Depending on where you live, and exactly what you decide to live in, the answer could be yes. A growing number of city and county zoning agencies around the world are implementing ordinances to crack down on off-grid living, and in case after case, they’re making it a crime.
We’ve been covering this fight for over a decade now. From targeting self-reliant homeowners with antiquated zoning laws to forming special code enforcement squads designed to force people back onto the grid, there is a war against self-reliance going on in this country — and depending on the zip code, the government is winning.
What’s changed since we first started writing about this isn’t the war itself. It’s the scale of it. The cases below start with the ones that put this issue on the map. Then we bring you current — because in the last two years alone, this fight has spread from rural homesteads to entire city blocks, and the next battle over who gets to decide how you live on your own land is being fought right now, not in some county courthouse you’ll never hear about, but in the headlines.
Living Off the Grid Is Illegal in Many Areas of the United States
Throughout the United States, government agencies have formed so-called “nuisance abatement teams” designed to intimidate and force off-grid homeowners into giving up their land or abandoning their lifestyle. Believe it or not, people are actually being fined and jailed for choosing to live an off-grid existence.
From Costilla County, Colorado trying to ban people from building off-grid homes or camping on their own land, to the federal government actually trying to make it illegal to live in a tiny house or off-the-grid RV, there are a growing number of agencies trying to regulate this lifestyle out of existence.
While the mainstream media continues to mostly ignore the problem, a handful of independent media outlets and a few stubborn reporters have taken notice. Here’s the record, case by case — the old ones that started it, and the new ones that prove nothing’s slowed down.
Off-Grid Homeowners Intimidated Into Hooking Back Into the Grid
There are literally thousands of examples of people who have been harassed, threatened, fined, and jailed for going off the grid. Here are the cases that matter.
The Deserts of Los Angeles County, California
The deserts of Los Angeles County, California used to be a sort of mecca for those looking to live a more self-reliant lifestyle. But just like so many areas of the country, these off-grid residents have been targeted, arrested, and intimidated into hooking back into the grid.
A few years back, Reason Magazine took a film crew out to one of these secluded desert towns in California and filmed the off-grid residents there. From being threatened with jail time if they didn’t hook back into the grid, to actually being thrown in jail because the county didn’t like the look of their homes or land, the people in the deserts of L.A. County have been terrorized by their own local government.
Instituted in 2006 by Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich, the L.A. Board of Supervisors’ Nuisance Abatement Teams have been targeting and jailing residents for victimless misdemeanors and code violations ever since. Code enforcement teams have hit unincorporated areas of L.A. County hard, and local off-gridders are still living without certainty about what the future holds. Residents are scared they may lose not only their homes, but their freedom as well.
The Case of Robin Speronis in Cape Coral, Florida
Robin Speronis tried to go off the grid in Cape Coral, Florida. She disconnected from the city’s water, sewer, and electrical systems, relying instead on solar power and harvested rainwater. The city cited her for violating the International Property Maintenance Code, and a code enforcement officer eventually declared her home “unfit for human habitation” — going so far as to warn that even entering the property would constitute trespassing.
Her case went in front of Special Magistrate Harold Eskin in early 2014. The ruling split the difference in a way that still tells you everything you need to know about how these fights actually go: Eskin ruled Speronis could legally live without being hooked up to electrical power, but that she was still required to connect to the city’s water system — whether she used the water or not. Her solar setup would also need city approval. Speronis was given until March 18, 2014 to comply or face $50-a-day fines.
She didn’t comply. She appealed instead, with help from The Rutherford Institute, arguing that property owners retain a basic measure of sovereignty over what happens on their own land. By later that year, her case file listed 48 separate code violations, she’d racked up nearly $13,000 in combined water, sewer, and code enforcement liens, and the city had pulled her certificate of occupancy entirely — meaning that, legally, she could no longer be in her own house. Speronis kept fighting anyway, and her case became one of the most cited examples in the entire off-grid legal fight, cropping up in homesteading forums and prepper circles for years afterward.
Veteran Who Fought for Our Country, Thrown in Jail for Living “Off the Grid”
In November 2016, Tyler Truitt — a Marine Corps veteran who’d gone on to work at Redstone Arsenal — was thrown in jail for violating a city zoning ordinance in Huntsville, Alabama.
“We live out here off the grid, 100 percent self-sustaining,” Truitt said at the time. “I basically made all my utilities: I have my solar panels, I have my rainwater collection and stuff. I took an oath that I would support and defend the constitution and the freedoms that entails, and I really feel like those are being trampled upon.”
The city gave Truitt and his girlfriend until June 1 to bring their trailer up to code. They refused, and instead filed a civil suit against the city, challenging the ordinances directly. “We’ve yet to have any of those arguments be heard in court, so that’s what we’re trying to do with the civil suit,” Truitt told reporters. “How much is this fight worth to them? I know what it means to me. It’s my home, it’s everything, and I’m not moving the house.”
City officials didn’t budge either. “The purpose behind these requirements is public safety,” said Kelly Schrimsher, communications director for Huntsville’s mayor. “This includes ensuring that occupants of a residential dwelling have safe, potable, running water and electricity, particularly in the wintertime.”
Here’s the update nobody likes to print: Truitt lost. A judge ultimately ruled that he did not have the right to live off the grid on his own land, and Truitt was given just 14 days to either move his home or face further legal action from the city. It’s one of the clearest, most direct court rulings on record stating, in plain terms, that off-grid living can be deemed illegal — not because of safety violations on the ground, but because a permanent off-grid setup didn’t satisfy the city’s definition of a “permanent” utility source.
“We live out here off the grid, 100 percent self-sustaining,” Truitt said. “So I basically made all my utilities: I have my solar panels, I have my rainwater collection and stuff. ” took an oath that I would support and defend the constitution and the freedoms that entails, and I really feel like those are being trampled upon.”
Is It Really Your Land? According to Most Zoning Officials, You Need to Follow Their Rules
On top of using size restrictions to limit what off-grid homeowners can live in, towns throughout the U.S. also target mobile homes directly. In many areas, houses are required to be built on a permanent foundation and hooked up to public utilities before they’re considered legal dwellings at all.
Unfortunately, that piece of freedom you thought you bought might not be so free. If your land isn’t zoned for recreational vehicle living, off-grid living, or camping, you may be in for some serious trouble — and as the cases below show, that trouble didn’t stay in small rural counties. It’s gone fully mainstream.
2025–2026 Update: The Fight Has Moved to the Cities
For most of this article’s history, the off-grid fight played out in rural counties — places like Costilla County, Colorado, or unincorporated stretches of the California desert, where a handful of homesteaders squared off against a small zoning office nobody outside the county had heard of. That’s no longer where the biggest battles are happening.
San Francisco Bans Long-Term RV Living Citywide
In 2025, San Francisco passed sweeping legislation banning long-term RV living across the entire city. Under the new rules, any vehicle longer than 22 feet or taller than 7 feet is now restricted from parking in any one spot for more than two hours, citywide. RV dwellers who had already registered with the city as of May 2025 were given a narrow exemption — but only if they agreed to accept city housing assistance and give up their RV when their turn came.
Mayor Daniel Lurie set aside $13 million over two fiscal years for housing subsidies, outreach, enforcement, and a vehicle buyback program that pays RV owners $175 per foot to surrender their rigs. “This legislation combines compassion with accountability,” Lurie said when introducing the measure.
For the families actually living it, “compassion” looked like something else. Residents on Winston Drive near Lake Merced — many of them working immigrant families with children, using their RVs as the only housing they could afford in one of the most expensive cities in the country — described the rollout as a mass eviction. “Sweeps are not only a means to displace people from a sidewalk, it is a means to break down communities and break down political power,” one community organizer told reporters. One mother, who’d built a fragile routine of stability for her kids, put it simply: “You adapt to a place. We’ve already adapted to the calmness here. So going to a different place is difficult because you’re not sure if you can trust it.”
This isn’t a fringe case in a desert town anymore. This is the policy of one of the largest cities in America.
California Passes a Law Letting Counties Seize Your RV
It gets worse. In late 2025, California passed Assembly Bill 630, authored by Assemblymember Mark Gonzalez, which authorizes Los Angeles and Alameda counties to run a pilot program — active from January 2026 through January 2030 — that lets the counties “streamline the removal” of RVs deemed inoperable or abandoned, so long as the vehicle is valued at $4,000 or less.
Here’s the part that should bother anyone who’s ever lived in a vehicle by choice or necessity: the law applies even if someone is currently living in that RV. Advocates for unhoused and vehicle-dwelling residents warn the law will make life even more unstable for the people who depend on these vehicles as shelter, since once a county seizes and tows a unit, the owner frequently can’t pay the storage and towing fees required to get it back — and they’re left with nothing.
Not Every County Is Going the Same Direction — Nevada County, California
It’s worth being straight with you: not every local government is moving to crush off-grid and alternative living. Nevada County, California — where living in an RV has technically been illegal for years, despite an estimated 1,000-plus residents reportedly doing it anyway, quietly, under the radar — spent 2025 debating an ordinance that would do the opposite of San Francisco’s approach and legalize RV living on private property.
“What people don’t realize is that people are already doing it,” said longtime resident and advocate Tom Durkin, who has lived in a trailer on a friend’s property since 2018. “We tend to be very discreet because we’re paranoid, ya know, don’t want to get reported.” Durkin has spent more than six years pushing the county to recognize alternative housing as legitimate. “I’ve got excellent credit, no criminal history, I’m well educated, and I couldn’t find a place to live,” he said.
A county survey found 72 percent of respondents favored the new ordinance, and by September 2025 the county had received roughly 1,900 public comments on the draft — one of the largest public responses county staff say they’ve ever seen on a single proposal. The Board of Supervisors held three public hearings throughout 2025 before bringing the ordinance to a final vote, and it passed by a narrow 3–2 margin. It’s a real exception to the trend, and proof that this fight isn’t lost everywhere — but it took years of organizing by residents who, frankly, shouldn’t have had to fight for the right to live quietly on land they already had access to.
The Pattern Holds: Regulation by Attrition
What ties Cape Coral, Huntsville, Costilla County, and San Francisco together isn’t a single law. It’s a strategy. Few of these jurisdictions pass a law that says “off-grid living is illegal” outright — that would be too obvious, and too easy to fight in court. Instead, they regulate the specific pieces that make off-grid living possible: water hookups, RV parking duration, minimum dwelling sizes, “permanent” power source requirements, certificate-of-occupancy rules that quietly demand utility connections. Stack enough of those requirements on top of each other, and off-grid living becomes illegal in practice without ever being illegal on paper.
That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s just how these ordinances are written, case after case, decade after decade — and it’s exactly why this fight keeps resurfacing in new cities under new names, even after the old fights are forgotten.
Where Things Actually Stand If You’re Thinking About Going Off-Grid
To be fair to the other side of this for a second: off-grid living is not, technically, illegal in any of the 50 states. What trips people up — Speronis, Truitt, the residents of Costilla County, the families on Winston Drive — is never the broad concept of self-sufficiency. It’s the local, granular stuff: water rights, septic permitting, RV occupancy duration limits, certificate-of-occupancy requirements, and “permanent dwelling” definitions that vary wildly from one county line to the next.
A few things are worth knowing if you’re seriously considering this lifestyle in 2026:
Zoning is everything. Many counties — especially in states like Missouri, Montana, and parts of Tennessee — still have no zoning ordinance at all, or only loose agricultural zoning that doesn’t restrict how you power or plumb your home. Other counties, even in off-grid-friendly states, enforce code as aggressively as any city. You have to check county by county, not just state by state.
RV and tiny-house living occupies a legal gray zone almost everywhere. Whether a structure counts as a legal dwelling, a recreational vehicle, or an illegal accessory structure depends on foundation type, square footage, and local adoption of building code provisions like IRC Appendix Q — and that adoption is inconsistent even within a single state.
Certificate-of-occupancy rules are the quiet killer. Even in areas with lax zoning, getting a legal C of O often requires connection to municipal water, sewer, or electric — which defeats the purpose for a lot of people trying to go off-grid in the first place.
Federal incentives have actually expanded. The extended Inflation Reduction Act credits still offer a 30 percent tax credit on solar, battery storage, and qualifying off-grid water systems, even as local enforcement has tightened in places like San Francisco. It’s a strange split-screen: federal policy nudging people toward energy independence while local code enforcement teams push the other direction.
It’s a sad day when living on your own land becomes a crime. Please spread the word, because these cases aren’t slowing down — they’re spreading to bigger cities, bigger budgets, and bigger headlines.
I feel the same as all of you. i want to live off the grid. i do not see how voting is doing us any good here. they elect who they want an our votes no longer count. i was thinking why couldn’t we all live like the Amish do . i am not Amish but there way of life seems pretty laid back an off the grid to me … just some of my thoughts about this , how if anyone was interested could we go about doing this ??
This is more bullying from the FEDS. Think WACO and Ruby Ridge. I think they are testing the waters to see how far they can push us. They sure don’t want anybody independent of the government. They are usurping their authority everywhere. They have arrested people in Utah for having artifacts, even though it is not illegal if they are taken off of private land. But they don’t seem to care about legal or “Constitutional” anymore. I sure hope Ron Paul gets in, he is the only candidate who upholds the Constitution unswervingly. We must stand together or be torn apart!
What’s somewhat astonishing in our area of Hawaii is that those who years ago chose to live off the grid are now demanding that we, the “grid community”, build, clean and maintain bathroom facilities for those off the grid!!
or afford a top notch lawyer.
Or a really big privacy fence.
why they would just come in and tear the fence down and say they are terrorists.
Put a 25 foot 10 feet deep moat around the fence, then sit in your tower up on the hill with a rifle and dare them to try.
What the companies will do for their God Money.They should be ashamed of themselves for being so greedy.If there are petitions out there let me know I will post links so people can sign them.We have to put the Big Shot Government officials in their proper places.Jean-Paul Lefaivre
The ULTIMATE solution: TAKE BACK YOUR STATUS as FREE men and women! STOP being a voluntary SERVANT U.S. citizen! That is where all their control comes from! If we all check out of SERVITUDE, and LEARN how to live as REaL men and women, then their control would be ABOLISHED! It’s all about being a NATIONAL at the very least. Get Johnny Liberty’s e-book and read about CHANGING your STATUS! Also, read up on the EXECUTOR status; it is the highest office in commerce that takes away their power as illegitimate ‘agent’ controlling YOUR EStATE because you are LOsT at SEA, and presumed DEaD! This is why they run over us like they do! We do not know who we are! KNOW THYSELF MAN!!!!
There was a comment from a guy looking to do container homes in i think it was india or somewhere abroad and was looking for information but his comment is no longer in the comments. can anyone tell me why his comment is no longer in here. his id name was abs1968@yahoo or Ashish Bhasin. I am just wondering if there is a reason he is no longer in here if he might be what you would consider bad company. Thanks
Well we all know what this is all leading to don’t we. One world goverment, enforced by UN soldiers. As was once said “I know what course others may take but for me “give me liberty or give me death””. If you don’t want to fight for your freedom or liberty then have a nice life at your local “Family Relocation Center”. As for me and mine we have enough stored food for 2 years. Lots of firearms and the where with all to use them. about 2 million rounds of ammo and the ability to reload a bunch more. Land waaaaaay of the grid. With water and decent soil. If they come for me it had better be a high altitude airstrike.
Amen brother, I have 3 separate totally off grid locations in 3 states.No, I don’t even need gasoline, I have a truck that runs off of wood gas and I heat and cook with methane from my black water tanks, my fridge even runs on methane. The government does not need their nose that far up our rear ends.
Can they get land patents?
Why, these people already own their land. A land patent is for staking claim of ownership of public land which has had a moratorium on it since 1984.
This is really not surprising. Most issues facing off grid dwellers are usually newer residents who regard the independent folks as backward suspicious and fringe. Therefore also have greater sway in voting in local governmental clerks, health,building and other. Various agents of power tend to use all manner of code violations in order to force out the off gridders in the name of greater community benifits.
Far easier to concoct scheme of code violator and threaten individual with jail or unreasonal fine and forfeiture than respecting their rights. Unfortunately this seem to be played out all across the country and there is very little the courts are willing to do about it since the courts are not about constitutional garantees anymore.
this is the scariest video i have ever seen. they’ve gone on done it now. they said the forbidden 9 words. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’by Ronald Reagan.
if what this guy says is true than at least 50 million Americans are going to die. god help us all
This is Obama’s socialist participation in the un-Constitutional Agenda 21 program. The only reason he hasn’t been assassinated already is because Biden is even worse than he is.
Must read Agenda 21 to understand what is happening
hey I was wondering I am currently in school now to be a nurse. my goal is to graduate and move off the grid with the skills I have aquired to help take care of people. I am a novice seeker of off the grid info and most websites funny enough are just trying to get me to buy more shit under the veil of “off the grid information”. I really want to pursue this but as I have no land and little money how can I realize this goal. Any help here would be greatly appreciated i.e. legit websites info etc. thanks P.S. I really want to find some sort of co-op as I enjoy the company of others and would not want to be an isolationist.
Justin (the nursing student),
Couple of things come to mind. You may want to check into the Peace Corps as they do have opportunities like what you are seeking though you may have to request off the grid conditions should you attempt to apply. It’s also competitive, but it’s one option for you to look into. Other than that if you’re in school you have time to look around. The only trouble I foresee is how much of your time do you want to spend nursing. In some places that may be all you do, but it requires going where need is constant. However, if you don’t mind only nursing when it’s needed then your options maybe a little more open. i.e. a off the grid community or those looking to build a off the grid community that may need your nursing services only occasionally.
Couple other things came to mind. You might be able to offer your services to expeditions though expeditions are more like camping than off the grid. Also, similar to the Peace Corps you may be able to arrange a deal with various remote/off the grid locations to visit and live long enough to do whatever nursing is needed then move on to the next location. So, guess you should also consider rather you want a permanent or temporary location. Wish you luck, and I think you’ll probably be able to find what you’re looking for so long as it’s something you truly want. Just keep pursuing it.
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After watching the movie Garbage Warrior, the doc on the earthships, it makes you wonder how government gets anything done.
why dont you look at the violations the people that run this have in there home. bet they cant win em all
So where are the people’s RIGHT’S ? How is this the legal ?
Most likely they want them moved off the land so corporations can build mega shopping centers. The best way to avoid this from happening is to let the utilities put in the electric pole. The land owner can still live without electric. Just unplug and don’t use it. That’s the way to skin the cat to keep it off your back…!!!
NOT so fast spanky! They will charge you a base fee for hooking up and a base monthly fee even if you “unplug”. they got ya
They will also charge you for bringing the electricity from wherever it is to your property and to your house. This can be very expensive.
You are so spot on. I couldn’t say it better myself. It’s refreshing to know there are real human beings left.
Thank you.
You are so spot on. I couldn’t say it better myself. It’s refreshing to know there are real human beings left.
Thank you.
Obviously, the “reply” option does not do what it’s supposed to do. My reply was for “Enter your name” My point is, forget about laws and what
local/ state government says. Its about being human. What happened to understanding and helping our fellow man?
Just “live and let live” Something government doesn’t understand.They put us 16 trillion in debt. Now put that against this topic.
Illinois allows rain barrels , the water dept was selling them.
You are given a tax credit for solar power and wind energy and any extra the electric company must pay you what they would charge you .
If your home is outside the city limits they came come with a well & septic system.
So I just don’t get these states charging for rain water , telling you that must use their power system , sounds like China or Russia back in the day
There’s more than one way to skin the cat. The land owners can let the utilities install the electric pole. Then they can pull the plug when the utility trucks leave. A simple way to get the cat off their back and still live the way they want…!!!
this would not work here. our electric company charges $39 a month to have a meter, even if you don’t use any power. If you have them pull the meter (to stop the $39 charge) they would report you to the zoning admin, as living without utilities.
Just don’t pay the bill. They will shut you off and that’s the end of it.
Im in support of people that want to live off their land. Im also a Republican business owner. I like to find balance and see things from both sides. The problem is, a lot of people think/say they “just want to be left alone and live how they want”. Im all for it. But that should mean REALLY living off the grid. That means fighting your own fires and policing your own property. You cant say you dont want to be bound by building codes, yet expect emergency responders to risk their lives to save your “off grid” property. Most of these set-up lack sufficient Fire surpression, water pressure, etc needed to fight fires and other disasters. Id like to see situations where certain áreas are designated for off grid áreas with volunteer emergency responders and such.
Those services are paid for by property taxes. The choice to live off-grid doesn’t eliminate the county’s responsibility to provide those services to land-owners. If it did, then, those land-owners shouldn’t have to pay property taxes.
Exactly.
No offense but I have not heard of ONE case where people living off the grid wanted nor needed police and business type hospitals. Theyre very happy policing their lands lol and if there’s a broken bone they HAVE to go to a hospital then they drive themselves. Most hospitals take cash for broken bones so it’s not like a “grid” thing. Is more of a public duty and service they provide.
A lot of off the grid people work… And pay taxes that way too. They are still a citizen. So all welfare people shouldn’t be able to use any other government services either?
If anything, the government should be thanking them for going green and helping to reach the environmental goals America has proclaimed for itself with the Kyoto Protocol.
Australia sends off the grid people checks in gratitude for helping the environment.
This is just America doing what it always does, saying one thing, while doing absolutely anything to nickle and dime us.
Oh dammit I didn’t mean Kyoto Protocol
That’s Japans
America’s is called Climate Acton plan.
Either way lol they still need to quit being so contradicting.
daniel 2:44 in any bible teaches that all gov’s of this world will be destroyed by our creators new gov. that will last forever.
the ancient hebrews lived off their land with no pesticides or chemicals for thousands of years and were healthy and the enviroment stayed clean.
now the greedy gov’s and corporations take and destroy lives and the land for money,which was never part of our creators(yawaw)plan. MONEY WAS NEVER TO BE PART OF LIFE!
let yawaw be the judge and as his word teaches,he will destroy anyone that is part of the world.
have you realized yet that they DON’T ?
with stupid people out there blaming government for everything it is a wonder that we have a government at all and our country isn’t run by a corporation.just remember corporations care about profits not people . there just sucking the government in to there way of thinking.
+mark
Our Government is ran by corperations.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozled has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
SO STOP B I T C H I N ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!
just what can poor people do get a lawyer , can;t get one no money ,
I think one of the biggest problems all people face is people believing so strongly on any particular issue that believing and/or living any other way but their way is unacceptable to them, and people who think that way believing they have to do something about it rather than just living their lives the way they want. Live and let live and individualism seem to be ideas many people cannot accept. However, it is my belief until individualism and live and let live become dominant ideologies, perhaps even the foundation of law, then nobody will ever be truly free because someone else will always be trying persuade, force and/or otherwise make their beliefs and ideologies dominant and superior to those of another.
Naive. Freedom is a relative term.
really? to say its relative is nihilistic. perception is the only thing that is relative. freedom in a societal context is being able to exist without the imposition of anothers will. Imposition of anything upon anyone instantly nullifies freedom.
try reading a book sometime
This really strange, the video. I live in Lincoln NE and here we have a city/Fed Gov project called Antelope Creek project. The city uses eminant domain to get business’s and home owners to move. Expensive project, and on this newly aquired land, city park, multi-story insurance building and parking garage. Privately owned buildings torn down and replaced with city parking garages, hotel/apts. No votes, no city counsel approval, just said and done by a few individuals. Something is rotten here and may out in the desert too!
I’m all for an Occupy your own land movement which
would include, the right to camp there, have a trailer, live in a cardboard box and be buried there. As long as what a person does, does not create a safety hazard to their neighbor then they should have a right to do so on their own land.
I agree, for freedoms sake, but especially now, given all the financial problems, homelessness, etc., In my area of the NW, white people homesteaded Indian land in 1910, so our history here is not that long. From then until the 1970s, rural folks could build what they needed to in order to survive. If you didn’t do that, you were considered a loser.
That’s part of the problem, they want to do it on ANY land, but mostly on Federal Land, where they think that they have the right to cut out a little piece for their own, then protect it from trespassers like they own it. Freedom is not just for the disenfranchised. No one ever gave me public land; even after Serving 26 years in S.F.Group 6, and killing and watching my American Brothers being killed, blown up, losing limbs, going blind, and sacrificing lives so people at home could use Bit coins, monopoly money,r whatever they use. Come sere a year in a third world country or an old
Testament Muslim region, or a country where 3&4 year old girls are “circumcised” and married off at the age of ten. America has many problems, but we are light years ahead of 95% of other countries. If you have running water, a toilet, a roof that don’t leak, the ability to eat more than once every other day. And a Government that has ran pretty good for decades. You are living in a Paradise!!! When tens of thousands of immigrants attempt to make it to OUR country we must be doing pretty well. Not too many folks trying to sneak into Russia…even now…or Mexico..or anywhere in the middle East, or most European countries, have even a few fraction of Human rights we enjoy, So, don’t let the U.S.Flag Hit you in the ass on the way out.
David, relax. When you were a really stupid young guy, you wanted to fight. Your dumb head thought you could marry your aggression to some bullshit concept that you could shoot people without consequence because you were defending freedom. If you don’t go over to these ridiculous countries on your capitalistic masters orders to subdue their idiot country so we can make it a Haliburton outpost or mine their resources for free, these 3rd world people’s affairs wouldn’t bother you. Again, you and you’re brothers were young and wanted to fight, well…you got more than you bargained for. If you lost skirmishes, it’s because of your sin. You didn’t belong there, no matter what your little fucking pea brain tried to tell yourself. You meddled in another country, jacked up on brotherhood and valor. Concepts they use to motivate stupid gullible young men. To your superiors masters, it’s just business. We were initially talking about federal land and trespassing, you are trespasser, whether they are raping little girls or not. Your 2nd grade viewpoint of spiritual law doesn’t hold. You were a trespasser, and an aggressive one at that. You did your capitalistic masters bidding. Sin is what got your brothers blown up, or else a just God would have allowed not a bullet to hit your group. So shut your dopey face you self righteous fool. You signed up for it. If you question how there isn’t working toilets and blah blah in these countries, it hasn’t dawned on you the strange amount of coincidences and level of organization that was required for some yo-yo’s with boxcutters to crash planes into the towers? Are you that stupid? People shit on the beach in other countries, you are telling me they have the sophistication to pull that off? The military-industrial machine loves guys like you right up to the point where they don’t need you anymore. Notice how this country treats vets? There’s your answer. You should have been a fireman and stopped screwing around in hellish countries where you didn’t belong. Now you are a bitter patriot rambling on from your place in the government’s dumpster. By the way, you speak of immigrants coming here. Yes. Because the baby boomers are old now, and you need a fresh populous of really really stupid people to plug into the economy. People who don’t mind cleaning toilets and giving fake flu shots and getting taxed and shopping at Walmart. Older people start to figure out they have been screwed, so the elite just allow new dummies to immigrate. Show me an ex-pat and I will show you an intelligent person who saw the writing on the wall. Be a man, admit you got screwed, your buddies got screwed, and stop this flag banter, it doesn’t mean anything and you know it, the elite laugh at your blind obedience and righteous rancor. It’s called social engineering. There is no “good” team, just you. Go ahead, you are so dumb you will invalidate my comment because my tag name is flat bread wino right? Yup, I can’t be right. Sorry, I am remiss, you are right, keep being yourself. How’s that working out for ya?
I feel bad for these guys because they have been there for so long and are now getting harassed. But for all you new off the grid people, keep this in mind when buying your property keep out of Blue Democrat states they like to regulate and control you and your property. Republican states are a lot friendlier to off the grid living.
Have you been to Florida? ????
Texas is a republican state and they banned off the grid living.
The democratic and republican parties are the same evil. They use these divisions to divide and conquer the people. Only when we unite against tyranny can we be free.
Americans will never unite in any meaningful fashion. As long as they can get their morning cup of coffee and watch their favorite TV shows, they couldn’t care less what happens to their neighbors. If it ain’t in their back yard, they don’t care. Besides, most people are too lazy to live off-grid. Many just cannot envision the long-term benefits because they are too short-sighted. I’m glad that the government is bullying people off their land and into submission. That’s the way it should be. Only the strong should survive. Obviously, most Americans are satisfied with (or, just don’t care about) such behavior from their government. If they weren’t satisfied (or, they did care), it would stop. But, let’s get real: it won’t stop until the problem has reached critical mass. Only then will you see change.
You, I like you. I agree whole heartedly, however, most people don’t care about any of this as long as there is food on the table and some sort of meager paycheck every couple of weeks, they wont rock the boat. I think the majority of people are to lazy to live off the grid and don’t care about the the government or corporations intimidating people. I would FUCKING LOVE to see people take to the streets, but that XBOX aint gonna play itself!
We are all sheep. No one likes to hear it but we are, we need to be led by something (religion, media, money ect) shit I’m a sheep to this dispute, if there wasn’t a conflict happening I could get myself involved in, I’d just be looking for the next thing to be led by.