way is to drag them to the entrance of your neighborhood and BURN them and leave the carcasses there as a signal to other gangs not to enter.

  58. Worried Grandma
    September 20, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I have been prepping for sometime now. I have a few questions.1)We have 2 bows and are about to get 2 crossbows. Most in the group can use them. I know we need at least 1 gun, what is the best to get?
    2) We have 3-5 guys in the group only one is into prepping. Really it is me, 2 other females and 1 guy doing the prepping. How do we get the rest in the family to prep? (I don’t want any of our family or friends to show up and have to turn them away.
    3)We have a 2&3yr any ideas for moving them on foot through different types of areas, like someone said we would want to move at night when they would hopefully be sleeping. I thought about making some type of a cart that would have a small bed space and maybe an area under where they would sleep to hold all the gear. which would leave the adults carrying only a weapon and help pushing or pulling. Any ideas?
    4)I live in what is called the Southeastern Ohio, it is a small town, I am 86 miles from a big city in a different state and 2 hrs from a major city in my state. Is it safe to bug in?
    Sorry this is long and I thank each of you for reading. New to this site.

    • thisthatandother
      April 26, 2013 at 4:25 pm

      There is a jogging stroller for either one child or two (double stroller). You may be able to improvise and make one. Build a cart with the same concept.

  59. dave
    September 28, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Also, in the event that there is a small window of time after the SHTF when electricity still works and/ or when my generator still works and I have fuel, here is my immediate plan:

    Immediately visit the nearby grocery store and stock up as much as I can fit in the cart of canned goods and other (boxed) goods. There are certain foods (flour, olive oil, etc) that simply have a shelf life that doesn’t facilitate massive storage for long-term, so I would stock up on these things at this time.

  60. Melissa
    January 3, 2013 at 10:12 am

    I am a Mom of 4, I live in a small rural town in a mobile home park which I hate, but hey the economy made it difficult for us to live elsewhere.
    Fire is one of my number 1 concerns. Learn how to put them out properly without an extinguisher because those will run out quick and without power a lot more accidental home fires will happen. If one of my kids knocks a candle over I want to be able to put out that fire ASAP. Knowing how to start one is good to. I have just started getting stuff together but I have always kept at least 1 months worth of food in our regular pantry. Several times we have had money issues any this has been a Godsend to us.
    Separation from your family is a huge issue as well. I have a folder with all of our important info, current family picture and individual pictures. My hubby works out of state so he keeps a real photo of each of us in his wallet just in case he needs to search for us he has a current picture. Make sure they are real pictures not pretty posed ones because honestly people look different dirty and distraught then they do smiling in their Sunday best. My kids all know hubby and I’s info off by heart and I always tell them that if they are lost to look for another Mommy because there is less chance of them being a creep and Moms have a soft spot for lost scared kids who need help. I can’t trust my younger 3 with a weapon or a knife but my oldest is a decent shot and has her own knife. All my kids know the danger of guns and knives so that the curiosity is gone and they have basic gun safety even if i dont trust them to use one.This year we are teaching the kids all to fish and I am very thankful I learned with a cane pole as a kid because they are easy to make.
    As far as garbage goes consider the amount of trash that your supplies create. Disposable diapers and feminine products are a nice convince but pile up quickly and are a huge risk for contamination. Look into cloth for both and how to clean them properly. The 300 cans of food are awesome but that’s a ton of trash that adds up fast and won’t burn. Glass can be reused and don’t forget extra canning lids because you’ll need them later and they will be hard to find. Try to cut down on the trash in your stockpile and consider how things will be disposed of after you use them.
    Newspaper is a good insulator and fire starter, something to read and lots of other uses. I would suggest adding it to your stick pile. Roll it tight and make logs for your rocket stove.
    Plastic coffee cans are food grade plastic and though they don’t resell we’ll they are good for canisters to hold the rice etc that you are currently using rather than getting into the giant bucket daily. You can haul water with them if necessary, and some plastic wrap over the top to help seal better makes them water proof and you could bury an emergency kit, ammo, etc in them with less risk of rust and deterioration than metal ones.
    Sleep deprivation is a serious issue that affects physical health and mental stability. I keep chewable melatonin in my first aide kit. Is safe for kids in small doses and who wants a cranky, wired, child who is scared and may not have the restraint to keep quiet or where they belong at night. Especially toddlers who you can’t reason with. I also keep a comfortable sling to carry my toddler in should I need it. It has many different ways to hold a baby from newborn to 35 pounds because the just under 2 yo will need to be transported and a stroller isn’t always feasible.
    I dislike half my neighbors but I know that if he SHTF they will be doing just what I am, protecting and providing for their own. I keep my mouth gut in get real about what we have but at the same time I do keep some extra things to help out others if They need it.
    Teach your boys how to sew too! Not just that but in general that is something everyone should know not just the girls. In tr same respect teach your girls to hunt. There are not gender stereotypes in our home I want my entire family to know how to take care of themselves.
    It may be a pipe dream but its my hope that if SHTF those that make it will be the foundation for a better world in the end.
    Sorry for the garbled post and typos but its hard on my phone to post. Btw I am fairly new to prepping in general so this article is a good resource for me! Thanks for all the useful info and food for thought!

  61. gritsonamission
    January 29, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    We are just getting started w/ preps. We’ve started slowly collecting food and water, and the hubby is working on (actually, it’s over half finished) a way to generate electricity w/o fuel. That should keep the ‘fridge and stove working for food prep and preservation, and give us a small amt. of light at night. Not that I think we should use lights if it’s dark. That would be like waiving a flag, begging for looters to pay us a visit.

    We have not started a garden, nor do we have a well. We also haven’t gotten around to purchasing fire arms and ammo. With two young kids in the house, I am not very comfortable w/ having a stockade of guns around. Guns do next to no good if they are locked up in the Attic, the key is hidden in the bedroom, and the bullets are in the kitchen. However, they may not be a bad idea, for the purposes of hunting food, and killing pests that may try and get into our home (I mean furry ones, not two legged ones).

    We’d LOVE to have a garden, but there’s a few feet of clay all around our home (we are renting w/ no time limit, so we’ll most likely be here for quite a while), where it looks like the land in the back yard washed away. I’m afraid that putting in a fence will be useless, if it is just going to get washed away…

    Basically, my question is, would a worm bin be all we should need, to get us started with a very small patch of garden? As time goes on, we can expand it. The way I see it, something (even if it’s reeeeally small) is better than nothing at all.

    • Enter your name...
      April 2, 2013 at 7:41 am

      Hi I would do container gardening. Buy a couple plastic barrels, cut them in half and get some black dirt(check farmers) the stuff you buy in bags at the stores just do not have enough stuff in it to continue for plants to grow it seems. Put a couple smaller holes in the barrels about a couple inches up from bottom for over flow water. You can paint them white if you live in a hot climate too to help and make them look a little nicer too. You can plant tomatoes, cucumbers, lettuces, onions, peppers, squash, anything you can think of. also could make a little wooden garden and use dirt too in that. We have a lot of clay here too so I container garden and finally got a regular garden growing a couple years ago, We have horses so have all the free black dirt we can use.

  62. frugal fredie
    February 18, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    One easy way to handle garbage is to incinerate it. I doubt the AQMD will be making the rounds after the SHTF.

  63. Gee
    April 11, 2013 at 4:57 am

    Hi. First time on the site and thank you for all the great tips and ideas! The one thing I didn’t see mentioned that I think is a great idea is aquaponics. Growing vegetables on top and fish on the bottom so that the plants filter the water and the fish fertilize the plants. I’m just starting to look into it but small set ups can even be done inside the house. I live in an apt so it’s been a bit difficult to figure out what to do, so that looked promising. I appreciate all the insight and comments, thank you.

    • Really Old Guy
      July 9, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      The “problem” with aquaponics (if there IS a problem) is your climate. If it freezes outside, your system had better be located inside…then you have the problem of enough sunshine/light to grow your plants. OR, you could use a greenhouse for year-round growth. In my climate, I could garden aquaponically for approximately 9 months out of the year which is plenty of time to get tilapia (a freshwater, tropical fish) to “eating” size.

      I did a bit of research and found aquaponics to be too time-consuming / expensive / impractical for most survivalists/preppers.

  64. Godly Prepper
    September 2, 2013 at 8:22 am

    The S will HTF. And what I haven’t seen mentioned is faith in God. Each one should find their spriritual center and their connection to God and have that ready for themselves and others. Prayer may be all you have many times after that “time”.

    I too am prepping food, water, health, protection and shelter. But I am also prepping spiritual matter and my inner connection to God. Most religions teach essentially the same message with a little modification based on the inhabitants at the time. So find the common message and have that available to you post shtf.

  65. Sam
    September 29, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Can anyone with knowledge speculate what would happen longterm to the plumbing in a home if you DO have the back flow preventer/turn off, etc? Will there be gas build up in the pipes? Assuming you don’t use the toilets, what else would you have to worry about in your home? I’m wondering if having the back flow preventer/turn off, etc makes your home livable long term?
    We are currently creating home plans for building (on the grid) in a rural area and I’d like to have as many contingencies covered for TEOTWASWKI. As fairly new to prepping, I am not finding anything on new building plans that are safely convertible – only off grid building.

  66. Yankee Doodle
    November 14, 2013 at 9:36 am

    I’m just going to come and take whatever you all set up for me. Thanks :).

    • ReallyOldGuy
      July 9, 2015 at 6:23 pm

      Don’t be stupid…you’ll wind up dead (quickly).

  67. dputra
    December 1, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Preping is about know how. I lived in Indonesia where many things go uncertain. In terms of economic, politic, or others. Climate is dynamic, earthquakes and volcanos are literally can happen at any moment. Therefore, preping is about knowing how to survive with anything in your pocket or within reach. It is nice of course to stockpile food, but with limited budget I can only stock for a month in advance. Meaning I buy groceries to day so I can use it next month and so forth. Beyond that is not even an option. I always keep flashlight, whistle, pocket folder, 1st aid kit, and personal medicine in my edc waistbag, and I really mean edc. Also copy of my id and a cellphone

  68. Sakeeta
    December 4, 2013 at 2:38 am

    A true prepper would have already prepared for all of these things, plus some more. We have.

  69. Evone
    March 11, 2014 at 8:47 am

    I would like to add one more to his list… If the lights go out all the nuclear plants will not be able to keep cool and it will lead to melt down. Not sure how to prepare for that scenario… maybe that is why he left it off the list.

  70. Nursejan
    March 19, 2014 at 12:59 am

    Actually glass jugs are what you should keep your water in. The large bluish bottles,3-5 gallon the kind for water coolers are ok too. Plastic water bottles, soda bottles, and milk jugs ALL leech toxic chemicals into your water. And whatever you don’t leave those in the sun! Good luck preppers. Books are a great idea, one of the things I didn’t think about. Peace

  71. Crown
    March 21, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Wondering if anybody has any ideas for me.
    I live on a very popular touristy island.
    Closed off in winter and open in summer.
    I dont own a car. We ride bikes. However i live on a shipping lane…
    I dont think there would be a “bug out” option. Also have small children. I have the basics down, food guns ammo propane and a way too cook.
    Gardening tools seeds and dirt. The fact that i live on fresh water and a shipping lane poses its own problems, just looking for some input or ideas thanks

  72. brannon
    August 19, 2014 at 9:46 am

    When the SHTF for real, and everything comes crashing down for real, and the world is dark and bleek, and we all are scrounging around for food, water, fighting the elements, killing, not to be killed, or for food and water, etc. I think I will pass on that. By that time, its to late. I would rather not be on this earth anymore. All the bug out, prepping, gun slinging stuff sounds great, and adventourous, living off the land, etc(I do own guns, and I am pro 2nd Amendment, just to let you know) but I would rather be gone, and not have to deal, because do you really want to live(try to live) like that. I know I dont….Just saying….

  73. brannon
    August 19, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Hollywood, books, etc, have somewhat glamorized the bug out, end of the world, type stuff in movies and tv shows. When everything really does collapse, and all the food, water and things that make life comfortable are hard to come by, or for the most part gone, and you have to kill or be killed, then where is the glamour in that? Its not going to be a Hollywood show or movie people. Not many people will survive. Everyone will eradicate everyone else. Its not going to be like the walking dead, as adventurous and cool looking as that show may seem. It will not be a fantasy. The ones who think they are Bad or the Rambo, type will get eradicated first. There will be no winners…..So, iit will not be what you think it will be, nor what I think it will be, but I know its not going to be a Hollywood movie or show….

    • ReallyOldGuy
      July 9, 2015 at 6:28 pm

      Some people are “survivors” while others give up before the fight gets started. Sorry for you. Life is too precious to simply “give it up.”

  74. Brian
    October 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    Like the fire-department coming to my home to grab my fire-extinguishers, the powers-that-be will NOT get my firearms. I need to protect myself, and my lovely housemates, in evil times.

  75. Jenjen
    October 14, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    Prep your mind, heart and soul first. We should all try to be more self sufficient. I have a large self watering veggie garden, backyard chickens and rabbits, a supply of food and water. I dehydrate and can food, and as a nurse I have a lot of first aid supplies and practice. I can hunt and fish, even snare small animals, clean and cook them and tan their hides. This is my hobby, I love the outdoors and have done it all my life. You can not expect people who do not want to prep or learn the way to survive where they are, to just lay down and die. They will take what they need because of the tears in their hungry babies’ eyes. So while you are prepping, do what you love as well. You only get one life, you should enjoy it, live it, love it, and smile when you leave it, your heart full, even if not your stomach.

    • ReallyOldGuy
      July 9, 2015 at 6:31 pm

      You’ve got the right attitude. God bless you!

  76. Ellen
    October 16, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    you seem to have no clue about police or other first responders. That “knowledge” about them being the first to leave — really….you must have been reading too much about Russia or elsewhere. I am sworn to give my life for another,as a cop, FF and medic most of us will be running into the shit while others run out. Go pound sand with your cop-block attitude. And read up about civilians blowing away their own neighbors because they heard a bump-in-the night – good luck depending on some of your peers fro protection of self and others. Unless they are trained and have the game face, I wouldn’t trust any of the newborn-concealed (or not)carriers – just ask a gunshop owner what he thinks about these masses of people buying forearms, many of them carry but never shot the damn thing…you want a dangerous situation? Have someone like that around, who has no clue about marksmanship under stress, oh never mind, how would they know if they never shot the damn thing….get real dude, this everlasting “defend yourself because the PoPo won’t” needs a face-lift…

    • paul
      April 8, 2016 at 9:33 am

      You are just another example of the Us vs Them mentality in LE. Just because you have some training does not put you above any other citizen going his legal way. The idea that a chief of police can demand citizens to give up guns, apples, or service is repulsive to any American. What happened in NO was a travasty. NOPD has been know to be corrupt(probably the most corrupt big city pd in the US.
      Many of those police went first for the drig dealers and stold there money and drugs(the ones who thought they paid protection), they then went and took guns, many to keep and then left with family and friends. Read the facts. I commend you for fighting the good fight, but LE must open thier eyes to this type of corruption and fight it from the inside. You might be a “snitch”, but you are not in jail, you are in public duty and that duty is not to you buddies, but to the public. Like it or not, that is what you signed on to do.

      Now, that is too much for me to do, I know that I would be a real “prick” of a LEO, so I chose not to even think about being one.

      Remain true to yourself and the public, it could well be the hardest thing you ever do.

  77. Theo
    October 25, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Up here in Canada when we had a flood disaster in my AO June 2013. A town was completely flooded out and everyone evacuated.

    The RCMP, our national police force, broke into empty, flooded (and not flooded) houses and confiscated firearms with no owners present. Some were charged with “unsafe storage” as we have some very strict “safe” storage laws here in Canada.

    • Jerrold Uliano
      November 28, 2014 at 3:15 am

      That is not very empathetic. People loose their houses and get panalties in addition…

  78. Haroo
    January 7, 2015 at 8:04 am

    Physical fitness will play a Very important role in determining a person’s chances of surviving the first year of a SHTF scenario..The USA has become the most obese country in the world..It doesn’t matter how well you’ve prepared.How much food you have stockpiled.How many guns you have etc..If you can’t move around fast enough,without sucking wind,and having to take a rest every few seconds,you probably will not only struggle,but also suffer..Your chances of surviving will dramatically increase just by getting in shape..Learn as much as possible about the wilderness,and everything that’s in them.Alot of things,you’ll just have to learn on the fly…You’ll make mistakes,but that’s how you learn…Prepare for the worst,and hope and pray for the best.Survival experts/instructor’s will tell you,the More you know,the Less you Need..So get off the couch,get away from the dinner table,tv,and computer,and get in shape.Store the appropriate supplies you will need,and have a plan..And whatever happens happens..You can only control so much..Do not worry about things you can’t control..A positive mind is Crucial in a survival/shtf scenario..

  79. nik
    February 15, 2015 at 7:46 am

    The biggest thing that one needs for any scenario is knowledge. without this all is useless!

  80. EleyArms
    March 3, 2015 at 4:27 am

    Has anyone written about what should we do with the bodies of those we have to shoot when TSHTF? Notify the sheriff? Bury them after identifying them? Does not seem a good idea to just let them lie around. Everyone talks about how to defend what you have, but if it requires us killing an aggressor or 10, what then? Has another thought about how to account for our actions after order is restored?

  81. Lucy Kelly
    April 30, 2015 at 6:16 am

    Dead bodies are problems because the bowels inflate and explode. All you have to do to deal with them is to stab the bowels. Then, the gasses will not built up, and you wont have to worry about faecal explosions.

    As for flies n animals eating the corpses, I think the sooner they do so, the sooner the health problems they pose will disappear. You will also still have wildlife around, which I think would be a good thing.

    Or feed them to your chicken or pigs, or your dogs or cats.

    You could even eat them yourselves. Your supplies would last longer, then.

  82. Lucy Kelly
    April 30, 2015 at 6:42 am

    If America went bang, most of the world WOULD ENTER IT, because it is RICH! Anyone ‘hunckering down’ would return to find 10 X as many people as before OCCUPYING IT, FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD!

    And the rich would WANT THEM, for cheap labour! YOU would be the enemy! Never mind the lies by ‘the’ ‘authorities’! They would KILL YOU, not just take your weapons!

    If America went bang, you’d ALL NEED to be out with your local militias, defending it from ‘your’ army, and the influx of invaders from across the world, who’d be trying to enter it!

    To this end, your best bet wd be to team up n organise, n to PROVIDE FOR EACH OTHER! NOT to separate n hide!

  83. g
    May 10, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    I think one of the big SHTF misconceptions is that the event is going to be big wide and total.in reality that is probably the least likely. If you lived in New Orleans Katrina was DEFINITELY SHTF however 500 miles away in the right direction things were fine. So there more then likely will be a superior force of law enforcement and government just like in Katrina.They certainly may restrict your freedoms, legally or not in some way. And you WILL NOT be fighting back, you will be complying. Working around that situation is just another valuable skill.

    • ben
      June 23, 2015 at 9:20 pm

      You might want to research martial law. I won’t be complying. In New Orleans FEMA came and shut down the make shift hospital community had formed

  84. John Cullen
    June 28, 2015 at 6:16 am

    I’ve just joined this group….

    I am a 26 year veteran of law enforcement and worked in the S. Florida area.

    I also was on duty the night Hurricane Andrew arrived in S. Florida.

    My city was without power for 14 days as a result and the City of Homestead Florida was basically wiped of the map as a result.

    Many areas of the greater Miami area suffered severe damage to the point that the local governmental services where severely impacted and overwhelmed.

    Unfortunately the Federal government was unable to respond quickly at that time and it was only after various local governmental agencies pleaded for additional resources and assistance that the Feds came in to provide much needed assistance.

    So I am fully aware of what a “natural disaster” can do on a local level.

    My concern is “What happens” if something occurs on a much larger regional or national scale such as a attack on the electrical grid, dirty bombs on key US locations, or something else which no one has really given thought too.

    Is one prepared????

    I’ve found that 50% of the population is “clueless”…25% maybe are aware, but tend to be “I’ll get around to it at some point in time” group”….

    Another 10%-15% have some preparation, but only short term…say a week or two…but not long term.

    Then there are the “long tern group” who have properly assessed and prepared for the “long term” events and are well situation to ride out whatever SHTF scenario that may come down the pike, today, tomorrow, next week, next month or next year.

    These are the people who are best position to be the last ones standing…

    There are numerous “what ifs” that go with being prepared for a SHTF situation and not all or one size fits all plans, ideas or needs, rather they need to be “tailored” to the individual to best serve each one’s needs.

    What I’m preparing for may work well for me but not for you and visa versa….

    But the key in my view is to at least “prepare”….

    As the old adage goes, “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure” and that holds true in the event the SHTF situation.

    I’ve been looking at, following, analyzing events for well over the past few years, and I see “very dark clouds on the horizon” and presently I see the “perfect storm” about to come…with domestic events considered, not to mention international events my wife and I are doing all we can to position ourselves to be in that 5% of the population who will be able to survive.

    Thus this is why we’ve joined this group….

    I’ll be happy to share my KSB’s and experience with anyone who is interested….


    John “Steve” Cullen

  85. Xaler
    June 28, 2015 at 11:00 am

    Stocking and storing food, water and supplies is important BUT everyone needs to remember to plan for having ZERO access to any of it. How close is your “stash” right now as you read this? Instead of trying to lump all of your necessities into a few bags and hoping for best, consider “acquiring” what you need as you go. Even if you have all of your goodies when SHTF, a finite supply of rations and ammo can only go so far before acquisition-on-the-go becomes the norm especially when considering the bullseye placed on you when carrying around supplies…

    Myself, I like to carry two “tools” on my person, (no not guns, I can acquire those if needed), that will give me an advantage when needing to acquire instead of lumping around 150+ pounds of supplies. If I’m near my stash, great. If not, at least I am prepared to acquire what’s needed as opportunities present.

    Someone mentioned learning several martial arts styles for preparedness… goo idea but even better, find someone who can train you in escape, evasion and threat takedowns. Not MMA takedowns, rather killing them softly and most importantly quietly..


  86. Xaler
    June 29, 2015 at 1:59 pm

    After watching some recent news, I’d like to add a few points. There seems to be a lot of people that think the government is going to pull guns and throw everyone in some kind of fema camp. Look at it this way. If there was a sound reason to do so, an opportunity to do so and the required manpower, it would have already happened in another country that doesn’t have any real care for its people. When I ask someone why they feel the government would do the above, they always come up short of a sound reason (first requirement) for such an activity.

    The point is we are all much more likely to be knocked off the face of the planet by a space rock. This is the worst case scenario… no power, no food, no nothing. This is when being able to avoid potential threats like other people looking to steal whatever they can get becomes highly important.

    There are so many variables, so many potential threats, the mind can’t conceive all possibilities and shouldn’t. Some individuals have their hat on straight, like many that read practical survival advice from pages like these. But it’s the 2% that are bonko nuts that can become a serious threat. Think of how many people are on prescription medications for psychological disorders… think of how unstable these people will unfortunately become if they are forced to suddenly stop taking antipsychotics, benzodiazepines, antidepressants, etc. These meds have serious withdrawal side effects. Not good.

    One thing is certain and I know it’s hard for some to swallow but focused cooperation will be key to surviving in the event of a major catastrophe. Working with others that haven’t “lost it” along with local, state and federal agencies is critical to short and long term survival. Just ask any tribe or other group of people that’s “productively” lived anywhere in the world for more than 5 years. It takes teamwork. It takes trust. It’s not about digging a hole and crawling in it. It’s not about who can shoot who. The sound-minded will be the majority and this majority will need to exercise extreme caution when dealing with anyone that’s not grounded and rational.

  87. Really Old Guy
    July 9, 2015 at 4:42 pm


    I read some comments about the “dead bodies” that will pile up, and “shooting looters,” etc.

    From a practical perspective, it will be VERY difficult for anyone (including military) to deal with dead bodies…the risks are great for disease and pestilence if you’re not in a full-body suit with goggles and air filtration.

    As for “shooting” other human beings, well, it MAY become necessary, but for a fact, it is a “life-changing” event that may come with psychological problems further down the line. PTSD is the BIG one, and it doesn’t go away. Counseling IS required afterward (cops go through this and are put on ‘administrative leave’ for each shooting incident).

    Ever wonder why 21 service-members kill themselves each and every day? Yep. Traumatic life events can be extremely dangerous for your body and soul (not to mention your mental health).

  88. Dale
    September 5, 2015 at 9:38 am

    I was just talking with my wife yesterday about this stuff. I don’t know if these threats are real or fictitious but I told her that I believed most local law enforcement and guardsmen would stand with civilians. I also believe most military would not obey orders that violated civil liberties. Should government issue orders to round up people for camps or try to confiscate things like guns etc I think the order givers will be shocked at the number of servicemen who will not obey but stand with the people. This is how I see it, God help us if I’m wrong.

  89. Dale
    September 5, 2015 at 11:24 am

    Another thought:
    This all depends on the level of seriousness of any event. Short, a few months or long term and wide spread, years or decades.
    Seems to me those bunkered down will be the first targets of those who need or want what they have, (this goes for the elites in their underground bunkers as well, if that’s true and assuming anyone is left alive on the surface) If you are bunkered down you will be seen as having something worth defending and you will surely lose it very quickly. The most valuable thing to have is common sense. Ability to scavenge for your needs as you need it and most likely no one will even notice you if you have nothing they want or need.

    1. water, a means of purifying and filtering (fire)
    2. food, knowledge of naturally wild growing plants and animals, insects etc that are edible, taste won’t matter
    3. medical, same as food natural things
    4. shelter, where ever you find it

    Its not what people want to hear but who has really thought this through. In a worst case, Life as we know it will be over and its not coming back; EVER! If you are one who survives the initial mass extinction and really want to live you will find a spot in the new society. Those who resist will eventually die off and their off spring will settle in to the new way of life just as everyone alive today and through out history has done. He who has the greatest wealth and fire power to back him makes the rules. It has always been that way. The thought of moral self governance is a great thought but can it ever be reality? Take the time to really think all of this through.

  90. Bunny
    October 4, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    We have a huge stock of pasta, rice, juices, water and other drinks, lots of canned and bottled goods, and enough shelf stable protein to last for months. We also have bullet proof windows and steel doors for protection, as well as at least 3 months of meds at all times. We don’t have guns, nor will we, but we have all kinds of other weapons and know how to use them. I’ve never thought of prepping before, this is just how I was raised. Does it sound like I have a good start? The world is breaking down and I don’t want to have to be afraid if things reach my doorstep, so I did a search and this looks like the best place for answers. Thank you!

    • t
      October 15, 2015 at 6:49 am

      Bunny you have been trained to use a knife in a gun battle? Unless you are going up against a complete moron you are dead in the first 5 seconds. Bullet proof glass is wonderful but doesn’t protect your walls, ceilings and floors. I think the biggest problem with people who consider themselves safe, is just that you think you’re safe. In a real shtf situation you are never safe, you your loved ones your food your water can all be gone in seconds the moment you start to become complacent. The real challenge for most people is going to be living in a state of fear. Maybe that’s what all you preppers should start thinking about.

      • macssurvivalkits
        October 21, 2015 at 1:41 pm

        Bunny, I agree with T. All of your defensive preps sound great, but no home is immune to things like fire, or a truck driven by a determined individual. You may want to rethink your defense strategy concerning firearms. Just my two cents. Take care and be prepared!

  91. Sparkie
    November 21, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    Don’t under estimate a knife in a gunfight.
    I do Krav Maga and my instructor has shown me videos of knife wielding attackers attacking police. One vid showed a guy going up against 5 Mexican cops with guns drawn. He killed two of them stabbed two others WHILE they were shooting at him until he was eventually killed probably by the fifth cop. They were about 20 feet away from him at the start before he attacked.
    Too many preppers think that if you have a gun you’re safe. Wrong. Avoidance is the best bet.

  92. Nunya
    December 11, 2015 at 7:48 am

    To all the new preppers…..you must PRACTICE this before the SHTF! Start with a “power outage” once a week, for 24 hours. This will help you determine what you need short term that you do not have. Gradually increase this outage period. Ensure you set 24 hour watches if you have a family, this will help you mentally prepare. Nothing like DRILLS to prepare the mind and body. If you really want to go all out, get your friends to play the “bad guys” with the goal of infiltrating your house, bunker, etc. on a weekend for 72 hours. Stay alert, stay alive. Good luck on your preps and pray you never need them.

  93. Dee
    January 28, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    I have read every one of these posts and I feel a little depressed, but defiant. I am NOT going to just give up. Too old and ornery. My husband and I have been thinking about this SHTF stuff and have taken a few steps to prepare. I know that we probably won’t make it too long, both of us are a little long in the tooth with chronic health problems and take prescription meds which won’t be available. We hope to last long enough to give our grown kids a chance at survival. That is our priority.

  94. Cody Grace
    March 14, 2016 at 8:19 am

    March 14, 2016
    Dear Preppers: There are indeed dire circumstances coming. There is much preparation needed. Do you know what’s coming? Jesus Christ has given His followers specific details as to what is coming. Keep your eye on the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. That is the turn key event for everything to come down. What is the remainder of what is coming down – HE told us specifically. Why: Because HE wants people to know that HE IS STILL IN CONTROL NO MATTER what these governments, Nibiru, etc. LOOK like they are going to do. Here are just a few of the things HE has prepared his followers for: The Dome of the Rock is going to be destroyed first as the turn key event. Then Miami is going to be bombed (nuclear) shortly after that. New York is also going to be bombed and go under water. There will be several other places bombed but he did not get more specific than those two for now. Then, the Rapture (Removal) of All of Jesus Believers/Followers are going to be removed from this earth. The people that remain will be going through horrors such as has not been seen on this earth prior to this time. Those remaining will be told that “Aliens” – “Greys” have taken those people for “whatever reason”. Know for a fact, that the “aliens” – “greys” are demons masquerading as “harmless” galaxy interlopers looking for a “people to help”. Remember that you read this here because they will be sent to destroy this planet; however, they are on a leash so to speak – they can only go as far as Father God allows them to go. He has also told us that Russia is going to attack us from the Northern Border of the US. We will see planes flying overhead and troops parachuting out. There are also Russian troops here on our soils that are ready to move when given the order. Also, HE is going to intervene and not let an EMP knock out all communications in the US nationwide. HE Is going to use the communication systems to keep His Remnant in touch with one another. Those people remaining who see that GOD has predicted and carried out His specific promises and come to believe and follow HIM, will be protected supernaturally by God. He will provide food, water, shelter, and even invisibility to those who truly believe and follow Him. If you follow and believe in Him, you will be provided for and protected. If you try to live by your own wits, you will not.
    Nibiru will be here at the end of 7 years after Jesus’ followers have been removed. The earth’s crust will be rotated by God and all of those “elite” individuals in the D.U.M.B’s will be sealed in their subterranean tombs. These underground bunkers will be filled with magma and water due to the earth’s crust shifting. The North Pole may be somewhere down around Arizona/New Mexico area. Also, HE has changed the Yellowstone volcano eruption to be Much Less than everyone has anticipated. It will blow but not with the magnitude expected. Magma will bubble up from underground and flow out like rivers just like the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii has been doing for decades. Towards the end of that seven year period this nation, USA, will be divided in half – pretty much all the way along the Mississippi River – it will take more than a Ferry to cross it. Martial law will be enacted after these bombings and you will be required to take a “mark” to ensure “security, safety” and to buy and sell anything – receive medical treatment, etc. DO NOT TAKE THAT MARK!!!! That mark will include an electronic interface that can actually alter the thinking/decision making in the brain. You can be incited to kill by someone or to riot just by someone sending a code to your specific mark number.

    Once you take the mark, you will be forever separated from GOD and will end up in HELL for refusing to believe that He is the one that can save your soul. Please, I beg you, don’t take that Mark!!!!!

    The purpose of sharing these specific items with you is so you can ask Jesus NOW to take control of YOUR life and the lives of YOUR LOVED ONES. That is the only way to escape what is coming. If you or your loved ones don’t believe, understand, or scoff at this message now, know that this is coming to pass and you will know that what has been told to you is truly from GOD. Even in the midst of the turmoil, you can turn to GOD if YOU DON”T TAKE THE MARK!

    I know a lot of people won’t agree with this post and that is fine. I KNOW without a doubt what my Savior told me. We have been given much more specific details and know what to do when things hit.
    We know we have supernatural protection. Most churches or “christians” you may have met in your life may not have understood or even lived the way Jesus wanted them to – hypocritically. That is something all of them are going to be responsible for when they stand before the Lord.

    You CAN have peace, safety, security beyond belief and joy even in the midst of what is coming. If anyone wants to know how to come to Jesus, it’s very simple. If this is something you TRULY and GENUINELY want to change from the very core of your heart, just say the following: “Jesus, I believe that you died on the Cross to pay for my sin as well as the sins of everyone else in this world. I believe you went to Hell and rose again from the dead and live in Heaven. You are willing to forgive me for EVERYTHING I’ve EVER DONE just by asking you to. So, Jesus, I’m asking you to forgive me of my sins and cleanse me from all evil. I choose right now by my free will to live for and follow You. Thank you for your mercy and grace. Teach me now how to live and follow You. Amen.”

    The above prayer is NOT an “insurance policy” against what’s coming or HELL. You MUST mean this with your whole heart and desire above all else to follow Jesus. THEN, you will experience His Highest, Most Faithful provision for you! To begin following, living for and learning WHO JESUS is; start by reading the book of JOHN in the Bible. God’s Holy Spirit wrote the Bible through human beings and was sent here to the Earth to help believers when they face trials or temptations in their lives. HE Speaks to them and directs them daily – moment by moment if need be! Just like He wants to reach all of those you Love THROUGH YOU!

    I’ll answer questions you may have about how to follow and live for the Lord in these last days. Thank you for reading this post. Cody.

  95. Wolf
    June 8, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    I find it funny that some believe that all they have to do is run to the store and pick up what they want people watch what you do and they have a bad habit of remembering at the worst time that you have what they want. I have noticed thay they have No imagination at all . if they were to need energy at a time of trouble they could get 6 to 12 auto batteries or one forklift battery a solar panel and a pwer converter to have some energy for various things like boiling water to cooking. Some look at projects as impposible I see them as possible . Hydroponic gardens work well . There is so much info on the net you can pick and choose what you want to print and learn. Then put it to use ! Go camping or in your own back yard .
    You can even do most in your own house. fire from ice or fromwater and a blade of grass and yes it can be done . Thinking normal can get you messed up learn from the older folks pioneers and my favorite the Indians . some books you buy are useful info some useful to level a table or chair.compost piles are helpful anad could provide a small amount of methain gas it will also great heat if not turned . modern fuels no matter how much you store will run out. Learn all you can and see what happens teach your kids they love to learn.Make it a game I did and I can’t come up with enough new things to try. I have been in the army , prison and verious other learning situations . Gas and styrofoam together will burn a about 1500 degrees if you know what your doing. Water boils at around 800 degrees. Add ing herbs with inprove your health in ways you won’t believe. generators and bikes to charge your battery banks and keep in shape stationary bikes are good for more than dust collectors and catch alls .learn to make ice learn something .

    September 17, 2016 at 12:21 am

    Canadian RCMP are a European Union puppet army.

    They’ve been instructed to confiscate ALL firearms from ALL people they see if/when the SHTF scenario is implemented – with LETHAL FORCE, if necessary.

    Do not trust the RCMP. They are part and parcel of the Globalist agenda.

    Scumbag criminal psychopaths – working for a scumbag capitalist corporation.

    A quarter million strong ‘police force’.
    What other police force in the WORLD has a 250,000 ’employees’ – and growing and recruiting more and more, every day. Why?

    You know why.

    Stay clear of these psychopaths – for they are unaccountable and omnipotent – because they are paramilitary mercenaries that have sold their souls to the EU mandate.

    Good luck.

  97. Jack
    February 13, 2017 at 10:56 pm

    Urban survival is an interesting concept and will not entail most of the prepper ritualistic behaviours.
    Firstly, Kitting out for a few days will only buy you reprieve, but keep in mind that when SHTF, it will be for a prolonged period of time,… weeks… months….years even. How does your planning accommodate this possibility?
    Think Bosnia and what happened there…chaotic catastrophy from the word go. Things start out real bad in the beginning with people, organisations, police, army, bandits,etc. race out to grab what they can and killing anyone who gets in the way. Police and military will try to enforce control and as it gets more and more uncontrollable, they add a definite highly dangerous element to the chaos, namely highly trained and heavily armed thugs who will aim to establish their own militia and control centres.
    Our problem in today’s world is that the world is so over-populated that there are not many unpopulated areas left to escape to and disappear off the map, which is the very basic need for survival in those circumstances. To expect not to be terrorised, you need to dissapear. Nobody should know you exist…fullstop. That in itself, determines what kind of survival items you are going to need to stay undetected. Forget about gasoline and generators right off the bat… it will attract bandits like a brownie attracts flies.
    There are many more aspects but are for another time.

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