10 Disturbing SHTF Threats that most Preppers Haven’t Prepared For

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When planning for a SHTF scenario, there’s really only one thing that we can be sure of; Survival will be a bigger challenge than you ever believed possible. While you can definitely take measures to prepare yourself for what’s to come, when you’re talking about a SHTF scenario, all bets are really off.

Here are 10 things that you may have never considered when planning for a SHTF survival situation.

Law Enforcement Issues

1. No Law Enforcement

military troopsDuring an extreme SHTF scenario, it is very likely that law enforcement and emergency responders will be nonexistent. Even during small-scale disasters, law enforcement officers often leave to take care of their own families first. When things go bad (empty grocery stores, no utilities, mass riots, violence, etc.) you are more than likely going to have to defend yourself.

2. Fake Law Enforcement

In a SHTF Scenario you need to be on the lookout for everything including people impersonating law enforcement and military personnel. During a catastrophic event, you will most likely see criminals preying on the innocent by pretending to be either police or military officers. You have to be able to quickly determine who is who, or stay away from people at all costs.

3. Law Enforcement and the Military Will Try to Take Your Guns.

Think it can’t happen? It already has! In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass ordered all local law enforcement, including the U.S. Marshalls office and the National Guard, to seize all civilian firearms.

Without warrants, armed National Guard troops and New Orleans law enforcement officials forcibly confiscated over 1,000 legal firearms from law-abiding citizens. The New Orleans gun confiscation should serve as a warning to how the government and law enforcement officials will react during a large-scale national disaster.  It is extremely likely that they will come for your guns!

Personal Safety Issues

4. Gangs & Raiders

Prepper ImageIf things go bad, there will likely be more people who mean to do you harm than there will be people who are prepared. This is something that you must accept and learn to deal with.  The fact is, most people have no idea what it really takes to survive and once their safety net is removed they will become increasingly desperate and unpredictable.

Let’s face it, even during the good times there’s a certain segment of our population that’s just downright insane. From the idiots who go nuts and riot after their team loses a game, to the violent criminals and gangs who are already terrorizing big cities throughout America, there’s little doubt that a total collapse would make urban living almost impossible.

5. You need to be able to Defend Yourself.

During an extreme emergency situation the lunatics of the world are going to be roaming the streets looking for easy victims to target.  If you’re serious about survival, you need to train yourself in multiple self-defense styles and techniques. This means arming yourself with not only weapons, but also with the knowledge of how to defend yourself without them.

Sanitation Issues

Sanitation6. Garbage will become a Killer.

This is a topic that’s not often discussed, but it’s one that will probably become a real problem during a SHTF situation. Often, people who talk about urban survival worry about things like raiders and roaming gangs, but the real danger might actually come from something that you already have in your home  - Garbage

7. You have to Stock up on Sanitation Items

When planning to survive in any long-term survival situation, one thing that’s often overlooked is the dangers associated with a lack of adequate sanitation. I know it’s not a pleasant thing to think about, but this one issue has the potential to kill more people than any other survival topic that we can talk about.

Mental & Physical Health Issues

8. Maintaining a Positive Mental Attitude during a Survival Situation

The ability to maintain a positive mental attitude during a survival situation is something that needs to be taking seriously. It’s also something that you need to start working on now, before the SHTF.

Making it through a survival scenario often comes down to how well you can control your emotions. Keeping a positive frame of mind, even in the face of an unthinkable threat, will help you process what’s happening and will help you respond to the situation without giving into fear.

9. You must be prepared to face a number of physical and mental challenges.

From dealing with a lack of sleep and inadequate hydration, to coping with hunger pains and other stressors, survival can take a huge toll on your body. One of the best things you can do to ensure your survival, in just about any situation, is to make sure your body and your mind are trained to survive. This means motivating yourself to get off your butt and get in shape now, before it’s to late.

Communication Issues

10. You will be cut off from the outside World.

TeotwawkiIn a survival situation, knowledge is going to be a critical factor in determining the ultimate outcome of your situation. The ability to be able to predict what will happen in a survival situation is an important part of being prepared and often comes down to your ability to send and receive information.

When the power lines go down and the radio stations stop transmitting, there’s one line of communication that will still be alive and well.  Having a good Multiband Ham Radio will allow you to send and receive critical emergency information during a disaster. It’s also a great way to find alternative news sources from around the world.

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  1. Daniel says:

    Good points! I’m a water treatment plant operator and have already begun planning for a loss of that ability. I did not however even contemplate garbage or the loss of sewer! Both which would no doubt be gone in any type of catastrophe.

    • Dan says:

      Some people think about work, social governments, laws so forth…….forget ’bout it. Buy yer food, weps and meds. The law enforcement taking of guns only works if there is a base of operations that has resources, if the country crash that will not happen. You may have some local gunsmoke sheriff, mayor or so on thaT DEEMS they know best, the law of man won’t matter at that point for the first 6 months to a year, it will be everyone for themselfs. The cleaning up of bodies, and anything else that is not related to hunkering down, and waiting for the roits and mobs to wipe out most people would be foolish. I figure anyone you run into after 6 months is a bad MOFO or very stealthy to not be taken down or joining of a gang. You have to wait and protect yourself and forget ’bout it.

      • Heather says:

        Actually, Dan, the govt made weapons confiscation a priority in the immediate aftermath of hurricane Katrina. They (national guard) stormed folks homes, took their guns and had the audacity to tell the people, “you don’t need these, you have us” and I also heard, “you trying to make trouble? only criminals have guns, so you are a criminal.” Others were just shot, point blank, jerks didn’t even hesitate. Yes, Law Enforcement WILL come and try to take folks guns. Go out in your yard, dig a hole for an outhouse, and then go into your home’s crawlspace and hide at least one gun and the ammo for it. Better safe than sorry.

        • Adam says:

          I was a National Guards man at Katrina. I was also at the meeting when we put a stop to it! It was the National guard that ended the illegal gun confiscation. It was also on of the key moments in history that brought the 2012 Supreme Court decision of the “Posse Comitatus Act”. The US Government is full of checks and balances. One of which is the Nation Guard against the Federal Army. That was the moment when “Big Army remembered that they don’t control us. That is why an active duty army infantry from the 3erd IN Div. is on permanent quick reaction force in the US. And they have been used. The guard is made up of your neighbors and peers. They will probably be one of your best allies in a crises, make friends now. The Guard may be the only Government entity, including the Police, I’ve been around that doesn’t have an us against them attitude, and I’ve been around a lot. We had quite a few people coming up to us saying, thank god you’re here. They felt like they needed help and protection from the local police and fed agencies, and for the greater part they did. Katrina will be remembered in history for a lot more than being a hurricane.

          • LTC Steve Fleischman says:

            Adam is absolutly correct, the National Guard will follow the laws of the land and that means the US Constitution and The Bill of Rights. We all swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemys forigen AND domestic. There will be no confiscation of weapons from lawful citizens. Your National Guard lives in your community and are far more attached to the local community then Federal Law or Regular Army. With that said, the Reqular Army WILL NOT violate the Bill of Rights or Constitution either. The Army is the guardian of your freedoms regardless of whether its Federal, National Guard or Army Reserve.

          • Enzo says:

            Thank you for your service in that time of hell.

          • RoyG says:

            I commend you guys for keeping true to the oath of service that we all took when we signed on for service.. I also thank you for you service and time…

            I do have a question as you have lived the choice to decide to either uphold the constutition or ingor it.. im wondering how the NDAA will play into future choices..?

          • Kbourque says:

            Thanks for all you did for us during that time. I was one of the many truck drivers during that time that was bringing in fuel. I was actually told not to come back without a weapon. And I took that warning seriously.

          • larry says:

            Good for you. Am proud of those who remember the oath we took, I am veteran, I know what is coming and am proud of those who are willing to serve the people not a tyrant government.

        • joseph brown says:

          heather that will only work if folks allow it. yes many were taken after katrina but there was a choice they could have fought back. and after katrina most of the military vowed to never again follow an unlawful order to take folks guns. now you will as has been said have some who feel they know best but many have become oathkeepers as i am. this list includes many sheriffs and police along with many from the military. we have sworn to uphold our oath to defend our nation from all enemies both foreign and yes EVEN DOMESTIC WHICH WOULD INCLUDE ANY WHO TRY AND CONFISCATE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.

          • Jesusfreak says:

            well! PRAISE GOD ! I am so glad to read the comments from our National Guardsmen — I know and work with the Guard here is SC – GOOD MEN who vow to protect the rights of Americans to bear arms. shoot – even my local Sheriff, deputies and local police all tell me how glad they are that I and people like me are ARMED!
            and to comment regarding hiding guns – I’ve noticed lately that when I purchase ammo – I am required to show and ID ! I cannot believe this is happening in our once great Republic. We have all been asleep…

          • Zach says:

            I was there also with the WA National Guard. We stayed at the convention center then later stayed at the Methodist Hospital. We never did any gun confiscation at least not the 81st BCT I have no idea what units were taking firearms.

          • Zerod says:

            I too am a Christian & have “the Faith”, however, the Lord will be VERY busy during a SHTF situation wherein we must remember; “The Lord helps those that help themselves” & “Faith is worthless without works.”
            In this “situation” your DUTY as Americans is to study & understand the Amendments as per the US Constitution & remember, from experiance, our Police &/or Government DON’T!!
            WE are the Government. Our Elected “Representatives” will be gone like the rats on a sinking ship.

        • i forgot my name says:

          most likly they will check the crawl space, after all it is a common hideaway spot,I would recommend hiding them in a wall or underground or in an air duct(just be sure to put the gun in a bag so it wont rust,also you do not want gun cleaning supplies or anything else related to guns lying around because then they will know that you have a gun.)GOD bless America!

          • CE Ramsey says:

            Best yet, either hide them in the honey-hole, if you had a septic tank or reasonable facsimile?

    • boiled feces says:

      I work at a sewer plant and we’re prepared only as much as most sewage in our town flows downhill…we have a few pump stations out in the system and generators for each but how long will that work?

      • tim h says:

        One of the sanitation horrors is that low lying homes might have their toilets flood backwards as pumping stations cease operation. There’s a valve you can get if you live in a place that’s below the magic mark, it seals your sewer line to prevent the backwards flow. But yeah, you could wake up to find your on-the-grid home uninhabitable.

        I’m sure some folks here know more about it.

        • A former plumber says:

          It is referred to as a “back-flo preventer” and it’s usually a simple one day install. If they install it inside they go through the floor, dig down to the discharge pipe, cut into it, attach the check valve, and cover it up, with a small access pipe sticking up with a cover.

          • LOU says:

            AFP is taalking about a permanent installation. My idea is for a quick fix during a crisis, but it still requires pre-planning. The backflow shouldn’t be under a lot of pressure, but the inflatable plug can be reinforced by wood block bracing after installation to precvent backflow from pushing it out of the pipe. Sewage in your house and no running water to clean it up with would be a huge problem. If you can access the pipe, a ball valve could be installed and closed during a crisis if needed. Don’t know how the county would feel about it, though. What they don’t know won’t hurt ‘em.

        • Lou says:

          Get a plumber’s inflatable test plug to fit your main sewer line (probably 3″ pipe), a bike pump, rubber gloves (it will probably be yuccy). There is probably a cleanout fitting in the line before or right after it enters your house. Mine has one and the house id 10 Y.O.

  2. Youngprepper says:

    Not to sound like an ass, but if you haven’t thought of these things already then you’ve got a long ways to go to be even remotely prepared for a mild SHTF scenario.

    • Very true. These are good points, and a good prepper has already considered each of these possibilities and more. Add to this: dead bodies – if they are not taken care of, they could cause the spread of disease, also. If you can’t bug in, transportation could be another problem. Moving your family, your stuff, and getting away without being targeted, or running out of gas, or breaking down, etc. There are many angles to consider. Good luck!

      • Russ says:

        Rapid disposal of all dead bodies is an important point, as in past wars corpses often killed more people than the enemy did. When corpses are allowed to remain exposed they begin to rot, then the fly population dramatically increases. Next time you eat chow with all those flies around just remember where they were a short time ago. There are so many that you can’t stop them from walking on your cake, so transmitting desease from rotting corpses to you really is just a cakewalk for the flies. So if you can’t dispose of the bodies, then you’ll need to plan for a fly and vermin proof cooking and eating area as well as body disposal.

        • laura m. says:

          Russ: I’m assuming burning dead bodies incl dead livestock, other animals would be main way to dispose, unless there is heavy equipment and diesel fuel to run it for mass burials. Same goes for household garbage.

          • start digging

          • country boy says:

            Get some caustic lime. Cover the corpses with it before burial. The corpses will decay without the stench.

          • Bubba says:

            In a SHTF situation involving mass deaths people won’t have the TIME to waste digging mass graves and laying out lime. If they are SMART they will burn them, but I suspect in an everyone fend for themselves situation a lot will just be left to rot and spread disease.

          • doc says:

            Bonfire..comes from bonefire..
            OK- comes from 0 killed..
            lotsa luck folks.

          • gritsonamission says:

            Fires could draw attention that there is someone present, and surviving. If a relative dies, and there is not government official coming around to dispose of bodies, I suggest finding a spot a little ways off from your living quarters for the fire. Remember, dead bodies can contaminate under ground water supplies, so digging a hole may not be the best solution.

        • rose says:

          ok, i know everyone feels the “weirdness” as of late, but this morning in my back yard as i let the dog run, i found 2, (NOT ONE) but 2 drowned sqirrels in my pool. i know they were probably playing and fell in, but we’ve had a pool up for 16 yr.s and NEVER this!!! (6-30-12)

          • BillyBob says:

            Oh, no! not the dead squirrels syndrome…Wait maybe they committed suicide knowing what is to come…. Ok, for real check the heat, what is the temperature in your neck of the woods?

          • NunJo says:

            Well, thats one way to get rid of them. I’ve come to hate squirrels since moving to a rural area. They eat everything in site whether it’s ripe or not.

    • Brian says:

      Some people are very new to prepping, and may not have thought of these things yet.
      There is a lot of info out there and it all can be very over whelming for anyone who is new to the idea of prepping.

      • Chris says:

        Im new to prepping and I need to know anything I can about it from firearms to mental and physical preparation. Also I would like to know about some items I should buy now and what I should pack.

        • robertsgt40 says:

          Welcome aboard Chris. If you’re just starting out pretend there is nothing functioning. What do you need to get buy on in the short term? Food, water(guns/ammo a given). I went to SAM’s and bought 50lb bags of rice and pinto beans(still cheap). Stock as much as you can. Food is a great bartering tool. Make a list of the basic things you use during a year. As your budget allows, stock up. Pasta, olive oil etc. Things that don’t go bad fast. Also, find someone with likeminded thinking. Don’t tell everyone what you’re doing. They’ll know where to go when the SHTF

          • Chris says:

            Thank you soo much. I looking for a decent size bag and I just ordered a SOG knife ( seal pup elite to be exact). And I did the same thing at sams, literally today. Rice, different beans, oil, and pasta nooddles. What would be a good fire arm to protect myself.

          • Esther says:

            I disagree. Those just getting started should not overwhelm themselves. Do a ONE DAY scenario fist–most disasters or grid downs really are for only an hour or two up to a few days. Start there and you are already better prepared for anything. Then 3 days, a week, etc.

            Do not forget that one reason most folks are unprepared is because disasters over 1 week have been rare for over a century (except unemployment)

          • country boy says:

            Esther is right – plan first for one-day, then three, and work your way out to 40 days without electricity, water, sewer, gasoline, passable roads, commerce, etc. More than 40 is difficult to plan for.

          • chaswoody says:

            when u start to perpare think in 3’s( 3 days, 3 weeks, 3months, 3 years, 30 years) and then mulipile that for every person ib your group, and here is another thing, the things u take with u will run out at some point, learn skills to increase your chance

          • chaswoody says:

            i was an army ranger, my DI made a good point 1 day. we all had very expensive knifes ,just throwing them at a tree, he ask to see 1 of them, he throw it at a tree but just missed it broking the tip of the blade, he pulled out his kitchen knife and throw it and it stick in the tree,and he said .see u had knife worth 150 buck and u cannot use it now, but mine only cost 1.50 and it can be resharpen,point is it is not the price of the equipment u have, but how well trained u are at using it

          • chaswoody says:

            and chris, buy equipment that has several uses , for if you have to carry items on your back. the weight will be a big factor for every1, a SOG knife is a good knife but it is hard to cleana fish ,or skin a deer with or to split a piece of wood to start a fire

          • Big seal is ready says:

            Chris this is the first time I have been to this site and I see people talking about buying large amounts of food that will store. This is ok if you are in a very remote place. Most of us will have to leave, I will I am to close to 3 big cities not good. Get out buy a dehydrator make jerky dry fruits and veggies. and get peanut butter great for protein Go get a tetanus shot buy ammo. Have a plan, I have a set course to the Rockies and a base ready. I have M.R.E. s guns and ammo buried on a set path there. It is 2000 miles there do I know me and my family can’t carry everything. So every 50 miles we have supplies all off main roads. I spent 15 years in the special forces. Remember you can’t carry a lot of things with you. Get water purification tablets so you don’t have to carry water it is to heavy. You can go any creek pond or lake fill your canteen ad a tab and drink. I picked a place for us 65 miles from any town. This extreme I know but people will kill for no reason when law is gone. Hurry and make your plan now I have spent 3 years getting ready. As soon as it happens get in your car and drive as far west as you can till the shit hit the fan then hike it from there. But you have to get out away from other people

          • Old dog says:

            Hi Chris
            Chaswoody provided a lot of good tips, but when he said “think of 3’s” he missed two…3 minutes and three hours. Air and proper shelter for conditions. By no means did I come up with this, it has been out there for a long time. Read one of Cody Lundin’s books. Easy to read, funny at times, but packed with a lot of things to consider.

            Happy prepping

            OD

          • Prepper says:

            Why does everyone keep saying their plan is to “drive west as far as you can”??? The west is populated too, this is not the damn old west! The Rocky Mountains are no place for someone thats lived a pampered city life. If you don’t already live here, you will die from exposure..if the wolves and bears don’t get you first. If you don’t want to be in the city when the shtf, move now. But don’t come here, we’ve got enough unprepared people who will just make things worse for the rest of us.

          • Yankee Doodle says:

            I disagree. I say let EVERYONE know what you are doing, and when they show up unarmed, use them as food or slave labor.

        • BillyBob says:

          Good for you Chris. You have already started. You are searching the web. There is much info you can gain from this site alone. Welcome aboard.

          • Bigsealisready says:

            Chris now get good hiking or combat boots. Hot and light cold weather cloths. I Kbar knife. As for weapons I will pack my .45 auto, 3 AR15’s and a .22. People laugh at the .22 but you can kill about any food animal with a head shot for the bigger ones like deer and not much noise for to be located. Get a good military backpack a folding shovel to carry on your waist. A military compass and maps. It is not late to take a class to learn how to use one basic know how isn’t hard. In your money allows it night vision goggles is a must coz you don’t want to move during the day till you are out of populated areas. First aid is I must take a basic class could save yours or your family members life. Read up on herbs, a lot of cooking herbs help your body more than you might know. Like I said before get purification tablets for water a lot of them. You can only carry a gallon on you, but with the tabs you can carry maybe 100 gallons worth of drinking water. Carry a magnifying glass so if you lighter is done or you matches are gone you can still start a fire. Pack socks, a blister can lead to death if it gets infected. Get the backpack now put 40lbs in it and start walking, through the woods if you can get there you can walk all day carting the weight. My 10 yo boy can hike 8 hrs with 20lbs now. If you have a family they will have to do the same as well

          • Cornholeus says:

            2000 miles is a long way for a refugee. Lots of things could go wrong along the way and you’ll have lots of company.

        • lonnie says:

          Chris no one can be sure of there metal capability until the real thing happens but i do have place for you to start 1,hearing 2,smell 3,sight and 4,this is the big one training your brain These are the most basic survival tools

        • sid says:

          Welcome Chris. I would suggest to start listening to the podcast at thesurvivalpodcast.com. The guy is up to almost a thousand podcasts where he covers gardening and all kinds of preps, and interviews experts on a wide range of topics. Start with the basics and build up from there.

      • Keystone28 says:

        Brian is right. I gave very little thought to this type of until Hurricane Katrina. I mean, I had a plan to head for the family farm after 9/11, but it wasn’t a solid option. But my wife’s side of the family live in Louisiana, and the stories I’ve heard from them have convinced me that this is a paramount necessity. One of our Aunts actually saw a car full of men force their way into a gas line at gun point in Baton Rouge a few days after the levees broke.

        The points made here are a good jumping off point for people who have not really given this a whole lot of thought.

      • Deb says:

        Chris – When you can, do some searches on You Tube. There is an amazing amount of information / videos that you can learn from and things you can make that will not cost a fortune, food storage, weapons, bug out bags, etc. I just learned how to make olive oil lamps! Good Luck -Be Well

    • JulieJ says:

      Exactly… I was thinking the same thing. If these issues haven’t crossed your mind, then you’ve got more thinking and research to do.

    • RoyG says:

      well these are all good points but if we were all as good as the youngprepper than we would have all thought about these things and these info boards wouldnt be necessary… I for one am thankfull that new information is always circulating the net.. thanks…

    • Ivylibra224 says:

      It may be true that those people who haven’t thought of these things have a long way to go, but you had a long way to go when you first started too, and I’m sure as time went on you became aware of many things you hadn’t thought about.

  3. MaN1aC says:

    good information as always

  4. Okie boy says:

    I have an above ground pool that will serve 4 to 8 people for a year. My next project is to run guttering with a flexable detachable hose to refill it when it rains.

    Sewer line is in backyard with a upright vent hole next to the house. Put a five gallen bucket on it with a toilet seat. Rinse it down 2 or 3 times a day with pool water and you are good. If that fails then the man hole to the sewer is also in my backyard and can do the same as above with plywood support.

    I have traps,guns, plenty of ammo for each gun. back up water in addition to the pool, and 4 55 gallon drums that will give me over 200 gallons of extra fuel. Fireplace and cast iron will work in a pinch, so will charcoal grill and propane grill.

    Bugout location is just under 2 hours away with well and plenty of land to survive on. Wife has canned enough food with bought dry goods to last family for over a year.

    Be prepared

    • T says:

      Another good way is to get the proverbial 5- gal. bucket w/ a toilet top (can buy at emergency essentials.com) Then put dirt in the bottom of it. Now, do your duty in there…and put more dirt on top of that. Keep going that way til full- top w/ more dirt, then put lid on. Keep it for a year and you have compost.

      • K says:

        Can human waste really be used as compost? I was told you can’t or shouldn’t use waste from any meat-eating animal. I guess if you’re a vegan then you’re ok?

        • Just add earthworms. Google vermicomposting for some info on how well they work.

          • Adam Nunya says:

            Sorry, but there *is* something to K’s info. Fecal material from humans needs to be boiled to kill off harmful organisms (like the worm ascariasis) then mixed with sand or other soil in order to use it on food-producing crops- and even then there may be issues with concentrations of heavy metals. Vegans aren’t safe either because they may be ingesting already-infested tomatoes, lettuce, etc. Check wiki’s page on `night soil’ and please do more research before you implement this.

          • shadeclan says:

            Actually, composting human waste is a viable alternative to chemical disposal and can be done safely. Check out The Humanure Handbook: http://www.weblife.org/humanure/

          • William Fagan says:

            I just did a study for our Las Vegas Roadwarrior Survivalist group on Composting.Composting is a great idea…but its a little complicated. Please study up good before you put it in your garden.

          • Lou says:

            I think K is right. I have read that human fecal matter is one of the most infectious substances on the planet.

        • laura m. says:

          K: I have used compost from cat manure and chicken manure on flowers and bushes; chicken, goat, horse or cow manure on tomato, pepper bushes . Mainly I use fruit and veg waste for compost. I would never use human, hog or dog waste. For melons, squash or anything touching the ground, I’d use veg compost or cow manure.

        • It can not only be used for compost, but can also be used to produce biogas (a weak form of natural gas) as part of its breakdown process

        • S says:

          K, I heard you could especially if you use a composting toilet. As for me, I will pass on this one. I make a mean mulch pile that will work well.

        • sidney says:

          Yes it can with the right precautions. Get the book Humanure.

      • M says:

        A lot easier to use existing toilets and place a small trash bag in the now empty bowl and dispose after each use. Eventually you’d run out of bags, but for a shorter crisis it would be a preferred method. Having lime on hand would help as well.

      • Heather says:

        You guys make everything so complicated. You wanna be a prepper? Build an outhouse. If you want to know how to properly survive a real SHTF situation, you better start thinking about how your great grandparents lived. They managed without running water, indoor toilets, and storebought food. They had an outhouse and a well with a handpump. You waste thousands of dollars on expensive knives, waste really useful 5gallon buckets, buy overpriced and mostly useless guns and you invest in freeze dried food that has zero nutritional value. Build an outhouse, then support a boy scout this year and buy a tin of popcorn. When you have eaten the popcorn, wash the tin and use it to store toilet paper. If you buy the big tin, it will hold feminine hygiene products as well. Problem solved.

        • sidney says:

          Exactly! I would suggest getting some Foxfire books and books on basic self sufficiency. At the very least, people should be trying to grow a garden.

        • Jayzlady says:

          My family owns a small cabin that sits in the middle of 80 acres. It has no plumbing or electricity anywhere. It’s been in the family for 4 generations now. We will often go there for extended “retreats” once you have the basics established you’re fine. There is an outhouse, wood stove for heat and cooking, a stream nearby and we collect rainwater in large drums attached to the gutters. There is established grounds for gardening as well as a pond for fishing. It’s not fancy, but I LOVE being there. We have recently added a few solar powered battery chargers for flashlights and such. The time I have spent there has taught me a lot and I employ many of the same backups in my home. I live in a small rural city and we have a wood stove in the house and garage, short wave radios with their own power, a river close by, trees for fuel, and established gardening space. I don’t think we need drums of food and so on….we have the essentials established and a place to go if we have to leave. I also have books on hand that have campfire recipes and other survival techniques. No need to get crazy! Get your essentials know how to find the rest and you’ll be fine :)

        • Terry says:

          You are right, after the shtf, when your supplies are nearing the end you need to know what you will do next. My grandfather cured his own hams, raised chicken and gardened, etc, Learn how the folks did it back in the day. All the survival gear, bug out bags etc will not help you then, knowledge will

        • There is an endless supply of 5 gallon buckets available for free. Just ask around. They are great for storing everything from food to supplies to human waste if the time comes.

    • Wayne says:

      You can’t drink pool water, and you can’t filter out the stuff in it. The best thing you can do is empty it, then refill it and don’t put pool chemicals in it. Then be sure to put a good pool tarp or two over it to keep everything out, including sunlight, which will give you algae. It takes me a couple of days to fill my 24′ round pool, which holds 15-17 thousand gallons.

      • Sunshine says:

        Do you think it would work to just stop adding pool chemicals and let the water is yucky and green? Then filter the ugly water. I figure if algae can grow and bugs can live, then maybe the water can be reset with the help of a good Berkey.

      • SolarStill says:

        A simple solar still would remove MOST of the harmful volatiles, heavy metals, particulates, and bacteria. However, might want to follow with a suitable volatiles absorbing filter. Be sure to follow a regular prophylactic regimen on the still apparatus and post-distillation storage containers as needed.

        • SolarStill says:

          By the way, even if you have suitable water filters, pre-treating heavily contaminated water with a solar still, will significantly increase the lifespan of the filters.

      • Kim says:

        Depends on how you purify your pool water. We use a Floatron, an ionizer, which cuts us to about 2 chlorine tablets every 7-10 days in a 34000 gallon pool. That makes our chlorine level lower than most tap water. In a pinch the floatron works pretty well by itself for weeks. If the pool gets too green, add fish!

      • Anyone who has ever filled an inground swimming pool knows just how filthy the water is. I wouldn’t want to drink that would you? You can’t see the bottom of the pool once that water is in it.

        At the very least, store up glass jars with water before disaster hits. At least you’ll have tap water to drink. eBay may have glass jugs. Not sure. A friend mentioned, but when I asked her if they were plastic, she didn’t answer. Plastic emits a chemical into water too, so not safe to store water in it for very long.

        In the US, buy apple juice in those wonderful 1/2 gallon glass containers. Then save them to store water in after finishing the juice. I’m in the UK. We don’t have those glass bottles here. :-(

        • Glass is breakable and heavy. Just wash your plastic soda bottles out very well and seal. They are easily storable in crawlspaces, closets, and the like. Can be ‘treated’ before drinking (if you don’t trust the regular chlorine in city water to do the job) by leaving in the sun for a day or two or adding 8 drops of fresh bleach. Also easy to transport if necessary.

    • JayJay says:

      This solution about an above ground pool gets the same reaction from me as a garden; can you guard it 24/7???

    • TANK says:

      I was told of an idea to dispose of human waste by using buckets or barrels and mixing in quick setting concrete mix as you fill up the bucket. You would have a concrete block that should be easier to dispose of.

    • J says:

      It will not be possible to use the sewer for a toilet, when the power goes out they will stop pumping the waste out of the end of the line, the lines will back up, all your uphill neighbors sewage will come into your home thru your toilet or out of the opening in your yard, you will want to plug the sewer cleanout in your yard

    • Mike says:

      Hey Okie,

      I too have a pool but am getting conflicting informatin on how to make sure the water is safe for drinking and cooking…purification, filtering, etc., It is perfect for grey water.

      Do you have any answers ?

      Thanks,

      Mike

  5. Rick says:

    Booby Traps, Explosives & Canons (like the olden days) will take carry of almost anything. Save the ammo for up close situations & hunting. Toilets, out house. Same in the city. Water Purification tablets. Bed sheets, shirts, etc. all work for wiping your butt in a SHTF scenario, wash, hang to dry reuse. Garbage should be recycled, cans and bottles for carrying water, tools, making things, etc. Compose all organic material and burn the rest (which will be very little). CB Radio, w \Battery Pack, Solar Powered Trickle Charger.

  6. old soldier says:

    An excellent article with excellent points to ponder. If a person hasn’t thought of them, this article will serve as a reminder. The thing is it’s never too late to prepare. Item 1 is a “biggy”. With the cuts to law enforcement across the country, it can definitely be a problem in a disaster situation. Item 4, gangs, is something very few people even consider. I have. I used to have a real interest in them. Took courses and attended seminars …read books on them. They are well organized. Few people realize that. Even to some extent, the police. They have a command structure in place, have an organization, and, in the really organized ones, have a dedication to each other and the organization. In a disaster situation, they have the numbers and organization to survive and …can be a real threat. Just a suggestion to close out my comment. Put together a few key books for a disaster library. A sprinkling of emergency medicine, survival techniques, small farming techniques, to name a few. There’s an old maxim “there are two kinds of knowledge: the kind you know and the kind you know where to find.”

    • Derweissewolf says:

      Sorry to piggyback on your comment..

      In the event of a major loss of the power grid am I correct in thinking that the door, gates, and electrified walls of (most modern)prisons/jail will stop working? Basically opening up, and releasing all the prisoners that get past the few armed guards at the prison?

      • jake says:

        yep thats correct, if i remember correctly when katrina hit they just let all the prisoners and jailed out after they ran out of food and water. prisons only have enough food to last a few days max for all the prisoners, im sure its the same for jails. they let them all out ( murderers, rapists and so on) and rounded them up when things calmed down.

        • RG_77083 says:

          Jails, NO, that is not correct, the locks are NOT magnetic they are electric and driven by GEARS. If the power goes out, nothing happens but the gear locks will NOT turn. In the event of a fire, guards have to hand crank the cells open. Houston loses power several times a year and we have never had a jail escape or prisoner escape.

          • kATHY hODGES says:

            EVER HEARD OF A GENERATOR? I THINK PRISONS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEM.

          • jim says:

            prisons and jails do have generators. the company I work for operates the generators at two different prisons in nj. but, they usually run on natural gas, which is piped in from somewhere else. if the gas plant goes down, so does everything that runs off of the gas coming from it. their emergency generators run on diesel, but you can only keep so much diesel fuel onsite.

  7. #6 and #7 are great ones. We really don’t understand how running water and sanitation pickup keep us healthy.

    Be able to treat and purify our water will be key.

  8. Donald K. Simmons says:

    Between #1 and #2 should include “paramilitaries”, think “brown shirts”, uniformed or non-uniformed political police, that identify each other with some distinct identifier, such as a hat, arm band, or t-shirt. They may have an existing list of people whose homes they raid, or they may go door to door conducting searches and confiscating things. They will likely violently assault or kill, and they may have field prisons for those they just ‘arrest’ as hostages. They may have sub-groups that act as death squads.

    Often these are organized from other, existing organizations, like unions, as well as criminals released from jails and prisons. They are scum.

    Paramilitaries can be used to prevent or disrupt public assemblies, political opposition, purges and raids on hated groups. In some cases, they may work with the police and military, who usually disdain them.

    After WWII, they were most common in central and South America, but also in the Middle East.

    • Amy says:

      We already have one it’s called Blackwater..

      • Peter Franks says:

        Actually AMY we do already have one and it is called SEIU.

  9. My vote is for #6, garbage as a killer, because most people have no idea what to do with their trash if the garbage men don’t pick it up every week! Fast forward a few months and diseases will rampant.

    • BOONE says:

      Well everyone getting ahead of your selves speaking as a person who has spent 28 years in the military,I tell you if it comes to the disaster you are talking about esp if the big bombs drops well I hate to be a party pooper but you dont want to even live thru it sorry.. but its real folks and as for trash its better to tear up as much as you can look as if you have nothing the more trash you have the more it makes you look like you have alot ..dont talk to strangers keep to your self at first if you have supplies do not ever tell anyone you have got anything if anything act as if you dont . if you have kids tell them to not ever talk about anything in the house as far as toliet stock up on gargage bags wrap them in the toliet stock up also on that stuff they put in the tanks of commerical Greyhound or RV’S it will keep the smell down but the trash bagg is the best …in case if the plumbing goes out ..there is a company out there you can request there catalog its call Emergency Essentials that is loaded with all you need ..

  10. GoodOleBoy says:

    All good points. An interesting note though is that during Hurricane Katrina one National Guard unit stood down upon orders to confiscate weapons. Not all would do that but it is nice to know that some still have integrity with regards to their oath to defend the Constitution. Another lesson from Hurricane Katrina is that they sent in military contractors, mercenaries, to do the dirty work.

    • Phillis N. says:

      More and more U.S. military personnel know what is coming, and the job they are expected to do. Which is why they are being shipped out, and foreign troops brought in to practice the maneuvers necessary to arrest and kill. It is unlikely that either are aware they will never see home again.

      After a carefully nutured, decades-long global hatred for Americans, we cannot count on common sense from other humans. It will never occur to them that they have been played, or that Americans couldn’t possibly be responsible for the cruel actions of their rogue government, so don’t expect it from them. Nor can the reasonably sane expect humanity from troops who hate us and are trained to kill. There is a language barrier to make it even less likely. If you have truly wanted to be self-sufficient, now would be a good time to adopt the mentality that you are now exactly that. It is entirely possible for you to become a professional at it.

      • K says:

        I live overseas and I’d really like to find a way to get information on what’s going on over here. I read a lot of these SHTF things for the US, but I don’t know what to expect over here. Is there any kind of global mailing list or something?

        • Russ says:

          Since the global economy is global, and since the U.S. dollar is the international medium of exchange, (as I think you are aware since you are an expat like me,) when the SHTF it will be global. It doesn’t matter where you live, global is global. Be prepared.

      • lee66 says:

        only those Americans in suits or unusually expensive “civvies” will be identified as the devils in disguise, the rest of the world knows the score! most of us now know that the American “people” have been sold out. some things cant be faked .I am a person with very little in comparison to the “elite few” i could easily identify them, as could the rest of the “people” what I am trying to say is lets not make the “people” so paranoid that they wont help or accept help from their peers. those who live in western cultures understand exactly what has taken place in the U.S.
        Maintain order, group together, UNITE United you will never walk alone.
        UNITED WE STAND , DIVIDED WE FALL
        Have No Fear!! Interact, make new friends, be more open, dont crawl under a rock, that would be the worst thing possible, this is not a planet for 1% T.T.F.U
        be proud, be alert, be your higher self, show your strength defend your belief and peers, share and share alike, help those who need it, eliminate those who try and take your freedoms as they did before. who dares, wins!

        • wiley says:

          Love this.

        • RG_77083 says:

          If you feed one, you will end up feeding hundreds. They will use tactics like sending a child to your door begging, if you give food, then later 20 will show up.
          GANGS will get BIGGER and more violent the more hunger there is, they will join forces and TAKE whatever they find.
          Hate squirels and birds, they eat everything in the garden. If they don’t what’s to stop your neighbor from coming over the fence at night and eating half of what you have grown?
          If you need 24 hour patroling you’d better have neighbors who join with you and live with you to guard and patrol, even in daylight. Armed gangs will venture farther out from the cities the hungrier they get. They will forage and hunt for food relentlessly.

  11. OVERCAST says:

    What about community organization? SHFT scenario you will need help. No matter how much you prep. Knowing your neighbors and being like minded will help. If your neighbors think a collapse scenario is crazy talk, then tell them to prep. for natural disaster and keep the “crazy talk” to a minimal.

    • Falcon says:

      Overcast, perhaps we can get the community organizer in-chief to set things up for us! I’m sure he will help to maintain the peace.

      • OVERCAST says:

        Falcon, I love and appreciate sarcaism. I forgot community organizer is what B.H.O. did before becoming the power broker he is. Still I stand by my statement.

        • H.billy says:

          What did he do, clean out people’s sock drawers? I never understood the whole community organizer thing.

    • tham says:

      I agree with you, we will all need some sort of cooperation with neighbors to succeed. Unfortunately, 95% of this society remains completely oblivious to what is flowing at their feet.

      • ExitTheMatrix says:

        I’ve read mixed things in regards to banding together with neighbors. Most people think that preppers are wackjobs. Trying to convince them to prep may put a target on your back. SurvivalBlog, for instance, says keep your preps to yourself and tell NO ONE… because when the shtf, your neighbors/friends/family will turn to you. Turn them away and they are desperate then you have a major problem on your hands.

        • Bezy says:

          How many of us want to live without helping our neighbors,family, and friends? Better to have extra stored, help your neighbors every chance you get. Make your home a haven for family, so you will have added protection. Better to be a part of a community protecting each other than having everyone hate you.

          • Mfirefighter14 says:

            Bezy, I couldn’t agree with you more. We all have friends and family that have skills that we will need in a WROL situation who will not prep for one reason or another. It’s better to prep a little extra and be able to help them out and have them with you than it is to try and be a lone wolf.

  12. Mikealive says:

    I’ll keep my preps secret, thank you.

    • OVERCAST says:

      I don’t have water. I have things that make water good.

      • sunshine says:

        I don’t have access to easy water – clean or unclean. That is why I am working on storing potable water that can be filtered. There is a seasonal creek that runs through our farm, but it is almost 1/2 mile back of our home. I could not carry water that far. I am thinking of setting up a bug out location near the creek and away from the road by have not accomplished that yet.

        • (0^0)jafo says:

          if you have a well look in to the flojack well pump you can pump it by hand up hill to 100 ft.

        • Get a wheelbarrow…

    • JayJay says:

      I’m with Mike. Community??? What community–you mean those leeches that don’t even speak when passing??
      Yeah, feed one and you’ll be feeding a hundred.
      Nope—I sacrificed for what I have and can’t save the neighborhood.

      • chaswoody says:

        i agree, if people have thier heads in the sand now, why should we save them, i know it sounds mean(everything is a process in life SHTF is no different 1st there will be chaos, then as people come together on thier own ,there will be order on same small scale, you can only trust those who prove themself for the good of the group,but until that times comes many will die,thur no fault of thier own and some thru falut of thier own,look back into history you see good things from people but alot of bad things, understanding people and how and what makes them think will increase your odds to live

  13. wormdirt says:

    One of the TOP threats in a SHTF situation (and one that never receives the coverage it deserves) is FIRE. From the moment the Golden Hour strikes all the way to a year into WROL, fire will be the constant killer. Mother nature will quickly reclaim those nicely manicured lots/lawns/parks and open spaces. Who’s going to be mowing in a SHTF situ? Think of all that high grass and brush – we will all be surrounded by it. Can you move your family and your gear fast enough? Will you have the means to do so. Think of all the open flame that will be used to cook and heat. No water pressure. No services. All you can do is get out of the way. I hope all of you take this into consideration when making your preps.

    • Arthur says:

      An extremely excellent point.

      • KatieMae says:

        Fire! You read my mind. I live in Colorado, where currently this state is lighting up. I’ve heard that the plan for one fire is to just let it burn until the snow puts it out.

  14. Mike414 says:

    I think this is why communication is paramount ,one person would never be able to conceive every threat scenario. But a network of educated and motivated individuals can foresee or anticipate a majority of those threats. I think it can be shortened to two things only 1. Maintain a working knowledge of surviving, hunting 2.maintain communication with other like minded knowledgable people either by radio, messenger or community.

  15. LP says:

    In reply…

    1. No Law Enforcement.
    I think a lot have taken the beginning steps. Record firearms sales in the last 2 years support that. To see what’s happening with that, we need to look at enrollments in training academies and schools catering to civilians.

    2. Fake Law Enforcement
    Spot on. Home Invaders are using the fake cop scheme even today.

    3. Law Enforcement and the Military Will Try to Take Your Guns
    Yes, they will – even when laws are passed to make that “illegal”. They will use the defense of “we have suspended such laws for the public safety.”

    4. Gangs & Raiders
    Another great point. Urban life may very well be short in a sustained grid-down reality. I suspect even friends will turn to violence when under extreme pressure.

    5. You need to be able to Defend Yourself
    This follows on points 2 and 4.

    6. Garbage will become a Killer
    Distance between it and living spaces is important. Regular hauling away of refuse could be problematic in an unsafe environment. Local disposal is hard, especially with limited space, but it may be necessary for a time. Triple bagging bio waste for later dumping is a good idea.

    7. You have to Stock up on Sanitation Items
    Disinfectants and hygiene items are truly overlooked preps. Good call.

    8. Maintaining a Positive Mental Attitude during a Survival Situation
    To keep the mind healthy, a prepper needs to provide for himself some of those items that he enjoys now. Comfort foods, hobby supplies, media, etc…. Those, along with preps designed specifically to enable survival should help bring a sense of security and even fun.

    9. You must be prepared to face a number of physical and mental challenges
    Supply and practice. Focus and intent. Training and encouragement.

    10. You will be cut off from the outside World
    That HAM radio, or even a shortwave receiver, will go a long way toward allowing the collection of news and information.

    • Pat Newman says:

      Great info.

    • concerned mommy says:

      re: sanitation and hygene. no one yet has mentioned that water can be filtered thru pure clay kitty litter which is actually a form of bentonite which will absorb fungus, heavy metals, radiation etc. (it would still need to be boiled or have purification tablets or bleach added to kill bacteria though. I believe a big bottle of bleach goes a long way though) Also, vinegar is a disinfectant which is also anti-fungal/antibacterial. A well prepared person may do well to know how to make it…

      • gritsonamission says:

        Bleach has a half life. This should be kept in mind when using it to make water drinkable.

  16. tham says:

    I simply do not have sufficient money to be independently off the grid with a home tied to self-sufficient processes at all levels (greywater systems, etc.). I also do not believe we will have a nuclear armageddon with everyone fleeing everywhere at once. Just a continual deterioration of society.

    I did live through the Rodney King riots so I have directly experienced the disappearance of law enforcement and even a case of phony law enforcement. Getting out of central urban zones is key to ANY preparation.

    I do think that being on septic systems along with well water addresses the critical sanitation issue. That’s not out of reach for many. Unfortunately, I do not have well water, but it’s mountain melt, gravity fed and on septic. I’m doing what I can, but if 500 neanderthals come looking for my stuff, I can’t stop them all.

    • K says:

      I know… I’d love to be prepared, but I can barely afford to just take care of the basics right now. I don’t know how people do this…. So far I’ve stocked one bottle of water and two cans of organic veggies in the garage. lol

      • tham says:

        One thing you can do with minimal resources is stock up on some canned goods, enough to get you through a temporary disaster at least. If you have enough chili, batteries, water, flashlight, etc. you can at least survive short term natural disasters. All for a few bucks really.

      • jamie says:

        K, I prepped on the cheap and I have some hints that worked for me at my site. Start with 3 days worth of food like pasta, white rice, some canned meat, even ramen noodles to start. If you by soda in liter bottles just clean them and refil with water. Buy a 5 gallon bucket and a tarp and you will at least have a way to collect rain water. Another bucket for the potty and shredded newspaper can be used to cover up your “stuff” Buy a box Heavy duty garbage bags 4 mil. thick. This a great multi tasker from covering broken windows, trash, a tarp/shelter, A poncho, to warming water in the sun for cleaning up, but not drinking.
        A little first aid kit and some candles and a Bic lighter.
        You can probably pick up a few items to start for about $5.00 USD
        Even if you only have 3 days worth of food and water you are more prepared than 80% of most people.
        That’s your 72 hour kit and you just start building on it and make your 2 week kit. I’m not sure about the gun laws of your country but can you buy pepper or bear spray? that will give you a little defensive weapon. Plus now that you are out of panic mode you can shop for a little water filter that will cost $20.00-$50.00
        I know it’s tough but get at least 3 gallon/12 liter of water and 12 cans of soup/stew and or beans. Add a pound or 1/2 a kilo of rice and pasta and you will have the beginings of preparing.

        • lee66 says:

          K. you can purchase a water purifier from lifestraw for as little as 20$ there are retailers in US AUS UK check on line for your closest they are good for 1000lt of dirty water.
          You are not alone with a tight budget, those who have young kids are in the same situation. associate with like minded groups as the saying goes, there is a safety in numbers, dry foods, basic utensils, fishing hooks, knife, and a lighter. if you dont know how to fish get out there this weekend and learn, it is easy good luck and have fun!

        • Mike says:

          Wasp & Hornet Spray is a good alternative to bear or pepper spray as its really just mace.

          • Nurseprepper says:

            K: Mike is right, wasp & hornet spray can hit the “target” 10-20 feet away. They have to be closer than that for pepper spray to hit the mark. Go straight for the face and eyes. Keep it at your bedside at night. Of course, it “almost” goes without saying, keep it out of the reach of children. Store tap water in 2 liter plastic soft drink bottles when the soft drink is gone. If you buy even one bottle water to drink while out and about, save the bottle, refill it and store when you get home. Ask friends to save them for you (tell them a friend is collecting them for an arts and craft project). Fill them with tap water and date them. Keep a bottle of plain unscented household bleach and don’t use “splashless” bleach such as we have here (it has a thickening agent that you don’t want). If your city water is chlorinated the water virtually has no expiration date.

        • ter says:

          Bug spray is good for self defence too. Most cans will shoot over 20 feet.

        • kimmy says:

          i recommend wasp and hornet spray goes 25 to 27 feet instead of mace and bear spray when you have to be face to face

        • concerned mommy says:

          and dont forget if you dont have a gun, you’ll still have kitchen knives, garden tools, etc. I read
          somewhere that wasp spray is a great defence tool for home invasions, it sprays 20 feet and the person has to go to the hospital for the remedy.

          • concerned mommy says:

            sorry Kimmy, I just saw your note after I posted mine.

        • Tori says:

          I haven’t seen this mentioned..in the comment above jamie mentions pepper/bear spray. If you can’t get that you probably CAN get wasp spray. It sprays from a decent distance (think of trying to kill wasps)and if you use it as you would pepper spray, to the face of an attacker, they are supposedly blinded by the stuff and will have to go to the hospital for an antidote. My Gramma sent me this info years ago in response to a mouse problem. It will kill mice. I’m stocking up on several cans!

        • ready4 says:

          Cheap sticky hairspray works fantastic for self protection. Dollar stores have a small purse size. Go for the eyes and run fast. It works, I have used it!

          For food: If you are a newbie it may be better to store canned food with low sodium/low sugar than pasta or dry beans (unless you are going to sprout the beans). How are you going to soak the beans and cook for hours?

          Check out how to make a soda can stove online and you will be able to heat food in 10 minutes and boil water, at least.

          Also store some extra Nutella, Peanut butter, crackers, healthy cereal and canned milk, powdered milk, or boxes of Almond milk or Coconut milk. Don’t forget a bowl and can opener. At least you will have something to eat fast.

      • JayJay says:

        Give up chit–we have no cable/tv here. No entertainment; no dining out; no hair cuts; no flowers or shrubs this year; no blings at all and there are ways to eliminate the ‘wants’!!!
        Buys lots of rice and ramen noodles.

        • Nurseprepper says:

          Sooooo AMEN! to giving up the “chit”. Plant carrots as a flowerbed border (they make a beautiful border). I’m still pulling carrots from last year, just keep them in the ground until I need them. You can do the same with other root veggies.

      • K, I have a book recommendation for you. It’s titled “Surviving Off Off-Grid” by Michael Bunker. I suggest finding it on Amazon.com and perusing the reviews to see if it’s something that would interest you. A major aspect of this book is prepping on a budget, or, more accurately, simplifying life such that prepping becomes a natural way of life.

      • Ralph says:

        K, be prepared for 2 scenarios: 1. Stay at home 2. Fleeing.
        Also whether you go it alone, or with at least 1 (trustworthy) other.
        If at home, stock up on high protein foods, tinned mackerel recommended. Forget veggies. Start looking around your area to
        identify edible plants, get a book from the library on it.
        If fleeing, how much water can you carry? Best to take chlorine tablets. Also iodine which is dual use – medicinal.
        Good quality multivitamins and minerals. Going without food is not that hard, (did it for nearly 10 days) at 1st it’s largely
        a mental issue.
        The main point is to last longer than most of the others.

        • Nurseprepper says:

          My father hunted for deer, squirrel, frog legs, possum, and other game and taught us how to fish for what kind of fish we wanted for supper, bass, bream, crappie, catfish. We had an outhouse and a well that dried up every summer. Later we did have one cold water tap on the back porch. We foraged for poke salad in the spring, gooseberries, blackberries, wild chestnuts, etc. My mother was a spinner in the cotton mill making $20.00 a week and when she bought groceries, the only things she purchased were “staples” like sugar, flour, cornmeal, rice, tea, and coffee. We had a cow for milk and butter. Chickens for meat and eggs and pigs for meat and lard. As I grew older, I couldn’t wait to get out of that lifestyle, went to college, became a nurse and God greatly prospered me. But over the years as I observed US and world politics, world leaders and their wars come and go, I grew to realize how fragile the world has become both politically and financially. Looking back over my 65 1/2 years I must now say, being raised in “poverty” was the best lesson in prepping I could have ever had and I thank God for the lessons that came out of my childhood. My prayer is that God blesses us all but the life lessons He sends each of us are some of the richest resources we have. Learn those lessons well and actively seek more knowledge in self-reliance. As for me I’m building on the medical aspects of a 32 year nursing career while growing veggies in flower beds, planting berry vines (naronia and gogi) in plain site that no one here has ever seen and just think they are ornamental. I live in the southeast US with a Super Walmart 2 miles away, maybe it’s just here, but on Saturday evening and Sunday it looks like the aftermath of a food buying frenzy for a population preparing for a hurricane. I once asked the produce workers to check the storage room for a bag of Irish potatoes and was told they were out and wouldn’t have more for a couple of days. THAT told me the truth of the stores only having a 3 day supply of food. Sorry for the long post but this is one of the best sites I’ve seen and just wanted to let you know a bit about me because I plan to visit you all often on this site. Great info here!

          • NavyMom2Katy says:

            Nurseprepper: Am new to this site and have found your posts very helpful. I, too, am a nurse of over 35 years. Have been prepping for little over 2 years and feel we have so far to go. You’re right about the way you were raised. Though it was because of resource management that you grew up closer to the earth, my own parents both enjoyed that type of raising, yet have only begun trying to instill that wisdom to myself and my siblings in the last 8 years. They’ve seen the wisdom in the “old ways”, and I’m so afraid they will die before they can impart what they know. We’ve started writing down their thoughts and the stories they tell us. Each time there is a nugget of information that will make us more prepared for the hard times ahead. I look forward to hearing more from everyone on this site. So thankful I found it.

        • RG_77083 says:

          Leaving? Don’t bother taking anything with you because the gangs (both city and country) will have setup road blocks and will take anything they want from you when you approach. You’ll end up with nothing in your car or truck unless you are ready to shoot your way through a roadblock… maybe not too wise if you are out-numbered and out-gunned.

          Unless you get to your destination within a relatively short period of time you aren’t going to be able to travel much at all, period.

          Face it, you’re going on an extended camping trip for a very long time. Learn outdoor skills and pray you can get to the mountains and fresh water.

          • Bob says:

            You are exactly right, you will not be able to get out, especially if you live in a large metro area. You know what the traffic is every day, now think about it, when shtf happens, you will not know it for a while, if at work you will think this is just something small, you will jot leave right away in fear of losing your job if this isn’t real. Then when you decide to leave everyone else will also and the traffic would be horrendous at best, with everyone in a panic accidents would close roads entirely, so now you have to walk home if at a possible depending how far you live from work. Then your spouse and kids have to get home. So at best you are hours behind the mass exodus, where there will be gangs of looters, robbers, etc. Which you will not be able to outgun or outrun. I have seen grown men cower at the mere presence of someone trying to mug them, and that is without a major happening going on. You can’t carry everything that you will need, if you think youhave mapped out locations along your route to possibly stay for the night, believe me other people with have those same locations mapped out as well. And if you have a bug out location, it will be first come first occupied. If you think you can just go to the wilderness and survive, in certain locations that might be so, but when everyone has the same idea, how long do you think the wildlife would last? How many people go deer hunting every year and never see a deer to shoot, you would be trampling all over one another as well as shooting one another in fear of someone taking your things. All in all in would be total chaos at best, just admit you will have to bug in at your home or a friends home and try your best to defend what you have and establish a neighborhood or community group, that is going to be the best and only way for any kind of survival, because if you have small children or someone that is disabled you can not move and bug out. I know this post has been long but all the survival books and bug out locations will do you no good unless you are prepared to defnd your home and hopefully trying to branch out when things calm down.

      • Kim says:

        Spend what you normally would, but put your “huy-one-get-one” specials in a closet and pretend you didn’t. Find a local cooperative or warehouse store and buy a big bag of rice for the same price as your supermarket small bag. Check out supermarkets in the lower-income and Hispanic areas for more inexpensive bulk items. Most independent health food stores need help making their minimum orders and will buy for you for a 10% upcharge; United Natural Foods is the big supplier and they have monthly sale items even in bulk that the stores can pass on if you ask. Start sprouting; alfalfa, radish and other seeds as well as most grains can be eaten without cooking if you soak them, providing a great source of fresh veggies in 3=5 days in a pinch.

      • William Fagan says:

        K..I belong to Roadwarriors in Las Vegas a survivalist group…see if there are any organizations around and make friends and you can prepare together.My group is great…found some ppl I will likely get together with if the shtf. Good luck.

      • chaswoody says:

        hello K, what most do not understand about prepping is this, 1st thing you have to do is change your mind set, and take small steps, think 3days, get all you need for 3 days and put it inot a backpack, then expend the 3 days into 3 weeks, with food change the way you eat, buy food like rice or pasta, cook it up,then find out diffent ways to enjoy it once you get into the habit of cooking like a prepper you will find it is not hard at all,then branch out into other areas, knowledge is free , if you do not have the equipment aleast you have the knowlegle on how to use stuff or how to improvise, but the best way to become a prepper is to change your life style and habits

      • gritsonamission says:

        I have two kids, and it’s often difficult to take care of our basic daily needs when life is good. I find myself, sometimes, wondering how I’m going to get our preps together. I am a beginner, and have adopted this idea:
        every little bit helps.

        So, when the kids finish a gal. of milk, I was the jug, and fill it with tap water. Every 3 mos., I replace the water in the already filled jugs (I keep track of when each jug was filled), so not to be poisoned by leaching chemicals from the plastic.

        Also, we get a few extra packs of pasta, or beans, or canned goods each time we go shopping. Not a truck load, just two or three cans here and there… It is slowly starting to build up. If we run into a time when finances are tight, I do not hesitate to dip into our food storage. After all, that is what it’s for. There have been a few times, over the last year, when MacGyverAsawa missed work, and the pay checks were smaller. Is that not our own personal disaster? And we ate very well that week, b/c we had our preps. Our preps are the same types of things we eat on a regular basis, not freeze dried stuff in industrial type bags that are impervious to weather… We just keep our prep pantry clean on a regular basis (to keep out pests), and rotate out things that are getting close to their expiration.

        Hope this was some help.

        • thisthatandtheother says:

          Do not use milk or juice jugs, no matter how much cleaning you do there will be a residue that will taint the water. 2 liter bottles from pop are a better choice.

          • Thank you. I was saving rice milk containers that I had rinsed out well.

      • Just will not say says:

        K, I feel you. prepping on a budget is tuff but, feasible. Dried beans and rice relatively affordable and go a long way. Water purification tablets buy them now… food you can go w/o a lot longer than water. Go to any prep site order tabs, very cheap. Topical antibiotics, some form of defense and learn how to use it. Seeds again, many prepping sites for heirloom seeds very inexpensive. One day at a time. I’ve been prepping for years and still have not thought of every likely scenario and I suspect no one has. Fact is it’s impossible… I’ve also lived overseas. I know in several countries they have self-defense programs (for free) Put an ad out if there’s one ex-pat there are many. If your in the EU know it has already begun there and they’ve been squelching your news as well. When it hits the mainstream it will be too late. So reach out to ex-pats in the area you’re at. Combine your resources.
        ces.

  17. Shamal says:

    The thing most preppers are not prepared for is a “controlled collapse” that leaves governmental structures in place and where the rule of law does not break down. Instead this is charaterized by currency becoming worthless, gold and silver being confinscated and unemployment, and resulting lack of cash flow, causing them to eat into their supplies and liquidate their prepped assets. If this scenario followed by a hard collapse wherein only small “bubbles” of governmental authority remain the result is going to be catastrophic. The first portion of this scenario is the scenario of the Great Depression and the economic collapse of 1914-1918. If it were not for WWI and WWII these scenarios may have fed into the second scenario presented–here in the US. They eventually did lead to significant unrest elsewhere resulting in a world war each time.

    The point is that we are heading for a world war and the two scenarios above are likely to manifest here in the United States. Think about the scenario in Europe in the years between 1932 and 1941.

    • MDJ says:

      Good points.

  18. Shamal says:

    Another point: Most preppers are assuming that their fellow Americans are all going to be looking to kill them and steal their stuff. While I agree these types of things will happen, don’t forget that the vast majority of people will not be like this. Prepare for the opportunity to help others as well as defending yourselves and you will probably find yourselves in positions of leadership. This nation needs leaders that think and plan ahead instead of the current crop of leadershit that thinks like grasshoppers.

    When the bad times come your neighbors may well look to you to provide direction and information rather than as a source to loot. Keep some hard copies of things such as instructional booklets on how to garden, animal husbandry, etc. and be prepared to teach them “how to fish” instead of either giving them fish or having to blow them away because they decide to take it. By all means, be prepared for that unfortunate scenario but do not allow it to be the only scenario that you prepare for.

  19. Gold$tein-1984 says:

    When I ran a business in gangbangville Los Angeles, I discovered the most dangerous bangers were not those infected with homicidal proclivities. It was the suicidal homeboys that made me think twice. You can’t reason with a rabid dog. Your only recourse is to shoot it.

    So… maybe survival is not worth the effort. My plan is to use my house as kindling to burn down the rest of the village. Survival is not the game.

  20. Sherri Rounds says:

    There is an Austrailian company named Primus that sells a solar powered cooler. I saw it in a catalog of theirs. I thought it was an awesome idea. Would be nice to have a cooler.

    • concerned mommy says:

      also on that website is downloadable manuals on survival and building a fallout shelter, and books about farming, soil management and I think keeping critters like chickens.

  21. D says:

    For water purification preparation…buy/store 35% HYDORGEN PEROXIDE AND DILUTE (garden of eden is the best)
    This will sterilize all things and goes a very long way.

  22. LORRAINE says:

    Sundanzer has a solar powered refrigerator 5.8 cu ft. on amazon

  23. LORRAINE says:

    I suggest people rent the TV series JERICHO!

    • LORRAINE says:

      or tv series COLONY

  24. Invader says:

    All good comments on an excellent article. If I may add a few thoughts…1. Water is a major concern. I know all can’t achieve this but many of you can as I have. Have a well drilled below 75′ to insure clean water. Once it’s completed, install both a electric deep well pump and a provision for a manual pump. You will have all the fresh, clean water you need. Check you location for old landfills and/or toxic waste business near there. We have both a deep well and a 5 spring river on our property. 2. Sanitation is VERY important. The garbage bags are an excellent idea but remember if you are burning it you must have a very hot and long time fire. 3. Get 3-6 dogs from your local shelter. Pit bulls and Pit mixes are EXCELLENT!!!! They are very smart, territorial and love to play!!! They are great for security. Most people are inherently afraid of barking/growling dogs esp latinos and blacks. We have 6 and KNOW ONE COMES ON OUR PROPERTY!! We have WARNING signs posted and are fenced completely around. They have been trained NOT to eat anything except what we give them. Shock collars work well for that training plus they wear them all the time in case they get some moron who can’t read or has a death wish. If we get there in time we have just thrown them(2 times)back over the fence and they can fend for themselves. The police who know us won’t even come to investigate. They just tell they were lucky to be alive!!!
    4. The other thing is only for people who live in rural areas. Make sure you have at least 1 tractor and a backhoe/loader. The tractor for all your ground prep for new crops. The backhoe for grunt work, dirt work and burying the dead fools, who tried to invade your sanctuary. 5. Fuel supplies. You can purchase many types of storage tanks today. We have a 2000 gal tank and many others for a total of around 5000 gals of diesel and gas. Plus we have a 45KW diesel genset with 80 gal tank, a 5kw gas genset a truck that holds 90 gal of diesel.

    We are pretty much self sufficient here. We grow most of our own food, fruits and veggies, also root crops and we have cattle.

    We have pretty much covered our asses here. Now for the real good news….we DON’T LIVE IN YOUR FASCIST AMERIKA ANYMORE!!! We got out years ago when I smelled the shit getting ready to hit the fan. So all I can say is start buying metals, not large bars, get a passport, start looking for a new home away from home NOW!!! Start moving your money/metal out while you still can. Remember, no foreign want Gringo accounts anymore. Too much BS with the IRS reporting now. Now there’s a terrorist organization if I ever heard of one. F’m.

    Anyway we wish you all the best in your survival preps. Hopefully someone will take monkeyboy out or by some miracle Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura get elected. Good luck and may the Force be with ya’ll.

    • Invader says:

      Sorry..I’m on medication for URI and it doesn’t have spell checker in it. “Remember, no foreign want Gringo accounts anymore.” Is suppose to read, “Remember, no foreign BANKS want Gringo accounts anymore.”

      There are others but I’m tired now and you can figure them out on your own.

      Have a great life…..

    • Good for you. Where did you go, and I can tell you if it will be safe in the pole shift?

  25. Dutch says:

    Wow! Just stumbled across this site…what a pack of paranoid, delusional, self-obsessed losers! Unfortunately for you, the world won’t end in a catyclism whereby you are the only ones savvy enough to survive…you will all grow old and live off the government-provided pension while you search for other conspiracies and excuses to rant your demented theories and laughable survival tactics.

    • Eddie Slovik says:

      Good luck with your “plan”. Sounds like you have just the one.

      Oh, look! The new iPad is out.

      • Mucnagow says:

        LMAO
        I really think humor is what’s going to keep alot of us sane when the SHTF.

    • That’s right, Dutch, because it couldn’t happen here. Right?

    • Anon says:

      I’ll bet your watching ‘American Idol’ right now? Isn’t that right, “Dutch”? C’mon, just admit it.

    • Chefshitpiece says:

      Im new to this myself, and I do find it difficult to believe. But remember that the office managers at 911 were very quick to tell the employees in the second tower that they should go back to work. The smart ones told the managers to go fuck themselves and got out fast. They lived…the others died.

    • Peter Franks says:

      Gosh Douche,I mean Dutch,

      What an impotent, I mean important post. Now we just need to CARE what you think.

      Go back to the Media Matters website and kneel in front of Soros like you always do. At least you can’t talk with your mouth full.

    • You’re an idiot. These people aren’t any of the adjectives (paranoid, delusional, self-obsessed are adjectives) you wrote here. Wake up!

  26. Clik says:

    Your best bet is to buy a camper trailer or boat.

    We were nine days without power here in an ice storm and the camper sure was handy. Heat, A/C, stove, fridge, microwave, TV, stereo,and the mobilty to go where things were in plentiful supply, toilet paper, bread, fuel, etcetera.

    • lee says:

      We also have a stocked camper, Ready for when we need it. Either pleasure or emergency. Thinking that will be our plan after day 3.. Get it and GO.
      Our house is stocked for probably 90+ days. We can load most of our supplies in an hour and be gone..

  27. Considering the points that there will be fake police and fake military and the true police and military WILL be confiscating firearms (and very likely any stored food, medicine, etc. “for the good of the community”), and considering that there could very well be forced evacuations to Superdome-type FEMA centers, has anyone considered how to deal with the sudden appearance of uniforms? I mean, do we even bother finding out what they want first? If we let them get as far as stacking on our front porch and surrounding the house, we lose. I’m thinking the good ones would have refused to participate in the unlawful orders. Is a warning appropriate or does that only tip them off that you likely have things they want?

    • (0^0)jafo says:

      I jest hope to GOD that the good ones will refuse, then there won’t be anybody to come on the porch…But looters & thieves,game ON,watch out for the trip wires & A.P.D.S. Jest saing(NO TRESPASSING) but you can stack if you want to.
      (ANTI PERSONAL DEVICES) Think dog shit& nails
      the address is 123 Freedom ln.

  28. alsatian says:

    Ho-hum. I have plenty of guns and ammunition and know how to use them. Better yet, I live in a neighborhood where guns are frowned upon by my liberal neighbors, making them easy pickings when fulfilling my requirements.

    • Barry says:

      Instead of aiming to be a useless predator by killing everyone around you and robbing them, why not get off your backside and make an effort to look after you and yours by prepping?

  29. Bert Gummer says:

    The BEST list yet! Other “Patriots for Profit” & “Survival Gurus” only touch on these subjects. 3 tons of MRE’s & half a dozen “Zombie” killers w/500k rds ain’t going to make it. Each of the 10 threats listed requires rigorous pre-planning. The sh*t is in hand, looking to be thrown into the fan. Prep NOW. Stay frosty & standby.

  30. giterdone says:

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned rounding up all the politicians, bankers, lawyers, judges, and ceo’s, and just eliminating them permanently before the SHTF.

    • Anon says:

      excellent point, “git-er-done”! ICELAND DID IT! END THE FED!

  31. Drutch says:

    Rule number one during firearm confiscation. Give them everything you have…bullets first at 1200+fps. If you give up your arms willingly you may as well put a bullet in your head first to save yourself from the horror that will come later.

    • Bert Gummer says:

      Agree. Several other posters have some ideas that do raise a good question; Why do we have to be constantly on the defensive? Every site has all the info on how to defend ones self. How about going out, grabbing these A-holes by the nose & dragging them to the nearest tree? Waiting for the arrival of SHTF just promotes their own self worth & inflated egos. Put Fear onto their doorsteps, not ours.

      • Peter Franks says:

        Good point. When I started prepping several years back, during the Clinton years, I created a mission statement to focus my preparations. I have all points in the article just need emergency power covered, way expensive. Some preppers are focused on the wrong type of disaster, i.e., the Yellowstone super volcano eruption. Maybe it happens this year, maybe in a thousand years. The current impending economic collapse is real as it the tyranny of the US government.

        To your point, my original mission was “to develop the capability to conduct sustained combat operations against a rogue government”. We have arrived at that point.

        Prepare for what is most likely to happen. Water, food, sanitation, medical needs, weapons, ammo and alternative currency are the 7 categories common to all preparations. The mission statement shifts the focus as to which category requires the most attention. Combat operations has a different focus than just surviving an EMP burst or hurricane. So focus on the mission and duration then hope you guessed right..

  32. Goober says:

    Surviving: Tools required – 1 weapon (optional: bare hands)

    Step 1: survive attacks or attempts to aquire materials.
    Step 2: aquire materials (food/medicine/water/weapons/ammo)
    Step 3: Find shelter until next day
    Step 4: Repeat all steps

    It is that simple Jack. Anything you “prep” you will likely have to leave behind at some point (after it has attracted enough ‘flies’) and if you live for any significant amount of time (in anarchy) these steps are what you will be doing anyway. So get a gun or a knife and get good at it. And welcome to the nightmare world of death and suffering that you helped birth.

  33. tall tom says:

    When the SHTF…not IF…but WHEN…

    I cannot foresee the Worst Case Scenario developing.

    Of course I cannot foresee it as I have not ever in my life EXPERIENCED anything remotely like some of what is being described. The truth is that most reading these descriptions would believe them to be paranoid…delusional…and so aberrant that they tend to dismiss the idea that anything so horrible could possibly develop. So they respond like Dutch.

    The sad truth is just because I have not personally experienced anything remotely like this does not mean that it will not happen.

    There are many places in todays World where this is CURRENTLY HAPPENING. Any warzone is an example of the Worst Case Scenarios development. Lebannon…Iraq…Afghanistan..and other exotic places are just naming a few.

    The US Military personell deployed overseas to the theaters of horrid destruction and desolation can testify from first hand experience just what it is like to exist in one of these Hellholes on Earth.

    One of the problems is the xenophobia and lack of cosmopolitan exposure which the average citizen of the United States exhibits. This is what causes some posters to react in revulsion and disbelief to what many here write about.

    My wager is that many whom write and are prepping are ex military. You have seen it therefore you know it. It is too bad that the average American has been sheltered from the truth…have had their attitudes molded by the propaganda spewed by the corporate Main Stream Media…thus do not have…or cannot fathom…a clue about the upcoming devastation which awaits them.

    May God help us all.

    Tall Tom
    I Cor 13

    • thisthatand other says:

      Amen!!

    • JUST A DAB says:

      Tall Tom,
      I, myself, am a working, prepping, fairly young, single mom. I have never been in the military.

      I feel that I am the only one in my circle of friends who is prepping. I do look for websites and threads like this to learn what more I can do and skills I can work on to be more prepared. I have plan A, B, C and etc, just in case.

      I just began to work out to be physically ready. I read books to try to be mentally prepared. I read the Bible everyday to my daughter, so we are spiritually prepared. However, I am still scared and feel that I can’t emotionally prepare myself in the least. Suggestions?

  34. woodhagg says:

    laundry….without machines, laundry needs are very physical, require proper equiment to heat and rinse water, big tubs and lines for drying..etc. I have not seen underwear and socks or towels or sheets on many lists, or how to do a fully manual laundry. Clean clothes and washing up after sick and wounded is just as important as medical and sanitation.
    your sleeping bag will stink pretty quick, and all that special gear will smell like an old hockey bag in time. Baking soda by the barrelful, woodash, big tubs, and bolts of basic fabrics like sheeting and shirting and canvas/denims. A young girl would start weaving her houshold linens for years before she needed them, because it takes that long to weave and spin cloth!!!!
    Just one thing I have seen overlooked many times, and I do weave, and can even MAKE paracord, but no one will have time or equipment to weave. Cloth will be very valuable.

    • Prepper says:

      Learn how to make Lye Soap. Easy, uses the ashes from the wood stove and cleans everything. Even kills bacteria. A little soap, water and elbow grease and your laundry is done.

  35. George says:

    If there is a true SHTF scenario, CW II will rapidly follow.

    (CW II = Civil War II by Thomas Chittum)

  36. Jim says:

    We have been building our safe haven for 4 years, well 120 volt that can run from either of our gen. set or solar. Feeds a 100 gal tank. Hardned house, Stock pile of what is needed for a 2 year stay. I am a Ham radio operater with HF VHF UHF and back-up rigs plus complete station in SUV. We have at least one back-up system for all. Its taken a long time to get ready and if done over time works well.We have gone with 2 deisel gen. set as fuel does not go bad as with gas. Got off Nat. Gas and went to propane 2 systems to have control over that also. The Goverment has given all ulities to the Army so they can be cut off at any time. Have to be able to get off the grid for a extended time. Good luck all and have a plan and keep working on itto improve on it. We will be on our own and don’tlet people around you know what you have, There will be no food water ect

  37. mick says:

    Read a sci fi called Luciers Hammer …its got some good insights .By Jerry Pournelle

  38. Kris says:

    Cannibalism will become a problem once again in the Americas and much of the world due high price of food after hyperinflation has set in, two large scale environmental disasters(Gulf of Mexico oil spill and Fukushima nuclear disaster) and the destruction of the food supply due to genetic engineering.

    • Bert Gummer says:

      Rember: Tuesday is Soylent Green Day.

  39. escapefromobamastan says:

    The book “Dare to Prepare” is a good start for learning how to prepare for the upcoming SHTF scenario.

  40. diggerdan says:

    It sounds to me that most of ya`ll got a roof over your head. A realy good reference is the FOX FIRE series!! I am surprised I have not heard any mention of it. CHECK IT OUT! there are a few different volumes. By the way , I would just dig a hole in the ground and take a dump there then cuver it back up. For water, just get some plastic streatch it out about 2 or 3 ft. above ground to catch morning dew. For food or security – can any body say PUNJI STICKS!!!, maybe not bamboo but you could just sharpen some sticks, kind of sick isn`t it-more ways than 1 to use punji stick! Always cary a good knife, some fishing line, rope, some plastic, clothes. If you get wet and cold you will suffer! a good hatchet or ax – go figure! you guys see, I have been preparing for survival for a few yrs. now and don`t know if I look forward to it at my age but I have been ready. When it happens people will betray you even your best freinds – as I found out the hard way. I have been getting used to living on a 100. buck a mo. and it isn`t that bab once ya get used to it!, I do own my onw property in country though – lucky me for now any way. Heres to yal and hope it does`t ever come to this we all talkin about!!! My van has been foll of supplies now for a few yrs.

    • diggerdan says:

      By the way, don`t forger plenty of fishing hooks!

      • Ophelia says:

        Best to you, Diggerdan. Very good points you made.

  41. T-Man says:

    If and when the govt seizes your firearms, what can you do?…. just sit there and take it up the bum?

    • William Fagan says:

      If jewish folks had a pistol and shot every Nazi that knocked on their door to arrest them…do you think the Nazi’s would have stopped knocking??? You have to fight…somethings are worth dying for!!!

    • (0^0)jafo says:

      I keep a few broken ones around in case of say you need a througdown caus the bad guy didn’t bring one but you shot first & found out later, or say they come to get them i can give them to them and still have my good ones. as for food stockpile in different places so they can’t get it all, best thing to do is not answer the door, make them break in and shoot them with Wasp apray & 00 Buck as they break in

  42. Alex says:

    Just wondering… what are YOU going to do when ‘they’ come to take your legal weapons?

    • Itsa Payne says:

      Tell them that I am a Israeli.

    • Dawn says:

      When they come to take my guns? They can have the “receipt” showing that my 30.06, .38, 12g and 20g were all recently taken to a shop for cleaning and maintenance (this is already on my computer ready for a date and printing). Meanwhile if SHTF and there is even a thought that they will come for our guns we will immediately move the 4 metal planters in the back yard and slip the guns and ammo into the PVC pipes that are already waitingunderneath. I’ll look scared, and cry and ask who I should call for help. The next person who comes to my house will not receive such a warm welcome.

  43. Dawn says:

    A couple of things I thought of that I rarely see mentioned:
    Good shoes/hiking boots/socks – if it lasts more than a few days there will be no fuel. And, even if you do have the ability to store hundreds of gallons you cant take it if you have to leave. Roads will be clogged and eventually the vehicle will run out of gas or break down.
    Bikes/motor bikes – Even if you bug in bikes will be invaluable in a shtf scenario. You can get around accidents or clogged roadways, you can hide easier if needed, and you can save precious fuel for exploring or making short trips.
    Do I think S*** will hit the fan? I see our society degrading every day. I hear of things happeining in our government that scare me. I read about other countries going through civil war. Everything falls at some point. So, a few extra cans of veggies a week, an extra box of ammo every paycheck, a few cases of water every month… At the very least I know I can feed my children if I were to be laid off for a year straight.

  44. Don Russell says:

    cataloges and phone books make great toilet tissue. the Indians used plant leaves or grass for same. there’s no need to build a privy, just dig a hole, use the excavated dirt to cover the waste. get below ground for shtf, people. Simple bug netting covers the entrance hole.

    ww2 took 5 years to kill 50 mill people. shtf will kill 10% of US in 30 days, just from lack of electricity. 30mill dead bodies, from lack of AC, refrigeration, water access, heating, on respirators, etc.

    • (0^0)jafo says:

      Don, It aut to be a lot quiter around here, looking forward to it myself.

  45. Wyntyr says:

    I’m just starting to teach myself for when SHTF. Here’s the things I’m looking at:

    Ammo Reloading – Stores aren’t going to restock after it hits

    Wildcrafting – Nature provided food before grocery stores. Get online and find what edible plants are in your area. I found this site today: http://www.wildcrafting.net/ In an urban area? Check out Steve Brill: http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/

    Water filtration – I live a block away from a channel that connects to a local port off the Gulf. I’ll have access to water… but I’ll have to clean it first.

    Other than that, I’m reading and finding sites like this one in which I can get information. There will always be someone I can learn from.

    As far as community goes, the only way I see that working is if a community of preppers got together BEFORE SHTF. Or if a big enough group of family/friends bands together.

    For now, I wish all of you the best. When it happens, I hope you stay safe and well fed.

  46. tray says:

    Well i have been new to prepping but have thought about it for years. I have a farm small but big enough to be self staining its miles away from any town and I’m learning how to live of grid i have trained myself with a bow and hunt every year i also have books on every topic from trapping to growing a year round garden.but now I’m trying to build a community around me to help with survival.how should i go about that one

  47. church says:

    LMFAO….this people are nutts they have not the first ideal on how to survive…..they talk about tomorrow as if it has come an gone…survival is a everyday thing….cheese&crackers

  48. Emma says:

    I know what is going to happen to me. My family is well prepared. Lots of water almost completely self stable food wise, blah blah blah blah blah. I am only 14 but i know there will be a time when my medication runs out, i will have no more therapy, no one to talk to besides my family. When the realization hits me that my friends my family are all dead or dying I will most likely try killing my self again except this time no one can save me. This will be the end result for alot of kids my age no matter what people think. Kids kill them self’s now when they are not truly alone. You might say but they are not alone they have there family’s. Let me ask you, did you tell your family everything? Even for a diesent amount of adults will kill them self’s. Idk whats going to happen or when it is. I am just a kid, the only reason i am even on this website is that it was up on the computer when i got a hold of it. It is the sad fact of life. WE will all die, one way or another.

    • Marie says:

      Hi Emma,
      Your post affected me most of all. I remember being your age and feeling EXACTLY the same way. The world was in turmoil and my family did not understand me. A war was going on and everyday we thought bombs would distroy the world as we knew it. I felt helpless and like you,, believed there was nothing I could do to change things or make it better. We lived near a marine base and a major navel shipping port. The Blue Angels practiced flying over our house cracking the sound barrier and shaking the windows so violently that we would run for cover and try to hide. We never knew if it was a real threat coming or not until it was over. But we tried to be prepared because nothing is for certain, except for this. We ALL have a PURPOSE and a responsibility to live for that purpose. You never know who you might meet that needs you at that very important moment. Without you, they might not have the chance to learn something from you that they need to find their way. To give up on yourself is to cheat everyone you know, haven’t met yet, or loved. To give up is to stop learning what you CAN do…. and that is extremely important to the world’s survival. We all need to focus on what we can do to make the world a better place. Making friends is the first step. And after that, reading and learning all we can about something that matters to us…..because one day your knowledge might save the life of another, or help to make this world a better place. You haven’t lived long enough to know what you can do, or what you really WANT to do. Life has a curios way of taking us places we never knew existed and that adventure is best experienced when we prepare. You have lots to do, so don’t give up. Best wishes to you!

      • Gary says:

        Excellent. Totally agree

  49. The One says:

    Many valid points here. Most are at least starting to think. What all of you must understand is that the collapse you see coming has been created by the power elite that think you are just useless eaters that need to be exterminated. The SHTF is to be used to thin the heard and soften up those of us who have been getting ready for their totalitarian take over.
    YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE ALONE!!! You need to organize. even a small group has a better chance to survive the initial crap. But you better be part of a larger group when troops start to appear to round up the SHEEPLE! Be ready to resist by any means or you will be removed to a camp and terminated.

  50. Radio Guy says:

    Absolutely agree with all 10 points. I am VERY involved with #10 and would like to talk to someone at OTG about it sometime. There are many plans in the works to maintain communication across the country and there are many ways to secure your communications gear against the worst possible scenario.

  51. Anita says:

    FYI, As I read #3 to my husband who has served in the military over 20 years and has worked 30 years in law enforcement he asked me a question. “Do you not remember what happened when rescuers went into certain neighborhoods?” I didn’t remember, but people were shooting at rescuers and law enforcement. At that point they were told to seize weapons. I haven’t goggled it yet but I’m guessing if I did I would find plenty of information on it.

  52. Stefanie says:

    This prepping thing is all new to me. I know I definitive want to put things away incase of an emergency… but can I ask everyone here a question…??? What is your definition of the SHTF …. I know what it stands for, I just want to see what people think is going to happen …

  53. Dina says:

    Hurricane Katrina … there was really good reason for gun confiscation! I was very close to that area and I know that the people in that area were not behaving like good people should… that is why guns were confiscated… I am grateful to live very far away from there now!! I am guessing that there will be some folks here that ‘freak out’ and misbehave in a SHTF ordeal… but I would like to believe that there are going to be more people already prepared and remaining calm… and helping others, not causing harm to them. I love living in Idaho!

  54. Susan says:

    In1995 when living in St Thomas VI we had a hurricane that devastated the island. During that time I lived without electricity for 2 months and survived with no rioting and did not feel unsafe. The community came together and looked after each other. This is an island that had a extreme amount of poverty. So I would like to hear from others who have had experience in surviving adversity then listen to those who are projecting the what ifs.

  55. Cynthia says:

    I think all of this is very important to know and I thank you.

  56. Dwayne says:

    learn how to fish and clean fish.

  57. RG_77083 says:

    Get a hacksaw and cut your rain gutter down spouts off at barrel level; you can buy 55 gallon, blue plastic water barrels for $55 each at N2IT Containers in Southeast Houston. Rainwater can be used for sanitation, clothes washing, gardening, etc. It can be used for drinking only if you have added some bleach (due to possible bird droppings on your roof, etc.)

    Gardening is all fine and good but unless you have a 24 hour guard you’ll have difficulty raising much of anything due to birds, squirrels, possums, etc. Unless you are way out in the country scavengers (or neighbors) could easily raid your garden and eat or steal a lot of it before you wake up in the morning. Share the responsibilities with close by neighbors to have a larger garden and have 24 hour rotating shifts to guard all your properties.

    Garden size? Think about how much food you will need for one adult to survive the winter. How many plants will you need? How many acres of space will you need to survive the winter? Be realistic.

    Garbage and refuse; get a METAL trash can and BURN all trash that is burnable on a daily basis. You’ll have to make large air holes in the bottom to keep the fire going. Separate plastic and metals out and bury.

    One thing the “sewer stream media” fails to mention when they talk about when the SHTF … sure, it’s all fine and good to have SOME gold or silver, but the next time you hear a story about $10 gasoline or $10 for a loaf of bread… add five words… “IF YOU CAN FIND IT.” Your silver or gold isn’t worth crap if there is nothing to buy.

    Bodies? The military way is to drag them to the entrance of your neighborhood and BURN them and leave the carcasses there as a signal to other gangs not to enter.

  58. Worried Grandma says:

    I have been prepping for sometime now. I have a few questions.1)We have 2 bows and are about to get 2 crossbows. Most in the group can use them. I know we need at least 1 gun, what is the best to get?
    2) We have 3-5 guys in the group only one is into prepping. Really it is me, 2 other females and 1 guy doing the prepping. How do we get the rest in the family to prep? (I don’t want any of our family or friends to show up and have to turn them away.
    3)We have a 2&3yr any ideas for moving them on foot through different types of areas, like someone said we would want to move at night when they would hopefully be sleeping. I thought about making some type of a cart that would have a small bed space and maybe an area under where they would sleep to hold all the gear. which would leave the adults carrying only a weapon and help pushing or pulling. Any ideas?
    4)I live in what is called the Southeastern Ohio, it is a small town, I am 86 miles from a big city in a different state and 2 hrs from a major city in my state. Is it safe to bug in?
    Sorry this is long and I thank each of you for reading. New to this site.

    • thisthatandother says:

      There is a jogging stroller for either one child or two (double stroller). You may be able to improvise and make one. Build a cart with the same concept.

  59. dave says:

    Also, in the event that there is a small window of time after the SHTF when electricity still works and/ or when my generator still works and I have fuel, here is my immediate plan:

    Immediately visit the nearby grocery store and stock up as much as I can fit in the cart of canned goods and other (boxed) goods. There are certain foods (flour, olive oil, etc) that simply have a shelf life that doesn’t facilitate massive storage for long-term, so I would stock up on these things at this time.

  60. Melissa says:

    I am a Mom of 4, I live in a small rural town in a mobile home park which I hate, but hey the economy made it difficult for us to live elsewhere.
    Fire is one of my number 1 concerns. Learn how to put them out properly without an extinguisher because those will run out quick and without power a lot more accidental home fires will happen. If one of my kids knocks a candle over I want to be able to put out that fire ASAP. Knowing how to start one is good to. I have just started getting stuff together but I have always kept at least 1 months worth of food in our regular pantry. Several times we have had money issues any this has been a Godsend to us.
    Separation from your family is a huge issue as well. I have a folder with all of our important info, current family picture and individual pictures. My hubby works out of state so he keeps a real photo of each of us in his wallet just in case he needs to search for us he has a current picture. Make sure they are real pictures not pretty posed ones because honestly people look different dirty and distraught then they do smiling in their Sunday best. My kids all know hubby and I’s info off by heart and I always tell them that if they are lost to look for another Mommy because there is less chance of them being a creep and Moms have a soft spot for lost scared kids who need help. I can’t trust my younger 3 with a weapon or a knife but my oldest is a decent shot and has her own knife. All my kids know the danger of guns and knives so that the curiosity is gone and they have basic gun safety even if i dont trust them to use one.This year we are teaching the kids all to fish and I am very thankful I learned with a cane pole as a kid because they are easy to make.
    As far as garbage goes consider the amount of trash that your supplies create. Disposable diapers and feminine products are a nice convince but pile up quickly and are a huge risk for contamination. Look into cloth for both and how to clean them properly. The 300 cans of food are awesome but that’s a ton of trash that adds up fast and won’t burn. Glass can be reused and don’t forget extra canning lids because you’ll need them later and they will be hard to find. Try to cut down on the trash in your stockpile and consider how things will be disposed of after you use them.
    Newspaper is a good insulator and fire starter, something to read and lots of other uses. I would suggest adding it to your stick pile. Roll it tight and make logs for your rocket stove.
    Plastic coffee cans are food grade plastic and though they don’t resell we’ll they are good for canisters to hold the rice etc that you are currently using rather than getting into the giant bucket daily. You can haul water with them if necessary, and some plastic wrap over the top to help seal better makes them water proof and you could bury an emergency kit, ammo, etc in them with less risk of rust and deterioration than metal ones.
    Sleep deprivation is a serious issue that affects physical health and mental stability. I keep chewable melatonin in my first aide kit. Is safe for kids in small doses and who wants a cranky, wired, child who is scared and may not have the restraint to keep quiet or where they belong at night. Especially toddlers who you can’t reason with. I also keep a comfortable sling to carry my toddler in should I need it. It has many different ways to hold a baby from newborn to 35 pounds because the just under 2 yo will need to be transported and a stroller isn’t always feasible.
    I dislike half my neighbors but I know that if he SHTF they will be doing just what I am, protecting and providing for their own. I keep my mouth gut in get real about what we have but at the same time I do keep some extra things to help out others if They need it.
    Teach your boys how to sew too! Not just that but in general that is something everyone should know not just the girls. In tr same respect teach your girls to hunt. There are not gender stereotypes in our home I want my entire family to know how to take care of themselves.
    It may be a pipe dream but its my hope that if SHTF those that make it will be the foundation for a better world in the end.
    Sorry for the garbled post and typos but its hard on my phone to post. Btw I am fairly new to prepping in general so this article is a good resource for me! Thanks for all the useful info and food for thought!

  61. gritsonamission says:

    We are just getting started w/ preps. We’ve started slowly collecting food and water, and the hubby is working on (actually, it’s over half finished) a way to generate electricity w/o fuel. That should keep the ‘fridge and stove working for food prep and preservation, and give us a small amt. of light at night. Not that I think we should use lights if it’s dark. That would be like waiving a flag, begging for looters to pay us a visit.

    We have not started a garden, nor do we have a well. We also haven’t gotten around to purchasing fire arms and ammo. With two young kids in the house, I am not very comfortable w/ having a stockade of guns around. Guns do next to no good if they are locked up in the Attic, the key is hidden in the bedroom, and the bullets are in the kitchen. However, they may not be a bad idea, for the purposes of hunting food, and killing pests that may try and get into our home (I mean furry ones, not two legged ones).

    We’d LOVE to have a garden, but there’s a few feet of clay all around our home (we are renting w/ no time limit, so we’ll most likely be here for quite a while), where it looks like the land in the back yard washed away. I’m afraid that putting in a fence will be useless, if it is just going to get washed away…

    Basically, my question is, would a worm bin be all we should need, to get us started with a very small patch of garden? As time goes on, we can expand it. The way I see it, something (even if it’s reeeeally small) is better than nothing at all.

    • Enter your name... says:

      Hi I would do container gardening. Buy a couple plastic barrels, cut them in half and get some black dirt(check farmers) the stuff you buy in bags at the stores just do not have enough stuff in it to continue for plants to grow it seems. Put a couple smaller holes in the barrels about a couple inches up from bottom for over flow water. You can paint them white if you live in a hot climate too to help and make them look a little nicer too. You can plant tomatoes, cucumbers, lettuces, onions, peppers, squash, anything you can think of. also could make a little wooden garden and use dirt too in that. We have a lot of clay here too so I container garden and finally got a regular garden growing a couple years ago, We have horses so have all the free black dirt we can use.

  62. frugal fredie says:

    One easy way to handle garbage is to incinerate it. I doubt the AQMD will be making the rounds after the SHTF.

  63. Gee says:

    Hi. First time on the site and thank you for all the great tips and ideas! The one thing I didn’t see mentioned that I think is a great idea is aquaponics. Growing vegetables on top and fish on the bottom so that the plants filter the water and the fish fertilize the plants. I’m just starting to look into it but small set ups can even be done inside the house. I live in an apt so it’s been a bit difficult to figure out what to do, so that looked promising. I appreciate all the insight and comments, thank you.

  64. Godly Prepper says:

    The S will HTF. And what I haven’t seen mentioned is faith in God. Each one should find their spriritual center and their connection to God and have that ready for themselves and others. Prayer may be all you have many times after that “time”.

    I too am prepping food, water, health, protection and shelter. But I am also prepping spiritual matter and my inner connection to God. Most religions teach essentially the same message with a little modification based on the inhabitants at the time. So find the common message and have that available to you post shtf.

  65. Sam says:

    Can anyone with knowledge speculate what would happen longterm to the plumbing in a home if you DO have the back flow preventer/turn off, etc? Will there be gas build up in the pipes? Assuming you don’t use the toilets, what else would you have to worry about in your home? I’m wondering if having the back flow preventer/turn off, etc makes your home livable long term?
    We are currently creating home plans for building (on the grid) in a rural area and I’d like to have as many contingencies covered for TEOTWASWKI. As fairly new to prepping, I am not finding anything on new building plans that are safely convertible – only off grid building.

  66. Yankee Doodle says:

    I’m just going to come and take whatever you all set up for me. Thanks :).

  67. dputra says:

    Preping is about know how. I lived in Indonesia where many things go uncertain. In terms of economic, politic, or others. Climate is dynamic, earthquakes and volcanos are literally can happen at any moment. Therefore, preping is about knowing how to survive with anything in your pocket or within reach. It is nice of course to stockpile food, but with limited budget I can only stock for a month in advance. Meaning I buy groceries to day so I can use it next month and so forth. Beyond that is not even an option. I always keep flashlight, whistle, pocket folder, 1st aid kit, and personal medicine in my edc waistbag, and I really mean edc. Also copy of my id and a cellphone

  68. Sakeeta says:

    A true prepper would have already prepared for all of these things, plus some more. We have.

  69. Evone says:

    I would like to add one more to his list… If the lights go out all the nuclear plants will not be able to keep cool and it will lead to melt down. Not sure how to prepare for that scenario… maybe that is why he left it off the list.

  70. Nursejan says:

    Actually glass jugs are what you should keep your water in. The large bluish bottles,3-5 gallon the kind for water coolers are ok too. Plastic water bottles, soda bottles, and milk jugs ALL leech toxic chemicals into your water. And whatever you don’t leave those in the sun! Good luck preppers. Books are a great idea, one of the things I didn’t think about. Peace

  71. Crown says:

    Wondering if anybody has any ideas for me.
    I live on a very popular touristy island.
    Closed off in winter and open in summer.
    I dont own a car. We ride bikes. However i live on a shipping lane…
    I dont think there would be a “bug out” option. Also have small children. I have the basics down, food guns ammo propane and a way too cook.
    Gardening tools seeds and dirt. The fact that i live on fresh water and a shipping lane poses its own problems, just looking for some input or ideas thanks

  72. brannon says:

    When the SHTF for real, and everything comes crashing down for real, and the world is dark and bleek, and we all are scrounging around for food, water, fighting the elements, killing, not to be killed, or for food and water, etc. I think I will pass on that. By that time, its to late. I would rather not be on this earth anymore. All the bug out, prepping, gun slinging stuff sounds great, and adventourous, living off the land, etc(I do own guns, and I am pro 2nd Amendment, just to let you know) but I would rather be gone, and not have to deal, because do you really want to live(try to live) like that. I know I dont….Just saying….

  73. brannon says:

    Hollywood, books, etc, have somewhat glamorized the bug out, end of the world, type stuff in movies and tv shows. When everything really does collapse, and all the food, water and things that make life comfortable are hard to come by, or for the most part gone, and you have to kill or be killed, then where is the glamour in that? Its not going to be a Hollywood show or movie people. Not many people will survive. Everyone will eradicate everyone else. Its not going to be like the walking dead, as adventurous and cool looking as that show may seem. It will not be a fantasy. The ones who think they are Bad or the Rambo, type will get eradicated first. There will be no winners…..So, iit will not be what you think it will be, nor what I think it will be, but I know its not going to be a Hollywood movie or show….

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