Depending on where you live, and exactly what you decide to live in, the answer could be yes. A growing number of city and county zoning agencies around the world are implementing ordinances to crack down on off-grid living, and in case after case, they’re making it a crime.
We’ve been covering this fight for over a decade now. From targeting self-reliant homeowners with antiquated zoning laws to forming special code enforcement squads designed to force people back onto the grid, there is a war against self-reliance going on in this country — and depending on the zip code, the government is winning.
What’s changed since we first started writing about this isn’t the war itself. It’s the scale of it. The cases below start with the ones that put this issue on the map. Then we bring you current — because in the last two years alone, this fight has spread from rural homesteads to entire city blocks, and the next battle over who gets to decide how you live on your own land is being fought right now, not in some county courthouse you’ll never hear about, but in the headlines.
Living Off the Grid Is Illegal in Many Areas of the United States
Throughout the United States, government agencies have formed so-called “nuisance abatement teams” designed to intimidate and force off-grid homeowners into giving up their land or abandoning their lifestyle. Believe it or not, people are actually being fined and jailed for choosing to live an off-grid existence.
From Costilla County, Colorado trying to ban people from building off-grid homes or camping on their own land, to the federal government actually trying to make it illegal to live in a tiny house or off-the-grid RV, there are a growing number of agencies trying to regulate this lifestyle out of existence.
While the mainstream media continues to mostly ignore the problem, a handful of independent media outlets and a few stubborn reporters have taken notice. Here’s the record, case by case — the old ones that started it, and the new ones that prove nothing’s slowed down.
Off-Grid Homeowners Intimidated Into Hooking Back Into the Grid
There are literally thousands of examples of people who have been harassed, threatened, fined, and jailed for going off the grid. Here are the cases that matter.
The Deserts of Los Angeles County, California
The deserts of Los Angeles County, California used to be a sort of mecca for those looking to live a more self-reliant lifestyle. But just like so many areas of the country, these off-grid residents have been targeted, arrested, and intimidated into hooking back into the grid.
A few years back, Reason Magazine took a film crew out to one of these secluded desert towns in California and filmed the off-grid residents there. From being threatened with jail time if they didn’t hook back into the grid, to actually being thrown in jail because the county didn’t like the look of their homes or land, the people in the deserts of L.A. County have been terrorized by their own local government.
Instituted in 2006 by Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich, the L.A. Board of Supervisors’ Nuisance Abatement Teams have been targeting and jailing residents for victimless misdemeanors and code violations ever since. Code enforcement teams have hit unincorporated areas of L.A. County hard, and local off-gridders are still living without certainty about what the future holds. Residents are scared they may lose not only their homes, but their freedom as well.
The Case of Robin Speronis in Cape Coral, Florida
Robin Speronis tried to go off the grid in Cape Coral, Florida. She disconnected from the city’s water, sewer, and electrical systems, relying instead on solar power and harvested rainwater. The city cited her for violating the International Property Maintenance Code, and a code enforcement officer eventually declared her home “unfit for human habitation” — going so far as to warn that even entering the property would constitute trespassing.
Her case went in front of Special Magistrate Harold Eskin in early 2014. The ruling split the difference in a way that still tells you everything you need to know about how these fights actually go: Eskin ruled Speronis could legally live without being hooked up to electrical power, but that she was still required to connect to the city’s water system — whether she used the water or not. Her solar setup would also need city approval. Speronis was given until March 18, 2014 to comply or face $50-a-day fines.
She didn’t comply. She appealed instead, with help from The Rutherford Institute, arguing that property owners retain a basic measure of sovereignty over what happens on their own land. By later that year, her case file listed 48 separate code violations, she’d racked up nearly $13,000 in combined water, sewer, and code enforcement liens, and the city had pulled her certificate of occupancy entirely — meaning that, legally, she could no longer be in her own house. Speronis kept fighting anyway, and her case became one of the most cited examples in the entire off-grid legal fight, cropping up in homesteading forums and prepper circles for years afterward.
Veteran Who Fought for Our Country, Thrown in Jail for Living “Off the Grid”
In November 2016, Tyler Truitt — a Marine Corps veteran who’d gone on to work at Redstone Arsenal — was thrown in jail for violating a city zoning ordinance in Huntsville, Alabama.
“We live out here off the grid, 100 percent self-sustaining,” Truitt said at the time. “I basically made all my utilities: I have my solar panels, I have my rainwater collection and stuff. I took an oath that I would support and defend the constitution and the freedoms that entails, and I really feel like those are being trampled upon.”
The city gave Truitt and his girlfriend until June 1 to bring their trailer up to code. They refused, and instead filed a civil suit against the city, challenging the ordinances directly. “We’ve yet to have any of those arguments be heard in court, so that’s what we’re trying to do with the civil suit,” Truitt told reporters. “How much is this fight worth to them? I know what it means to me. It’s my home, it’s everything, and I’m not moving the house.”
City officials didn’t budge either. “The purpose behind these requirements is public safety,” said Kelly Schrimsher, communications director for Huntsville’s mayor. “This includes ensuring that occupants of a residential dwelling have safe, potable, running water and electricity, particularly in the wintertime.”
Here’s the update nobody likes to print: Truitt lost. A judge ultimately ruled that he did not have the right to live off the grid on his own land, and Truitt was given just 14 days to either move his home or face further legal action from the city. It’s one of the clearest, most direct court rulings on record stating, in plain terms, that off-grid living can be deemed illegal — not because of safety violations on the ground, but because a permanent off-grid setup didn’t satisfy the city’s definition of a “permanent” utility source.
“We live out here off the grid, 100 percent self-sustaining,” Truitt said. “So I basically made all my utilities: I have my solar panels, I have my rainwater collection and stuff. ” took an oath that I would support and defend the constitution and the freedoms that entails, and I really feel like those are being trampled upon.”
Is It Really Your Land? According to Most Zoning Officials, You Need to Follow Their Rules
On top of using size restrictions to limit what off-grid homeowners can live in, towns throughout the U.S. also target mobile homes directly. In many areas, houses are required to be built on a permanent foundation and hooked up to public utilities before they’re considered legal dwellings at all.
Unfortunately, that piece of freedom you thought you bought might not be so free. If your land isn’t zoned for recreational vehicle living, off-grid living, or camping, you may be in for some serious trouble — and as the cases below show, that trouble didn’t stay in small rural counties. It’s gone fully mainstream.
2025–2026 Update: The Fight Has Moved to the Cities
For most of this article’s history, the off-grid fight played out in rural counties — places like Costilla County, Colorado, or unincorporated stretches of the California desert, where a handful of homesteaders squared off against a small zoning office nobody outside the county had heard of. That’s no longer where the biggest battles are happening.
San Francisco Bans Long-Term RV Living Citywide
In 2025, San Francisco passed sweeping legislation banning long-term RV living across the entire city. Under the new rules, any vehicle longer than 22 feet or taller than 7 feet is now restricted from parking in any one spot for more than two hours, citywide. RV dwellers who had already registered with the city as of May 2025 were given a narrow exemption — but only if they agreed to accept city housing assistance and give up their RV when their turn came.
Mayor Daniel Lurie set aside $13 million over two fiscal years for housing subsidies, outreach, enforcement, and a vehicle buyback program that pays RV owners $175 per foot to surrender their rigs. “This legislation combines compassion with accountability,” Lurie said when introducing the measure.
For the families actually living it, “compassion” looked like something else. Residents on Winston Drive near Lake Merced — many of them working immigrant families with children, using their RVs as the only housing they could afford in one of the most expensive cities in the country — described the rollout as a mass eviction. “Sweeps are not only a means to displace people from a sidewalk, it is a means to break down communities and break down political power,” one community organizer told reporters. One mother, who’d built a fragile routine of stability for her kids, put it simply: “You adapt to a place. We’ve already adapted to the calmness here. So going to a different place is difficult because you’re not sure if you can trust it.”
This isn’t a fringe case in a desert town anymore. This is the policy of one of the largest cities in America.
California Passes a Law Letting Counties Seize Your RV
It gets worse. In late 2025, California passed Assembly Bill 630, authored by Assemblymember Mark Gonzalez, which authorizes Los Angeles and Alameda counties to run a pilot program — active from January 2026 through January 2030 — that lets the counties “streamline the removal” of RVs deemed inoperable or abandoned, so long as the vehicle is valued at $4,000 or less.
Here’s the part that should bother anyone who’s ever lived in a vehicle by choice or necessity: the law applies even if someone is currently living in that RV. Advocates for unhoused and vehicle-dwelling residents warn the law will make life even more unstable for the people who depend on these vehicles as shelter, since once a county seizes and tows a unit, the owner frequently can’t pay the storage and towing fees required to get it back — and they’re left with nothing.
Not Every County Is Going the Same Direction — Nevada County, California
It’s worth being straight with you: not every local government is moving to crush off-grid and alternative living. Nevada County, California — where living in an RV has technically been illegal for years, despite an estimated 1,000-plus residents reportedly doing it anyway, quietly, under the radar — spent 2025 debating an ordinance that would do the opposite of San Francisco’s approach and legalize RV living on private property.
“What people don’t realize is that people are already doing it,” said longtime resident and advocate Tom Durkin, who has lived in a trailer on a friend’s property since 2018. “We tend to be very discreet because we’re paranoid, ya know, don’t want to get reported.” Durkin has spent more than six years pushing the county to recognize alternative housing as legitimate. “I’ve got excellent credit, no criminal history, I’m well educated, and I couldn’t find a place to live,” he said.
A county survey found 72 percent of respondents favored the new ordinance, and by September 2025 the county had received roughly 1,900 public comments on the draft — one of the largest public responses county staff say they’ve ever seen on a single proposal. The Board of Supervisors held three public hearings throughout 2025 before bringing the ordinance to a final vote, and it passed by a narrow 3–2 margin. It’s a real exception to the trend, and proof that this fight isn’t lost everywhere — but it took years of organizing by residents who, frankly, shouldn’t have had to fight for the right to live quietly on land they already had access to.
The Pattern Holds: Regulation by Attrition
What ties Cape Coral, Huntsville, Costilla County, and San Francisco together isn’t a single law. It’s a strategy. Few of these jurisdictions pass a law that says “off-grid living is illegal” outright — that would be too obvious, and too easy to fight in court. Instead, they regulate the specific pieces that make off-grid living possible: water hookups, RV parking duration, minimum dwelling sizes, “permanent” power source requirements, certificate-of-occupancy rules that quietly demand utility connections. Stack enough of those requirements on top of each other, and off-grid living becomes illegal in practice without ever being illegal on paper.
That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s just how these ordinances are written, case after case, decade after decade — and it’s exactly why this fight keeps resurfacing in new cities under new names, even after the old fights are forgotten.
Where Things Actually Stand If You’re Thinking About Going Off-Grid
To be fair to the other side of this for a second: off-grid living is not, technically, illegal in any of the 50 states. What trips people up — Speronis, Truitt, the residents of Costilla County, the families on Winston Drive — is never the broad concept of self-sufficiency. It’s the local, granular stuff: water rights, septic permitting, RV occupancy duration limits, certificate-of-occupancy requirements, and “permanent dwelling” definitions that vary wildly from one county line to the next.
A few things are worth knowing if you’re seriously considering this lifestyle in 2026:
Zoning is everything. Many counties — especially in states like Missouri, Montana, and parts of Tennessee — still have no zoning ordinance at all, or only loose agricultural zoning that doesn’t restrict how you power or plumb your home. Other counties, even in off-grid-friendly states, enforce code as aggressively as any city. You have to check county by county, not just state by state.
RV and tiny-house living occupies a legal gray zone almost everywhere. Whether a structure counts as a legal dwelling, a recreational vehicle, or an illegal accessory structure depends on foundation type, square footage, and local adoption of building code provisions like IRC Appendix Q — and that adoption is inconsistent even within a single state.
Certificate-of-occupancy rules are the quiet killer. Even in areas with lax zoning, getting a legal C of O often requires connection to municipal water, sewer, or electric — which defeats the purpose for a lot of people trying to go off-grid in the first place.
Federal incentives have actually expanded. The extended Inflation Reduction Act credits still offer a 30 percent tax credit on solar, battery storage, and qualifying off-grid water systems, even as local enforcement has tightened in places like San Francisco. It’s a strange split-screen: federal policy nudging people toward energy independence while local code enforcement teams push the other direction.
It’s a sad day when living on your own land becomes a crime. Please spread the word, because these cases aren’t slowing down — they’re spreading to bigger cities, bigger budgets, and bigger headlines.
This is why people know tax money is robbery. It’s taken by force and used against you.
Bureaucracy at work, California has the worst reputation for being high on property taxes. If you own land they’ll take that away from you.
How many of you have actually done anything in your own area to protect personal rights? Even the Tea Party people, such as in Illinois, freely voted against personal rights and then scratched their heads when you call them on it. Just this year the General Assembly voted near unanimously to eliminate several religious rights. They don’t even read the stuff they are voting on, but fear they won’t be re-elected for another term. That’s the kind of fortitude most of us seem to have. It’s like having two faces on the same talking head. One complains about the issue, the other explains why he couldn’t do anything about it. We have a lot of analyzers and commentators in America, but few doers. Get out there on the front lines and put your feet where your mouth wants us to think you are. Get active. Start writing challenges to what is wrong, get your voice in the press, show up at meetings, boo and cheer, wear a banner, make phone calls, write pamphlets, get in their faces, threaten to vote them out, campaign against them, hold their feet to the fire, and be willing to handle a few hundred defeats before you win a battle. A battle won is a Right protected. Don’t do like the talking heads in Illinois do. Be the person – in person – that you are here on this forum. Now let’s hear what you all have done to back your words. That’s America!
Land Patents … are you kidding? Many folks have lost their homes to that scam, going back to the beginning of the movement in the early 90s. A land patent ‘opens’ your land to the government. You need to ‘close’ the land, but the corporation does not acknowledge that either. They will take whatever they want. When you try any of these theories, you will lose, 99% of the time. I know two parties that gave up their land to ‘patent’ theory. One in Florida, one in Wisconsin. They lost it all. I think talktalktalk is right. You have to get in their faces and call them out in public as often as you can. Bad press for them is good press for your cause. And never send a toothless idiot to be your spokesperson or front man. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When you look like them, they will think that you think like them. Some of you would rather forsake a haircut and a shave in preference to losing your whole life’s work. One thing I noticed in the videos is that the enemy tries to demonize us by our apparent weaknesses. If your weakness is that you have little respect for yourself, then that will be your downfall, not your property. Your book is judged by its cover when on the bookshelf. After you are sure you can keep it, then you can spill all the coffee on it you want. Don’t expect respect if you don’t give any either. Sorry for that diversion, but what you see is what you get most the time.
End Days Watchman – I think your transmission is missing a gear. However, if you dump the Hollywood spin of your screenplay, there are some facts. I hope we can all see you at the next town meeting before Comet Hale-Bopp returns. Otherwise, get your radio a set of new batteries. It’s hard to pick you up.
The government has gone crazy and so has its officials.ha ha i think our country is going to the dogs.
So get involved in your government, while it is still a democracy.
If it is the corporate fascism you hate, you should be coming out against republicans.
But what you really care about is your religious bigotry,and right to discriminate, isn’t it?
These people whine about corporate power, while they want to vote for Libertarians and Republican Bigots who would enforce their religion on our personal lives, and deregulate corporate power?
Government is the only entity that can organize for the middle class and protect the people against the corporate and religious powers that are in opposition to the freedom of the people throughout history.
You idiots need to realize that, and quit letting republicans win.
Getting hot ?…..Uh oh…..I smell the burning flesh….and the knashing of teeth…”idiots” ?
LOL….only an idiot would reject God….but that excuse won’t do you a bit of good…better turn, before you burn!
How about some action? Give us a petition to sign or the names, emails and telephone numbers of county officials?
Future NATO-Bio Diversity zone?
Just to be a little objective here….
The documentary video’s constant usage of the word “Government”, as well as the statement that “Government Officials from Across the Country” are forming abatement teams and that living off the grid without government assistance is some sort of crime, is extremely misleading.
Los Angeles County is not the rest of the United States, nor does its laws and practices reflect what’s going on in the rest of the country, regardless of how Los Angelenos, or Californians for that matter perceive themselves.
It would have been more accurate to say “County Government Officials” or make the emphasis that this was a particular State and County issue than to use the word “Government” as a blanket statement.
Living off the grid without government assistance is by no means a crime in Arizona, and I’m more than confident that it’s not a crime in many other states.
Let’s remember that we’re talking about The People’s Republic of California here.
What else would you expect? It’s an entirely different world over there. Totally disconnected from the rest of the United States of America.
You want your freedom? Move the hell out of California.
I live in California…and what the hell do you mean…We have stiffer laws and more
not sure what he/she means but i’m guessing the nice person is talking about how California is an unconstitutional corrupt bureaucracy. sure the rest of america is but California is at the top of the unconstitutional corrupt bureaucratic as far as states go.
Is this not America,then this must mean that our forefathers were all criminals
Okay….wtf…seriously..WTF…this IS America. Our forefathers were brilliant. Isn’t apparant that most people today are stupid?…..Let me clear that up for you Michele…wtf!. Just sayin..
I live in a very small and very economically challenged town in the eastern part of the US…where two years ago I got a fine for $75 for having a MOP on my front porch. Yes, a mop. An armed code enforcement officer (“this is dangerous work, ma’am”) knocked on my door and told me that no sanitation equipment was allowed to be displayed. When I asked to see the law he told me I was welcome to go to city hall and ask to see it.
Although I fought this — and won — it didn’t stop them from trying to enforce all SORTS of weird laws they passed, including one that forbids the presence on your property of any plant that causes an odor or attracts any insects. In other words….mint plants, roses (dangerous for people in the yard, they attract lady bugs and have thorns), etc.
This last year they’ve laid off a bit, I suspect I wasn’t the only one who went nuts.
In the second Video it showed a letter of the LA County Department of Public works, Notice of Order. If Mr. Antonaviches Press Secretary says that they have had code violation complaints from Neighbors in the area it looks to me that all neibous where at attendance of the meeting they had, is this right? If so WHO WHERE THESE NEIGHBORS THAT WHERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS??? Did any one ask for posted or written letters of these neighbors, from the LA County Department of Public works or office of Mr. Antonovich or other agencies that made these allegations of neighborly complaints to please produce them!!! Also, Is there anyone living in the area that is not being harassed by the local County. Why is it that an elected County official does not have to answer to his own zoning laws that the County is contesting of these people?
Why do you not succeed and make it separate County and a Separate City that uses different private firms, consultants, organizations to go through the permit process.
That was tried numerous times during the eleven year span I lived In Quartz Hill Calfornia from 1980-1991 and was beaten down each time by the big money interests who were only interested in developing walled communities in the high desert after they had already built us a prison populated by LA city scum and then built government housing to bring up the rest of their familes, importing crime where there was none before. Antonivich was supervisor along with Baxter Ward. When Ward left office mad mike started his rampage.
this is total bullshit.
i don’t live off the grid but they should be able.
I find it interesting that the most liberal states are the most oppressive. CA should not be used as an example for the rest of us except to quickly realize we don’t want their liberal ideas in the rest of the country. Here in Texas – we’re proud of our independence and will fight to keep it. I know conservative people in liberal states, so my question is “Why can’t they turn things around?” If the liberal stranglehold is that strong (and it appears it is) it should send a very strong message to the rest of us to never, never vote liberal (and that can include both parties.)
Because, in my opinion, liberals are actually totalitarians. A traditional conservative is a true liberal, just like Ron Paul. I know these are only titles but that is the way I feel about it.
Mike in Boise brings up a great point with his “Federal Land Patent.” Works in Idaho! But, as with any great idea, there’s a downside. It probably will no work in Texas, or in most states east of the Mississippi.
Why? A Federal Land Patent can be gotten only where there is federal land. The Bureau of Land Management operates primarily in the West, because that’s where the majority of the “federally-owned” land is. That “federally-owned” land, by the way, does not include National Forests, National Parks, National Wild and Scenic Rivers, National Wildlife Refuges, Indian Reservations, etc.
I am writing from Texas. Texas is no a “public land” state. When Texas joined the Union, all the great Texas heroes divided the lands in Texas among themselves. These lands became “private land,” not “public land.” As a result, just about the only “federally-owned land” in Texas sits under U.S. Post Offices, etc. The Bureau of Land Management doesn’t operate in Texas, because there are no public lands to manage here. And as a result, I don’t think anyone could get a “Federal Land Patent” here.
Looking East, there just isn’t much public land east of the Mississippi. The original 13 colonies were primarily land grants from the King of England, which is about as private as private land can get. The problem with getting a “Federal Land Patent” is that the land under “your” property must have been federal land. ‘Tain’t so back East, or in Texas. “Patent,” by the way, is BLMese for “deed.”
If you’d like to figure out where BLM lands are in the West, just look where the population ISN’T. Or you could get a map from BLM for your Western state off the Internet.
There’s a possibility that what I just wrote is wrong — this whole post, possibly! But it was correct a couple decades ago, and I think it is still.
Heck, if there were federal lands in Texas, I wouldn’t have to buy a hunting lease from a local farmer!
Here’s a piece I found that might be of interest for those looking into this topic….. I know it peaked mine and is a very serious consideration :) Hope it helps! Many blessings from TN :)
they should band together and form their own county and petition the state to support their choice
This is bullshit. People need to know there rights and stand up to them. The gov’t doesn’t have that much pull over us. It’s WE THE PEOPLE not the GOV”T we need to stand up for what is ours.
I’d tear it down the day before they came for it. If they’re going to pull that crap, they’re not going to take it and then flip it after some common fix-ups.
There is one more thing to do, to take back the control from the government. STOP FED! STOP USING DOLLAR! And start using Bitcoins TODAY!!
Bitcoins bring the Off-The-Grid concept to our currency!! Gotcha?! ;)
Bitcoins ARE the grid, pal.
I think it’s a reference to that video game “Fallout” where the main means of currency in the post-apocalyptic game play is bottle caps.
people need to stop using money all together and start growing there own food period. Go right back to food bartering or trade goods …fuck money and the gov. U.S. makes me sick, freedom has become nothing more then an allusion and has been for many many years now
Real shit
would be nice to do what you say, but here lies the problem. Monsanto geo engineer the seeds that ADM (Archer Daniels Midland)has the monopoly! With Geo Engineering you can not grow a seed from a crop that has grown previously. In other words in days gone by if you grew Plum Trees you could take seeds from those Plums and grow another tree. Due to Geo Engineering that is know longer possible, which means you are dependent on them for your seeds and crops, MORE GOVERNMET CONTROL !!!!
I like your idea, !!!! It’s just really hard for me to get my 400 chickens to market when I need to trade for some potato’s and corn… Only if I had some paper to put that would be the same worth as my clucks.
Never was a fact just an illusion all along crazy how well It took….
Then LEAVE “United States of America”!Good luck and good riddance! People like you who “choose” to live in the USA, all awhile spending more of your time hating, complaining and being flat out miserable, than to focus on those things that give you joy, love, laughter…aka “happiness”! We are only given LIFE for a short while…why spend (waste) ANY of it miserable? Don’t like (or even hate), then CHANGE it. Otherwise, keep your negativity and HATE to yourself to drown in!
Totally agree with u. Ur not costing the government anything u would think they would be grateful but they want control on what u do .In the UK we have always had to ask the government if we can but excuse me they work for us not the other way round . Keep doing what u do .F*** them
Bitcoins, caps, it’s all money. We need to think further ahead. Money is a lazy way to establish and maintain order. If you want to make a difference, begin by banning any and all forms of money. Work purely on the basis of exchanging personal favors.
There’s an expression about making money work for you instead of you for it. People get rich that way but they also end up producing very little if anything of actual value.
Here’s an idea. If you cannot achieve the end rather than the means with your own personal hands then it’s not something you should do. Fix your friend’s roof in exchange for some carrots but don’t use ‘money’. Be it caps or anything else, the moment you do that you’ve already started to become part of the problem.
Great idea! More importantly, I think that we need to look at who we are electing and what their interests are. Once elected an official gains in power and uses it to gain more and most do not use that power to aid their constituents.
Money is just a tool for exchange. It isn’t bad. I’d advise you to check out Senor D’Anconia’s money speech from Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged.
Economically speaking there is a big difference between money and currency. Money is a median of exchange which has intrinsic value and acts as a store of value. Currency is a median of exchange whose value is not intrinsic but rather supported through force of government, as it has no intrinsic value it is generally not a good store of value.
Well, I like the thought but then people will buy ¨Carrots¨ from the store for people to do their dirty work for them like ill give u these carrots if you stack this wood on the back of my wagon for them to sell and make money.I see it as an infinite loop profit for others and not your self
Wanna know how? We take back the land. No one owns Gods earth but can maintain it and help it by living upon it. A portion of crops, services or product can go back to the community as a tax (but better) and all the rich mineral land such as creeks,caves etc should be maintained by all and owned by NO one. The people living in the cities can get help from farmers who choose to live rurally. Trades should be our commodity. Gold is for aliens and rulers.. they bred us into slavery,now we need to fight for our land back.
Bitcoins are the precursor to the One Number System. It Doesn’t take a financial mastermind to figure this one out; only spiritual slumbering. Don’t allow others to deceive you in this THINK about it, bitcoins don’t require any printing press, no ink, no paper, no stamp-plating; and identity theft is one of the most financially lucrative and most oft perpetrated crimes committed online today. The ONLY way to curtail this crime is by monitoring the account holder’s DNA and completely eliminating ALL non-virtual forms of currency Holy Bible believing Christian theologians and adherents of Christian scripture, who believe in the biblical eschatology refer to this DNA stamp encoding as receiving the “Mark of the Beast” For the Love of God and the Sake of Your Mortal Soul, WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!
Government is evil, but that has nothing to do with anything ‘mark of the beast’-related. The mark of the beast is mankind itself. YOU are a beast.
I want to know how many of you smart college grads know about the act of 1872? Stop telling me and everyone else the law and go FUCKING study your books.
sorry that’s the act of 1871.There is no national forests or parks. Just because some asshole in the white house sad so doesn’t make it so.
Wow!
Off grid living is an awesome concept, but claiming that a piece of federal land is any one persons home an living on that site for months, or years is something that a lot of us would love to do. But is still on public lands so my taxes, and everyone who is not living ‘off grid’is paying their rent. We do not have a “homesteading” act in this country anymore, and a majority of off griders seem to think that they have some right to keep people off “their” land when they have absolutely no right to claim it in the first place. Recently, in North Idaho in the Selway wilderness I was shot at by a pair of “off Griders” that claimed I was trespassing. This is an issue that the Government need to address because along with claiming land for themselves they hunt, fish, and build wherever and whatever they want. If only a few are getting away with it and then Network Television propagate it and glamorize it like they are, the numbers of off griddes “getting away from it all” is seen as a way to leave all responsibility behind and “live a dream” that for most ends up being a terrible mistake. So unless you own, or lease, or have permission to live in OUR national forests and Wilderness areas, get a job. Join the human race, and when you save enough money to legally own the property, get the hell out. You have a right to live in permitted areas for a set number of days, then you must move your camp site. But no one has the right to claim areas of Public lands as their personal property where they pay zero taxes, and impact eco systems, in a negative manner, and do more harm than good….good for them, bad for everyone else.
I think the main point is even if one owns the property government is getting involved and finding ways to make it difficult if not impossible to live on “our” land which we rightfully own and pay taxes on.
boy the world was created for us to live in. not pay to live on. dont be gulible. think outside th ebod. know thycellf
If it is Federal your correct, if it is property that I have bought then it is my choice weather or not I live off grid
Tell the homeless that! It’s so unfortunate but in many cities, the homeless have the right to place themselves and their trash/property, not pay taxes, get free food, poop and pee anywhere they want, but the taxpayer has to just put up with it. So: the taxpayer has to abide by rules while the homeless get off scott free! Hmmmmmmmm……anything wrong with that picture?
I hate to disagree with taxes pay for off grids rent due to most buy their land n pay land taxes but not for power systems water etc. I hadn’t full comment yet but I wanted to respond to that cimment alone due to the fact many people feel this is fact and it’s fiction in some cases.
The problem is we have been domesticated by the government. The government needs to be obliterated and reset. We need to go back to our roots.
I am a survivalist interested in trecking the appalachian trail…please contact me.
Jia, still looking to trek the appalachian trail?
Stay on the ” Long Trail ” in Vermont.
Vermont may be seceding from the Union soon.
Good Luck. Plenty of old apple orchards along the trail.
Please stay out of Vermont. I live here and want as few people here as possible when everything goes bad! ha ha
Vermont to succeed for the union would be like Washington D. C. to become a state. It will never happen and you know it. Even Texas with all it’s resource could not Survive long by itself in these modern times. The only way it would work as if everyone in the state in question dearly sacrificed to do it. I mean it would be very expensive to man an Army, Marines, Navy and Air force even if it could be done it would take years to arrange. I realize both state have ex military but that would not be enough and both states have federal lands and a lot of it. So what would the states do take it from the USA? I don’t think so! The U.S. goverment would sent in troops from other states just as Connecticut did in the late 1700’s by sending troops into PA to quail riots there. I think for many reasons it would be foolish to try now days. The best option is diplomatic and with the full support of our States population behind our Governors, Legislators. We have the power in our states to force the Governments hand we just need to state using it and take back our country before someone else takes it away from us with out a fight. George Washington said we should have a civil war every 10 yrs to keep the Government in check. All the President have warned us that this could happen but no one reads our history anymore. The Presidents power to Veto congress was a bad idea when Reagan asked for it and it still is with Obama and has been abused by every President since. We the people need to take back our country now! on the state level and then we need to do it on a federal level. We need to get back to a common sense nation and stop all this BS! We the people means all of us Black, White Hispanic, Filipino, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, African etc. we need to work together for the greater good of us all. No religion, no biases, no prejudices toward the LGBT communities of any kind. We are all in this together so it is time we work it out once and for all. I pray for that day. When we come back to being a Nation with integrity, and values other then drugs and video games and self indulgence.
Margaret G. is incorrect — Texas can at anytime and hopefully soon will be able to do so. As a republic — Texas has the option annually — it is just a matter of time
Paul, the Texas state constitution prohibits it from ceceiding, fyi.
I just recently purchased a building lot at a lake community. It’s gated, PA and all. Turns out, I have to have a building permit to even stay on the land. Then, it’s only for a weekend until my structures built. I plan on drawing up a plan for a home w basement. I figured I would winch my RV INTO the basement and go completely solar and self reliant on water and composite toilet system. Now, there is a neighbor to the lot. I don’t want them ratting on me to the codes enforcement dude and being homeless. In reality, that’s what I would have. I need to be there for a couple seasons to gather data on sun, soil, etc.. How can they damn me for staying on a lot I just paid for, if out of sight? Confusing.
Ever make it out to the Appalachian trail? I’m a survivalist to been looking for my next adventure lol.
I’m been living off the land now for several months.I’m living in a tent but not moving around. I live close to a clean running creek that flows to the river. All my resources are in walking distance. The only way I’m coming out is for TWRA to find me and put me in jail. Which would be pitiful.
Hey! Did you leave yet?
how long are you expected to venture out and is it total rustic, no cabins right? Just nylon tent between us and nature
hope u have not left yet
Jia I to am a former US Marine and survivalist. I’ve been looking for a partner to take on the App Trail for a long time.
Hey, North Korea is looking for people. So is Iraq, and Afghanistan, Somalia, Columbia, Russia, Africa and many more countries that will let you live without spending a dime because they have wonderful social programs, and awesome heathcare. NOT, you will be in a work camp living on piss, and worms ifyou are lucky, and maybe only get Malaria,afew times…. If you hate this country try India, especially if you are female…they have SOOOO many rights. Or try most any European countries where owning a firearm will get you thrown in jail. I can not believe I served in 26 years fighting terrorism, being sent to every shit hole you can think of to bring warmongers, Drug kingpins, human smugglers, and terrorists to either an end, or Federal Prison. So sticking your head in the sand, and hating your country is due to ignorance. Until you kill people in the name of Freedom and human rights, or accompany a Special Forces Group to take out the people around the world who are trying to kill American by TERRORISM or IMPORTING tons of Heroin, cocaine & meth, also killing tons of AMERICANS… please stay whereyou are
Hey Enter your name. What country do you live in? The U.S is getting just as bad as the others. You cant take a shit here without paying for it.
You CANNOT kill people in the name of freedom or human rights. That’s stupid for you to thinkso. I don’t need you to fight or kill ANYONE for my freedom. I’m free. Says me. Born that way. If you thought that you served all those years for me or anyone else, then YOU murdered people on behalf of evil men out of your own ignorance. You’re a sheep. Fuck america. I say no pledge. Fuck america, our past is as shady, if not more, as lots a nations. I owe no loyalty to a king, president, current ass congress, a meaningless piece of cloth, or a nation in general. My loyalty is to this planet and it’s people. Go back and be a good slave to the government. Go kill people who are also being used by a shit government. This country was started by criminals. Defectors. Traitors. Allow me to follow in the c ways of the founding fathers.
Lol you are brainwashed.
Americans are not the only people being killed by terrorists, they’re willing to destroy anyone who do not think like they do. While I appreciate your service to the country, “killing for freedom ” is not good for anyone. Fighting for justice is.
It would also seem that despite traveling and fighting in other parts of the world, for freedom, you still think like an elitist. Elitists always lose.
That coward jackass troll never served in the military, he is just a wasted hater.
Hasn’t realized fully that he’s made all the wrong choices. His hate shows that.
He’s coming around though. Probably has an addiction. One day the epiphany
will come: he’s been duped, he’s alone, and he’s always been really stupid. Sorry champ, you’re over. Thanks for your service, I am sure you did it for no one but yourself.
Columbia is beautiful and is an underground hot spot. You should take off your list!
You do realize that killing people is terrorism right?
Terrorism is defined as the use or threat of force or violence to bring about political change.
Therefore to kill terrorists is to be a terrorist. That is just what the word means.
The problem with terrorism is the use and threat of force. Force should only be used in defense of what is right. Initiation of force is always wrong.
Fighting terrorism is an oxymoron unless you are going to the real root of the issue. The real root of the issue is that humanity is doomed unless it can accept a morality of reason.
Wealth must be produced but if force is the standard as it has been and continues to become even more so production will slow to a halt and we will be back in the dark ages. As Ayn Rand put it, “when force is the standard the murderer wins over the pick pocket and then that society is doomed.”
I was in the service myself and to fight for freedom we’re all losing by enemies domestic it just isn’t worth it. In reality, you were merely an attack dog for the Elitist
Interested in living off the grid?
I,m interested.
Always wanted to do that however I hear in some areas
there are real sick predators preying on travelers.
Thumbed all over the U.S and Canada with no problem. Met great people.
why do not you wipe your ass with stone or leaves too??
Pff!! Some toilet papers aleady feel that way :/
seriously, bitcoins are such a joke…
there is no off-grid…we are all doomed to die with a government stampon our head…
At first did not like it but starting to like this bitcoin idea…but…don’t you have to be on the grid to be using a computer and using bitcoin. Perhaps barter is better.
“but…don’t you have to be on the grid to be using a computer and using bitcoin. Perhaps barter is better.”
Barter is better if people around you will barter with you, but no you do not have to be on the grid to use a computer and use bitcoin. You need power to power your computer, an antenna to grab internet, and an open internet connection you can barrow. I have not paid for internet. cable or anything like that is about 8 years, and 99 percent of the time I got internet. I’m grabing a connection right now to post this, the same as I always do.
Being Off Grid don’t mean you have to ride a horse and carry your water from the creek, it means you supply everything you need yourself. If internet goes down, it won’t matter if you have a connection or not, they will shut everyone’s connection down but theirs. So internet is not really part of being off grid, but being off grid don’t mean you can’t use the internet.
I like the idea of living off grid, but I do not believe in living off others either. I think that we should be able to live in a more sustainable way and also participate in our communities and vote in the elections to ensure that our representatives are truly doing what is in the best interest for ‘all’ their constituents as well as the earth. If we cannot feed ourselves or breathe clean air then we are dying. This is basic. Clean air, clean fresh water, living a sustainable life is basic and everyone’s right, so knowing that elected officials are doing their job and is not in some one’s back pocket to ensure only ‘their’ interests is very important. We need to behave more like a community to ensure everyone’s interests for the good of all. Fighting over religious interests and which or whose god is the right god is beyond asinine.
Is it me or does Paula’s reply sound like an after school special? That’s so beautiful Paula, the most bluntly PC “do it for the child” Hallmark jackass intellect you could muster. What a bright light! Only after about 5000 years of human history are you sleuthing out that politicians are possibly lying to us and some folks are ethnocentric. If you are an 8 yr old, I commend you. If you are older, phone 911 and report yourself as an idiot, quietly waiting for the cops to come arrest you and FEMA camp you.
Wish had funds to get aways from city bs N live off M earth. Take some $ to get away anywhere at all
Boycott, don’t pay fed taxes.
You are stupid Bitcoin is the fed you idiot I’m 14 and I know that
Remember the end the fed movement in 2012? Dems ad republicans coming together in harmony to end the most corrupt system. Then what happens immediately after such a union happens.The occupy movement. Payed for by richest families front man George Soros. We need to reject mainstream media and the libtards that shit on our constitution first. We tried to end the fed.